To think it can't be done (holiday packing)(81 Posts)
Argh. Dh has just looked at my pile(s) of packing for one week in France. He has just informed me that he has not booked us any luggage allowance (flying Ryanair).
So I have to pack for two adults, dd (3) and ds (8 months) using only two carry on cases and dd's trunkii (sp?)
Never mind that they both have emollient creams and suncreams that is easily bigger than 100ml
Is he being overly optimistic or am I being a bit high maintenance
he is being stupid, send him back to get at least 1 suitcase
The creams bit could be tricky. You can get sun cream in France, though.
I have packed for 3 weeks in California in just carry on bags before now. And one of those bags had to be food, snacks and drinks for the flight, as dd1 had multiple allergies.
It is possible, as long as you can get the emollient creqms sorted.
Or look I to booking hold luggage now?
He's being overly optimistic. Even if you decant creams/toiletries, will you have enough to last the duration of the holiday?
You can still book hold luggage at this stage, surely?
You need to book a hold bag. Actually, he needs to book one
Are the emollient creams prescription? Because they will be allowed at any size. Get your sun cream there. Is the trunki as large as a regular carry-on case? I think it is easy to do, it is only one week and children's clothes are tiny!
We have been for a week in Spain with only hand luggage before, but there were 4 of us and we were all able to take a case.
With your dc's being so young, it would be less stressful to just book a case to check in.
You are dreaming! Or rather that is a nightmare! Book a suitcase now.
Is it too late to book a hold bag (or 2?)
What you will save by taking your own sun cream (which otherwise you'll have to buy at the airport or resort and chuck on the way back due to liquid limits) will pay for the cost of a bag
I never ever take a case. Just a cabin sized one that goes as hand luggage. The trick is rolling not lying flat. Roll them quite tightly and they don't crease either! Buy sun creams when you get there
Book a case
or two. I just wouldn't do this not worth the stress.
Just book a case in the hold - much less stressful, especially trying to get through security with three cases and two kids. We went away a few weeks ago to Portugal with one DS, one hold baggage, two carry on-s and a trunki and I wish I'd just booked one extra case in the hold.
Those vacuum bags you can get are brilliant so you would be able to fit your stuff in the flight bags, the problem then though would be the weight. Get DH to book a hold bag.
You can only take 10kg as hand luggage. That isn't very much. I would book an extra bag on.
We recently had 10 days in Switzerland with the 4 of us (me, DH, DS1 3yo and DS2 20mo) and had 12kg of luggage so I'd say it was easily doable. We bought toiletries out there and took enough clothes for 5 days and washed them out as needed. None of us are very 'dressy' on holiday so we didn't take any particularly nice clothes so they might take up more room. We were travelling round by train so didn't want to carry too much stuff. If that's not a consideration though I'd see if you could book a bag just in case. I wouldn't worry if you can't though.
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why are you packing for an adult?
Fuck that shit.
Book hold luggage. It will save you spending half of the holiday hissing at dh, 'I told you we needed to pack xxx item'. And from paying £900 for sun cream and nappies in a resort.
I just went to China for three weeks with a carry-on sized backpack. And, I brought souvenirs back. However, I also spent far more than a bag in the hold of money on an expensive backpack and packing cubes. If it's a one-off, pay for an extra bag.
He still thinks this is doable. As we have a baby booked on we get can take on a 5kg nappy bag for him.
This will fix all our problems. We have access to a washing machine so his clothes will be jeans (wearing them), 3 x pairs of underpants, 3 x shirt (casual), 3 x socks and the footwear he wears onto the plane.
I know what he's like though he will want to take a ton of electrical crap too.
special I meant the packing is for two adults (me & dh) and two kids. Dh will pack his own bag though.
I'm not so much worried about the clothes it's all the extra crap you need with kids
Make your DH wear all the clothes he wants to take, with his shoes and other bits in his pockets.
The carry on bags allowed by Ryanair are a lot smaller than some of the other airlines, especially those which fly to the US.
And you have a baby with no luggage allowance that presumably needs nappies and feeding equipment etc etc etc. I bet you could fill all three 'allowed' cases with the baby stuff alone.
If you're used to shopping around here to get your suncream and other bits from cheap shops and supermarkets, the price difference in buying everything in a resort will mean that it is likely to be cheaper to pay for a case and take them with you. You can also bring things back, whereas if you don't have a hold case, you'll end up dumping half used bottles of shower gel, suncream etc, so more waste.
You need at least one hold case, or two if you like to take a choice of clothes/shoes etc and bring back souveniers or cheap alcohol.
why are you doing the packing then? If he thinks he can do it, get all the stuff out you need to take and say "there you are darling, now you get it to fit" and walk away. simple solution really. if he has never had to do it then he doesn't know how much you need so you are really doing him a favour by showing him/
Yeah I think the weight allowance might be your biggest problem. I'm doing hand luggage only for Ibiza this summer, but luckily I'm going with Easyjet who I don't think(?) have any weight restrictions on hand luggage.
I'm planning on wearing plenty of layers for the airport. And wearing a mac with lots of pockets to put stuff in. Stuff like sunscreen, shower gel, shampoo and conditioner I'll buy from Boots once I'm through security.
Why are you even discussing this? Just go online and book a bag if you think you need one (which you do). If your husband is being daft about the 20 quid or whatever then leave the bags for him to pack!
Really easily doable. Clothes weigh almost nothing and summer clothes roll up very small. Just buy suncream, nappies, shampoo etc when you get there. Far better than paying £70 or so for a hold bag. Wear your largest and heaviest clothes to fly in, and you're sorted.
(unless, of course, the cost of a hold bag is small change to you - if so, pay it. I speak as someone who could not afford to fly if I paid for baggage, so have had no option).
We are not doing a resort so will just be using the locals supermarket for essentials.
The fool refuses to be moved on this, combination of bloody mindedness, him being too right to pay of the bag and thinking I over pack everywhere we go (he may have a point on this one).
I'm going to take mummys advice put together everything we need and let him figure out how to get it on a plane. We are flying with MIL and FIL - I bet he has to ask them to pack extra items.
Each passenger over 2yrs is allowed one carry on case plus a small bag. So you can have 3 cases (or 2 cases plus the trunki) as well as 3 smaller bags eg a rucksack/nappy bag. Creams can be bought once through security in Boots so can be over 100ml. It's only before security that <100ml applies. I've not heard about babies under 2 having a 5kg allowance, must be a new rule?
It's £60 for a 15kg bag return and £80 for a 20kg bag unless you wait until the day you are flying and the prices go up quite considerably.
Personally I'd just book the bag. There are two of you in the relationship and your vote is presumably equal to his. If he is absolutely unmovable on it, then spell out the consequences - he has to buy sun lotion and emolliant when you get there, he needs to ensure that you have decent nappies.
Depends where you are, but if there isn't a big supermarket then sun cream and nappies can be expensive so the saving you are making versus the inconvenience isn't that great if you have these things at home already.
Take control of your life, book a couple of cases.
I would not risk ruining a holiday over £60, myself. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean YOU have to!
Here is an idea get him to pack
arse ca, psite will have a laundrete your husband can do a wash, take q bloody case and pay for it
Is he planning to wear the same jeans and shoes all week? No flip flops or other shoes? No shorts?
No swimwear or towels for anyone?
I suppose if you are staying with friends or relatives he can use their washing powder, fabric conditioner etc, when he washes and dries everyone's clothes exactly half way through the week, when everyone has run out? Has he accounted for the extra clothes needed by the DCs for when they spill their drinks, or throw up everywhere?
I find paying for a case annoying, but suck it up. £60 is a relatively small percentage of the cost of a week's holiday for 4, and the real cost will be less once you have bought all the toiletries, nappies etc that you need.
Right, you are equal in this relationship (I bloody hope) you want a case. He is 'unmoveable'.
So, pay for a case for yourself and let him sort out and pack for himself and the children.
You can be unmovable too!
Hmm. Bet he's thinking that he will have his carry on to put all his stuff in and then you can put yours and the dc in your case,the trunki and the nappy bag.
Make sure he realises that he gets less than half his cabin bag as you know that the stuff that the rest of you need will be taking up so much of the rest of the space... And is he going to be doing all the repeat washing that needs to be done (without washing machine?) while you are on holiday too - assuming that with two very little ones and limited space for clothes there is a good chance that you will have to do at least one wash, if not more, and there's a good chance that it won't be a particularly nice one to do by hand at least once!
Do you know the password he used to make the booking so you can amend it?
Are you going out with your PIL - could you ask them to book a case for you and just present it as a done deal?
Might also be worth double checking very carefully about the emollient creams and 'discovering' that you can only take 100ml through in carry on baggage so you need to take a hold bag just so you can take enough
Yes we do have a fairly equal relationship.
Trouble is this holiday is his mum and dad's present to him (birthday). They have booked the flights and upon his say so have booked no hold luggage.
I can't really just book a case as I don't want to look ungrateful to my (lovely) PILs.
I'm definitely favouring the option of here is the heap of crap we need darling now deal with it.
If he is 'unmovable' on the subject then he gets to pack and do laundry every other day
There's no way I would go on holiday with just a cabin bag and no hold luggage, I couldn't manage it plus I wouldn't want to!
But you can have 4 bags including the nappy bag? Either you can take emolliant creams because they sre prescription or decant -we are prescribed massive ones but I wouldn't need to take a whole one for a week. Most airports have a boots once you are through so you could buy suncream then if you don't want to buy abroad.
It really is possible and lovely not to queue to check bags in.
Unless your PIL are very unreasonable people, booking a case will save you more stress than it causes.
Maybe it can be done with only hand luggage. But just because something is possible doesn't mean it's desirable.
Yep I think he will be on laundry duty for the while of the hol.
This is probably payback for the last two (uk) trips we had where I took far too much stuff.
So you have to pack 4 ppl's stuff in three hand luggage bags?
No. You need hold luggage. Even one case should do it.
It really is something you should be able to discuss. It's not something to fall out over or be worried about being ungrateful about.
If he won't check a hold bag in then I would say:
You have to pack your stuff and the kids stuff in those 3 bags. It's do able.
I would take a travel sized bottle of sunscreen and buy the rest there. Then utterly minimise the clothing. Nappies you obviously buy there (apart from the few you need for the journey. If you arrive and regret not taking something you can buy it there.
He can sort his own stuff out. It's ridiculous to expect that you can pack man clothes in a teeny bag.
How on earth would it look ungrateful to book an extra bag? I really don't think you need to worry about that... Surely it's common sense.
I am glad I'm not in your shoes, I would be so angry I think I'd have refused to pack, or go, by now.
It's doable but you have to buy creams in Spain. A lot less stressful is just to book one hold case. Don't seen the problem. Might cost more to buy the creams there.
You have a washing machine? And you are only going for a week? What crap do small children need these days? I am really not trying to be facetious, I really can't understand just how much stuff you will actually need?
You are being ridiculous about this.
You are going on a free holiday and you are quibbling about spending £60 of your money on something you need. All because your DH is being silly and you are being a wimp.
Do you have to take the Trunki? Could you not change that for a proper carry on piece of luggage? Then at least you should have three proper sized bags.
Personally, I think it's doable. We never book hold luggage for our trips abroad any more, even with small kids. If you have laundry facilities, and the weather is nice, then there really isn't that much you need to take.
Thanks for the support paula
Mixed response from the threads. Some say its madness some say they emigrated to Chile with just hand luggage (joking).
As I said I will pile up the crap we need to take and then it's his problem. A suitcase can still be booked if needed - I'm not going to let it bother me, it's his decision so his problem.
Can't believe I have time to post this, the worlds worst sleeping toddler is still in bed. maybe she's ill
brabra maybe it's just me being crap but there's so much stuff I end up taking. Toys for the three year old and the eight month old.
Snacks for both of them, the kindle to keep her entertained on the plane.
Emollient cream, calpol, ibuprofen, sun cream, Piriton, two kinds of nappy cream. Nappies for flight, nappy bags, travel change mat, wet wipes.
Sippy cup for the baby - thankfully he's breastfed so we don't need milk and bottles.
It doesn't sound like much but we only have 35kgs of luggage allowed so it all adds up. Dh is convinced he can do it though.
But, Amateurish. Perhaps they dont want to bother doing washing on holiday, and depending when they're going, and what part of France they're going to, they might need to account for different types of weather, clothes wise.
You could just take the clothes you're standing up in and wash them all every night, but it's a bit miserable to do so.
If the OP thinks she will save a lot of stress and bother by taking one hold case, then she should do so.
Most people on this thread seem to be light packers, but I've seen people on here who insist that they need a new daytime and nighttime outfit every single day, plus sleeping/lounging clothes, several pair so f shoes, multiple ipad type devices, swimming kit, piles or different types of towels, hair dryers, straighteners, sacks of toiletries, cosmetics and medications, certain toys and blankets for the DCs, specific types of food not available abroad, and a hundred other things I haven't thought of.
The OP doesn't sound like one of these people BTW, but just because some people are happy to wear the same clothes multiple times and do washing on holiday, it doesn't mean that others who don't want to do this are being ridiculous.
I also think that the OPs DH will be wanting to put some of his stuff in other cases - she mentioned electrical items, but he doesn't appear to be taking any spare shorts/trousers or shoes, which is never sensible and I bet he hasn't thought about toiletries and medication either.
Things like paracetamol are often much more expensive abroad and only available from pharmacies, which are usually closed between Saturday lunchtime and Monday morning. I therefore think it is sensible to take things like this with you.
On the one hand, if you want a hold bag just book a hold bag and stop pussy footing around.
On the other hand, we just spent a week as a family of four in Portugal with hand luggage only. It's really not that hard for a warm weather holiday (winter is harder as need bulkier clothes). Admittedly we didn't have to take towels (do you?) but we did take two wet suits.
The max size of carry on cases is surprisingly large. Most of our cases were smaller as we only have one that size. If I were you I would buy one of maximum size to use instead of the trunki. I know it will cost nearly as much as the baggage charge, but it is a better investment.
Anything that you buy the other side of security doesn't have to be within the 100 ml rule, so we bought suncream at the airport. You can also buy it in France!
We also had a picnic for on the plane in a couple of separate plastic carrier bags and no-one said anything (Easyjet). I could probably have squished it in the cases if I really had to but preferred not.
You might find that by forcing yourself to do it want you cure yourself of the hassle of carrying too much stuff around with you in the future.
So you're going to spend your week's holiday washing and drying clothes? Fun! Not.
Just bloody book a case! How on EARTH would that look ungrateful. (Rhetorical question. It wouldn't)
Do you spend the rest of your life over thinking things that are so easy to sort out? I can't understand it.
You both sound bonkers OP!
Competitive packing now? "I only take one teeny tiny handbag with me, don't see the problem."
I think you've got the right idea, OP. Pile EVERYTHING up that you need, get him to do the same and give him a deadline for getting it packed. When we go away to Spain for 10 days (2 adults, 2 young DCs) we take 2 cabin bags and 1 large suitcase and we use pretty much everything in it, and we wash twice during the holiday.
However, I really don't see why you can't phone your PILs and say "I'm sorry to inconvenience you at this late stage, but we really do need to take a suitcase. Please will you book one and I'll give you the cash when I see you" .
You are going to France for goodness sake - all those things you list for the kids are easily available in France! I'd take enough nappies to see you through the journey and buy everything else there. How many toys do you need to take? it will be a short flight - you'll no sooner have taken off than you'll be landing again! A Kindle takes up no space. If you run out of clothes and you can't be bothered to wash you can always get a few bits fort the kids there - French supermarkets have great clothes for kids and are quite reasonable.
Do people really spend precious time on their holiday shopping for stuff they already have and washing clothes to save paying for a suitcase?
Exactly Chicken. Very odd people.
How on earth is it more cost and time effective to buy stuff when you get to your destination rather than paying to check in a case?
Exactly - unless you are very familiar with the country and the shops, you won't know what brands are available and how much they will cost.
As well as not pissing about with washing on holiday, I don't want to be trailing round for essentials on the day of arrival when i could have just thrown everything in a suitcase at home.
It is likely that you will need to go for the smallest packs sizes, because you can't bring any home, because you haven't got any luggage space and aren't allowed liquids in your hand luggage unless in tiny bottles.
So despite having an enormous value pack of your favourite nappies at home, you need to buy a small pack on holiday, which is likely to cost more per nappy. Same for creams, wipes etc.
There was a thread on here a while ago complaining about the cost of painkillers and other medications abroad. They seemed to average 5 to 10 times the cost. We buy ibuprofen for about 30 pence a pack in any supermarket. In Spain, and probably France, you can only get them from pharmacies, that have quite limited opening hours and they cost several Euros per pack.
You need one of these jackets.
We do the the same with ear plugs. I've just brought quite a few pairs from EBay for DH when he swims rather than pay the high prices in the hotel shop. I also brought a couple of lilos and beach balls for a total of �8 and will leave them there for another family to use?
The flight isn't necessarily short either Lillian. She hasn't said what her route is.
OK, London to Paris might only be less than an hour for example, but Edinburgh to Marseille is 2.5 hours, so not that short for bored 3 year olds.
And the Ryanair cabin case is significantly smaller than that allowed by other airlines, so those saying I went to the US or China with hand luggage are likely to have had a case or bag with nearly twice the volume.
This is not worth the stress. Book a hold bag and take what you need.
OP - don't forget you can take on two bags per passenger (one cabin bag, one small bag).
Adding a 20kg hold bag will cost you £80 BTW.
Amateurish not with easyJet and Ryanair you can't. They are absolutely explicit about this.
yellow - yes you can. Check the website if you don't believe me.
I'm flying with easyJet this summer. Trust me I've checked the website more than once. See here
You can with Ryanair.
You can with Ryanair. They changed their rules and I've been on 4 flights with them in the last month. In addition to your trolley you can take a small nappy/hand bag/rucksack.
1 of the cabin bags I used when I went to the US for 3 weeks with only hand luggage was a trunki. Exactly the same size as the Trnki the OP has . You can get a surprising amount in them if you pack carefully. The other was a nappy/change bag, as dd2 was only 14 months, so didn't have a seat, so not baggage allocation, just a change bag allowed.
Given the flight length (I had a 3 year old and a 1 year old) those 2 bags were: 1 for food for the flight duration (multiple allergies meant the airline couldn't cater) plus drinks as dd1 had issues at the time and so we had a medical exemption to take a specific drink through security, again for the flight. And the nappy bag also had toys and activities on the flight - even I, as a minimal packer couldn't contemplate a long haul flight without stuff for the dc to do! But these doubled up, eg dd2 had a set of bath toy dinosaurs, which she then used as pool toys on holiday.
Which left me with 2xcabon bags to pack all our clothes into. My motto is wear one, take 3 or 4 (depending on type of holiday or duration). It works, as long as you are happy to (and have the facilities to) bung a wash on every few days - hardly an arduous chore.
Btw, it wasn't my choice to use only hand baggage that time - we were flying the day after T5 opened, and couldn't risk anythign getting lost - dd1 has severe ASD so it was important to be able to pack familiar items, and it would have been a nightmare to be caught up in the chaos which happened. But, it worked. It wasn't the end of the world, and it opened my eyes to what you really need to take on holiday.
I think its fine, how much stuff do you need to take?
filling up a washing machine and turning it on takes 2 minutes, , hardly precious time!
ryan air charge a huge amount for baggage, totally unnecessary!
Agree with Girl, we have been caught out with the weight of our hand luggage even though our cases were small.
A lot depends on your destination OP. Guaranteed sun or possibility of rain and damp. Had the central heating on in the Dordogne at the end of June last yr. It was frickin freezing.
You'll manage, the kids might look a little grubby for a week so don't pack any white shorts
I'd check if PILs have hold luggage booked for themselves. If you have to wait around for theirs to arrive on the carousel anyway, you may as well book a bag or two in the hold. I like to do carry on where I can but you already have to carry a baby FGS, plus shepherd two other children and all their stuff on a plane.
I agree with the posters who mention people who would buy clothes out there and all that just to save money on a hold luggage.
A holiday for me is a luxury, something which happens every now and again, I save up money and go out there to relax, eat out, have a few drinks etc... and don't want to spend my time doing laundry just to save a few pennies. A holiday is to enjoy!
I love the competitive minimalistic packing that rears it's head on threads like this! I buy things I need for our hi day as I go along eg toiletries, no way would I do this out if our spending money, it would be just too much! Thankfully we drive to France and can take what we like but last year went to California for a fortnight, me, DH and our two boys, we all had a hold and cabin bag each, my cabin bag fitted a cardi, pair of shoes and a few books and not much else.
My DH is an over packer and i could be a writer of a magazine article called 'take these 10 holiday essential and create a look for every occasion'. But then I go and ruin it by packing about 48 pairs of knickers and 20 hair scrunchies.
Make him drive all your luggage there!
Love the competitive minimalist packing tales, it's possible but not great!
If you think the children's stuff needs a case, book one. Agree with pp saying I'd rather have some of the stuff I like to wear, with me.
We take 2 full size cases, a trunkie, my hand luggage and DH camera gear on a weeks holiday, for me DH and a 5yo
Juggling 2 kids and multiple bags in the airport will not be fun, even with inlaws to help.
I think that it's doable, but that's not the point!
If you don't want to have to wash clothes/buy stuff there, book a hold bag.
Shopping suggestion was not meant to be extravagant just that I usually like to a bit of shopping on holiday anyway and when kids were babies used to love shopping for baby clothes in France - much cheaper and more choice. I've also never had a problem with washing on holiday - as long as there is a machine where you are staying. I myself would never travel without hold luggage - but it's true it does speed things up at the airport and you never have to worry about anything going missing. And sorry OnIlkleyMoor, but a flight to France is hardly a long-haul marathon wherever you take off from.
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