AIBU to mystified about leg waxing if you have...

(123 Posts)
UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:32:23

... Dark hair. I have tried it. Within 3 weeks the new growth is very visible. Then it has to grow a certain length before being redone. It's very expensive to keep having it done professionally, but the main issue is that my legs look ok for only approx 2 weeks per professional wax.

So... I am now waxing them myself, every few days to get rid of new growth. Legs look ok from a distance but wouldn't want them inflected in bright sunlight, lol! There are still several spare hairs that are visible in certain light. I can see this level of hair growth would be fine if I was fair, but I'm not.

What's the secret? Do I persevere?

UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:33:10

' inspected' not inflected!

BigPawsBrown Sat 21-Jun-14 19:34:05

I know, it makes no sense does it? I get it done for holidays but HATE the two weeks where I have super hairy legs prior to the wax when I have to grow them.

MrsSippy Sat 21-Jun-14 19:34:51

Epilate! I have one of those 'grain of sand' thingies and there is never any sign of growth - oh and it stops being blood-curdlingly painful after a short while...

thenightsky Sat 21-Jun-14 19:35:41

Epilate. It pulls out much shorter hairs by the root, same as waxing. I do armpits too, although that did take some building up to and hurt like a bastard the first half dozen times.

Now I just whisk the epilator over pits and legs once a week in summer and once a fortnight in winter.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDo Sat 21-Jun-14 19:35:57

I epilate my legs - same effect as waxing but you can do it more often and after the on-off cost it's free

I've never understood this either. I do epilate but have to go over them very quickly really regularly. It means they look hairless but are never quite perfect. Before an event I have to let them grow a bit.

I can shave my legs smooth, get goose pimples and then am stubbly again. I think I'm just a wookie

I have to go over mine daily or every other day unlike thenightsky

UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:38:59

Ok thanks. Any suggestions for brand of epilator? And can the hair be short?

UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:40:07

Ha! In my OP I meant 'sparse' hairs not spare hairs smile

thenightsky Sat 21-Jun-14 19:40:57

Jayne, I find if I do them more often than once a week, the grow unevenly and I end up doing them daily, like you. In the winter, I let them all get to an equal sort of length over the course of 2 - 3 weeks, then whisk the lot off. That way they all seem to end up at the same stage of growth at the same time.

I have a braun silk epil. They do seem to be the ones people consistently praise

treaclesoda Sat 21-Jun-14 19:41:46

MrsSippy what's this grain of sand thing of which you speak? Do I need to know about this?

I like epilating but (and I suspect people are going to hate me for this) I have very little leg hair and what I do have is sort of fair, so I can go for weeks without actually looking particularly hairy.

thenightsky Sat 21-Jun-14 19:42:49

Mine is a Braun silk epil too.

GingerRodgers Sat 21-Jun-14 19:43:27

I've been waxing/epilating for about 12 years now and they're at the point where they could grow long(ish) am not be too noticeable.
I am dark haired and like a wooly mammoth quite hairy.
I also do arms, pits and tash. They're all, finally, very fair and much less noticeable.
I do appreciate this is quite a length of time to 'persevere' grin

UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:43:35

I'm absorbing all this info and also intrigued about the sand thing.

UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:44:45

Ginger, tash is a brave thing to try! I'd be terrified it'd grow back thicker or that I'd get a rash.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDo Sat 21-Jun-14 19:45:47

Another one for the Silk Epil
Also, I've found that over the years of epilating, there are patches on my legs where the hair no longer grows

Frontier Sat 21-Jun-14 19:46:10

I just wax/epilate the top half to keep them under control rather than perfect and shave the lower legs which don't get sore/rashy like the tops do and takes only a few seconds in the shower each morning.

MrsSippy Sat 21-Jun-14 19:46:33

Lol Treacle, it's a Braun silk-epil which was advertised as getting out hairs as small as a grain of sand (0.5mm I believe).

revealall Sat 21-Jun-14 19:47:43

I feel your pain. Epilation is sort of the best but it really doesn't feel as good as a shaved leg at any point. You have to do it a lot if you are prone to hair and I found it hard to get rid of hairy knees and ankles.
Waxing is pointless unless you can do it loads at home. I use a microwave one that you peel off without strips for face and bikini line. The rest is shaved.
Interestingly the very hairy Brazilians bleach the tops off their legs to the knee and just get rid of the rest. I think for those of us with thick hair this is a good option. We'll never look evenly smooth , so natural but not unkempt is a good compromise.

MrsSippy Sat 21-Jun-14 19:47:57

Ginger, the tash really hurts but I do whizz of the occasional chin pube with mine...

thenightsky Sat 21-Jun-14 19:48:20

Yes Ipsy... I've found that after a couple of years of epilating I have patches where the hair no longer grows (both legs and pits)

UnhappyFeet Sat 21-Jun-14 19:56:20

Lol, I just posted my next hairy legs post on a book club thread by mistake. Tee hee.

I have no visible hair on my thighs but they are a bit pimply ( I have a bit of Keratosis pilaris-sp?). But my calves compete with DH if left wild. I think epilator may be the thing to try. Thanks.

treaclesoda Sat 21-Jun-14 19:57:18

MrsSippy thanks, I might investigate that. My epilator is really old and I think there are much better ones available now.

KnackeredMuchly Sat 21-Jun-14 19:59:01

Yy try an epilator

Kundry Sat 21-Jun-14 20:00:07

If you can possibly get the money together, laser them. You have the right hair (dark) and skin (pale) tones to get the best result. Expensive but worth it - maybe add up how much you spend on waxing?

BravePotato Sat 21-Jun-14 20:01:19

Braun silk epil.

The trick is to do it, then again 2 days layer, then again two days later..., then you only have to for every 2-3 weeks

After 20 years my leg hairs have become paler and thinner from this "abuse".

It rips them out root and all which I love.

JamJimJam Sat 21-Jun-14 20:01:36

The more you wax, the less the hair grows.

Epilators give me horrendous ingrown hairs.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sat 21-Jun-14 20:05:16

treaclesoda... I misunderstood MrsSippy's post to mean one of these:

I've tried them and they're really good - you need to have short hair really so perfect for regrowth. Doesn't hurt at all, it's a bit like 'sandpapering'. Silky smooth legs. I haven't tried it anywhere else and still go for waxing but I might dig mine out again in between.

Meglet Sat 21-Jun-14 20:07:13

I've been waxing for 25 years. The re-growth is still visible within 10 days, and I have to shave mid-holiday. I don't even own a skirt because I'd never wear it.

The new pre-waxed strips are good though. I'm trying them out this summer and waxing every 2/3 days. I'm hoping to win the battle for a few weeks.

SpandexBallet Sat 21-Jun-14 20:09:52

I epilate my legs although have very fine sparse hairs on my legs so I quite often go out bare legged after not doing it.

Pits and downstairs seem terrifying to epilate. The hair situation in these two places is completely different. Don't think my legs belong to the rest of my body!!

BravePotato Sat 21-Jun-14 20:12:37

Ingrown hairs can be avoided by using a good scrub twice a week.

Body shop cocoa butter is the best IMO, really abrasive yet mild

ZenNudist Sat 21-Jun-14 20:22:44

I converted to epilating 2 years ago after years of waxing. I am never as smooth as after a wax but I am skirt ready all summer long. I too have fair skin / hair and patches without hair so after a weekly longer effort I can just whizz epilator on knees and calves if I'm a bit stubbly.

I use a Braun silk epil which cost c£80 and paid for itself within 2 months.

I make do with wax strip bikini wax or the odd salon one for high days and holidays. Shave pits as never been able to face leaving them. Wouldn't go back to waxing.

I find a glass or two of wine makes doing the hairy backs of my legs easier! blush

GingerRodgers Sat 21-Jun-14 20:23:58

Waxing the tash makes it red and spotty and I try to keep it at bay with tweezers but sometimes there's too much blush so I epilate. Right under the nose is a bitch but leaves it smooth for ages.

JapaneseMargaret Sat 21-Jun-14 20:32:52

I don't get waxing full stop.

It hurts
It's a messy faff to do it yourself
It's expensive to have it done for you
It's time-consuming
It hurts
You get regrowth
It hurts
Men don't have to do it.

It takes 5 secs to whizz a razor over them in the shower. Shaving doesn't hurt in the least.

I don't understand what I'm missing. There doesn't seem to be single benefit to waxing, that isn't far out-stripped by the convenience, and painlessness of shaving.

And who cares if the regrowth arguably comes back softer? The idea is to remove the hair, altogether, no...?! It's not as if it's OK for women to go round with hair on their leg, if it's slightly softer. It's only OK if there's no hair there at all.


Fluffyears Sat 21-Jun-14 20:38:42

Use an exfoliating scrubby mitt in the shower to stop in growing hairs. I epilate then a day later shave my legs and they stay hair free for a week at a time and I am super hairy.

HippyPottyMouth Sat 21-Jun-14 20:39:26

Waxing doesn't suit me for the reasons you describe. I tried an epilator for about 3 months, thinking one day I'd have nice smooth legs and not have to do it every day, but that day never came. I was fit to be seen from a distance, but my legs still felt scratchy. DH never said anything at the time but was pleased when I went back to shaving.

The epilator was the best thing ever for pits though, they get sore in the summer when I have to shave every day. I'd get away with a good few days with the epilator, although it hurt like buggery, especially when I was due on.

BrianButterfield Sat 21-Jun-14 20:42:59

I love epilated pits. No dark shadow and it takes seconds! Legs, eh, they're ok but it's free and easy, so I keep on.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sat 21-Jun-14 20:59:04

JapaneseMargaret... There are some women who don't remove their hair at all, wax or shave or any other method. It's perfectly fine for women to have - and display - hair on their bodies if they want to do that. Each to their own method. I wouldn't shave, I don't like the regrowth. I don't care whether men wax/shave/whatever.

BoyFromTheBigBadCity Sun 22-Jun-14 00:20:30

I am watching this thread with interest - I have black body hair and milk bottle skin, and am...hairy. I shave the pits every day, and legs every day summer, every 2 or 3 days in winter, but certainly always have dark shadown in pits. I'm too scared to do my face even though I hate the shadow. How painful is an epilator? Has anyone tried the Philips lumea or an equivalent?

Incidentally, I don't do this for men. I also don't understand any theoretical difference between shaving and waxing - one may be uncomfortable, but the outcome is inconvenience to pacify a man, if that's how you see it. I, personally,hate my hairy legs, especially where my sport has caused patches where hair won't grow. Nothing to do with any man.

JapaneseMargaret Sun 22-Jun-14 04:41:44

Lying, when I say it's not OK, I don't mean that I don't think it's OK, I mean society doesn't. I totally agree that in theory it's utterly fine for women to go around with all the hair God gave them on their body.

In practice it's not though, really, is it?

I don't know a single women who doesn't give a shit, and goes around with hairy legs and underarms in summer (I mean, we all do it in winter when our legs and arms are hidden).

I would love to think that it was OK for women to choose to keep their body hair, but in reality the pressure from society is such that I, for one, don't know a single such woman.

ThisIsmySecretPassword Sun 22-Jun-14 04:58:13

I bought a philips lumea IPL hair removal gun a few months ago and I think it's amazing. It uses light pulses. It's not advertised as being permanent but it's worked brilliantly on me. My legs are silky smooth. There are loads of reviews on amazon.

BravePotato Sun 22-Jun-14 07:30:12

Margaret, the softer regrowth is why I only epilate once every two weeks.

A few short soft hairs I can live with.

Frogisatwat Sun 22-Jun-14 07:36:34

If I shave my legs I get stubble within 12 hours.!! 12 hours!

NorksAreMesssy Sun 22-Jun-14 07:46:20

Another vote for the silk epil. Brilliant for legs and pits. The first time did hurt a bit, but every other time is just fine, no more pain than shaving. You do need to exfoliate properly first, or you will get ingrown hairs.

I swear by the little twirly spring thingy for facial hair. It costs 99p and whisks the little buggers out easily and is strangely satisfying. The epil actor is just too rough for my face and the only time I tried I was covered in spots for a week sad

Objection Sun 22-Jun-14 07:46:51

there are about 50 billion types of braun silk epilator on amazon - help!
(hairy and dark haired here. Also massive wimp, never waxed - epilator may be a big first step)

BoyFromTheBigBadCity Sun 22-Jun-14 07:48:46

Frog - you get 12 hours before stubble? I am jealous!

roses2 Sun 22-Jun-14 07:50:42

I had laser done about five times, didn't work for me.

I use wax now. I've heard about the Philips lumea, it's got very good reviews. I'm thinking of buying it but the home technology is quite new plus you can't use it when pregnant and we're planning a baby next year.

What i read is there is no such thing as permanent hair removal, only regular techniques which keep the growth at bay.

Frogisatwat Sun 22-Jun-14 07:53:40

Is 12 hours long? I epilate, as ,if I shave daily I get sore. We must have legs that produce haur like those play dough barber shops

Frogisatwat Sun 22-Jun-14 07:53:53


TheMasterNotMargarita Sun 22-Jun-14 07:56:51

Thanks for that link Lying, have just ordered myself some.
I used to use those years ago and they are fab, haven't seen them in ages.
I just started waxing as I'm fed up of shaving rash -first bikini wax yesterday wasn't as bad as I thought it would be!

NorksAreMesssy Sun 22-Jun-14 08:07:07

I lied! I haven't got a silk epil at all!

I have "Philips HP6577/00 SatinPerfect Wet and Dry Epilator" perfectly brilliant and on Amazon at the moment very heavily discounted.

NorksAreMesssy Sun 22-Jun-14 08:09:18

And the twirly hair remover face thingy is called an 'epistick'

YellowStripe Sun 22-Jun-14 08:36:12

I can't 'work' my epi stick! Tried it on my eyebrows last night and managed to get nothing out except some fringe hairs!

doziedoozie Sun 22-Jun-14 08:47:27
DrSeuss Sun 22-Jun-14 08:52:06

Immac- available from Poundland.

PixieofCatan Sun 22-Jun-14 09:03:43

You have to be persistant. I have very dark, thick hair. I waxed my legs for a couple of years and by the end of that time the hair was much much thinner and I had some bald patches. This was years ago though and since then I've shaved when I've had to. A lot of the hair comes back darker again now, but it's much less evenly spread and less dense. This winter I'll be going back to waxing I think.

I also only ever did it at home with strips. I tried a tub of wax once and made such a mess that it was just getting silly! I've only once had it done professionally and she was a crap beautician, did my make up too and I looked like a clown. I'd also "spot wax" if patches came up before others when I did wax.

It took about six months of waxing as soon as they wewre long enough for mine to settle down when I started waxing, I started late one summer and did it through the winter.

I have a laser gun thing that I need to try use this summer when I shave as well, see if that helps!

japanese For some of us though, shaving means that the hair grows back to stubble within hours. Through my teens I wasn't allowed to wax, only shave, I'd shave in the morning before school, and by my afternoon PE lesson I'd have stubble.

I also can't shave every day, my legs get really dry and sore.

TestingTestingWonTooFree Sun 22-Jun-14 09:13:02

I am pale with dark hair

IPL - have boots machine, didn't really seem to work

Epilating - find it very painful. Will use as a top up between waxing

Wax strips - useful, but not great for large areas. Often get them cheap in B&M/Home bargains places.

Warm wax - my method of choice. Only use immac or the boots wax though. Others I've tried wouldn't wash off properly and made an awful mess.

Shaving - it's ok, but doesn't really agree with my skin.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 22-Jun-14 09:27:05

I'm with Japanese Margaret on this one, if there was a better way to remove hair than shaving then men would be doing it!

Bunbaker Sun 22-Jun-14 09:36:40

I have hairy legs if I don't keep on top of it, and have found waxing only keeps them hair free for a few days longer than shaving. I have tried epilating, but had awful ingrowing hairs no matter how much exfoliating I did. So I have just gone back to shaving. It is quick, cheap and easy.

neverputasockinatoaster Sun 22-Jun-14 09:42:32

I have an epilator which is fab for lower legs and armpits.
Shaving gives me a horrible rash and lasts about ten minutes!
My upper legs and bikini line are a nightmare and I pretend they don't exist.
Mostly I wear trousers and skirts to my ankles so I'm a bit slack on the hair removing front!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 22-Jun-14 10:29:57

Japanese... That's true, sad but true. I hadn't really thought that much about it because I could go out unwaxed and probably nobody would notice. I'm blonde, pale and not very hairy at all. If I were dark-haired I might not feel so brave. It's insidious, isn't it, this pressure that women are under because it is only women that are under it. sad

I have been using an episick on my face for years. I love mine. Used to wax and all sorts. Only use the stick now. Have even mastered doing eyebrows with mine.

Tanacot Sun 22-Jun-14 10:59:17

Does no one like Veet/Immac? I do my legs every 4-6 weeks with cream and that's it. (Use a razor for my armpits every day)

Bunbaker Sun 22-Jun-14 11:05:26

Chemical hair removers last no longer than shaving on me and is therefore far more expensive and full of chemicals that get into the water supply.

MrsGoslingWannabe Sun 22-Jun-14 11:41:18

I'm lucky if I get a whole week of hair-free legs after waxing. It drives me mad! I have to tell DD that if she wants to go swimming it must be this week or wait another 4! I was thinking I'd try plucking any extra that appear but I guess this wouldn't work with the cycles. Grr, hair growth cycles, menstrual cycles - they can f* off!

Frogisatwat Sun 22-Jun-14 11:48:31

I like how my legs feel when smooth. Its not so much societal pressure in my case lets not have a fanjo debate though

fatlazymummy Sun 22-Jun-14 12:10:01

I go swimming all year round, so never let my hairs grow.
I use a lady shaver - it takes a couple of minutes and it's done for a few days. I have dark hair, though probably not as thick and dark as some people. Thankfully I've never had ingrowing hairs, which I can see would be a problem.
I use hair removing cream for my daughter (she has special needs so won't tolerate a razor).
I've never even been tempted to try waxing, I just don't get the point.

Tanacot Sun 22-Jun-14 12:47:35

Oh that makes sense, if it doesn't last for other people. I thought it was a function of the cream!

Tanacot Sun 22-Jun-14 12:54:59

Oh for me it's totally societal. I could not give two shits for myself, but I run/bike/swim every day and feel ashamed and self conscious when I have visible hair - this goes for bikini line (oh for a sportswear boyshort tankini that fits), armpits and legs. I don't judge other people - rather admire them - when they defy the convention, but after some thought and trying to go natural, I found that I curbed my activities and dress when I was hairy, and felt awkward all the time, so I surrendered this battle.

I don't know why this one defeats me - I don't habitually wear makeup and I'm happy to go around in flat shoes with cropped hair --a shaved head even, though I observe I was a lot happier to do that when I was younger and better looking. But the hair thing, I can't beat it. It's in deep.

ThisIsmySecretPassword Sun 22-Jun-14 14:46:07

When I was younger I used wide packing tape. You smooth your hair down your leg and press a long strip of tape on. Then you roll the tape up your leg so that it rolls itself into little tubes. The hairs get rolled into the tape. It worked really well for me. confused

However, as I mentioned earlier, the philips lumea thing from Boots is working brilliantly for me. My skin is pale and my hair is dark. It requires upkeep but there are no in growing hairs. It was v expensive but I am a total fan. My DDs are both dark haired too so I thought between the three if us it would be worth it.

MrsDavidBowie Sun 22-Jun-14 14:50:13

Lasering..gone forever.

emms1981 Sun 22-Jun-14 19:29:31

my legs are never smooth sad if i wax or shave i always have little spots on my legs anyone have any idea why that is?

thenightsky Sun 22-Jun-14 19:54:50

I think it's normal to have little dots on your legs if you shave or yank hairs out by waxing, epilating etc. It's just that we are led to believe we should have smooth, even coloured skin due to seeing endless airbrushed photos in magazines etc.

Meglet Sun 22-Jun-14 21:36:40

emms I think the black dots are the next baby hair starting to grow. I always get them.

It's funny how my skin can tolerate regular waxing but shaving makes it feel like acid has been poured over it.

JapaneseMargaret Tue 24-Jun-14 08:29:16

It is insidious, Lying.

It's absolutely not OK for a woman to go around with hairy legs and underarms. She would be considered deviant, and outside the norm. Even laughed at, and made fun of. Rejected by 'right-thinking' people.

It's not something I'd really thought properly about until recent years.

I was in hospital as a day patient last week. It's winter here. My legs haven't see a razor in weeks days. I unexpectedly had to have an ECG and the nurse pushed up my jeans to put the stickers on my legs. In the midst of a hypoglycaemic episode and mini-seizure, I was overcome with complete embarrassment and shame, because my legs were hairy. I felt mortified, even though it was a woman nurse...

It's such a ridiculous over-reaction, but I've been conditioned over the past 30 years (I'm 40 and started shaving my legs at 11) to feel that hair on a woman is disgusting.

Waxing - and actual pain caused by hair removal - is just one step too far for me, and one that I am not prepared to take, in my small, pathetic rage against the machine. smile

SybilRamkin Tue 24-Jun-14 08:55:25

Laser is your friend here. It's not dead expensive if you get a Groupon or similar, and works really well on dark hair.

catsmother Tue 24-Jun-14 09:11:29

This is such an interesting thread - and strangely reassuring to read I'm not the only pale skinned (and redheaded!) woman who has body hair like a chimp. Agree with all of you who've described how society's expectations regarding natural female body hair get into you very deep indeed .... I've very occasionally seen women who've flouted this and have admired their bravery, but have also been aware (e.g. at a pool) of others' glances and comments towards them and sorry to say they've all been of the "disgusted" and "revolted" category. I admit I'm a coward, and have very low self confidence anyway and I just can't bring myself to expose myself to that sort of judgement ... even though it makes me angry that (most of) society has this attitude - which is ridiculous when you think about it as someone else's body hair has no effect on anyone else at all.

Anyway, as I doubt things will change in my lifetime, I too suffer the miseries of hair removal if I want to go swimming, wear a skirt or a pair of shorts. Like so many others, I get stubble very quickly and it bemuses me to see a number of posters state that shaving in the shower takes "seconds". Not if you're as blind as a bat without your glasses it doesn't - unless you like the cut to smithereens look! I have to shave using the sink with my legs up on the bath or I simply can't see what I'm doing - and it probably takes me 5 mins to do both. Whenever I've tried to "whizz" a razor over it's simply not effective .... I have to do it slowly but reasonably firmly to ensure as close a finish as possible with no cuts.

I personally have never found a hair removal cream that a) actually dissolves the hair properly and b) doesn't leave me with a rash. The adverts which show silky smooth legs that you can slide a chiffon scarf down bloody well don't apply to me. Instead the hair sort of dissolves and then breaks off leaving stubble .... I've tried leaving it on a little longer than recommended but then you run the risk of a more painful rash. Plus it's hideously expensive IMO, especially when I'd need to do it several times a week.

I do like the effect of waxing but as others have said I'm lucky to get 2 weeks out of it and then there's the regrowth period where you're condemned to trousers. I also find it very difficult to wax the backs of my legs and thighs (which need it) - it's very hit and miss and potentially very messy if you use warm wax. Neither do I think the current crop of prewaxed strips are that good - the ones you have to warm by rubbing together in your hands first. Does anyone else find that half the time you don't get an even distribution of wax on either side ? It's a pain in the bum and I actually prefer the more old fashioned wax strips which came on a backing strip - but can't seem to find them now.

I am very interested to see so many recommendations for epilators though and will seriously consider that. My only experience of them is an ancient old model I must have bought around 17 years ago - it was so excrutiating though that I only used it an handful of times and found that although it did a very good job of pulling my hair and bringing tears to my eyes it wasn't so good at actually getting the damn stuff out ... unless I have particularly tough hair (and it often feels like I do). Hopefully more up to date versions have come on a bit .....

I would love to be lasered - it's one of the first things I'll do if and when I win the lottery but sadly, despite the long term advantages I can't afford treatment now, no way.

Just get so fed up with it all - it really has been the bane of my life since the age of 11 or so and every method of removal is such a faff and time consuming (which is why I will look into getting a new epilator). I hate hate hate how it restricts being spontaneous when the weather's unexpectedly hot and how things which many take for granted like going swimming with your kids turns into a military operation for people like me before we feel "acceptable" enough to show ourselves in a swimsuit. Although my head knows society's attitude to female body hair is wrong and stupid, my heart has still absorbed the message that in my natural state I look - and therefore feel - "disgusting". I hate to admit it because no doubt the more confident among you will think I'm ridiculous but even when I'm fully covered there's a bit of me which feels horrid because I know what's underneath. It really does get under your skin. The agonies of starting a new relationship and having to effectively disguise what you look like - at least until you know you can trust the man concerned not to be put off - is another aspect to being "hairy" which causes a lot of stress.

catsmother Tue 24-Jun-14 09:12:15

(sorry, didn't mean to go off on quite such a rant ...)

JapaneseMargaret Tue 24-Jun-14 09:32:43

It IS a complete faff. But nobody really admits its it.

If humankind were suddenly, en mass, hatched out of eggs today, and one half were told they were to remove as much body hair as possible, on a daily basis, and in incredibly painful ways - and the other half were told they didn't have to worry about it ... well, it just wouldn't be accepted. And it wouldn't make sense.

We don't half make up some daft rules for ourselves, we humans.

catsmother Tue 24-Jun-14 09:42:17

I guess it's about defining "femininity". And apparently you can't be feminine if you have noticeable body hair. Though that's probably a very simplistic explanation!

doziedoozie Tue 24-Jun-14 17:44:07

I was going to say that even in the 15th century Botticelli's paintings showed hairless ladies. But in fact he also showed hairless men, no hairy chests or knuckles, maybe we were more hair free then??

fatlazymummy Tue 24-Jun-14 18:05:03

I don't like body hair on men or women really. I like the look of smooth skin.
I'm probably quite lucky but I don't find removing it a faff at all. It takes a few minutes with a ladyshaver every few days. It's just something I do, like using body lotion or looking after my feet.

JapaneseMargaret Tue 24-Jun-14 19:40:38

dozie I imagine that was probably artistic licence - it was probably way to much faff to paint individual hairs on, and added nothing to the painting, anyway!

JapaneseMargaret Tue 24-Jun-14 19:45:57

mummy - it's not a particular faff to me either (although doing something/anything, as opposed to doing nothing is a relative faff), but only because I'm not particulalry hirsute, I'm light-haired, and I refuse to wax or remove my hair in any way which is remotely a faff.

But that doesn't stop the fact that removing our body hair isn't really a choice - it's something women are obliged to do, whether we like it or not.

It's fortunate for you that that you like it, but it's also interesting to question these things too sometimes, because lots of people don't, and yet also don't feel they can stop.

fatlazymummy Tue 24-Jun-14 19:53:55

Japanesemargaret, my Mum never shaved her legs, and they were quite hairy. I know another woman who doesn't shave her armpits. I don't think women are obligated to remove body hair at all. It's a fashion, and if enough people don't like it then it will change.
I think people on this forum over think this issue ,tbh. I've never met anyone in real life who finds it a problem either way.

JapaneseMargaret Tue 24-Jun-14 20:10:16

I don't think of it as over-thinking; rather just thinking, full stop. It's OK to do that.

I don't know of a single woman who doesn't remove basic body hair. The idea that it's a fashion is, um, questionable at best.

This is a discussion forum, where anything and everything gets discussed, anonymously, with strangers. I don't tend to discuss this with people in real life, either.

MrsGoslingWannabe Thu 03-Jul-14 11:46:52

Who mentioned Surgiwax? Does it need heating? In other words is it for salon use only really?

IceBeing Thu 03-Jul-14 12:19:40

japanesemargaret name is Icebeing and I do not shave my legs or armpits.

So now you know one person!

I have had a couple of occasions of people making comments at the swimming pool...and one guy that was staring at me in my shorts (after I had been playing badminton) to whom I eventually I said "It is normal adult female body hair, I don't support the prepubescent hairless look as I believe it encourages peadophillia".

I don't actually think that but it certainly gave the staring guy something to ponder....

MrsGoslingWannabe Tue 08-Jul-14 23:15:40

Bought a Philips Epilator (HP6577), charged it but it won't turn on.

unicornpoop Wed 09-Jul-14 08:26:09

I swear by my babyliss simply smooth. Its basically an orbital sander for your legs. Its like the hair remover mitts but with less effort. I have keratosis pilaris on my legs and it even gets rid of the visible effects of that. I do my legs once a week with it and they are soooo smooth afterwards and it lasts quite a while.

Chunderella Wed 09-Jul-14 08:40:41

BoyFromTheBigBadCity would your regrowth be less if you shaved less in winter?

wineoclocktimeye Wed 09-Jul-14 08:54:45

The only positive side effect of chemotherapy is that all your body hair goes, so super smooth all over smile

It's growing back now, but it's really soft and fine like baby hair and I'm sorely tempted to just leave it on my legs, I can hear my mums voice many many years ago warning me that once you start to remove it, you have to keep doing it as it grows back thicker.

Maybe I can have legs of a 13 year old shame about the bum of a 50 year old grin

Theodorous Wed 09-Jul-14 10:14:16

I had IPL laser on bikini and lower legs 5 years ago and nothing has grown back at all. It was expensive and painful but worth it.

Theodorous Wed 09-Jul-14 10:18:13

I am studiously ignoring the attempts of some people to turn this as all other shaving threads into a bun fight. I swear some people pop up EVERY single time the words wax or shave crop up and say the exact same things. In a minute the most prolific poster in this subject ever will wheel out her "if your husband likes shaved bikini lines he is obviously deviant" and other sick shit.

Oops I didn't quite manage to ignore it but have encountered some very nasty people in these circumstances.

Theodorous Wed 09-Jul-14 10:19:58

Oh, I see it has already been wheeled out. What a surprise. Accusing people of paedophilia is some serious sick shit.

MrsKoala Wed 09-Jul-14 10:38:20

JamJimJams - Hair doesn't always grow back less with waxing. I have been having my legs,naval,bikini,undercarriage,arse and underarms waxed for 20 years and i'm way more hairy now. Sometimes your body actually fights back and grows thicker or at least the waxing has no detrimental effect on the follicles at all.

Japanese - Shaving does not take me seconds in the shower and isn't pain free. I have very long big legs and the hair grows in lots of different directions, the angles i would need to shave at is difficult, i have sensitive skin and shaving leaves a bleeding rash on most areas. I have very dark hair and fair skin, and even when i am clean shaved you can see the dark follicles and i have stubble/5 o'clock shadow by the end of the day (especially the underarms). However, i am not bothered about going out with hairy armpits, so often don't do them - much to my parents disgust!

OP - i find epilating excrutiating. I know loads who do it but personally i can't stand the pain or the time it takes. I just don't have the time to sit there every couple of days epilating. I have waxing usually (fortunately not when pregnant as all hair stops growing for me during this time - hurrah!) and yes the 2 weeks wait is annoying - but i haven't found any alternative which works for me. In the summer i shave to just above the knee and wax the rest. I splash out on really expensive razors and creams to minimise the shaving soreness.

I have had laser on my arms and i would defo recommend it. I will probably go for the full legs eventually. It is quite painful and expensive, but very worth it.

MrsGoslingWannabe Wed 09-Jul-14 11:30:16

Hmm, looks like like I brought the thread back to life but didn't get an answer about how to work my epilator!

FFSFFS Wed 09-Jul-14 12:43:31

IPL hair removal thingies are not lasers. IPL stands for intensive light pulse. WIKI info HERE
I have a lumea philips from Boots. (I'm the same poster as down the thread). The longer I use it the more I love it.

Theodorous Thu 10-Jul-14 06:21:21

Whatever it is it works. I didn't check the somantics of the thing, it was too painful for me to think about it. I took painkillers before going and used 10% lidocaine spray half an hour before which really helped.

This is why I went back to shaving.

Morloth Thu 10-Jul-14 07:33:40

I don't remove any body hair, I am very furry and I wear skirts if I feel like it.

I like my fur, it is nice.

Nothing bad has ever happened to me because I have body hair, well not that I noticed anyway.

catsmother Thu 10-Jul-14 09:08:10

On the back of this thread I bought myself an epilator - a Philips Satinelle - which was half price in Boots at the time (about £35 IIRC) and am just reporting back in case anyone else in a similar position was also thinking of getting one. In my last reply I said that my previous attempt at epilation was excrutiating - that model had these spring like coils, and it was awful. This Satinelle though - have to say so far I'm very impressed .... its tweezer-roller thing really does seem to get rid of even very short stubble (think 2-3 days after shaving) and there's surprisingly minimal pain. I've done my whole legs, including bikini line and have been "going over" them every 2-3 days since - to catch hair at different stages of regrowth and also because I missed some first time round (doing it in good light obviously helps and if you have long hair, make sure to tie it back). Who knows if that'll be a pattern I have to consistently follow, but in comparison to shaving which I really needed to do daily all over my legs, epilation, though time consuming does appear so far to be giving me better results as you don't get the stubble (or the remaining "dark pores") nor do you get the cuts or soreness I always used to. I'm finding it very satisfying to see all these little hairs pulled out by their roots and whilst you can argue that an all over leg wax is probably quicker, you'd have to leave new growth for longer before dealing with it, whereas the epilator grabs really short hair. Another plus for me is that the embarrassment factor is gone - and of course in the long term it'll be cheaper.

Haven't plucked up the courage yet to try it on my underarms ..... but can really recommend it to anyone dithering about trying one.

MrsKoala Thu 10-Jul-14 10:01:05

That's interesting Cats - it's been years since i tried one. Honestly, how painful is it? Can you compare it to something? Ie threading? (I find eyebrow threading excruciating, but as it's such a small area and only about once every 6wks i bear it - but i couldn't have it done all over my legs.)

catsmother Thu 10-Jul-14 10:35:48

I've never tried threading (though am starting to seriously consider it for so-called "peach fuzz" on my face sad) but honestly, I don't think my experience of epilation is really that painful. There are a few areas - like the back of your knees - or top of inner thighs near bikini line - which are more sensitive but it really is a momentary "oooh" .... maybe because the surface area of the roller isn't that large so you're not actually pulling out that many hairs at a time ? That'd seem to be borne out by the fact the first time I did it hurt the most ... since then when I'm just dealing with any stragglers, it definitely hurts less, and when you whizz over to pick up 3 or 4 short hairs it really doesn't hurt at all (IME anyway). Waxing has definitely hurt more for me - a lot more. Ditto ripping off a well stuck plaster. Am so pleased with it - is well within the realms of bearable.

VioletHare Thu 10-Jul-14 10:39:08

I just don't see the point in waxing my legs tbh. For the reasons you say, my regrowth is so obvious, then you have to wait to have it done again.

The only thing I regularly get waxed is my top lip grin . I've had it done once a month for the past 6 months and I think the hair follicles are already nearly gone because it's barely anything now. I can't imagine i'll have to do it much longer at all.

MrsKoala Thu 10-Jul-14 10:40:34

I don't find waxing painful at all. I think the hot feeling of the wax and the quickness takes any pain away. but i could punch the therapist when she pulls out any stragglers with the tweezers. So I'm not sure if epilating is for me. hmmm. Also (hope you don't mind the questions, please don't answer if you don't want to) how long does it take? (are you very hairy and tall?)

MrsGoslingWannabe Thu 10-Jul-14 10:44:35

What model is that catsmother? I've got the HP6577/00 but not sure if its suitable for bikini line and underarm.

MrsGoslingWannabe Thu 10-Jul-14 11:06:11

grin at "are you very hairy and tall?" MrsK! That's me you speak of! To answer your question I found epilating my legs very quick but then the hair was long blush I'm a bit scared of doing my underarms and bikini. Top of thigh was fine but then I accidentally let it grab at the longer hairs further in and scared myself!

alemci Thu 10-Jul-14 11:16:27

I find the whole thing a nightmare. I am currently 'growing' my hairs ready for an annual leg wax to go on holiday. I have been epilating on and off but I tend to leave the tops of my legs as they are not exposed.

I can't wear trousers for 6 weeks' so inevitably I will have hair growth on holiday as the hairs were under the skin.

Has anyone tried that No no thing you see advertised on channel 5 which is meant to be wonderful?

catsmother Thu 10-Jul-14 11:29:32

It's the HP6423 MrsGosling .... well, I did my bikini line with it. It also comes with a detachable trimming bit I think you're supposed to prepare your errr "longer" hair with before finishing it off by epilating but I didn't bother.

MrsKoala ... I'm not that tall, about 5'6", but am pretty hairy even though I'm redheaded and pale skinned. My body hair looks as though it belongs to someone else hmm and unfortunately covers my entire leg (I do have two legs but YKWIM). I certainly could never wear shorts, let alone go swimming without a lot of groundwork beforehand.

First time it probably took me an hour or more to do both legs - not helped by the fact I've got bad eyesight and kept taking my glasses on and off as I contorted myself into different positions trying to see what needed to be done. But since then, I've probably spent 10 to 15 mins doing a catch up. I can see now however that there are quite a few hairs lurking just beneath the surface on my upper leg which haven't yet erupted - which kind of fits with the notion that my hair cycle seems to be about 2-3 weeks after a wax (and not the 6 weeks of hair free skin oft mentioned) so I'm guessing I'll probably have to have another major overhaul shortly once they all come through.

ObfusKate Thu 10-Jul-14 15:02:31

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

marshmum Thu 10-Jul-14 18:27:41

Another very dark and hairy mum, leg hair only made thicker by teenage shaving, which caused much soreness / rash. I've used a philips epilator for nearly 20 years. So many benefits over waxing, massively cheaper after intial purchase, can do ongoing maintenance rather than having to grow it all out for weeks. I had an old metal tweezer disc epilator for a long time but my new-ish (about four years?) one has ceramic tweezer discs which are really amazing, they get the finest, shortest hairs really easily. I do my lower legs and pits regularly (once or twice a week to be presentable, takes about 10 mins) and it has certainly reduced the growth a lot and after the first couple of years it barely hurts I'm immune to the pain now Thighs and bikini are bit more ouchy but they get done much less regularly or sometimes shaved. It is important to exfoliate to avoid in-growing hairs and the best time to epilate to reduce any pain is definitely straight after getting out of a warm bath when the pores are more open. I'm sure that using the epilator for so long has certainly made a big reduction in the hair growth on my lower legs, I think most of my hair follicles have given up!

ScarlettlovesRhett Thu 10-Jul-14 19:18:16

I actually find the underarms less nippy with the epilator than the legs (although I don't find the legs particularly bad either).

If you regularly epilate your pits then eventually you are just pulling out a few short hairs at a time (takes seconds, I do it before I dry my hair in the morning) it doesn't hurt at all tbh.

I wouldn't use anything else now (other than getting everything lasered).

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Thu 10-Jul-14 23:19:44

I've just been for waxing today; all off except for a tiny Brazilian. I find that the most painful thing for me is my KNEES. The back hurts like buggery, the front even worse.

I remembered this thread and my beautician suggested the following:

* If you shave in between waxing appointments, you'll encourage the hair to grow waywardly instead of in the same direction more or less. Needs more applications so more painful.

* Paracetamol an hour before really does work.

* If you decide to have it 'all off', get it done in stages, it hurts less and the regrowing areas are much sparser as the treatment progresses.

I went for a swim after the waxing today, it really helps take out any sting.

alemci Fri 11-Jul-14 10:47:50

I did my armpits with the epilator today. It was awful and really hurt.

CynthiaRose Fri 01-Aug-14 21:55:53

I bought an epilator a few weeks ago as a result of this thread. I like it, but I have got LOADS on ingrowing hairs over my legs. I've started exfoliating properly every couple of days, I've been a bit rubbish at that sort of thing before, but no difference so far. Is it worth carrying on, or should I abandon the whole thing??

catsmother Fri 01-Aug-14 22:54:31

I've noticed quite a few ingrown hairs too .... so have been "flicking" them out with a fine needle before epilating - they are literally just below the skin's surface so no pain or blood involved ! But have also been making an effort to exfoliate - something I admit I rarely did before - and have been using one of those scrunchy net things (don't know what they're called) with normal shower gel. Have only been doing it for a few weeks so can't say conclusively yet, but I think it's helping and if nothing else my skin texture definitely appears smoother.

One word of warning - if you have long hair (on your head, 'cos I know some of us have "long hair" elsewhere which is kind of the point of this thread .... ) do make sure you tie it back. I wasn't scalped thankfully but caught a load in the bloody epilator yesterday and had to cut a chunk out as it was so tangled up!

ClaireFraser Fri 01-Aug-14 23:09:20

I shave my legs/underarms every day of every other day. I find that exfoliating really well in the shower - I either use a pair of those scrubby gloves, a shower puff or a Dermaflannel - each time before I shave sems to prevent those little bumps, it also lifts the hair shaft up so I can get a closer shave and means it is a super quicker job.

Moisturising well afterwards also helps with the general appearance.

On a separate note, I find that men's razors are cheaper, much longer lasting and do a much better job than women's. I use this one with replaceable heads.

With women's razors I had to replace the head every month, I reckon I can go pretty much double that with men's.

I'm dark haired and fair skinned and means I can keep on top of it easily and keep smooth legs and pits.

ClaireFraser Fri 01-Aug-14 23:11:49

Forgot to say, I do lather up with soap/shower gel with the scrubby mitts etc, helps with a smooth shave.

CynthiaRose Fri 01-Aug-14 23:14:01

Ouch catsmother!

I've been flicking them out with a pair of tweezers too, but there are fucking loads of the things. Huge amounts on my legs. I guess I stick with the exfoliating for a few weeks and see what happens.

slightlyglitterstained Fri 01-Aug-14 23:28:40

Curious about which Silk epil people mean, there are loads of them!

There are various wet & dry ones, and a gazillion attachments. Are they all pretty much of a muchness? There seems to be up to 100 quid difference in price!

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