to have taken DD to A+E?

(50 Posts)
CeramicUnicorns Wed 04-Jun-14 23:14:11

DD is 5yo and suddenly got really ill this afternoon. She had a temp of 39, headache, stomach pain, felt sick and she was really lethargic. Thought it was just a virus so gave her calpol and stuck her in front of the tv. Temp went down to 38 but she was shivering and saying she felt cold.
Then when I was putting her to bed she starting crying with stomach pain and said that the light hurt her eyes. I took her straight to A+E.
We had a 3 hr wait while she just lay in my lap and then suddenly she perked up and her temp seemed to have gone. 5 mins later we saw the dr who was very dismissive and gave me the impression that she thought I was a time waster and shouldn't have come to A+E.
I did explain about DD's earlier symptoms but she was such a different girl when the dr saw her, she was even giggling!
I just feel a bit shit now that I have wasted everyone's time and don't want the hospital to have given me a black mark as a hypochondriac or anything!
WIBU to take her straight to A+E?

I think you were perfectly reasonable- children always do that in A&E (I used to work there). The doctor was an arse. Glad DD is feeling better

CorusKate Wed 04-Jun-14 23:16:52

Animals, cars, and small children. They all do it.

WorraLiberty Wed 04-Jun-14 23:19:40

You were not being unreasonable at all under those circumstances.

But I have to say I also understand how the Dr might have felt too.

In my local A&E you can regularly see people clogging up the waiting rooms with ailments that are clearly not emergencies...so it must be frustrating for the Drs too.

I'm glad your DD is feeling better and no, you won't get any kind of black mark flowers

Needadvice5 Wed 04-Jun-14 23:20:02

I'm an A+E sister and think you definitely did the right thing, it's amazing how they pick up whilst you wait but you might find she spikes a temp again during the night.

Hope you're both ok. ...

Bakersbum Wed 04-Jun-14 23:20:13

Instead of taking a turn for the better, like she thankfully did, she could have easily taken a turn for the worse, then you would have been in the right place. You can only act on what was presenting at the time. So yanbu.

CheeryName Wed 04-Jun-14 23:20:28

I took DS to A&E in the middle of the night when he was tiny, my friend came too as I was so worried, he really wasn't his usual self. He had... drumroll.... constipation! blush

Doctor was lovely about it though! Sorry yours wasn't and am glad your DD is ok.

Princessdeb Wed 04-Jun-14 23:20:49

Dear OP,

You were absolutely not unreasonable. You had a child with some potential signs of serious illness. While the likelihood of it being life threatening was relatively small delays in seeking help when it is serious can lead to devastating results. You know your child best and know if something is seriously awry. We know that children's condition change very rapidly and they can go from seemingly being on deaths door to sitting up and playing in the blink of an eye. That does not mean you shouldn't act if you have concerns. The Dr was very unreasonable for making you doubt that you did the right thing. I hope your DD is feeling better now.

WorraLiberty Wed 04-Jun-14 23:22:21

My friend waited nearly 5hrs in A&E with her 18 month old DD, who had a plastic bead stuck in her ear.

5 minutes before the Dr called them in, the bead managed to somehow dislodge itself and fall out.

She said she felt like "shoving the fucker back in there, just to save face!" grin

ICanSeeTheSun Wed 04-Jun-14 23:24:24

Best to be safe.

I swear the waiting room has magical powers.

MrsMaturin Wed 04-Jun-14 23:27:11

You were right to take her with those symptoms. It sounds like it was viral and her body worked out how to fight it whilst you waited but you were right to go and any doctor would rather see 100 kids like yours today than 1 whose parents wait too long to bring them in.
Feeling a bit daft at A&E is a parenting rite of passage. We picked dd2 up from nursery once and were told she had just had a minor bump to the head. 20 minutes later she was sick in Sainsburys. I panicked and insisted on taking her to A&E. The nurse we saw found her tonsils were a bit enlarged and no sign of concussion. He wrote she was 'sulking' on the paperwork which enraged me because she is not a sulky child. But meh - better safe ALWAYS than sorry.

BlackeyedSusan Wed 04-Jun-14 23:27:56

dd sneezed out the apple pip on the way to the hospital. that is the only explanation for it not being there when the dr looked.

Amy106 Wed 04-Jun-14 23:29:08

You absolutely did the right thing. I am just so sorry you were treated that way. thanks

mindthegap79 Wed 04-Jun-14 23:29:16

Yanbu. A friend of mine swears that the best way to bring a child's temperature down is to drive them to A&E at 1am.

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Wed 04-Jun-14 23:39:03

Been there, done that.
When DD was about 2 years old she started with a really high temperature of 41C, then she started with an odd high pitched cry, went really lethargic and floppy. We rushed her to A&E, where the tri-arge nurse was really worried and rushed her through to a cubical. The nurse came in and said she was worried about her breathing as it sounded to have a rattle. She sent us for an urgent x-ray as the Dr was busy with another child.
Then we waited for the Dr. Slowly DD sat up, noticed the toys in the corner... and was off playing. When the Dr came in she was laughing and giggling with the toys! Her temperature was back to normal, and there was no sign of the rattling breathing.
The Dr looked at the nurse who said "what? She looked really sick when she came in I promise!"
Luckily the Dr just shrugged and said "Glad she has improved!" Smiled at DD and sent us home.
DD perfected the act of making me look like a neurotic mother very early on!

Jollyphonics Wed 04-Jun-14 23:42:46

All kids do that. It's what they do.

Bit just as an aside - unless your child has a particular reason for not having it, it's a good idea to always given nurofen as well as calpol, it's much better for temperatures.

Floralnomad Wed 04-Jun-14 23:43:34

Perfectly reasonable ,but it would probably have been quicker to have seen the OOH GP.

bubalou Wed 04-Jun-14 23:45:12

You sound like you did the right thing. My mum is a sister at an A+E department and trust me - compared to some people they deal with wasting time a genuinely concerned parent with a poorly child is not going to have them moaning.

Hope she feels better soon. wink

MrsMook Wed 04-Jun-14 23:47:58

DS did a magic healing trick last year. He was 3m and wheezy and gasping for breath. I had to call a friend over to sit in with his brother as of course DS had chosen to do this the first time DH haf gone abroad leaving me with two. Took him to A&E, still gasps in the car seat. By triage, he was perking up. I ended up sitting around with an increasingly healthy baby who was full of charm and charisma by the time the Dr saw him. Better to be feeking a wally with a healthy recovered child, than suddenly having to call an ambulance because they deteriorated rapidly.

bubalou Wed 04-Jun-14 23:48:21

I forgot to post - maybe an example will make you smile. Reads like a bad joke but 100% true.

Sister - what is the problem sir
Patient - I can't get an erection
Sister - ok how long has this been going on
Patient - about 3 months
Sister - ok and have you been to your doctor
Patient - no, but if you try and touch it then you can see if I can get one or not!

blushblushblushblushblush

He waited 3 hours to ask that! Needless to say she declined.

Mrsfrumble Thu 05-Jun-14 00:01:30

Not unreasonable. I wouldn't take any chances with a child who had a temperature and was complaining that the light hurt their eyes. That's a classic meningitis symptoms, isn't it?

You could have called NHS Direct (does that still exist?) but they probably would have directed you to A&E anyway in those circumstances. Once they even sent the ambulance to pick up little DS because the nurse on the phone was so alarmed by the sound of his wheezing. He had croup. I still felt daft at the hospital even though it wasn't me that panicked!

xihha Thu 05-Jun-14 00:02:36

When I was little I was really accident prone and mum got fed up of taking me in with hurt ankles/wrists that stopped hurting the second we got to see the doctor so next time I fell off my bike she ignored my whinging, 3 days later we were at church and a nurse ordered mum to take me to the hospital, it turned out my arm was broken. i used it to guilt trip her for years. Point is its better to be embarrassed than to leave it when there really is something wrong.

unlucky83 Thu 05-Jun-14 00:28:31

Same here (except to OOH GP not A&E). Five month old DD...max calpol, sponging etc and temp wouldn't go down, drowsy/floppy etc etc - really unwell.
Just me - airbag in front so DD in car seat in back, 11 mile trip I'd never done before on dark, twisty, no stopping country roads...petrified she was going to start fitting etc..arrived in town - so could stop, checked her temp - still sky high - took another 5 mins to find surgery got her out .....and it had gone..
Gp was really kind - said it happened all the time - I think by then I needed to see them more than she did (Valium?)- she was this a happy smiley contented baby and I was a shivering nervous wreck on the verge of tears....
(She also trapped her hand in the car door once - iced it etc, she couldn't bend her fingers, bruised and swollen - arrived at A&E 40 mins later (fed her first - hospital said that would be ok) - less swollen but she still couldn't bend them etc- 20 mins later she was on the rocking horse in the play area - holding on tight both hands!)

MexicanSpringtime Thu 05-Jun-14 00:50:09

Glad she got better. There was so much meningitis around when my daughter was young, I often to here to a&e for a headache that I was concerned about. What can you? These are hard to identify illnesses where immediate treatment is important

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Thu 05-Jun-14 02:32:53

Kids do have a habit of doing this. Maybe she doesn't have much experience of dealing with children. IME most doctors do understand this.

Jollyphonics, I though the NICE guidance was not to routinely give paracetamol and ibuprofen together as antipyretics unless the child continued to be distressed or became distressed before the next dose of medication was due.

AElfgifu Thu 05-Jun-14 02:49:43

YANBU, it was impossible to tell what was going to happen in your circumstances .

Doctor is obviously not a parent yet!

Morloth Thu 05-Jun-14 04:54:54

Little buggers all do it.

I once took DS1 to A&E in the middle of the night, really scared.

Within minutes of arriving he was fine and enjoying the adventure.

At home he was throwing up, shaking, high temp, horrible rash.

CrohnicallyHungry Thu 05-Jun-14 07:00:08

DD did it at 10 weeks old. Refusing feeds even though she was clearly hungry. Screaming a weird high pitched cry, absolutely inconsolable. Phoned 111 and got an appointment at OOH. Waited for an hour in the waiting room with a very grumpy baby who I had to continually rock else she screamed again. Went in to see the doctor, she stopped screaming and smiled at him!

Hell, I even did it a couple of weeks ago. I have Crohn's and suffered with a sudden severe pain to the side of my abdomen. I tried going to the toilet and ended up having to crawl back down the stairs, the pain was so bad. So I took some codeine and grabbed a hot water bottle, but neither touched the pain. We made arrangements for DD to go to a relative, DH packed her stuff while I writhed on the floor. Dropped DD off and the pain was easing (though still bloody painful). Got to hospital and by the time I was seen by a doctor I was feeling fine and to be honest, a bit silly about the whole thing!

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 05-Jun-14 07:36:57

Happened with 4 month old DS with a rash and puffy eyes. All disappeared by the time we saw the OOH doctor. And we're both HCP!

Tangerinefairy Thu 05-Jun-14 07:44:04

Yanbu at all, I think anyone would be terrified in that situation. Much as it might have been frustrating for the Dr if they had children themselves they would surely understand. It's the way it goes sometimes with children and they can equally be absolutely fine one minute or just mildly ill and then suddenly seem very, very ill. Don't feel bad about yourself. Better that you took her and all was well than you didn't and she turned out to be really poorly. You were doing your job as a mum!

cantbelievethisishppening Thu 05-Jun-14 07:49:18

I was spoken to very sternly by a doctor because my daughter apparently just had a stomach virus and to take her home, give her calpol and let her sleep it off. She had leukaemia. YANBU.

ManchesterAunt Thu 05-Jun-14 08:01:38

My uncle is a GP - babies are well known for perking up at the wrong time.

Your doctor was very unreasonable angry

cathpip Thu 05-Jun-14 08:20:57

Yanbu, my 3 year old dd had your classic viral infection, something did not sit right so I called an ambulance, dd had aggressive bacterial pneumonia. She never came home, that was 8 weeks ago. I wouldn't wish this torture on my worst enemy, children go down hill so quickly, but also perk up so quickly. Am glad your dd is feeling lots better, don't feel shit about it either. Xx

RachelWatts Thu 05-Jun-14 08:21:39

We took DS1 to hospital with wheezing when we were on holiday once. As it wasn't our local hospital they obviously didn't know us.

DS1 is a classic 'happy Wheezer' - he was barely able to breathe, but still running around the waiting area and playing.

The receptionist obviously had us down as time wasters, giving us cat's bum mouth looks, and it took the triage nurse almost an hour to come see us despite it being the middle of the night with no-one else waiting.

Once he'd been assessed, the nurse had him on oxygen straight away as his oxygen levels were so low.

VanGogh Thu 05-Jun-14 08:25:19

I'm so so sorry for your loss cathpip
(((Hugs)))

OP. YANBU.

ManchesterAunt Thu 05-Jun-14 08:25:36

Oh cathpip , I am so so sorry for your loss. I can't even begin, I am sorry

WooWooOwl Thu 05-Jun-14 08:35:19

If you have an OOH service linked to your surgery, then you were being unreasonable to go straight to A&E.

Hoppinggreen Thu 05-Jun-14 09:28:50

When my DD was about 18 months she caught her arm of the sofa, cried for a while but then refused to move it.
We went to A&E convinced it was broken, went in to the Doctor and explained she just wouldn't move it and was holding it still to her side and crying if we touched it at all. Emphasis on WOULDNT move it!!
As Doc got closer she reached up with unmoveable arm, grabbed his glasses and chucked them across the room while laughing and the clapped her hands for a bit!!
DOc said it's not uncommon and they would rather see a well child brought there for no reason than one who was severely ill who was brought on too late

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid Thu 05-Jun-14 11:04:32

Op Yanbu, dr was an arse. It shouldn't matter how hectic a&e has been official line should be "rather see a small child make a sudden recovery than miss one that's seriously sick"

cathpip I'm so so sorry, there aren't words

DinoSnores Thu 05-Jun-14 11:09:43

"Bit just as an aside - unless your child has a particular reason for not having it, it's a good idea to always given nurofen as well as calpol, it's much better for temperatures."

No, it isn't. The temperature itself is a good thing. It means the body can fight infection. Ibuprofen or paracetamol should be used when the child is miserable for pain/distress etc to make them feel better.

www.nice.org.uk/nicemedia/live/14171/63908/63908.pdf

Antipyretic agents do not prevent febrile convulsions and should not be used specifically for this purpose.

When using paracetamol or ibuprofen in children with fever;
continue only as long as the child appears distressed
consider changing to the other agent if the child's distress is not alleviated
do not give both agents simultaneously
only consider alternating these agents if the distress persists or recurs before the next dose is due.

WowOoo Thu 05-Jun-14 11:10:19

Oh cathpip. I'm so sorry.

It goes to show that you can't be too careful. I would have done the same.
Hope she's fully better now.

DinoSnores Thu 05-Jun-14 11:11:51

That's terrible, cathpip. I am very sorry.

Thankfully in most cases, A&E doctors and GPs are very used to seeing ill children that suddenly seem completely fine when they arrive. It happens to doctors' children as well!

MrsSpencerReid Thu 05-Jun-14 11:14:35

Yanbu hospitals have magic doors!! Similar thing happened to me with the ooh GP! Hope she is on the mend, don't feel bad and don't let it put you off doing the same if there is a next time

CeramicUnicorns Thu 05-Jun-14 13:29:51

Thank you everyone, you've made me feel a lot better and less stupid!

Cathpip I'm so sorry, I can't imagine what you must be going through thanks

whitepuddingsupper Thu 05-Jun-14 14:15:55

My 3 year old has done that to me too, a few weeks ago. Within a couple of hours she went from fine to lethargic, floppy, raging temperature and vomiting. Took her to a&e, saw triage nurse who said she was indeed poorly and we were given a bed in resus for her. By the time the doctor came round to see her she was sitting up and singing blush. Turned out she only had a UTI, but the doctor and nurses were so nice and kind about it.

jaabaar Fri 06-Jun-14 00:12:26

Definitely reasonable.

My 4y DD started screaming with pain one afternoon. Sheer terror in her eyes. I panicked and made emergency appointment with GP.
One hour later when going to GP she was fine just looked pale and tired.
I felt very guilty going to GP and considered cancelling.....

GP checked her and said I should take her to A&E as he suspected appendix but he said very unlikely. I go to hospital by taxi and still felt silly as she seemed okayish.

Then at hospital she turned yellow and had blood in urine.
With ambulance to Great Ormond Street.
She had burst appendix and developed peritonitis.
Emergency operation and 10 days hospital. She was 24 hours away from death.....

So my advise..... Never ever regret taking your child to A&E if you think something is wrong.... My dd seemed better but clearly wasn't.

PrincessBabyCat Fri 06-Jun-14 00:21:18

Yep. DD had a temp. Took her in, and it was back down to normal. hmm

They did all the tests anyway just to make sure it wasn't anything serious.

TheSarcasticFringehead Fri 06-Jun-14 00:26:44

DD once had a long nosebleed. It went on for 2hrs (it was like a flood, DH had to run out to get more tissues!), called up for advice, they advised me to go the hospital, they could cauterise it there. Takes half an hour to get to hospital due to traffic. Dries up in the car park 2hrs 45mins after starting. She ended up needing to be cauterised anyway when she had a similar bleed which didn't stop for hours too, but that was so annoying for both of us!

MiscellaneousAssortment Fri 06-Jun-14 00:28:19

Cathpip I am so, so sorry flowers

cantbelievethisishappening im sorry too. did that doctor ever know he got it so wrong? I don't believe in blaming doctors (unless blame is due obviously), but I do feel that doctors with such a bad manner needs feedback so he can learn from his crashing inappropriate manner and never do it again.

CorusKate Fri 06-Jun-14 00:35:21

jaabaar: classic burst appendix AFAIK - horrendous pain which suddenly stops. Always good to be in the right place when that happens smile

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