To join fat club or put gastric surgery on the credit card?

(79 Posts)
AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 17:25:22

I am fat. Very fat. Much fatter than anyone should be.

I've tried everything and failed miserably. I am a miserable fat failure.

So. The option.

1. Fat club.

2. Surgery.

I did sw fat club about a hundred years ago and lost a few stone but over the last 9 years it's steadily piled back on plus more.

I have an hour to convince myself.

sharonthewaspandthewineywall Tue 13-May-14 17:26:31

Try fat club for a specified length of time- say 3/4 months.
Then revaluate.
I will diet with you if you like as im a heiffer

LadySybilLikesCake Tue 13-May-14 17:27:48

Go for the fat club first. Surgery isn't the best option due to the risks involved so is always the very last resort.

Are you doing the usual? Checking your portion sizes, not snacking, exercise?

specialsubject Tue 13-May-14 17:27:57

why not try your GP for help and referral to a nutritionist?

no life-wrecking surgery, no faddy diets.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Tue 13-May-14 17:29:41

Fat club and maybe a therapist to help you want unpack your feelings and attitudes to food? It's hard, but I'd try the non stop surgical method at least for six months first.

sheeeewee Tue 13-May-14 17:29:42

I am having exactly the same dilemma.

What shall we do ?

fridgepants Tue 13-May-14 17:29:57

Do you have serious health problems - not just general unfitness/feeling rough, but diabetes/bloodpressure etc.? Things that mean you can't wait six months or a year? If not, you might as well try the fat club and then re-evaluate.

Have you discussed with your GP?

Chippednailvarnish Tue 13-May-14 17:30:50

Having surgery won't address why you over eat...

fridgepants Tue 13-May-14 17:30:55

Also, I think LighterLife - though expensive - has a group therapy element. It does involve peculiar 'food packs', though, so I don't know how it works as a long-term solution.

LadySybilLikesCake Tue 13-May-14 17:31:00

Thyroid problems can cause weight issues, so seeing your GP to make sure everything's OK is a good idea smile

Maryz Tue 13-May-14 17:31:11

Boot Camp?

Do you mean size 20 fat, or can't get out of your chair fat?

Because imo gastric bypass is the last possible resort, simply because once people get over the surgery they start to eat more again, the stomach stretches and eventually they are back where they started because they haven't learned to eat properly.

AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 17:32:32

Back is knackered. Snore like a hog. Hitting 40 in 3 months.

Not going to the GP.

AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 17:35:15

Size 20. Pretty repulsive.

Greedy with a penchent for cheese, wine and cake. I csn stop for a month. Do low carb, low fat, beetroot, dust etc for a month and then think fuckit and slip back to my cheese and toast habit.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted Tue 13-May-14 17:35:58

Fat club. Even considering gastric surgery is crackers. There is no easy solution but the surgery could bring more problems than is solves

JingletsJangletsYellowBanglets Tue 13-May-14 17:36:13

With the bypass, aren't you pretty much on a diet the rest of your life? I understood you have to start with liquids only, then learn how to eat in very small portions, etc. if you lose weight v quickly you'll need further surgery to get rid of the extra skin too.

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 13-May-14 17:36:34

Bootcamp, definitely. Read Dr Briffa's "Escape the Diet Trap" as this will explain WHY you put weight back on after you had initial success with SW.
And life can change. I've used food to change the way I feel for years. I'm 23lb down but most importantly I'm not eating emotionally nearly as often any more.

This is your turning point, we all need one!

LadySybilLikesCake Tue 13-May-14 17:36:41

Gastric bands don't always work and can stop a body absorbing the nutrients, so can cause malnurishment. It's not a fix as there's ways around it (I worked with Gastric band patients and nurses for a little while). You should get a check over, it could be something medical.

I wouldn't do lighterlife. I'd get a personal trainer to go over my diet and sort out an exercise plan with the money instead. Weight loss diets don't work as people go back to their normal diet afterwards. Healthy eating, portion control and exercise works.

Lizzylou Tue 13-May-14 17:37:04

Try Fat club first, you don't want to go through major surgery without exhausting every option.
Plus I know someone who had a gastric band, lost loads of weight very quickly, but has since put it back on. You need to adjust your eating habits.

Maryz Tue 13-May-14 17:39:05

Size 20 isn't gastric band territory (or repulsive), sorry, you would have to be much bigger for it to have any effect.

Have you tried rewarding yourself? Is there anything you really want, anywhere you want to go? Any way to encourage yourself to stay BC-ing for a full 8 weeks to start with?

JaneRizzoli Tue 13-May-14 17:39:17

I am in a similar position but hate anything like fat club weighing in public. I had some success on slim and save last year. I stopped due to Christmas and just not got back on it. I haven't put all the weight back on either but still have a lot to lose. I am hoping to start back on it tomorrow if you are looking for someone to chat to to give mutual encouragement.

Maryz Tue 13-May-14 17:40:04

And you could start BC today - you are only a week behind. If you stuck 8 and a half weeks and got down a size or two you could relax and eat cake maintain for a bit and then do the next one in September.

That's my plan which isn't working too well today

Maryz Tue 13-May-14 17:40:54

But if you have the money, do BC with a personal dietitian calling to see you once a week, checking your out, giving you recipes and kicking you up the butt - I have a friend for whom that worked wonders.

Yes to fat club/support/small changes

No to the self hating talk - you are NOT door blocking, can't clean your own bum fat wink

You are a size 20, 2 sizes away from the average.

Do people say to a size 12 person OMG, youre so much thinner than the average?

No they don't - in the same way no one says that a size 20 is so much fatter than the average ( apart from inside your head)

Also, find a way to have the things you like. I am also a cheese and biscuit fan and when I was dieting (I'm not dieting but doing 5:2 now) I had lowest calorie crispbreads, grapes, Babybels sliced thin - made the whole plate about 200 calories.

I will go against the grain and say have surgery if you want. A band can be reversed or loosened so it's not permenant. A friend of mine had it done and lost 9 stone.

But I've had plastic surgery too so I'm pro knife grin

Trollsworth Tue 13-May-14 17:45:49

My friends mum died from the surger when she was forty two. Don't do it. Go to fat club.

AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 17:47:48

I can't do low/no carb.

Aaaargh. I am weak. Why am I just not capable of simply not eating like a pig? It is utterly pathetic. I sm seriously considrring paying somrone to weigh me. Insanr.

Trollsworth Tue 13-May-14 17:48:07

Count calories, cervix. Then you can eat what you want as long as yu can 'afford' it. Myfitnesspal.com are good.

Trollsworth Tue 13-May-14 17:49:04

Weight watchers. When you are paying someone to weigh you, you aren't paying for five seconds on their scales, you are paying for their approval.

dottyaboutstripes Tue 13-May-14 17:51:45

I'm another no to surgery. I was a size 20 and I decided on WW. It was hard, REALLY hard and it took a LONG time to lose the weight. By joining a group like WW or SW you do get the support if you stay for the meetings, you have to look at it in terms of being in it for the long haul though, there just isn't a quick fix nor instant results, just a long hard slog with slip ups along the way. You can do it though!!

LadySybilLikesCake Tue 13-May-14 17:52:10

Be strong. Go through your cupboard and fridge, then throw out the cheese/biscuits/crisps. Do an online food order and replace them with seeds, nuts, fruit, veg, fish. Only you can change things and surgery isn't going to help if you don't want it. I know no cakes or cheese is boring, but the more you tell yourself you don't need it the easier it becomes.

AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 17:53:21

I am aldo far far to lazy to start counting, weighing and measuring.

And i work stupid shifts.

LadySybilLikesCake Tue 13-May-14 17:55:19

Are you bollocks, you're never too old and you can sort the other one out. Shift work isn't an excuse either (I work shifts. Sort the healthy snacks out when you're at home and take them to work with you).

Have therapy to get to the root cause of why you are "greedy" and feel such a "failure". IMO there's no point in trying to lose weight until you've looked into your relationship with food because it'll always be there ready to sabotage your weight loss efforts. No to surgery until you've exhausted all other options.

At the same time go to your GP (why don't you want to go BTW?) and get a check up. If there's a physical reason for your weight gain (apart from the toast and cheese and your bad back) then that can be dealt with. You'll also find out if it's safe to do some exercise.

pinkstinks Tue 13-May-14 17:57:58

Come to fat club. I an a size 20 but lost 7.5lbs in 2 weeks so far. You don't start with points etc just filling and healthy things. I am slowly retraining myself! Plus I though it would be more scary than it actually was!

HappyHippyChick Tue 13-May-14 17:59:03

Have you considered hypnosis? There Is an app Virtual Gastric Band which I have Downloaded and used for a little while. It was relatively successful in helping me change my eating habits and considering mindfully what I ate, however sadly I fell pregnant before I could do the virtual surgery so can't tell you too much about it.

Chippednailvarnish Tue 13-May-14 17:59:49

But your still not addressing what the issue is. If being fat upsets you so much why do you sabotage yourself by eating chesse, wine, etc.

It sounds less of an over eating problem and more like a lack of self esteem.

MaryWestmacott Tue 13-May-14 18:01:43

OP - you do understand once you have the band you will have to use will power to stop yourself from eating cheese and wine anyway? Lots of people really struggle with it because they think the band will magically take away their desire for foods they shouldn't have, all it does is make you very ill if you eat them, you'll still want to eat them. That has to change first, or the band will just make your life shit. Sorry.

With the band you will have to count, weigh and measure your food.

So if you didn't find SW helped you change the way you think about food, then perhaps you need to get some therapy, and see if you can change the way you think about foods.

Ultimately, bands only work by forcing you to eat the way you should, it does not change the way you think, it won't change the fact that you have shifts, it won't change the fact you want to consume more calories than your body needs.

By having the band fitted, you are taking the decision to stop eating cheese, crisps and crap foods. You could take the same decision without putting yourself through a dangerous and expensive proceedure. If you haven't taken that decision, the band won't work/you'll be very ill.

TinklyLittleLaugh Tue 13-May-14 18:03:14

Come on, size 20 really isn't massive. A big recommendation for My Fitness Pal here; if you're someone who loves good food then eating some freaky diet is not going to work for you. The weighing and measuring thing you you only have to do the first time you have something, and then save it to the memory, it's pretty straightforward.

JingletsJangletsYellowBanglets Tue 13-May-14 18:06:02

Er, if you "can't " do low carb, how do you know you can "do" small portions? The operation is just the first bit. It's completely changing your eating habits that's the hard bit.

TinklyLittleLaugh Tue 13-May-14 18:06:06

And I always saved a few calories for a tiny glass of wine and a few cubes of cheese.

AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 18:08:22

My relationship with weight, food and myself is pretty fucked. Nothing physically wrong with me.
Tried MFP. It's too easy to lie to it.

Lizzylou Tue 13-May-14 18:08:35

You need to go with what is going to work for you, with the best will in the world if what you love is cake and wine, low carb will be a stretch for you. Far better to learn to enjoy your favourite things in moderation.
The thing is, no one plan works for everyone, someone will rock up soon and suggest 5:2, then lighterlife, then WW. Only you know what will work, it may be that you try a number of options before finding what fits into your lifestyle.
The most important thing though is that you know that you are worth the effort of changing your eating habits. Stop talking yourself down and see yourself as someone worth the effort.

skittycat Tue 13-May-14 18:09:16

Go to 'fat club'.

And stop coming up with excuses as to why you can't lose weight.

If you are start of with the view that you can't do it, then you probably wont.

A gastric band will not be the magic solution you want and won't address why you eat what you do. With fat club you will be introduced to a new way of thinking about food and will get some moral support.

And I say this as a someone else who is overweight. It's been my excuses that held me back from losing weight, but now i've stopped with the excuses and changed my way of thinking about it I have started to lose a bit of weight.

(and my apologies if this sounds harsh at all!)

lowcarbforthewin Tue 13-May-14 18:10:20

Unfortunately you can have the band and still regain weight. It is a tool. It isn't a quick fix. I watch videos on YouTube of people who have had it done, most have lost many stones and then regained many stones. You find ways round it if you are that kind of eater, the pouch can stretch. Plus you can die and suffer malnutrition. It really isn't a good idea. And no doctor would do one unless you can demonstrate you can lose a stone, and well, of you can lose a stone you don't need the surgery.

Have you tried Overeaters anonymous? That and counselling is where I'd start. I used to be a size 24, I was hungry all the time and I comfort ate. Low carbing really has helped because it keeps me full and the food is so nice it's perfect for someone greedy like me. I'm size 14 now. But I don't think you're ready to jump into any diet, you need to tackle the root problems first. In fact no diet might just push you into binging and making you feel more rubbish.

Maryz Tue 13-May-14 18:11:05

Ok, it sounds as though you need to be shamed into it.

Get one of these boot-camp-y people (not low carb bc but one of the companies that sends round beautiful young fit people to your house).

You need one where you will be too embarrassed to lie to them, where they will come over once a week and weigh you and do a food plan which is simple enough for you to follow.

You need to spend a stupid amount of money.

At the end, you will be so pissed off at yourself, and embarrassed, and broke that you will vow to never, ever, ever get yourself in that position again.

At least that method worked for a friend of mine. He lost stones.

AtYourCervix Tue 13-May-14 18:11:22

Right.

I'm going to fat club.

I've written it down so now it has to happen.

supafish Tue 13-May-14 18:12:23

Please don't do surgery , nearly killed me and now I'm back to doin it the hard way !!!

LadySybilLikesCake Tue 13-May-14 18:13:03

Good luck! smile

Cushioney Tue 13-May-14 18:13:34

Best of luck AtYour

Keep us updated thanks

fatlazymummy Tue 13-May-14 18:15:35

OP, I was a size 20-22 3 years ago. Now I have lost 4 stones and wear size 12-14.You can lose this weight without surgery, in a healthy way, and feel so much better physically and mentally (most importantly). There are a lot of different ways, people have made some great suggestions, and if none of these suit you then there are other resources and people to help you out there.
I honestly believe that eating a healthy diet, portion control and exercise is the best thing for your body and I would recommend that over weight loss surgery (and think what you could do with that amount of money - a nice holiday perhaps?)

fatlazymummy Tue 13-May-14 18:17:23

See you've already decided OP. Best of luck, you can do it!

Melonbreath Tue 13-May-14 18:18:05

It used to really piss me off when I got referrals for people wanting bariatric surgery for reasons such as 'diets don't work for them' or 'the patient's job makes it difficult to maintain a healthy lifestyle'
They seemed to think the surgery was going to wave a magic wand and they'd be skinny and all their problems would be solved. It won't. Not only is the surgery risky in itself but it won't cure self esteem issues or food relationship issues.
It was saddening the patients who had diabetes, worn out knee joints, heart problems, feet problems all because they were overweight.
go to fat club, get support and learn to love yourself. You CAN Do it.

Pandora452 Tue 13-May-14 18:19:56

I was just going to say myfitnesspal.com too - You can add EVERYTHING, including food prep to it, as well as your food and its a really good way.
I am far too fat too, and my friend has been using mfp for a month and lost 10lb - if she can do it, I can do it and you can do it smile
I think the fact MFP tells you amounts for a serving helps too - its easy to "overpay" on the high calorie stuff without realising it

Just stay off their forums for a bit smile

poohbunny Tue 13-May-14 18:20:02

I would say try Slimming World online which I'm doing at the moment. I tried the classes for a few weeks but couldn't stand how patronising they were so online suits me. My husband and I are doing it together so that certainly helps to keep us on track - do you have a friend / relative you could follow it at the same time?

I started in the first week of February this year and have so far lost 3 stone and 4 lbs. I was a size 24 and I'm currently an 18/20 - I need to lose about another 5 stone but I feel so much better already.

My constant lower back pain has gone, the pain in my lower legs when walking even short distances is getting easier and I can certainly move about more easily. My confidence is also slowly coming back and I'm taking more pride in my appearance.

I would say that you have to be in the right 'head space' to start though - I was about to turn 50 and planning a big trip abroad in 2015 which were the two spurs to finally do something. I knew my health would get worse if I didn't and I didn't want to ruin our holiday by worrying about squeezing into a plane seat and not being able to walk far on our trip.

Surgery would cost a fortune so it's well worth paying out a fiver a week to see if you can do it yourself first. You can do it!!!

BravePotato Tue 13-May-14 18:20:51

Ditch the self loathing.

Self loathing, like fat shaming, do not work, if anything they sabotage you!

Pandora452 Tue 13-May-14 18:21:11

Oops. Should have refreshed, sorry!

Sirzy Tue 13-May-14 18:23:55

My relationship with weight, food and myself is pretty fucked

I know you have said you don't want to, but your GP may well be able to refer you to people who can help tackle this side of things which could well be a massive chunk of the battle.

Until you can change your relationship with food it is going to be hard to overcome the problem. I was lucky that I was able to tackle it myself through sheer determination and have dropped 5 stone and 5 dress sizes in a year BUT it isn't easy and takes a whole lifestyle change and I still have weak moments.

I am part of a closed group on FB for the Charity HOOP (Helping Overcome Obesity Problems) and have found that very helpful for the kick up the arse/celebrate achievement/support side of things. Everyone is at various points in their weight loss journey and very understanding.

colleysmill Tue 13-May-14 18:24:08

Where I am the local provider for support for weight management is WW and you can get 4 months free on the nhs. And any hcp can refer not just GPS so it might be worth asking the question.

Good luck

Moreisnnogedag Tue 13-May-14 18:25:18

Personally I think you've made the right choice but I think you might need a bit more support (?therapist if you're willing)

You shouldn't talk about yourself like this. You are not repulsive nor pathetic or anything like that. Being overweight is multi-factorial and exploring the reasons for why you are overweight is as important as watching what you eat.

Good luck!

Lookrightnow Tue 13-May-14 18:34:03

I've had a gastric band. Paid for it 3years ago.

Best thing I've ever done.

Healthy, no excess skin - cheaper food shops too!

Nobody Knowsley I had a band. Tis great. No judgement.

Lookrightnow Tue 13-May-14 18:35:01

Oh and turns out I didn't need therapy. I was just greedy!

Not suggesting you are btw.

fridgepants Tue 13-May-14 18:35:25

I am one of those Good Fatties in that I have a medical reason for being bigger - the medication I take is notorious for weight gain. I have still experienced fat-shaming by medical folk - one I went to about Depo when I was 19 who started grilling me about what I ate on a daily basis as I'd gained weight since the last shot, and my old GP who told me, in the middle of an appointment about something else, 'you know we can give you medication to make you lose weight - it's good although it does give you runny poos' hmm A friend of mine has multiple health issues and occasionally encounters a doctor who responds to all her concerns with 'But did you know you're a big fatty fat and that's why you're having anxiety attacks and not sleeping?'

That and all the conflicting messages about what is or isn't healthy or a good diet makes it really hard to know what to do. Once you decide you're a greedy pig - and I doubt you are - it's hard to think it's possible to make lasting changes. I'm trying to get over that mindset at the moment - eating when I feel hungry only, making sure I'm eating something balanced with protein to fill me up, and trying to be aware of what and why I'm eating compulsively. I've also taken up exercise. I'm trying to think of it as a 'being healthier' thing rather than a 'stop being fat' thing - it feels then more like a positive change rather than punishment/deprivation.

Theodorous Tue 13-May-14 18:36:49

I had a gastric balloon. Cost 2 thousand pounds and lost mega weight and kept it off. It's non invasive and took about 20 minutes. I don't agree with the endless discouragement on here for any type of medical treatment. Life is short, better to live it than spend it miserable and sitting in smelly church halls being barked at by an instructor called Maureen who lost 42 stone and is now selling rip off diet products.

grocklebox Tue 13-May-14 18:36:56

what about a hypno gastric band?

Lookrightnow Tue 13-May-14 18:38:33

Sorry but lots of people are wrong about bands on here...

Risks of surgery shouldn't be underrated however.

CMOTDibbler Tue 13-May-14 18:46:51

I think you need some help with sorting out your relationship with food, yourself and your body before you do anything else tbh. Because without addressing that you can lose weight, but you'll put it back on.

I have a lovely friend who has lost 8 stone 5 times in her life so far - Atkins, Slimming World, and more recently Lighter Life. And put it all back on as she eats when shes sad, when shes happy, when she wants a hug etc etc etc and none of this breaks that, or addresses why shes miserable most of the time. Breaks my heart.

grumblepuss Tue 13-May-14 18:50:20

Can you be totally honest with what you're eating?
Can you keep a food diary? There are apps which will help. My fitness pal is the best known.

Once you know what you're eating could you reduce the quantity? Instead of three slices of toast with butter, cut it to one slice.

Walk a few miles a day, work out what this equals in food?

Don't diet, but educate yourself into what you're eating, what that really means in energy. Look at what energy you're expending throughout the day. Find a balance.

The old adage ... Eat less, move more.

TidyDancer Tue 13-May-14 19:01:25

OP, I don't know how much you weigh in pounds, but I was once a bigger clothes size than you. At my peak, I wore a size 24-26 and weighed over 19 stone. I lost approx 9+ stone. No gastric bands here. I did it with weight watchers (I needed to keep track and that was the best way to do it) and I'm now using no refined sugar to maintain. It's not an obsessive way of eating, I still eat fruit and carbs, it's just what works for me.

Good luck with whatever you do, but please don't resort to surgery without at least trying the healthy eating way first.

oneperfectlimousine Tue 13-May-14 19:26:17

You'd still have to change your eating habits if you had the surgery. What about hypnosis - not the app, but someone you can speak to, discuss concerns with and get some support from. This is the sort of thing thats available hypnotichealing.co.uk/course/ so a few options.

Lemiserableoldgimmer Tue 13-May-14 20:06:09

Atyourcervix - you're a midwife no?

I noticed loads and loads of very overweight midwives when I was on placement at a local hospital maternity unit.

I wonder if the stress and exhaustion of your job (are you a hospital midwife?) is undermining your ability to lose weight.

I eat when I'm tired and stressed. I can eat and eat and eat.

My new weight loss plan involves me going to bed earlier, taking more exercise, having a rest when I feel tired, and doing lots and lots of relaxation. Oh, plus eating fruit and veg only until dinner time (plus shed loads of strong coffee). No cake/biscuits/shite except maybe once or twice a month. I've lost 10lbs so far, in about 3 weeks. If I'm tired I eat. I eat the same food as the rest of the family in the evening, but a small portion. Like a child's portion. It works for me as it's not too complicated.

ApocalypseThen Tue 13-May-14 20:06:34

Can I just add another vote for the hypno gastric band? It really does work and it's really cheap. Honestly, you can start tonight and see how you go. It works for me.

dawndonnaagain Tue 13-May-14 20:09:19

I am losing a steady six pounds a month with WW. I started at a size 22, I'm nearly an 18, now. Started in March.

snowmummy Tue 13-May-14 20:31:08

You are not a failure. Be kinder to yourself.

Try the diet and consider counselling to get to the root of your overeating.

Lots of luck.

Maverick66 Tue 13-May-14 20:39:33

I have two friends one male one female. Male friend was 29 stone and had gastric bypass on NHS he went on to loose 15 stone - he has regained 5 stone and has to work hard at maintaining his weight. My female friend was border line qualifying for gastric surgery but paid privately £9,000.00 and had a gastric by pass she lost 3.5 stone and has regained almost 2 stone. it has been a long road for them both. As op's have said gastric bypass/band is a tool. It does not address any issues you have with food and therefore you tend to fall into original eating patterns. I too need to loose weight - 5 stone sad but slimming clubs drive me nuts and yet if I don't join one I can't get motivated. As others have said exercise seems to be key and perhaps a 30 minute walk every day would be a start and maybe lead you to look at other aspects of your life such as diet. I've also read good things about hypnosis perhaps that would be worth a go? Plenty of apps available to download . Good Luck smile

EssexMummy123 Tue 13-May-14 20:41:31

Paul Mckenna has a new book/cd out about emotional eating and also a previous hypnotic gastric band book - would something like that be of help?

A mixture of WW and CBT helped me

JsOtherHalf Tue 13-May-14 20:42:46

I have been doing 5:2 for a few months, and have dropped a dress size. I am a similar size.

Worth considering?

MooseyMouse Tue 13-May-14 21:07:42

I'll join you. I need to lose some weight.

MistressDeeCee Tue 13-May-14 22:44:51

Size 20, OP? Thought you were going to say bigger than that!! I hope you take all the good advice on this thread. Don't do the surgery without trying your best at fat club first. I am not so overweight but do put on weight easily. Im crap with food. I ate little and often, used dumbells and mini-trampoline at home I wont do anything that impacts on my joints. Being able to exercise whilst watching tv really helped me. As well as 15 min exercise segments on youtube. Absolute godsend. What about finding a fellow friend or MNetter who also wants to diet? you can do it

trixymalixy Tue 13-May-14 23:08:38

My sister lost 8 stone through gastric band hypnotherapy. She's kept it all off for must be 2 years now.

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