To be annoyed my DD watched The Croods at school?

(44 Posts)
PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:20:13

She is 7.5, yr 3. Yr 4 teacher was not available to teach her class so they put both classes together and put on a film. The Whole Film.

Now. It's not that I don't want my DD watching The Croods particularly. I don't want her watching any film at school tbh. Unless it's a special occasion, or a relevant film to something they are learning.

If I don't take her to school so she can go to the aquarium, or any other fun thing i feel is appropriate before school, or took her out for an event, I would get into trouble, it would not be 'authorised' or appropriate. So why is it ok to put on a DVD for 60 children so the teacher can do something else (more important than teaching 60 children?) for over an hour?

I get that sometimes events beyond the teacher's control happen, and in those situations, things need to be juggled, but this was not staff sickness, and surely there were other things they could do - reading, PE, art? Or at the very leaf watching something a bit more bloody educational than The Croods?

it's not like it's a rare occasion. It happens relatively regularly.

<sigh> <dons hard hat>

EatShitDerek Mon 12-May-14 20:22:28

I love that film! Its only 90 mins long or something so what did they do for the rest of the time?

Mrsjayy Mon 12-May-14 20:23:34

I was going to tut you but you said it happens a lot, thats not right is it, I wonder if any of the other parents feel like you, maybe band together and approach the school about it ,I think as a one off or end of term its fine but not like you have said,

NeedsAsockamnesty Mon 12-May-14 20:24:07

Life is a education no matter what is happening even if that's watching the croods

We used to watch films if the teachers were doing parents evening. In 2000 we were allowed to watch the majority of the Sydney Olympic opening ceremony, it was brilliant. Other times we were forced to watch the miracle maker, which was not brilliant.
I was going to suggest that if it was a rare occurrence then YABU, like for a parents evening or something. But if it's regular, that's a bit weird.

whatchatalkinboutwillis Mon 12-May-14 20:25:15

Well if 2 year groups are together due to one teacher being unavailable then the other teacher cant be expected to teach 60 children, especially when they're at different stages in their learning. Most 7 year olds would get bored reading for an hour all at once, it's impossible for one teacher to teach pe to 60 7/8 year olds , and how is watching a movie any different to drawing? YABU

Bowlersarm Mon 12-May-14 20:26:25

You need to trust the school a bit, don't you? The teachers presumably know what needs to be done in a day/week/term/year, and act accordingly.

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:29:31

I would be fine if it were something like the olympics, or similar and she has seen the croods a million times.

I don't even mind too much at the end of term as a treat. They work towards house points and if they get over a certain amount they watch DVD and have popcorn (they can 'choose' a fun activity, they always chose DVD and popcorn!) and I fine with that. But, regularly she will tell me about the film she watched at school.

90 mins might not be long but a school day is not hugely long. I do know that teachers are run ragged and have to juggle a million things, so I don't want to appear unsympathetic. But, I would prefer it if I had the option to just take her out for the morning if I am not at work/DH is not at work and do something else for that time.

LauraChant Mon 12-May-14 20:31:42

When I was five the whole of my infant school got to watch The Wizard of Oz on the massive TV. Apart from me. Because the reason they had to get the whole school together was that I had run away from school and all the teachers were out in their cars combing the estate for me.

Anyway, I do think YANBU if it is a regular thing, I think it is OK as a one-time thing.

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:32:41

every in fact, actually, if they had even shown them the eurovision song contest that would have been good, being a national thing. <did I even say that aloud?> But, I can't imagine for a moment DD will go 'i remember the time we watched the croods at school! it was so much fun!'

I remember my teacher once having the flu or something in secondary school. She was so sick she stuck on a UB40 film for us. That was awesome! But it was only once, so a treat. We didn't even really like UB40!

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:34:25

laura grin oops! I don't think it was a reason like that. DD said she was 'in some meeting' but she is 7.5 so don't actually know what the teacher was doing but as it's a small school I would most likely know if it were an absconded child grin

ProfessorBranestawm Mon 12-May-14 20:34:30

Love that film. Always get a bit misty at the end where Eep says "I love you too!"

<misses point of thread>

Two classes put together with no notice, maybe no time to gather materials for art, etc for 60 children and probably no room to do that in either ... unlikely year 3 children would get much out of reading for a whole hour ... teacher probably had no time to think up activities of which the more <<ahem>> involved parent would approve ... I think a film is fine. It is a great film; good story line, lots of stuff to discuss. I could think of several learning intentions which I would link to it. The fact that you cannot take your child out for a similar out-of-the-ordinary event is nothing to do with the school; it is the government which has decided this for no good educational reason at all. Give the school and teachers a break!

I think as a one off it's fine, but you've said it's something that happens regularly and as a teacher, I don't think that's good enough. I'd be complaining.

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:37:00

LaBelle A critique of The Croods? I shall ask if that happened when I go in tomorrow. I suspect not grin but I get your point.

CrohnicallyHungry Mon 12-May-14 20:38:04

YAB a bit U- presumably it was an unplanned, short absence by the regular teacher (maybe something like needing an emergency dentist appointment, we have had that occur before, or childcare problem). Firstly, supply teachers are mostly booked up/unavailable by about 9am. Secondly it costs the school for a full supply session for a 90 minute absence. So if the school can manage by putting 2 classes together, it makes sense. Of course, 60 children in a single class can't do anything meaningful, there won't be enough space and the noise is dreadful. So a DVD makes sense. The time wasted will probably be caught up later in the week as the teacher will have pre planned the week's work and will try and fit it in elsewhere.

Of course, if the absence was planned or for a full morning/afternoon then YANBU.

soverylucky Mon 12-May-14 20:38:29

This should not happen regularly - as a one off it isn't too bad. I remember us all watching the raising of the Mary Rose, Fergie and Andy's wedding and BMX bandits on the reel to reel projector. Happy days!

Asleeponasunbeam Mon 12-May-14 20:44:32

Our headteacher would have the our heads on a stick if we did this.

If my DD's teacher put on a film, I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest. Except she's mostly terrified of all films, so poor teacher would have a great deal of screaming to endure.

I don't know what The Croobs is. Off to google.

Asleeponasunbeam Mon 12-May-14 20:45:43

It looks great! Maybe a precursor to some topic or other...?

grocklebox Mon 12-May-14 20:47:47

Shes seven. Are you afraid shes missing trigonometry and mandarin?
Chill out.

ClashCityRocker Mon 12-May-14 20:52:56

Fine as a one-off, not so good if it's happening regularly.

I remember watching Aliens once at thirteen in class....that ruffled a few feathers. We were supposed to be comparing the use of film noir to some old film noir detective film, but spent most of the time hiding behind our hands. I think the teacher did get a bollocking though.

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:57:31

grockle not bothered that she is missing out on applied maths or whatever, but her handwriting is shocking, so a bit of time practising that would not be disapproved of.

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 20:57:57

clash I bet that teacher did grin

grocklebox Mon 12-May-14 20:59:57

Presumably the other 59 kids didnt need the handwriting practice. Do that at home.

FTS123 Mon 12-May-14 21:00:47

gringringrin at LauraChant!!

ThinkIveBeenHacked Mon 12-May-14 21:01:19

YABU.

If my LO came home and said she watched a movie at a school I trusted and think do a good job overall, my response would be "oooh what a nice treat!! was it good?"

whatchatalkinboutwillis Mon 12-May-14 21:01:41

The teacher can't give every child a separate educational task to focus on hmm

Nanny0gg Mon 12-May-14 21:05:20

I don't think it's fine as a one-off.

I can't believe that there were no TAs who couldn't have been drafted in to do some meaningful art/ICT/writing activity under the supervision/guidance of a teacher
Not to mention, my HT would have come in and taught if necessary.

I think at this stage in the term it's pretty poor.

Asleeponasunbeam Mon 12-May-14 21:10:27

Have they got Ofsted tomorrow?!

Drafting in a TA means that another class cannot do what their teacher had planned. Schools do not have banks of TA's sitting about waiting to leap into action ... our HT is always either teaching anyway, in meetings or doing vital administration. She already works until at least 8pm most nights, before someone says that she should do that after the children go home.

nipersvest Mon 12-May-14 21:13:37

"I can't believe that there were no TAs who couldn't have been drafted in to do some meaningful art/ICT/writing activity under the supervision/guidance of a teacher
Not to mention, my HT would have come in and taught if necessary"

it's SATS week though, i'm guessing other staff may well be tied up with that.

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 21:18:11

no ofsted as far as I know, had one last year? i am sure I would know if it was.

The only thing I can think of is that it's SATS tests this week isn't it? So I guessed she was prepping for that? But, that is planned, it's not short notice, so something could have been worked out for that, or, as I said earlier, I would not have objected to the option of taking her out of school for 1.5 hours and doing something else with her if it was a planned meeting of some kind and they could not plan anything other than a DVD.

I mean, DD was perfectly happy to watch it. I didn't moan to her about it BTW. I said 'oh did you? all of it? that was a nice treat? where was the teacher then?' or something. I am just moaning on here. I know better than to undermine teacher decisions in front of DD whether I agree with them or not.

ICanSeeTheSun Mon 12-May-14 21:19:29

I remember once that the school couldn't cover a class, so that class ( mine) got to go home for the day.

My mum wasn't happy because I was soooo boored

PavlovtheCat Mon 12-May-14 21:23:01

ican that happened to me actually! Except my mum could not get me, so I and another child got to go into a class that was above us, which we thought was Cool As! Obviously after being hugely gutted we couldn't go home with the rest of our class.

CrohnicallyHungry Tue 13-May-14 14:54:59

If she was in 'a meeting' then that could be anything and may not have been planned.

For example, there could have been a safeguarding issue to deal with (like a child making a disclosure), or a behavioural one (a child intentionally injuring another). Both of those are emergencies that need dealing with sensitively and as soon as possible.

Newlywed2013 Tue 13-May-14 16:10:01

Is it possible that the teacher who was stuck in a meeting is the child protection officer for the school and has been called to an urgent meeting that has arisen due to a child making a disclosure and a plan of action has to be in place by the end of the day for the safety of a child?

Ludways Tue 13-May-14 16:18:13

Once in a while I don't mind, on the last day of last term in DD got to watch Frozen as her house had won the house points awards thingy. I wouldn't like it if they did it a lot.

cricketballs Tue 13-May-14 17:32:02

There could be thousands of reasons that the teacher had an emergency. For example I once had to rush to collect my DS as he had put a chisel through his hand in DT! There was no one available to covet my class for 30 mins, so they had to go to the hall where the HT got them playing dodgeball whilst she continued to have a meeting (in the hall)!

Given that you said there were 60 children means at least 2 teachers missing which sounds like an emergency (despite you being at a small school there are things that will not hit the rumour mill).

The easiest excuse to give students "Mr/Mrs X is in a meeting" so I wouldn't give any credibility to the reason given to the children's reports

Raptorrrethy Tue 13-May-14 18:37:20

I live abroad, and there is a lot here about the education system which I dislike…however, if the teacher is away you have the option to keep your child at home if you want to. They do provide a temporary teacher but the choice is yours. I'm still waiting for both DCs' teachers to be absent on the same day so we can have an unexpected day together but it hasn't happened yet!

littledrummergirl Tue 13-May-14 18:44:03

Its sats week. Work in the morning and something fun in the afternoon.
What is more fun to a 7yr old than watching tv when you should be working?
It is also a good way to keep them quiet in a small space as the other dcs still working may well need the space.

mummytime Tue 13-May-14 19:08:41

I doubt she was "preping" for SATs. It could be they needed a trained supervisor and another teacher was off sick.

Waltonswatcher1 Tue 13-May-14 20:13:47

And what about just letting the kids play outside instead ?

I hate tv and wouldn't be happy with it used as a baby sitter in school .

AdorabeezleWinterpop Tue 13-May-14 20:28:08

I'd put money on SATs drama. We have had to draft in emergency invigilators (other class teachers) this week as
a) some children have had a stomach bug and have had to be isolated (so need more adults to supervise them).
b) two invigilators are off sick
c) one child has been panicky and needed extra support

Although I very rarely show films in school (max twice an academic year) they do serve a purpose and I have no doubt that the children will catch up with what they missed. I had to teach 60 children when the other Y6 teacher's car broke down - it's no fun!

BTW - my Y6 will most definitely be given the chance to watch a film on Friday!

feathermucker Wed 14-May-14 02:29:05

Completely fail to see the problem, I'm afraid. They need some downtime. It's a fun thing to do.

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