to think that 'banning' cot bumpers is a bit OTT(130 Posts)
I recently saw a facebook page with a petition to ban cot bumpers because sadly a 9 month old died after suffacating by the cot bumper wrapped around his neck. I can't even begin to imagine what the parents must be going through but still i can't help but think that the petition is OTT.
This is because:
1) with double knots i struggle to get the bumper of the cot myself, it took me 15 minutes to take it off this morning so i could wash it. I check every night that it is secure.
2) I personally use a bumper because i don't want my DS to put his arms through the bars, if he grabs hold of something he wll pull at it until he reahes at it so he can stick it in his mouth, he then slings his head forward over and over ( he's breastfed so he does this to me a lot too, he's saying he's hungry) I would prefer my baby not to be headbutting the wooden bars of the cot. with a bumper he has nothing to grab onto.
3) I think blankets have a higher death rate but as far as i am aware there is no petition to ban those.
1) not everyone is as vigilant as you
2) lots of people specifically position the cot away from other things in the room, which would be safer than using a bumper as a preventative measure
3) link to your claim please
So in short, YABU.
I've never understood the issue with bumpers either. Just tuck them firmly between the mattress and cot bars and tie it securely, and it's way better than having them batter their head off the wood all night (DD) or get arms and legs stuck through the bars (DS).
It's weird, whenever people post on here about them, they get loads of responses saying they are a SIDS risk because they mean less air gets into the cot. Makes NO sense yes post after post agrees with it.
It's beyond awful that a baby died, but I don't think a piece of material needs to be banned because of it. What else should we ban? Presumably cars would be somewhere near the top of the list.
I always understood cot bumpers to be a bit dodgy and hence never used them with my children.
I never used them with my two DCs - couldn't see the need. I felt the bumpers would be more dangerous than poking an arm or leg through the bars. There was nothing near the cot that either of them could reach to try and pull through the bars.
If people can't manage them properly, and in any case accidents do happen, then get rid of them. YABU
Traditional cot bumpers are not recommended in countries including the US, Canada and Australia for the following reasons:
•by restricting the flow of fresh air in and out of the cot, the bumpers may contribute to overheating and re-breathing of exhaled air.
•Just like a pillow or thick blanket, cot bumpers can restrict a baby’s breathing if they come into contact with their nose and mouth.
•The ties used to attach bumpers to the cot can cause accidents if they are pulled loose.
•Older babies may use bumpers as an aid to climb out of the cot.
Overheating, re-breathing of exhaled air and lack of oxygen are all risk factors which have been associated with SIDS (cot death).
If you need a cot bumper you should use an Airwrap instead. Does everything a bumper does but without any strings to tie up and you can breath through it.
I don't understand why more people don't use travel cots and get a proper mattress fitted for it - cheaper outlay plus no bars for banging/getting stuck so no need for bumpers. you can even get ones now with height adjustable bases so no bad backs.
I'm sorry but did you even read what wrote? i said nothing about furniture. where did you get that from?
headbutting the cot and putting his arms through the bars of the * cot* were my issues.
what i have written*
god i need a coffee.
We didn't use DS's cot bumpers for that exact reason, I'd rather him put his arm out of his cot than risk pulling a bumper down on his face or overheat.
Erm, I said nothing about furniture either. Did you read what I wrote?
You said, quote,
"I dont want his to put his arms through the bars, if he grabs hold of something he will pull at it till he reaches it so he can stick it in his mouth"
My point number two was that most people will not have grabbable items in close vicinity of the cot.
My main worry with them is that baby could roll against it and suffocate. We've got an airwrap to stop her poking limbs through the bars and they're also thin enough that she won't be able to use them to climb.
never used them as I never saw a need for them
I had one that did half the cot. House was drafty and after the moses basket both dds had 'space issues. With the bumper it stopped. Removed it when they could stand . It was great for me but it was always pulled tight and tied securely..
I think the thing is that by selling them, it makes people think they're required/ a good idea. This confused me when I had DS as I had read that they're dangerous. If deaths have been associated with them I'd agree with a ban.
PourquoiTuGachesTaVie - thanks for the airwrap recommendation. I've never seen one of those before, they look prefect for what I need.
When I had my baby I found it odd that the bedding 'starter packs' sold in mothercare included things like bumpers and thick fleece blankets. I felt it was misleading to sell and market items for newborns that you would only really use for an older child, or not at all in the case of the bumper.
I used them with dd1, who is now 23. However by the time dd2was born, 20 years ago- there were doubts about them being safe- so I didn't use a bumper with her. So this isn't a new thing.
Infact many things changed between having dd1 and dd2. Another example is with dd1 we were told under no circumstances must babies be allowed to be on their backs- they would chock on thier own vomit. 3 years later we were told we MUST put baby on their backs. It was quite scary doing that!
I got DS bumper with a cot bedding set from tesco. It doesn't go all the way around the cot.
He doesn't like travel cots, even with his cot matress so visiting people is a nightmare.
I do understand where you are coming from though.
See, I think I must be missing something.
It's said that cot bumpers can cause overheating and lack of fresh oxygen, yet new babies sleep in moses baskets which also have (higher) sides to them covered in material, and I've never seen anyone say they are a SIDS risk.
I think I'm missing something, maybe?
And to whoever said they should be banned as some people might use them incorrectly - that's just crazy, really.
I use a cot bumper at the moment had I had no idea that they were a hazard, I will be taking it off today.
My family thought that I was mad buying DS2 a new mattress for the cot that I used with DS1 but if spending a bit more money ensures the safety of my baby I think that you cannot put a price on that.
Thank you for the air wrap suggestions.
Here's the NCT page which lists cot bumpers in the SIDS risk section and says they should not be used for infants under 1 year old.
The something i mentioned was the bars, he pulles them until he reaches them and bangs his head on them. his arms are only small, my worry was his arms getting stuck through the gaps or he grabs hold of the bars pulls at them and then tries to eat them, thus hitting his head on the bars.
my bad i should of worded that differently, it made sense to me.
one word, teething
I think the regulations for cots mean the bars are spaced to stop arm injury and heads getting stuck etc. adding bumper protectors add extra risk to the bed which was "safe".
I'd be happy if they were banned. I';d also ban the selling of second hand mattresses and car seat.
I don't have any bumpers, but I have always wondered the same as corporaterockwhore- if cot bumpers are a risk of reduced air flow and suffocating against the fabric them why aren't Moses baskets?
(Sorry meditrina I don't actually think the link answers that specific point)
I used them with my 2, as they were both headbangers. I was aware of the dangers, but as someone else has already said, moses baskets are surrounded in a similar way, and they are apparently ok to use. Blind cords have also caused death in children, yet blinds with cords are not banned.
I thought you weren't supposed to use them after 6 months.
I think banning is ott, but perhaps safety testing needs to e more stringent, and safety guidelines should be clearer.
YANBU. Not sure what kind of bumper they had but the the strong bits I had on my DDs would barely fit round her wrist. Plus she loved looking at the pictures while she tried to fall asleep and it saved her little arms being stuck in the bars. I personally think cot mobiles are far more dangerous
I plan on using them because I think they look pretty. I'll remove them or re-evaluate when the baby can roll.
Just add it to the list of things that make me a bad mother, along with working, sleeping and eating!
We were told at antenatal classes not to use cot bumpers due to increased risk of SIDS. We used Airwrap.
I think all babies are different. Some parents here don't see the point of cot bumpers, whereas I think I would have invented them if they didn't already exist. From about four and a half months DS was too active for the bednest and as soon as we put him I the cot he would start a gymnastics routine that would often end in limbs through the cot bars. No, his head didn't fit through but arms and legs did. We have breathable bumpers now and at least that problem is solved. He can't suffocate with them. At six months he still spins and rolls in his cot bumpers keep him in and make it slightly softer when he inevitably bumps up against the sides of the cot.
People roll on top of babies and kill them, the duvet in the grown up bed suffocates them too but I haven't seen co-sleeping being banned yet!!!
Popel just need to make sure they are tied very tightly and the sticking is good.
A child never died from bumping their heads on a cot. If something has caused a babies death it should be banned.
I use a travel cot because all my dc have been head bangers.
Safe cosleeping doesn't provide any additional SIDS risks. Unsafe cosleeping like falling asleep on the couch is always included with safe cosleeping stats.
Offically you aren;t meant to do it. check out this shocker of an ad
I would be happy for them to be banned
I know of x2 children who nearly died from them. That's quite a lot seeing as I don't know 1000s of people.
One was a friend from school who's mother old me she managed to slide up cot and suck the ties ( which were tied tightly), and started gagging as the ribbon bits got caught in throat.
Another was a friends son who couldn't roll, rolled one night Into the bumper and was turning blue when they found him, luckily he was in there room and they had woken in time ( was in am), had to spend a week in hospital.
I also don't know anyone who uses baby blankets/ duvets at night with child under 1 year. All use swaddle of some sort with tiny baby, then baby sleeping bags
I'm always quite surprised when I see people using them. I've read/heard several times that they shouldn't be used for under ones so I thought it was common knowledge, but obviously in most cases the baby is fine or they wouldn't sell them so I suppose parents have to weigh up the risk and decide for themselves.
Corporate- Moses baskets are for babies so young they can't roll so the sides don't matter as much.
Once they can roll neither Moses baskets nor bumpers IMO are a good idea.
"If something has caused a babies death it should be banned. "
Tv's on walls.........
You can't ban everything!!
It's not just about risks - it's about benefits - obviously things like co-sleeping deliver significant benefits that have to be balanced against risks and also there are guidelines on how to do it more safely.
There are no benefits to cot bumpers AFAIK - a baby is not going to damage his head banging against a cot bars. If anything - he or she is going to learn not to bang his head as there is no soft surface there.
There just another piece of pointless tat marketed at parents. The less there is of that in the world, the better IMO.
I wouldn't have them banned, but the safety hazards obviously need to be better explained just like we explain not to put RF infant carriers next to airbags, etc.
for families affected.
Besides, I made the ones I used for DC. Nothing could ban me from doing that. Used from about 10 months iirc (usually walking by then).
FSID (well, the Lullaby Trust now), who ought to know, say that bumpers are "not shown to increase the chance of SIDS" but that you should remove them once a baby can roll because they can contribute to non-SIDS accidents.
I hate anything demanding a blanket ban under the banner of "justice for ..." - there's no INjustice been committed - it's a tragic accident and therefore latching onto the "justice" line just annoys me anyway. Raise awareness of the risks - fine, campaign for redesigns of things - fine... but demand to ban something that other parents find perfect valid needs for (the headbangers being mentioned)... sod off please.
I used them for what I think most people who buy them do - they came with the bedding set, clagged them on and went awwww when we set up the nursery, and then none of the bedding set got used anyway as we used sleeping bags instead.
A ban a bit OTT but many people seem to use them not realizing the risks. I had read pre ds that they were dangerous so didn't use. head bumps with a moving baby are inevitable. A lot of people don't perhaps do a lot of research and might not know so a clear warning on packaging could be good.
DS was very wriggly arms out etc, but i never felt i needed them.
The poor mum who lost her dc clearly didn't know the risks - poor poor woman. Very tragic
I dont understand exactly when you should use them then as the Lullabye Trust (SIDS website) says to remove them when your child gets mobile and can use the to climb out but the NCT says not to use them until after 1 year - they both contradict each other.
I didnt use them at all and both my children managed without them
I use an Airwrap on my DS's cot as he is a bar kicker and a fan of the combined kicky pivot and arm fling so I had visions of him getting a limb stuck between the bars (probably impossible but I didn't want to take chances).
The Airwrap is good in that as others have said it fixes with Velcro and it cannot be used as a foothold to climb when baby is older and more agile as it totally scrunches down when weight is applied.
my main issue with the page is that the child died due to strangulation. the bumper wrapped around his neck. That is not a fault
with the bumper, it should of been tied tighter and that particular situation could of been avoided
he actually died of sids if you read the page they had an autopsy and inquest done that was the end reason NOT strangulation
she was an experienced person who regularly checked the ties
it was an awful thing to happen and he is not the only one who has died if he had they would not have began the campaign
it was an awful thing to happen to someone if you dont like it then don't facebook like it
I've also read conflicting info on the use of bumpers on reputable sites such as nct etc about the use of bumpers,some saying use until baby can stand ,others saying not before one year old. Personally I do have one for 16week old but the bumper is at the head of the cot and she sleeps at the foot and as a result isn't actually anywhere near the bumper, its just decoration. But my cot has solid wood ends rather than bars so as soon as she can move I will remove it as its only tied by half of the ribbons so could be pulled if she got at it.
They don't need to untie the knots, they can get their necks in between the top bit of the bumper (between knotted ties) and the cot itself and strangle.
I had one in the cot as they looked pretty, then took it off as soon as my babies were moved from basket to cot.
Slight tangent to cot bumpers, but I read the other day about yet another toddler strangled by blind cords - please, please check for looped cords if you haven't already, and any friends/family houses where your toddler may be out of sight at all.
mrsleomcgary i tuck the ties, along with a couple of inches of bumper down the side of the mattress.
I too have read conflicting advce, i suppose it's like most things pregnancy/parenting related. years ago the advice was to position your babys at the head of the moses basket/cot and some women were ordered by their doctors to eat plenty of liver during pregnancy if they had low iron. peanuts is another good example, they go from safe to non safe and back again quite frequently.
monicalewinski i get what you're saying, but i can't help but think that some inititive will go a long way.
My bumper only had ties around the top so i cut out some scrap fabric and stiitched my own on the bottom. adding an extra couple at the top too. The bottom ties go around both the cot base and the wooden side bars. This makes the bumper extremely secure and any gaps are under the matress and well away from the head. Coinsidentaly this also means the bumper only reaches half way up cot so there is still plenty of air flow. I then check the whole thing is still secure everynight at bedtime. Ds cannot reach the ties, he cannot reach any of the edges of the bumper. he cannot roll either. I feel it would be unfair for me to be 'banned' from using this product when i am indeed using it correctly and safely.
as for the blind cords i have heard a few stories about that and saw a petition to ban those too. But im sure there are other ways to lower that risk. A couple of hooks by the side of the window for example, hook the cord over the hooks and it will keep the cord close to the wall making it quite hard to get your head into. place the hooks higher up if you like so the whole thing is completely out of a childs reach
I think that if manufacturers or shops had to put a warning on them then it would be sufficient. I always thought it was a bit dodgy how shops often sell them as if they were the done thing as part of cot bedding sets.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
sarinka because if you had bothered to RTFT or even any of the posts i have written you would realise that it isn't pointless to me and is actually quite useful. And that i have gone out of my way to ensure that it is the safest it can possibly be.
many many children die in cots without bumpers, they die in cars, pushchairs, bathtubs, should we all get rid of those too?
YABU. SIDS is the number one killer of otherwise healthy babies. There are loads of things it'd be convenient or easier to do that we don't do to keep them safe.
No one would suggest taking a baby in a car without a car seat and that's good - no babies died in cars on Uk roads in the last war data is available.
Even if you've managed to make it safe, it makes sense to ban it if the bulk of the population wouldn't.
That'd be last year not last war.
I wouldn't use them as they seem pointless and risky . But I don't use stair gates ; many see that as unnecessarily risky .
I had to share with my DS until he was well past a year old, and used a cot bumper as a means to hide from him; as he would be too chatty if he saw me in bed after putting him down after a night feed. It worked till he could sit up anyway!
oh, meant to say that I tied it to the outside of the cot, so no chance of it falling on him and it was only along one side of the cot.
Well for a start the guidelines say bumpers are not meant to be used for babies under 12 months!!
My dd is 8 months and has had a bumper since day 1 as despite all the feet to foot crap she has always managed to wriggle to the top and bash her head! I also. Have the side bar padded bumper type things round the sides as she has several eggs on her head from headbutting the bars whilst trying to escape it.
It is unfortunate that a child has died, but as others have said there is no airflow aroundcthe sides of a moses basket, if the ties in their liners are not checked daily they could also cause a death so it all seems a bit ott.
There is clearly more yo the story and i suspect as others have suggested that a degree of negligence on the part of the parents is involved for not checking it was secured correctly to the cot.
I check dd's before amd after every use of her cot. If i don't check it and something was to happen then it would be my fault not that of an inanimate piece of fabric!
There are loads of things it'd be convenient or easier to do that we don't do to keep them safe
Even if you've managed to make it safe, it makes sense to ban it if the bulk of the population wouldn't.
so instead of encourage people to put the effort in to making certain risky things a lot less risky we just be lazy and ban it all together? I'm afraid that does not make sense well to me at least.
Do you have a link to back up your claim? not trying to call you a liar but im intrigued about the stats involving car crashes.
the page has mostly become about safe sleeping since the autopsy findings which is useful
One response we often get to our campaign from people who still use cot bumpers is 'They wouldn't sell them if they weren't safe'.
I wish I could say that were true but the evidence says otherwise.
Cot bumpers pose a risk of strangulation and suffocation. They can cause overheating, a major contributor to cot death, and cut down the circulation of oxygen in the cot. Here's the advice and evidence www.parenting.com/article/sids-prevention. All questions should be answered here.
I'm sure we can all think of products on the market that aren't safe. There are many things that look like a great idea at first glance, but really haven't been thought through properly and the potential risks not taken into consideration. Not to mention the amount of products recalled each year. There were at least 51 product recalls last year just on items affecting children. The overall list runs into hundreds.
What about the kitemark and CE mark? Do you actually know what they mean?
When you see a product with a Kitemark this means BSI has independently tested it and has confirmed that the product conforms to the relevant British Standard, and has issued a BSI license to the company to use the Kitemark. The manufacturer pays for this service and their product is tested, and the manufacturing process is assessed, at regular intervals.
The Kitemark is the symbol that gives consumers the assurance that the product they have bought really does conform to the appropriate British Standard and should therefore be safe and reliable.
Manufacturers are not legally required to display a Kitemark on their products, but many everyday products and appliances such as fridges, electrical plugs and crash helmets have them.
What is CE marking?
Many products such as new toys must meet legal requirements before they can be sold within the European Community, and must carry CE marking. CE marking attached to a product is a manufacturer's claim that it meets all the requirements of the European legislation.
In short, if you buy a product with the CE mark this is only the manufacturer's claim that it meets the correct standards. It has not been officially tested.
The kitemark, while giving you confidence at item has been tested only covers certain things, such as flammability, stitching etc. It does NOT test if a bumper is safe to use in situ with a child, only that the bumper itself meets the standards set out.
It tells you the bumper won't catch fire easily, is made of the correct materials etc but not if it is a suffocation hazard if your baby rolls against it, or can cause a build up of carbon dioxide. That is not covered by the kite mark.
Please do not assume that just because a product is sold that it is safe. There are many badly designed products on the market.
If this has helped you change your mind about using a cotbumper please sign Preston's petition. Cot bumpers can, and have, taken lives. Don't let them take another.
CALLING ALL TO HELP SAVE
We'll keep sharing until the whole world knows the dangers will you help us please? Lets see this go viral it might save a child.
My name is Preston I grew my angel wings on 11/09/2013 aged nine months 8 days. The cot bumper was tied on correctly and knotted tightly but it ripped off from the ties that remained on the cot still knotted.
But daddy found me with it wrapped around my neck twice the investigation could not rule this as the cause so the coroner ruled my passing as SUDS sudden unexplained death syndrome. These facts below will tell you more about the dangers.
Im raising awareness through my mummy and daddys brave decision to share my story and fight to get cot bumpers banned in the uk and have done so since just one week after I became an angel. My grandma and a friend are helping them too.
*COT BUMPERS *
* the SHOCKING truth!!*
We will keep sharing until everyone, right across the world, understands the risks. Every parent needs to know the dangers.
Cot bumpers pose a risk of strangulation and suffocation. They can cause overheating, a major contributor to cot death, and cut down the circulation of oxygen in the cot. Heres the advice and evidence www.parenting.com/article/sids-prevention. All questions should be answered here. READ and be informed.
As well as a list detailing the 27 deaths mentioned in the AAP report we have this.
We have been reluctant to post it as don't want to get accused of upsetting/scaring people, although we think its something people ought to see.
It makes for very distressing reading, have a hanky ready
* If you are convinced enough not to use a bumper then you might not need to look.*
Anyone who is still using a bumper I advise you do read. Then you know why we have to get them banned . If someone had been brave enough to share this then many babies would be here still. Here is a list of deaths by cot bumpers the ages of the babies and how it happened.
Sign the petition as many times as you like with your multiple email addresses.you must check your inbox after filling in your details and click the link within the confirmation email else your name won't be added.
*Click this link and sign
Lets make this Stop !!you can help us make our government listern and help put lives before profit !!! America,Canada and Australia to name just a few are making all aware or banning cot bumpers the UK as usual are lagging behind. They stopped recording accidental deaths in 2005 so gather no evidence. Instead it takes grieving parents to speak out and warn all.
My mummy and daddy were not informed by any authority of the dangers of cot bumpers. They are raising awareness to all in loving memory of Me
Please help love Preston xxx
We are often asked about alternatives to traditional bumpers, but despite their seeming advantages we don't recommend them. We are yet to be convinced that they still don't pose a risk and stick with the advice that a safe cot is an empty cot. There really is no reason to have a bumper at all, as this article explains.
The advice is a safe cot is an empty cot .There have been no studys by health proffessionals into "breathable" bumpers but the AAP feel even these could have a risk of entrapment or strangulation. We dont want by any means to tell you how to parent but we can give you all the evidence so you can make an informed choice. Remember a baby gets squeezed through the birth canal a huge force inflicted on their tiny body and heads their bones are flexable so are the sutures in their skull. To break a limb would be really hard to do by getting it trapped in the bars. xx
Mine are all much older.
In 1991 I was given the advice and it was generally noted that
"Cot bumpers should only be used for 6 months"
Is this still the same? If this is so then the message isn't getting across.
All these cases are so sad.
Many mums think cot bumpers are safe because they have used them without problem. They are NOT safe. That is like saying it's ok for your baby to travel without a car seat because only a few died without them. There is no way of knowing which car will be in an accident, and there is no way of knowing which baby will die because of his or her cot bumper. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE RISK.
There is no justifiable reason for cot bumpers. Parents have been conned by stores and manufacturers that bumpers are a safety item, a 'must have' nursery essential. The dangers are well known to the companies that make and sell bumpers, they just choose to ignore them. They hide behind the glib statement that their products 'conform to safety standards' but all this actually means is they are made of the correct materials, they are fire retardant, the standards of production are satisfactory.
It does not mean that a baby cannot suffocate against them, because they can and have. It does not mean that they cannot increase the level of carbon dioxide in the cot, because they do (tests have proved this). It does not mean that a child cannot choke or strangle on the ties because they can and have. It does not mean that they don't contribute to over heating, because they do. It does not mean that ties cannot snap with fatal results because Preston's ties snapped.
They are not safe if you remove them at six months, or when your baby can sit unaided, because babies only days old have died because of the bumper their parents thought would protect them.
They are not safe if you only use them after your baby is over 12 months old. Children over two have died because of the bumper their parents thought would protect them.
They are not safe no matter how often you check those ties.
A bumped head can be kissed better. A trapped leg can be unstuck. A lifeless baby can only be mourned, and remembered and missed every second of every day.
Bumpers have one use, and one use only, to make money for those who manufacture and sell them. Do not fall for the hype. Bumpers do not protect your baby, they put him at risk every time he goes to sleep. Most people will be lucky. Some won't. Is it a chance you want to take?
Read this to see why the hazards outweigh the benefits.
Please sign Preston's petition.
Say NO to bumpers.
DS used to sleep with his head pushed uk against the cot bars and would wake with a red mark on his face. I bought the airwrap bumper so he could sleep safely. It fixes with strong velcro.
I guess that there is safe bumper use (checking ties regularly, using a breathable bumper, making sure it is used properly ) as there is safe cosleeping - to some any risk is unacceptable on a sliding scale as with many things in life - sometimes in any situation there are dc that are lost and a portion of those will be due to not taking safety measures or reading the risks - a great many despite doing anything wrong.
Personally I think it daft to be putting something into your child's cot that is completely unnecessary and increases sids risk.
Plus, the one set I was given actually said on the packaging that it was recommended I take it off every night. I threw it in the bin.
There is no benefit to "bumpers" and you know you and baby would manage perfectly fine without it.
You're not supposed to even put a teddy in with a small baby never mind put in a smother hazard all around their head.
The spamming is not helpful dontriskit
At the risk of being flamed... To all those quoting sids risks etc
No one knows what causes sids so there is actually no way to actually reduce the risk of it!!!
People can speculate and they can do research to back up their theories but until there is a scientific answer to what causes sids then no one can be proven right or wrong.
The boy dying due to a cot bumper is tragic but the reality is that them being the direct cause of death is very rare
"No one knows what causes SIDS so there is actually no way of reducing the risk!"
Shite, and dangerous shite to boot.
Iggi why is it shite?! It's true that there is no known cause of sids
So there are no factors that have been found to contribute to the incidence of SIDS?
I hope you wait for "proof" in all other areas of your life and don't accept any medical advice unless it meets your definition.
The very definition of sids is sudden infant death. The nhs website clearly states that the causes are known. They suspect certain factors may contribute to the risk but as there is no known cause there is no way to know if they are right or not. So actually I am not talking shite as your pup it.
It is speculation and no more
What has led to the drop in rates of SIDS then? I take it you think that's entirely coincidental and not related to any changes in how people put their babies to sleep?
Yes it's coincidence as NO ONE KNOWS WHAT CAUSES IT
rare or not why risk it?
to put it another way i used to have cats i moved into a house that had a beautiful (and huge) clump of lilies in the garden over 12 months after i lived there i found out lily pollen is highly toxic to cats i dug them out it didn't matter that they had not died in the 12 months or so we had lived there the fact was it was a risk and one i was not willing to take
i don't use cot bumpers or blinds for the same reason
We use Bumpsters here,google cot bar bumpers, they velcro around two bars at a time. I got them because they look cooler than airwrap. We did use a normal cot bumper for about 6 months till I found them though.
Less is more where little 'uns are concerned imho.
Just keep them at a natural temperature
Wheresthelight it may be a coincidental correlation or it may be that the risk factors are indeed the, as yet unproven, cause of SIDS.
I don't think you really understand what you're saying, and I'm not sure why it is important to you to feel no action from parents is necessary.
I understand exactly what I am saying thank you very much.
I am not saying no action is needed by parents but perspective is needed.
This boy died because a parent failed to check that the bumper was secured not because of sids. The bumper was not to blame the parent was - it is tragic but oversight caused this not a piece of material
The ties on Prestons cot had to be cut off after he died they were tied on so tightly. They tore away from the bumper in his struggle to break free.He died
You said there is no way of reducing the risk of SIDS in your earlier post. That wasn't just about this case.
It is that statement which I said was wrong, not how parents should feel about cot bumpers,
And my statement is correct igggi, whether you like it or not there are no known causes so whilst people can do reports into reducing perceived risks there is no way of knowing
OP the data on car deaths I mentioned comes from the office of national statistics www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/dr-table5-2012.xls
Look at 5.19 external causes, v01-99. In the under 1 group l there were no deaths as a result of traffic accidents. I found this data reassured me about a lot of things I was worried about.
As bumpers kill more babies than cars and I'm in favour of car seats being compulsory, I think banning the sale of this product makes sense
use an Airwrap. Airwrap
Bumpers kills babies, that is not an opinion, it is a fact.
How could anyone dispute a fact?
They're not banned in the US, but they're strictly against guidelines. I think they even come with warnings if you buy them. There's no use for them, and they're a risk. I would be happy if they were banned. They are just tat for new parents to spend money on to make the nursery look naice.
Like as been said: safer for a baby to bump their head than suffocate. Better sticking his arms through than suffocating. As little bedding as possible. If you're not meant to put a stuffed toy in, why is it ok to put plump pillowy things all around?
So yes, YABU.
SIDS did not kill the baby in the OP. Strangulation on a cot bumper did.
They are 2 separate issues, why is SIDS entering the fray?
Cot bumpers for under 1's are dangerous, lethal and unnecessary. This has been verified, recommended and is now common practice.
I absolutely cannot see any argument against this.
It's a bit of a flat earth argument, tbh.
WHY would anyone put a cot bumper on their infant's cot, in light of cold hard facts suggesting it may kill them?
Because it matches the curtains?
Bottom line is, if the bumper wasn't there that 9 month old child would still be alive.
No vigilence or checking required if bumper is not there.
No risk from bumper if it is not there.
This was a 9month old, not a newborn. If a bumper poses a risk to a 9m old why the hell use it?
So yes, ban the damn things I say. Sometimes you have to save people from themselves...
I have to say, I am a bit shocked at the posters on here who say they have bumpers, and will continue to use bumpers because they 'look pretty'
Won't sign a petition - any I would have done I won't now because of dontriskit's absolute hysterical, ridiculously emotionally blackmailing, spam.
People haven't said they use them because they are pretty! We have said they serve to protect against what for us is a bigger risk against harm from the cot bars themselves
wheresthelight i think they are referring to one woman that said that earlier in the thread.
I will continue to use my bumper until i see it as a real danger, at the moment it poses no risk.
I'm genuinly shocked that instead of educating people on the dangers and teaching ways how to dramatically lower that risk everyone just opts for 'banning' instead. How very lazy.
you wouldn't see a petition trying to ban motor vehicles because some people are not as careful when driving as others... No you try to correct the issues. bring in speed limits add airbags and a chasis made to crumble on impact. you make changes to make it more safe. why should this be any different? to many a cot bumper is useless and nothing more than decoration. for me its stops my baby hitting his head on the rails and get his little arms trapped in the bars.
I will be looking into those airwrap bumpers, i've never actually seen one but they sound like quite a good investment. does anyone know where they are sold?
Another one person = lots of people sweeping statement!!
Argos sell them but I genuinely don't see that they are any safer. They are a mesh that lines 4 sides of the cot about a third of the way upbthe bars. They still pose the same risk that People are bleating on about on here if they are not checked daily
My ds wouldn't sleep without cot bumpers. I was aware of the risks but made the decision and took precautions.
The bumper was not attached a second time!
Preston was found dead with the bumper wrapped around his neck twice.
The ties were still knotted tightly on the cot.
The bumper now completely seperated from the ties
became a long strip of fabric that twisted like a rope.
The ties were on the cot so tight that they had to be cut off to remove them. Not at the time of death but when mummy and daddy were clearing out the cot days later.
The bumper was tied correctly and so tight infact that when he got caught in it ripped the ties off.
If you read before your mouth got into gear you would have seen its been repeated several times.
Ds was always getting his arms stuck in his bars and used a bumper I'd been given until health visitor visited and told me they were not recommended. I whippped it off there and then. There are a lot of things made for babies: bumpers, baby pillows, baby duvets, walkers etc which parents sometimes get without thinking. I would not use any of these.
Accidental deaths like these are often ruled as SIDS or Like Prestons Sudden unexplained death syndrome.
Because despite the death scene being investigated and the fact the baby was pressed up againgst the bumper or found with it wrapped around the neck.
unless the coroner can prove through tissue samples and blood that the co2 levels where high and or there was tissue damage to the trachea cutting off oxygen they have nothing concrete.
Preston had an abrasion mark on his neck enough to restrict oxygen and cause a rise in co2 cause central nervous shut down until breathing ceased. But not at a dangerously high abnormal level for toxicology to prove that as the cause. So sudden unexplained death syndrome was the ruling.
We now know that cigarettes cause lung cancer. We know this because Sir Reginald Hill discovered the correlation between smoking tobacco and lung cancer. Then, scientists worked out how.
Ah OP, cars obviously have very serious benefits to them, I don't know if you've noticed? They get you from a to b in a hurry? Plus, there are a lot of rules and regulations about how you use a car? Not really comparable imo.
A cot bumper on the other hand is completely useless decorative item. I know you feel you are stopping your child bumping his head or getting stuck in the bars but really, those are very minor events and I would think it likely your child will adapt.
I don't know anything about the airwrap bumper but it does sound like it might be a good alternative.
Just re the "no one knows what causes sids" surely the cause in each case is different - it's not a disease it is an end result which cannot be explained - so there may be many different causes and when studied certain factors increase risk.
eg using a second hand mattress is thought to increase fumes and spores from unseen fungus and bacteria then breathed in by a dc
You can buy Airwrap from Amazon, John Lewis and Kiddicare which is where I got mine.
Before I fitted them I bunched up the whole wrap, put it over my face and nose and inhaled gently - no problems breathing through the mesh at all.
The Velcro means you can pull the wrap really snuggly round the cot bars - bumpers with ties may not line up with the spacings of all cot bars.
wheresthelight gotnotimeforthat I didn't say 'lots of posters', I said 'some posters'
And there are 4 posters on this thread who have said they have used a bumper because its pretty/they put it on and went aaah/they have it at the foot of the cot 'just for decor'/chose one brand rather than another because it looked 'cooler'.
So not one person.
Preston's story is heartbreaking. I had read not recommended after 6 months and he was 9 months plus. A ban would be good but proper warning and labelling ( as I don't think a ban is realistic knowing the commercial world) and knowing many people just don't research things properly!
This post is about my grandson. He died when he was nine months old. His mummy and daddy began a facebook campaign to raise awareness of the dangers of cot bumpers.
Preston died when the ties on his bumper SNAPPED. The ties were still very securely tied to his cot, the bumper itself was around his neck. It doesn't matter how well tied on the bumper is, it can still take a life.
I also know the grandmother of a baby in America who suffocated against his bumper. That too was tied on properly and tucked in well.
These aren't one off cases. Lots of babies have died, and families been devastated, because of bumpers. That's why they are already banned in Chicago and Maryland and a ban is currently going through in Illinois.
Bumpers can and do kill.
You should be aware prestons family have seen this, you should really think about what you post.
They are dangerous. If you choose to put your child at risk so be it, but don't beat down a mother who has had to deal with such an awful tragedy just because you use one despite the proof they are,as stated by the FB page, dangerous and useless!
As mw said to me - a child has never died from banging their head on a cot bar but children have been suffocated by cot bumpers.
I used a travel cot with my later children as they were head bangers
Yabu they are very dangerous and pointless.
There are a number of things which increase SIDS risk but which I have chosen to ignore and do anyway - because my child sleeps better and I have decided that that outweighs the (statistically very small) increase in the risk of SIDS. For example my child will not sleep at 18 degrees so her room is at 21. When she was tiny she would not sleep on her back so we put her on her side.
I chose to take the risk of doing these things rather than make her uncomfortable and more likely to wake. Same applies to cot bumpers. yes there may be (statistically rare) risks attached but without them, she bashed her head and sometimes woke up. I decided the very small risk of SIDS was outweighed by the very high risk of her hurting her head.
IMO this is no different to parents who, for example, choose to take an unnecessary car journey to go and do something fun. There is risk involved in taking that car journey. The journey is not necessary, the parents could stay at home, but they decide that the benefit from the trip is worth the small extra risk. Parents ought to be free to make that decision I think.
I used a bumper up until DS could sit up. checked the ties every night etc. He liked to feel enclosed, he hated looking the through the bars and would refuse to settle to sleep. but he was fine with the bumper as he could as he felt enclosed. I understand there is a risk but I don't think it's a very big one in terms of likeliness to happen and to me they were a godsend it took me three nights of zero sleep and plenty of crying to work out why he was upset. there are so many things that carry a risk, I wont live in fear of them all.
Products like these that carry risk should come with proper labelling, so you know how to minimise the risk. I also think all bumpers should have ties on the top and bottom of the bumper instead of just the top like the one that came in a bedding set I bought for my niece.
it should of been tied tighter and that particular situation could of been avoided
Jesus I really hope you just worded that sentence badly and didn't really mean what it implies
Cars haven't killed babies. Careless drivers have killed babies.
I sleep much better knowing my child hasn't got one of those useless, dangerous pieces of crap in his bed. I would much rather wake up to comfort him if he had a banged head, or his arm/leg was stuck, or just couldn't sleep to find him lifeless the next morning. I can't actually believe that some people still use them.
I just had a look at the facebook page, this thread is adding to the hurt of the family concerned and is not useful if it just complains about their campaign.
There does need to be a conversation about things like bumpers. Personally I do not think banning something because a child has died works, simply because someone will be along inventing something else dangerous.
It doesn't matter whether it is a blind cord, bumpers, a duffle bag - it is the same, it is tragic, it is something that should not happen.
Raising awareness of what you should not put in a cot (anything that is not the baby, mattress and bedding) or in reach of a child, is the most useful thing to parents.
Getting parents (and other carers) to see danger or possible danger in any object is what needs to happen.
Tbh. Who the hell picks this as an AIBU?
There were warnings about this 17 years ago when I had DS.
So it isn't new news.
I didn't use them - and Ds slept fine - didn't get his arms stuck through the bars, didn't get cold.
YABU. It's your choice to put dangerous things in your cot with your baby. Maybe after reading this one person takes the bumper out of their cot and prevents a death. YABU to try and prevent people warning others about a very real danger.
Join the discussion
Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.Register now
Already registered with Mumsnet? Log in to leave your comment or alternatively, sign in with Facebook or Google.
Please login first.