to think I do not deserve this...

(63 Posts)
superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 21:53:19

Death tthreats at work that is. li am a teacher. Ok..I do find a crowd of teens hard to control. Does this mesn I deserve abuse? I am great st my subject. High hraded. Shit at politics. So long teaching..im bored of being told im shit

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 21:54:06

Sorry typos. Drunk.

oscar126 Fri 07-Mar-14 21:57:29

YANBU. Record and report.

CuttingOutTheCrap Fri 07-Mar-14 22:02:54

of course you don't deserve it. Have you reported to your head? have they taken any action?

Oakmaiden Fri 07-Mar-14 22:05:31

Goodness me - threats from who?

I would consider reporting to the police...

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:06:45

Oh I have.. and this is why I am no longer interested. Apparently if a child is abusive towards you then it id because you are crap as a human being . Ok...I am not the best at crowd control but neither do I want abuse. I am a high flier in my subject area but this is not enough. Young people need more...er...entertainment?

Lucylouby Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:15

No, you don't deserve abuse and definitely don't deserve death threats. But the children in your classes don't deserve a bad teacher. You may be good at your subject, but if you can't control the students should you be standing at the front of the class.

Oakmaiden Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:31

Have you been teaching long? Could you consider a post in a different school?

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:35

Oh yes. Have reported. It is evidence about how i am a shit teacher. :-( my predecesor was bullied out. Now I know why.

maddening Fri 07-Mar-14 22:09:05

go into a-level or university lecturing?

Onesleeptillwembley Fri 07-Mar-14 22:09:30

Exactly what lucylouby said.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:13:54

I am not good at controlling kids whilo make death threats. I have got great grades from those who do not.... my line manager is not intetested because they are a 'bit chatty ' never mind the fact that I have gpt top grades from.them before dhe hadeven started marking. Silence in class= not always good. Level 7+ = great for year 8. Boss = not interested.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:15:45

Sorry typos. My students so far have got very good grades despite everything so doing something right.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:16:04

You're not a shit teacher. Times have changed and a great many kids are entitled little shits these days. Look how they treat each other. It's like fucking Lord of The Flies.

What type of school are you teaching in?

maddening Fri 07-Mar-14 22:16:51

ps it shouldn't happen, your school should support and protect you and you should be able to do the job of teaching. I don't know how you can fix it though so imo I would just move on and if the situation is like that in most schools then I would teach at a higher level only where you have students that want to learn not ones that you seem to be there just to contain until they go home.

It's not right for you and it's not right for the students that want to learn and the pupils acting in this way need to be supported too as there must be something wrong to behave like that in a class or anywhere.

why is it that the law doesn't apply in schools - if anyone was abused this way or as in bullying situations anywhere else it simply wouldn't't be accepted - why any different when the setting is in a school? How are schools meant to approach these situations as per whatever regulations cover schools - surely there should be protocols followed and that should be standard or minimum expectations in dealing with these cases.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:17:12

You shouldn't be posting this in AIBU. You'll get people having a go at you just because it's in this crappy section sad

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:19:27

I got in as my lesson plan was miles better than everone else. Once in, management want me to do complete silence exam questions for 8 weeks. No wonder they are bored and kicking off.. My hands are tied.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:20:19

It is private...very posh. Ugggrrtr.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:22:11

There's too much emphasis on results these days. Dh does fencing with some secondary school teachers and two of them are on the edge and some of their colleagues are too sad

It's a tough profession that's for sure.

Couldn't you rethink you career and move into higher/further education or something?

Maryz Fri 07-Mar-14 22:22:32

superstar, I feel for you, but if it's a private school are you very, very sure you aren't identifiable?

Because if you are you need to get this deleted.

I think you need to move jobs, go to a different school for starters.

JumpingJackSprat Fri 07-Mar-14 22:22:40

Some teenagers are absolute twats.i went to school with a few of them not so long ago and it was like a sport - who can make the teacher lose control first. I wouldn't be a teacher for love nor money.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:23:23

Of course...our parents are paying xxccc . Our students say xxxxx I say bollocksxxxcccc. Ive had more cheek Iin the private sector than the state sector and I aay that ad an ex private school twat.

Scarletohello Fri 07-Mar-14 22:23:36

No job is worth sacrificing your mental health for. Ever...

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:24:41

Couldn't you move back into the public sector? Your school sounds like a tough place. You'll end up having a breakdown if you continue like this.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:26:29

Im givinh up completely! Hurrah! Ish.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:27:16

You're planning to give up teaching?

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:32:41

Yes. Its shit. Noone is interested anyway. Not when thsy have you tube and face book.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:34:25

And nowadays if you give detentions then ijt is because you are shite.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:36:05

Are you allowed to speak to their parents? If I was spending all that money on a private education for my little chick I'd want to make sure he/she was working hard because I'd expect a return in the form of a decent degree from a decent university.

Forgettable Fri 07-Mar-14 22:36:26

Oh man that sucks big ones

Fuck em all

What will you do for employment now?

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:38:16

I'd phone their parents. They'll get stick of them for sure.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:41:19

You know what...I dont even care about emplyment for noe. Im a realky intelligent hunan being with great grades and lotts of talents.. or if all else fails then I get benefits.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:42:18

Spelling when drunk isnt a talent of mine.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:42:47

Couldn't you do some extra studying and alter your career path? Will you get unemployment benefit if you give your job up? Don't make any rash decisions, think things through.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:44:31

You see in a lot of privaye school parents eyes, their precious child couldnt possibly do wrong. WHATEVER!

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:45:03

Ibe

They're making you do silent exam questions then telling you you're not entertaining enough? I'd be fucking off out of there too (and I did fuck off, 2 years ago. I teach lovely adults now).

A colleague of mine was told by a feral teenager that he hoped her unborn baby died. Nothing happened. We heard a group of 12 year old girls in English class discussing how they were going to allege that their Tech teacher had hit one of them to get her sacked. Very little happened. One of my students drew a massive swastika with an arrow pointing to me and held it up at the front of the class. When I referred him to the pastoral team I was told I'd overreacted and it should have been a quiet word at the end of the lesson. I could carry on but I don't have to deal with that shit any more.

I was a good teacher. I could control classes. I cared about my students. I couldn't control the chair-throwers and I'm glad I don't have to try any more.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:47:19

No discipline in the home. Parents are scared of upsetting their little chicks in case those chicks turn against 'em. It's bollocks. Parenting is a social responsibility, not a sentimental pastime.

Tiredtomybones Fri 07-Mar-14 22:47:54

I gave up teaching last year. It had become an absolute nightmare. I found out I was pregnant just after I handed my notice in so haven't even tried to find another job. Teaching is not the job it was when I started in 2000. Good luck with finding something else. No one deserves to be threatened at work, or any other time.

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 22:48:02

Sorry. Have already given in my notice. Hate it sonmuch.

Oh and OP, in case you're an English teacher: be bloody, bold and resolute. You're better than this.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 22:49:00

Well, it's best you're out of that school then. Onwards and upwards.

What are you going to do?

YellowTulips Fri 07-Mar-14 22:55:35

Leave and do something else.

You sound as if you are highly qualified. Use those skills and training in another profession.

It's not working out for you. Life's too short to spend on a career that isn't working out.

Teaching isn't just about qualifications. It's about being able to engage the toughest, most unsympathetic audience in the worst on topics dictated by someone else. It's a tough gig and I am in awe of people who can do this.

The teachers on Educating Yorkshire made me cry. The effort, dedication, skill and compassion to their pupils was inspirational. It's a true vocation.

It sounds like you no longer feel that. So do something else and put your skills to use doing something you love. thanks

hiddenhome Fri 07-Mar-14 23:03:05

Kids in this country should value education, not demand to be 'entertained' sad They should also have respect for others.

Maryz Fri 07-Mar-14 23:04:27

Some parents will support you. We aren't all blinded by our children's wonderfulness, some of us realise our children can sometimes be little shits.

ds spent three hours recently scraping chewing gum off desks as a punishment for lateness.

Some people may think it was harsh, but I thought it was great. He was persistently late, and then "forgot" to turn up for a detention. So got another long, unpleasant one.

To be fair to him, though, he accepted it happily. And was quite cheerful about taking his punishment on the chin.

Your problem may not be the children, it may be the school. So if you are sure you aren't a shite teacher (and if you are, look to retrain), then change schools to one that will support you.

And ffs, when you wake up (and sober up) get the thread deleted smile

superstarheartbreaker Fri 07-Mar-14 23:05:23

Its a shame as I love my subject A* gcse, 2.1 degree. Love teens etc, etc. What am I doing wronv then? Hate being blamed for bad behaviour when management tie my hands.

indigo18 Fri 07-Mar-14 23:08:48

You have my sympathy; know how it works. Put in detention - makes you look weak for not 'engaging' them in lesson. F**k that. some have no intention of being engaged. Ever. Write them a bad report? Other staff give a good or average report for a quiet life. Makes you look bad again for not getting the best out of them. Meanwhile they snigger, made snide remarks, interrupt, challenge and challenge again. Like to see Gove doing it...

Maryz Fri 07-Mar-14 23:09:16

If your lessons are boring, change them.

If the school won't let you change them, then you need to move school.

Handing in your notice is probably a good idea, try another school before you give up teaching though. And wherever you try, remember the first few weeks will be awful while they challenge you, but then if you are a good teacher and if you are allowed to teach, it will get better.

ChampagneTastes Fri 07-Mar-14 23:11:19

Sounds like a horribly unsupportive environment. Have you considered a state school? What subject do you teach? Are you relatively new to the profession? May be able to offer advice if you want it. Feel free to PM me.

superstarheartbreaker Sat 08-Mar-14 03:40:30

I have bullied now in all 4 schools I have worked at so not going back.

Thumbwitch Sat 08-Mar-14 03:50:19

Hiddenhome - some parents actually encourage their children in their shitty behaviour, telling them that they are more important than some teacher (who, in their eyes, wouldn't be in teaching if they were actually any good at anything).

It can be a soul-destroying situation to deal with and I, for one, wouldn't undertake it for 3x the money they pay. More! I taught at University level, vocational students who wanted to be there, and that was great - any sort of attempting to teach students who don't want to be there, or who feel they are somehow superior, is something I wouldn't and couldn't do.

Superstar - they have lost a valuable teacher, by the sound of it - and if you are high enough up in your field, move to tertiary education if you can. Even 6th form college is better than secondary school.
I do hope you reported the death threats to the police though - you really should have, and still should in fact - might bring it home to the little darlings that they can't just say what they like to whomever, however much money Daddy and Mummy have.

Thumbwitch Sat 08-Mar-14 03:51:29

Ah sorry, just remembered as I pressed post that you HAVE reported it to the police and got an utterly shitly dismissive response. Write to the police complaints dept about the shit response as well.

If you have been bullied at all 4 schools you have been at, you need to look at a different age range or type of teaching. I frequently teach youth financial literacy and manage to do it with very challenging youth. I won't give the classes to the other facilitators because, frankly, they would be eaten alive. Helps that I was a shit, bored, cheeky, arrogant, intelligent teen. I know what to look for.

Find something to do that you are good at. Not just facets of it.

superstarheartbreaker Sat 08-Mar-14 04:23:31

No I didn't report to police but did report to slt. Shitty response.

superstarheartbreaker Sat 08-Mar-14 04:24:41

In past schools I have been bullied by staff rather than students. Many of my classes said how much they liked me and were sad to see me leave.

superstarheartbreaker Sat 08-Mar-14 04:25:44

I won't report to police... Never goes down well.

Thumbwitch Sat 08-Mar-14 04:36:12

Ah no, you really should report it to the police - why on earth would you let the little gits get away with it?! It might not "go down well" but you're giving them completely the wrong message by bowing down to it and bowing out. You are completely within your rights to leave, I don't have a problem with that - but since you ARE leaving, why not report them? They won't be able to get to you since you won't be working there any more, and any cyber-stalking/bullying that might occurs would be another criminal offence so they'd be stupid to attempt it.

These young soon-to-be-adults really need to learn about consequences of their unthinking stupid actions/deeds/words - let it be your last lesson to them, please.

superstarheartbreaker Sat 08-Mar-14 05:36:30

Thing is when doing supply the head wanted to hire me as I had a very challenging class eat out of my hands. But I chose the other place.

Eebahgum Sat 08-Mar-14 05:56:19

You're not alone in considering a career change. Many teachers in state sector are looking to leave too. Well done for being brave enough to hand your notice in. We deserve to be in jobs that make us happy, or at the very least don't make us miserable.

WanderingAway Sat 08-Mar-14 06:16:23

I really think that it is a bad idea to post when drunk.

The whole situation sounds shit but i just wanted to say that if you leave a job you cant get unemployment benefits from anything from 13 weeks to 3 years.

lastnightIwenttoManderley Sat 08-Mar-14 06:20:13

OP - did you do a PGCE or go straight in to teaching?

It's a bloody hard gig - dh teaches and I do the occasional lesson alongside my main job. Dh O's leaving his current school as the head is completely ineffectual and, recognising that the patents are his income stream, panders to them. Result is that the staff ate totally unsupported by the SMT who have even been known to override disciplinary procedures as parents think little Johnny can do no wrong...

Boys are generally good, but the lack f consistency has just become too much for dh.

Do you think.it's a specific school issue or that traching may not be the right route for you?

Pippintea Sat 08-Mar-14 06:45:15

OP YANBU. I have seen this happen. Some schools don't deal with the entitled ones, the chair throwers, the loud agressive dominant bullies. In some schools teachers are expected to contain these students without support.
I would love the parents to see how their DC behave in school. Some would be shocked but my guess is that many would laugh along because their DC are a product of them.

superstarheartbreaker Sat 08-Mar-14 07:38:58

Wandering...that's why I'm looking for a new job. I'd rather stack shelves. The whole thing has made me feel like shit.

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