WillKat's second honeymoon...

(316 Posts)
louloutheshamed Fri 07-Mar-14 06:09:46

They've gone to the Maldives without Prince George apparently (it's in the dm)

Seriously?? Think this might turn the tide of public opinion against them...seems its just one long holiday being the D and D of Cambridge....

crazyspaniel Fri 07-Mar-14 07:13:58

Well, they need a holiday - him to recover from the shooting holiday in Spain a couple of weeks ago, and her to recover from the Mustique holiday last month. I think she may even have put on a posh frock and "worked" for a couple of hours in between. No wonder they're exhausted.

BraveLilBear Fri 07-Mar-14 07:23:21

Lucky them. DS was born practically the same day as PG and we would love a holiday... except I'm back to work Monday and the childcare bill is a shocker.

I'm surprised she's ok about leaving him alone that long though - guess she's definitely not breastfeeding sny more.

katienana Fri 07-Mar-14 07:24:26

I like them but am shocked by this just makes me think tbey are the same old royals...Can't imagine choosing to be so far away from my baby for so long.

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 07:26:47

Let's hope it does turn the tide of public opinion against them.

Vive la Revolution! wink

Middleagedmotheroftwo Fri 07-Mar-14 07:29:57

If the baby is in good hands, why not? He is first GS for doting GPs and probably has a very competent nanny.
If I could afford holidays every few weeks, without the baby, I'd take them too.

hippoesque Fri 07-Mar-14 08:35:00

Probably worth remembering the DM's angle is always going to portray them badly. I've read today's article (don't flame me, baby was awake all night!) and the tone of it is just so sneering. Drives me bonkers as it's shit journalism designed to invoke everyone to hate the royals.

FWIW I do think they live a very privileged life but there is nothing I can do about it so can't get to the point where I'm that arsed about where they are in the world.

Well off couple in thirties takes winter holiday. Hardly the stuff of revolutions is it? Why do people care? You aren't paying for this holiday.

DrankSangriaInThePark Fri 07-Mar-14 08:41:18

I haven't had a holiday since dd was born. She is 10.

But I certainly don't begrudge them theirs.

crazyspaniel Fri 07-Mar-14 08:41:30

They're not paying the massive security costs for the holiday, and for their child to be staying at his grandparents, out of their own pocket, are they? Of course the taxpayer is contributing to this, and to all their other holidays.

AgathaF Fri 07-Mar-14 08:43:58

Bet the DM's got the long lenses already set up for the sunbathing photos.

expatinscotland Fri 07-Mar-14 08:46:32

Shocker. Been so long since their last holiday.

Nanny0gg Fri 07-Mar-14 08:48:02

<idly wonders if they read MN as well as the Other Place>

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 08:48:08

Do people have annual honeymoons then? I thought second honeymoons normally came 10/15/20 years after the wedding? Who is calling it a 2nd honeymoon- DM or the palace?

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 08:49:31

Because it's just yet another holiday, surely?

AgathaF Fri 07-Mar-14 08:49:40

fideline i guess it's a similar thing to those people who renew their wedding vows on a regular basis. Never really got the need for that, either grin.

Gigondas Fri 07-Mar-14 08:51:01

What crazy said.

Don't judge for leaving pg as it's their child and he is hardly going to be left in his cot alone.

Gigondas Fri 07-Mar-14 08:51:52

Expat I am not sure how they managed with so few breaks.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 08:52:21

Of course!Will and Kate our answer to Seal and Heidi Klum!! That makes sense of so much.

They should be encouraged to renew their vows in different cathedrals annually, preferably in fancy dress. Tourism practically depends on it, in fact. smile

ProlificPenguin Fri 07-Mar-14 08:52:35

Having lots of money seems to make people happy to leave their children, maybe because they have good Nannies? I have a great Nanny two days a week as I work and I could imagine maybe leaving baby over night but for a longer time when I am out of the country no. I think this will dent their popularity too.

I know someone who took a month long honeymoon leaving her three children behind, youngest aged 3, no Nanny she used her Mum and sister. Children moved around in the four weeks and sometimes separated. I couldn't do that.

Roseandmabelshouse Fri 07-Mar-14 08:52:54

I fully plan to go to the Maldives if my pregnancy goes well and I have a healthy baby. My parents actively encourage caring for the grandchildren weeks at a time to allow 'couple time'.

OhMerGerd Fri 07-Mar-14 08:52:59

Yes we are paying for the security and their general upkeep even if it only 3p or 0.5p per taxpayer for this jaunt I'd rather my share went to ensure our schools didn't have to be outsourced to private companies/academies, better maternity provision so that babies can spend a few more weeks with their mums and our elderly had a hot meal every day if they're unable to cook for themselves.
A week in The Maldives for anyone (royal or not) is not what I pay my taxes for.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 08:53:51

Of course the multiply-vow-renewing Seal and Heidi thing didn't end well hmm

meditrina Fri 07-Mar-14 08:57:29

The security costs would be much the same wherever they are, and it cannot be much fun to know that you have to be body guarded all the time as there are people who would deliberately seek out you or your baby to harm or kill.

I was still on maternity leave at 7 months and if I had GPs with whom I could leave a baby happily for a few days, I think I'd have done it.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:02:35

I really do not think we should pay security for their holidays. I was talking to a man who does security for them/other royals and quite frankly it is appalling how the team are at the royal beck and call. It must cost a fortune - it would be interesting to know how much is spent on security at the tax payers expense.

Apparently this isn't included in the figures when calculating the cost of the royal family and the more I learn (from this chap I was talking to) the more shockingly big I think the figure must be.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:04:47

The security costs are higher for holidays surely. The security team have to go in advance (even if the royals just go to a holiday home in UK), need extra staff as security has to be enhanced in areas where the physical security is less, travel costs, overtime costs (staying away the team get extra payments I am sure), etc etc.

For holidays they should pay for it themselves.

KonkeyDong Fri 07-Mar-14 09:08:21

These two really piss me off.... Life's one long holiday.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:13:17

In an ideal world everyone should have an annual holiday and if they are in danger as a result of the position he was born to then funding security for an annual holiday seems reasonable (?)

torcat Fri 07-Mar-14 09:13:50

I am shocked that they've left George, I thought they wanted to be 'normal'? I just could never do that. Haven't spent a night without my DS now 2, which is perhaps a bit OTT, but we've got no one to leave him with. I could now leave him for a weekend, if we had suitable help, but that's it. My parents left me with my grandparents at the age of 2 and a half, for 2 weeks, as my father was terribly ill and needed to recover. Apparently I cried the entire time, developed a stutter and when my mum came back, I asked her if she was my new mummy, as my old mummy had left me! So I guess that influences my view!

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:14:14

It will be interesting to see if these are the two that finally break the royal family. I do think the tide of public opinion is turning. They haven't yet showed a commitment to work or the public. They may think they have time to do that later in life when they are more senior royals, but the problem is that mud sticks and now is the time impressions of them will be being made.

Either their advisers are doing a bad job, or they are too arrogant to listen to them.

Or maybe I am wrong - its just that in RL (both at home and at work) - I do not hear a good word about the RF anymore and yet my parents were complete fans of the older royals and will kat when they married. Their opinions have changed.

The only Royals I ever hear good about nowadays are Anne and her mob.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:14:33

Can't see these two restricting themselves to one annual family holiday supplemented by a cheap romantic weekend in Bruges or Venice, however.

formerbabe Fri 07-Mar-14 09:14:56

Disgraceful....talk about work shy!

They are parasites and my opinion on them goes down every time I read about ANOTHER holiday!

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:20:27

Nothing will change. I remember the same being said of Charles & Diana and Andrew & Sarah in the 80s/early 90s during that recession. RF do what they like and keep pumping out the press releases about hard working duchesses and paternity breaks.

My irritation with them is entirely futile. Can't even sustain it for long. We're a nation of sheep really sad

StanleyLambchop Fri 07-Mar-14 09:21:21

William is apparently also missing time on his course at Cambridge- would any other student just get to take time off like that for a holiday? I suspect you would be expected to take a holiday in the university holidays, not term time. I quite liked them in the beginning but I am starting to lose respect- loads of people in this country are really struggling and we are supposed to all be in it together- so not expecting the taxpayers to fund the security during their expensive holidays would be a small sacrifice for them.

Slipshodsibyl Fri 07-Mar-14 09:22:54

William is supposed to be studying agriculture on a specially prepared course at Cambridge University for 10 weeks. Perhaps this is field study?

KarenBrockman Fri 07-Mar-14 09:25:02

I think they should give up the crown to someone who is going to do some work if they just want to go on holidays and do the odd bit here and there.

They do nothing, no wonder they are nick named the dolittles.

Diana must be spinning in her grave.

No wonder Princess Anne didn't go to the christening, she would must look at this like this hmm with all the engagements she does per year.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:26:38

Fideline - but surely there are less people interested now than there were in the 80s/90s. We have a larger population, more mixed population and the older generation who loved the royals are dying off.

And to be fair to Diana she did appear to get immediately stuck into the work of the RF and appeared to do quite a lot of it (in causes that mattered to lots of people like HIV, mines etc rather than the arts). It may have just been good PR, but the public are more aware now of fake PR and not as naive? WillKat don't appear to even try to woo the public with their work ethic and openly appear to be quite dismissive of the general public, media etc which has surely got to get peoples backs up over time. They also appear a lot more arrogant than Dianna did - and Dianna was surely a saviour to the RF in the 80s?

Things may change surely?

formerbabe Fri 07-Mar-14 09:28:45

Let's not forget Wills moved a few sandbags a couple of weeks ago...

IamInvisible Fri 07-Mar-14 09:28:50

WTAF does she need a holiday from? She doesn't do anything!

DH and I are planning our first child free holiday, our kids are 19&17, we never had GPs who would look after ours.

KarenBrockman Fri 07-Mar-14 09:30:09

I think this workshy stuff comes from Camilla and Charles. Camilla does bugger all as well and Kate was supposedly styling herself on Camilla at the beginning.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:32:01

slip yes i wondered that- maybe he is inspecting sugar plantations or somesuch.

frog the most ardent royalists I have met recently have been some first generation pakistani immigrants and an assortment ofelderly jamaican ladies.

I'm no royalist myself and I must say Kate Middleton does not seem any more enamoured of work than when she was unmarried. They will continue with eight holidays a year though and we will continue looking a bit shock. Just pointing out that they do not care what we think. Bit foolhardy of them really.

Gigondas Fri 07-Mar-14 09:32:41

Stanley strictly speaking at Cambridge the rule was (and not sure it's changed) you had to be in residence for so many nights per term (it was pretty much whole time). Special permission was needed if you went over that.

As this is a joke special course these rules may not apply. Though by any stretch,a 10 week course is short so you would think you would need to cram in study time.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:34:48

Oh come on former William and Harry saved loads of little people from the scary floods. They rolled their sleeves up and everything. It took a whole half hour. Poor dears must be shattered.

Has he really taken time off a course that was designed especially for him!? That can't be the case.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:38:24

Oh yes, I forgot about the sandbags. So while the residents of the UK hit by strong winds and floods continue to recover and suffer, and the most in need continue to struggle to pay for heat and food, the young royals go on holiday at great expense to both themselves (acceptable) and the tax payer (not acceptable at times like this), leaving their child with GP (which may or maynot be acceptable depending on personal choice but surely their advisors realise it will alienate a lot of people who don't agree with it and make them appear selfish to a lot of people (not saying it is selfish but they will appear so to a good number of people)).

Compare that to the potential picture of Katherines staff organising an emergency benefit bash, with her hosting it and being seen to help decorate the room or prepare for it in some way, with tickets selling for thousands to the rich and famous and all profits being donated to the country as part of a storm relief fund to help those in need. And then immediately being seen to join will on .....
And will taking his staff out and helping with the rebuilding efforts, or going on tour round Wales and UK to those areas affected to raise the profile of the struggle.

They have lots of help at home, doting gps, no washing or ironing to do so its not rocket science is it. And wouldn't realistically be that tiring to them bearing in mind they have very little to do on the domestic front.

StanleyLambchop Fri 07-Mar-14 09:39:57

That is the trouble though Ginodas, I expect he has obtained special permission because of who he is! The university won't be able to say no to him (just like Prince Edward, who got into his degree course with grades that would not have got anyone else in) Fine if they are open about it, but they then try and pretend they are just like any other young couple with a young baby- err, no, just admit you are rich, privileged and don't give a shit about 'normal' people. That attitude certainly works for George Osborne!!

SuperScrimper Fri 07-Mar-14 09:40:02

Why can't we show them that we think they are taking the proverbial.

I never understand why people just think we have to accept this forever. On this day and age we don't need them. The old 'the contribute more to the economy' line has been proven to be false.

Sack them. Stop paying for them. Open up the palaces for tourists. Jobs a good'un.

KonkeyDong Fri 07-Mar-14 09:41:40

frog wash your mouth out! Suggesting the young royals do something constructive..... Your head will be on a block before you know it grin

It's hard, y'know, with all that expectation on their shoulders and never having a day off from being 'royal' hmm

Considering the amount of people professing not to care about these two on mn there's an inordinate amount of poxy threads on them.

Ubik1 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:46:02

Look they are rich people.

They don't give a fuck about your life. Of course they've gone to the Maldives.

louloutheshamed Fri 07-Mar-14 09:47:24

Ironic that last week the papers Were full of how they were taking pg to Oz as they are such hands on devoted parents...

No way could I have left my ds at 8mo.and gone to the other side of the world ...I went away for a weekend at 18mo and that was enough. But then he was a boob monster...

(will totally get flamed for this but wouldn't you think that the future king of England would have the best of everything...which he isn't, if he's not bf)

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 09:47:55

Is that right, William has had a course specially designed for him...at Cambridge University?
And if it is, he has taken time out of a ten week course to go on Holiday?
Is this really true? confused

StanleyLambchop Fri 07-Mar-14 09:50:58

Loudloutheashamed - maybe he has a wet nurse!

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:51:04

Ubik They are supposed to be rich people who need our support and agreement to continue.

Go on then * Super*, sack them. Today. I'll hold your coat grin

Mignonette Fri 07-Mar-14 09:51:26

Lazy sods on our dime.

Lighthousekeeping Fri 07-Mar-14 09:52:05

Maybe the still have wet nursesgrin

formerbabe Fri 07-Mar-14 09:52:43

Anyone would think they are taking prince George to Oz for a publicity stunt....

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:52:56

I bet their PPOs are happy though

ColdTeaAgain Fri 07-Mar-14 09:53:13

Yeah such a down to earth, normal young family hmm
The Duchy is doomed when Wiliam takes over sad
And is Kate ever going to do anything commendable with her privileged life other than turn up to the odd public engagement?

When are we going to wake up and realise that the 21st century does need a family of over privileged spongers swanning around the world at our expensive!

MyGastIsFlabbered Fri 07-Mar-14 09:53:23

Can we not turn this into a thread about BF....please?

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 09:54:08

I think there's a lot of people on here who don't care about them in a "Gawd bless 'em, ain't they lavverly, her so pretty an' 'im so tall an' 'andsome, lavverly couple they are, lavverly".

There are a lot of people who actively dislike the institution of the Royal family, and start threads about it. You can see the difference, can't you?

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 09:54:49

That was to minniethedevilmouse

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:55:11

Maybe she has been pumping like mad and frozen a weeks worth of milk. And will contine to use breast pump in Maldives!

Who knows. I don't care if she chooses to feed or not feed. I do care that money needed elsewhere goes on them when they have enough to fund things themselves.

Maybe they are funding security etc and all associated costs themselves and we are getting our knickers in a twist for no reason. Mind you, I still think they should support 'their' public far more than they do and spend less time on themselves and less time on holidays. They do appear to be as lazy as sin.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 09:57:18

Margot you should be on the stage grin Great Eliza Dolittle that was

olidusUrsus Fri 07-Mar-14 09:58:06

I don't understand what it means when people say "we aren't paying, they're funding themselves". We are their funds surely - everything they earn from is eventually linked back to us, even if it's indirect - inc the Duchy due to it's refusal to pay tax.

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 09:59:33

If this course has been specially designed for him, then is he the only one on it? Is there some farmer/lecturer left twiddling his thumbs in Cambridge whilst his erstwhile student lives it up in the Maldives? grin.

I couldn't give a toss if they've left their son, or how he gets his milk. I am pissed off with the monarchy fullstop.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 10:00:34

They are independently rich though. And that money will continue to grow - money makes money.

What is done is done and even if the money historically came from the taxpayer, that is no different to most 'gentry' type wealths surely.

What do you mean the duchy doesn't pay tax? I don't know anything about that.

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 10:00:51

Fideline fank yer kindly, my lavv wink.

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 10:03:14

Like all the arguments about what a fantastic tourist attractions they are.
When does anyone ever see the fuckers...really?
And if they ARE a tourist attraction why aren't they and their tax funded palaces open to the public?
It's not like the hoi polloi are going to be traipsing through their sitting rooms and looking in their kitchen cupboards is it?

Bring on the revolution.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:03:22

Maybe they've taken a Cambridge Don with them? The Royal equivalent of taking your textbooks on holiday?

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 10:03:25

Fideline - I bet their personal protection officers are more than happy!!!!

On a different note, I didn't know that the met can travel on public transport to their jobs free of charge from anywhere in country. So when they commute by train in the mornings to London they get free travel as long as they are willing to step in if their is a fight or something.

Is this right? Or is this just royal officers?

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 10:04:25

Let them keep their palaces and stately piles and just bugger off and fend for themselves.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:04:34

"When does anyone ever see the fuckers...really?"

Heh. That's my quote of the week Gertie.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 10:05:48

If they are such great tourist attractions, perhaps there should be a special 'live' room in the tower or madame taussards where they have to sit and read, or dance or perform in some way so the tourists can see them!!!! Ive never got that argument either.

I suppose on weddings, funerals, state occasions people come to see them. But aside from that they are just looking at the outside of palaces - we would make more money by seeing the inside!!!!

venturabay Fri 07-Mar-14 10:05:56

Minnie I care a good deal about the freeloading by unelected people with not an obvious shred of merit between them. Agree strongly about the revolution - long overdue.

specialsubject Fri 07-Mar-14 10:06:11

bit harsh to slag her off for possibly not breast-feeding (We don't know).

maybe she can't. Maybe it hurts too much.Maybe she really hates it. I know people who stopped for all these reasons, and support their choice.

I wouldn't swap with Kate for anything - a lifetime of endless observation, attending boring events and abuse such as this. OK, so there are definite compensations but I still wouldn't swap.

we've bigger fish to fry.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:06:54

I've now got this mental image of Gertie standing outside Ken Pal yelling "Get out 'ere where I can see you, you fuckers"

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 10:08:13

Exactly! It's not like they throw the doors open for a meet n' greet with a horde of Japanese tourists (Philip would be 'unavailable' I suspect).

ColdTeaAgain Fri 07-Mar-14 10:08:35

Its only about a month since their last holiday, must need a rest I suppose!

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:08:56

Exactly frog. The palaces are much more interesting than the inhabitants.

Quinteszilla Fri 07-Mar-14 10:10:21

The royals are the envy of a nation, but even more important, they are role models.

Who needs entitled, privileged, holidaying, benefits-receiving work shy spongers as role models?

No wonder the country is going to pots, with role models such as these...

If Britain wants a shake up, they should start from the top, not the bottom.

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 10:14:48

I just googled, he started a ten week course on the 7th of January so that should finish around the 18th March.


NotMushroom Fri 07-Mar-14 10:15:26

Aren't they 'redecorating' again because they didn't like the first lot of redecorating?hmm So that's another million down the drain then.

They really are leaving themselves wide open to people wondering how much value for money they actually are.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:16:26

Maybe they had to build in a trip to Maldives in the middle because his stamina is known to be poor? Maybe it's an optio they offer to all old Etonians?

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 10:17:19

So that's where I've been going wrong Fideline.

I've been outside Buck Hice.

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 10:19:01

Maybe he has such a blinding intellect he has finished his course early <cough>

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:19:39

Glad to have been able to set you straight Gert grin

Do let us know when you decide to try again, I'll pop along to watch.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:21:50

You know the Maldives beano could be a field trip. That Guardian article does mention field trips.

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 10:24:38

My Geography field trips were to the fens and Rutland water. sad

olidusUrsus Fri 07-Mar-14 10:25:19

frog www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/14/prince-charles-estate-tax-avoidance - there's loads more info if you google it.

I wouldn't want Kate's position either, but TBH I doubt she finds it soul destroyingly boring (as I would) because she seems like a very boring person.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:25:44

Not his fault his negotiation skills are better than yours Gertie


I like it

"I know let's build in a field trip to study agriculture in a coastal environment to see if the ideas can be used in Cornwall. What about the Shetlands?"

"Isn't Cornwall warmer than the Shetlands?"

"Isle of White?"

"Well its not really as exposed to ocean effects as Cornwall"

"So we need somewhere warm and exposed to ocean effects?"

"How about the Maldives?"


fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 10:33:45

Yes Chaz that'll be how it happened wink

angelos02 Fri 07-Mar-14 10:38:02

Why not just scrap the royal family and once a year, pick a family at random, give them millions of pounds a year, access to hundreds of mansions, tens of thousands of acres of land and expect everyone else to bow to you.

All that family needs to do in return is rock up to a couple of events a month and cut a ribbon.

NotMushroom Fri 07-Mar-14 10:50:28

Well ok...it's a huge sacrifice, but I volunteer. No, no need to thank me...grin

Quinteszilla Fri 07-Mar-14 11:03:23

Maybe he is studying how to introduce sugar canes to Cornwall?

(Though I think rice is a better bet, the way things are going)

NewToAllThis11 Fri 07-Mar-14 11:05:52

I must admit to being surprised that they (especially Kate) was willing to leave PG to travel so far away for, presumably, a week. I can understand it more of William because he was brought up in the RF, but she wasn't and I doubt her parents left her when she was 8months old to go on a long haul holiday. However great her parents are, they are his gps and PG will surely miss his mum. I would love to go to the Maldives right now, but I'd take my 11 month old DS with me because I'd miss him too much.

Branleuse Fri 07-Mar-14 11:07:36

theyre wankers

FreudiansSlipper Fri 07-Mar-14 11:11:24

public opinion is changing thankfully William will be the downfall of the royals

won't be long now grin

Nanny0gg Fri 07-Mar-14 12:11:06

(will totally get flamed for this but wouldn't you think that the future king of England would have the best of everything...which he isn't, if he's not bf)

Um. Consider yourself flamed.
I think that was a horrible thing to say.

toldmywrath Fri 07-Mar-14 12:15:30

I haven't read the DM article, so I cannot comment directly on that. I love the Queen & I think Anne's a trouper. Shame everyone is commenting so nastily about HRH'S W & C - surely she hasn't been seen much 'cos she's on maternity leave.

SuperScrimper Fri 07-Mar-14 12:30:44

Maternity leave from what?! Are you actually being serious?

KarenBrockman Fri 07-Mar-14 12:31:39

As hacked off at the pair of them as I am at not doing as much as their peers, if they were opening something local to me and I was free, I would go down for a nosey at them. blush

There is so much we don't know - and don't need to know.

We don't know how Kate has been since she had the baby. Has she loved every minute? Has she been a bit down? Has she suffered from serious depression? We don't know how George has been fed, how much time he's spent with grandparents, how easy or otherwise he is. We don't know if she's trying to stop breastfeeding because of the tour or if she never started. We don't need to know any of this stuff buut it's only decent to muster the imagination to concede some of it is possible.

What we do know is that a three week trip is on the horizon where both of them but particularly Kate will be under the magnifying glass all day for the majority of the time. They will be spending time apart from George including two overnight stays. I don't care if they are chained to his cot in Kensington Palace or off having a relaxing time as a couple. It makes no difference to me what they do.

zeezeek Fri 07-Mar-14 12:36:09

Ok, so WE pay for this couple of useless idiots who don't actually contribute anything to the economy to have a second honeymoon in an exclusive resort.

In the meantime the rest of the country are suffering from floods, storm damage, the financial consequences of that, along with cuts to benefits, pay cuts, increasing costs of living, fuel poverty, lack of food, some people unable to get to work because they can't afford the fuel or the public transport........

I know I'm a republican, but surely even the most fervent Royalist can see that this is not right?

MaryWestmacott Fri 07-Mar-14 12:37:32

Hmm, re the breast feeding, isn't Prince G now 8 months old? How many woman are still breast feeding past 6 months? Don't most aim for the 6 month mark if they are going to do it? I know I didn't get as far as 8 months with either of mine and while most of the woman I know breast fed for the first 3-4 months, few were still breast feeding beyond 7 months.

Anyway, I have heard a rumour she has had PND. While a holiday now might not be the best for PR, I can imagine if you're living with your DW suffering, and you could afford it, you might just do whatever you can to help, including an extra holiday for just the two of you. (of course the PND rumour could just be internet nastiness)

MargotLovedTom Fri 07-Mar-14 12:41:04

Well the Internet is also awash with rumours that she's pregnant again, maybe even twins, so I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

bubblegoose Fri 07-Mar-14 12:52:25

Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 12:56:28

I think guillotining would be a tad OTT bubble

LessMissAbs Fri 07-Mar-14 13:00:07

YABU. I don't share this obsession of hounding people because some people have political agendas to push.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 13:02:11

Hounding!? confused

Ubik1 Fri 07-Mar-14 13:10:43

DD2 is still trying to figure out the royals:

"So they are really rich but we give them money, mummy?


"But what do they do? Is the queen in charge?


gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 13:11:16

grin at hounding.
Someone will be saying next that all Republicans are just jealous.

I say, and have already said, let them keep their palaces and stately piles and bugger off and fend for themselves.

No guillotines or axes, just live off your own wealth and pay your own taxes.
Isn't New Zealand voting soon to chuck them?

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 13:12:03

They have been hounded all the way to the Maldives. grin

LtEveDallas Fri 07-Mar-14 13:16:36

The Prince of Wales's life and work are funded predominantly by the Duchy of Cornwall. The Prince of Wales does not receive money from the Civil List, but the Grants-in-Aid paid to The Queen's Household are used, in part, to support His Royal Highness's official activities

The Duchy estate was created in 1337 by Edward III for his son and heir, Prince Edward, and its primary function was to provide him and future Princes of Wales with an income from its assets. The Prince became the 24th Duke of Cornwall on The Queen's accession in 1952

His Royal Highness receives the annual net surplus of the Duchy of Cornwall and chooses to use a large proportion of the income to meet the cost of his public and charitable work.

The Prince also uses part of the income to meet the costs of his private life and those of his wife, The Duchess of Cornwall, and his sons, Prince William and Prince Harry

The Duchy is tax exempt, but The Prince of Wales voluntarily pays income tax at the highest rate on his taxable income from it


But there is no good reason why the Dutchy should be tax exempt. If Charles didn't voluntarily pay tax I'd be lobbying for the law to be changed so he had to.

I use my income to meet the costs of my private life and that of my husband and my two sons. And I too have been taxed on that income. Why should he be treated any differently to me?

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 13:36:21

Then he really won't mind paying all his costs and those of his extended family, including security etc.

That would help.

But I don't think it would help the turning tide against the RF (even if they didn't cost a penny to the taxpayer) as I think a lot of it is simply that the institution is out of date. There is no other area of life where you can be in a position of authority without earning it or being democratically elected. The days of cap doffing are thankfully on their way out. In most areas of our life now, you work to deserve a position of authority - doctors and barristers are now not only the preserve of the rich and don't need daddy to get you in. Landowners can't treat their tenants as badly as they used to be-able to. Its not perfect yet but progress is being made.

Ubik1 Fri 07-Mar-14 13:37:38

They're basically sheep stealers

LittleBearPad Fri 07-Mar-14 13:41:51

I like the idea of a field trip.

I'm not so keen on their endless holidays.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 13:45:21

I wonder how Edward III got the land for the estate to be passed down?

Did he steal it from people? Followed by having people executed if they complained?

venturabay Fri 07-Mar-14 13:50:46

What has Ed 111 got to with it? confused. This bunch are barely related.

LtEveDallas Fri 07-Mar-14 13:51:20

I'm not convinced there is a turning tide against the RF. I just think people are more vocal about it now. Or rather people have more platforms in which to make their views known.

Maybe one day the RF will be abolished, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime, nor that of my children.

Maybe I'm wrong, but they do no harm to me or mine (or tbf, anyone else), so I just cannot get excited about it.

venturabay Fri 07-Mar-14 13:52:03

Cross post kim - mine was directed to LtEve.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 13:53:23

Do you think having the Royal Family is a good thing in a democratic society?

NinetyNinePercentTroll Fri 07-Mar-14 13:54:07

I couldn't care less.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 13:55:39

Apart from the dubious tourism argument - what is the point and purpose of them?

Why do we need to put one family on a pedestal and give them all these rights and responsibilities as well as burden them with a sense of duty which stops them being who they truly are?

BrandNewIggi Fri 07-Mar-14 13:56:51

It does seem odd not to take the lo, given they would have nannies on hand to give as much child-free time as they wanted.
Unless the weather has been an issue? Somewhat ignorant as most of my hols are spent in a series of leaky caravans in the UK...

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 14:05:32

Have they had a proper family holiday together? No touring, meeting people. Just spending time as a family on holiday?

Because that's what leads to arguments is so much fun grin

fluffyraggies Fri 07-Mar-14 14:07:59

It's the ''oh we're so noooormal'' crap that gets me. Who is advising them? They need sacking who ever it is.

Back last year, the morning after their 'first outing without the baby' (except it wasn't) i started a lighthearted thread about how cringe-worthy i found all the stuff in his speech about how he and kate are hanging onto their mobiles in case they get a call. <simpering laughter>

Oh yes ..... AS IF they might have to leap back in the Bently car and be driven race back to the palace home because PG's grizzling hmm Purlease!

It would at least feel more honest if the palace press machine just let them get on with enjoying being rich and privileged and stopped patronising us.

Lavenderhoney Fri 07-Mar-14 14:10:08

You mean they are missing Cheltenham races? Slumming it on the Maldives when they could be getting amongst the hoi polloi? I suppose a bikini is more attractive to put on than an overcoat, especially when you've nothing to do all day except get thin for the press.

I expect their security love them.

She might be a bit buggered though, the forecast for the Maldives atm is rain. Still, as its a second honeymoon she would be expecting to see nothing but ceilings, perhaps.

And viva la revolution. As long as that fucker tony Blair doesn't slither back and try for president.

TillyTellTale Fri 07-Mar-14 14:13:23


7th of January? Cambridge and Oxford's calendars always confuses me., But that sounded early. According to here, Lent term this year is Tue 13 Jan - Fri 13 Mar.

GandalfsBeard Fri 07-Mar-14 14:14:45

Personally, I hope they have a good time and ignore all the plebs anti-Royals.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 14:19:03

Good thing they aren't gay. Gay people aren't welcome in the Maldives.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 14:20:46

And let's hope William doesn't commit adultery over there as that would be bad for the women.

toldmywrath Fri 07-Mar-14 14:22:13

LavenderHoney As long as that fucker tony Blair doesn't slither back and try for president Well said that woman/man!

EasterHoliday Fri 07-Mar-14 14:23:13

I judge them for going to an oppressive regime where women are publicly flogged for the extra marital sex crime of rape... (& I think it's a pretty chavvy destination... My judgy pants are right up there)

SybilRamkin Fri 07-Mar-14 14:31:16

What NannyOgg said. That was a shite thing to say.

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 14:33:12

"It would at least feel more honest if the palace press machine just let them get on with enjoying being rich and privileged and stopped patronising us."


We all know that we have a fabulously wealthy RF (ahem) in charge, I don't why we have to be spun to as we if are complete muppets.

The ordinary schtick really is the most annoying thing about W & C and rather undermines the excuse reason for all their very extra-ordinary shenanigans. Including constant holidays and specially convened University of Cambridge courses.

Ok, so how do we get the spin doctors sacked? smile THAT might be acheivable

fideline Fri 07-Mar-14 14:35:03

"She might be a bit buggered though, the forecast for the Maldives atm is rain. Still, as its a second honeymoon she would be expecting to see nothing but ceilings, perhaps. "

Lavender! I'm not sure where the treason line fals, but you must be getting close to it! smile

If he were gay, would we now have equal marriage in Church (considering it's their Church)? Or would he get his own, special, just for two marriage arranged for him? Or would they get him a 'wife'

Puzzledandpissedoff Fri 07-Mar-14 15:33:12

... she would be expecting to see nothing but ceilings, perhaps

Love it!!!

Mind you, George is - what? - about 7 months old now; maybe they're planning another pregnancy wink

TheZeeTeam Fri 07-Mar-14 15:44:07

The much publicized "Second Honeymoon" does kind of suggest they've gone away to have sex, doesn't it? Ergo, she's got herself knocked up by a Mauritian waiter and this is the cover job. There'll be an announcement in a couple of months, you mark my words wink

OneMoreCupOfTea Fri 07-Mar-14 15:49:26

They are perfectly entitled to have a holiday paid for by themselves if they chose, and I'm sure most of us, if we had their money would love to go on holiday that often. What I find really galling is that a large proportion of the media, especially the BBC, and many in the general public, think that these people are somehow better than the rest of us, and treat them with deference and bow and scrap before them. I might not be royalty, but I work hard at my job and provide for my children, and I refuse to accept that royalty are any better than me.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 15:50:51

Don't tell Nicholas Witchell that grin

gertiegusset Fri 07-Mar-14 15:54:03

HaHaHa at Nicholas Witchell, Charles' favourite news chap!

ExcuseTypos Fri 07-Mar-14 15:55:42

The preaching about hunting by Will, who then went off on a shooting holiday, was ridiculous.
A second honeymoon is just taking the piss.

kim147 Fri 07-Mar-14 15:59:17

No doubt the press office will have them do some stunt so they get good PR in a few weeks.

Spin and propoganda.

Puzzledandpissedoff Fri 07-Mar-14 16:36:03

Actually, I take back that remark about possibly starting another pregnancy in the Maldives. I'd forgotten their upcoming Australian tour, and considering how sick Kate was last time, I doubt they'd risk ruining the visit

Damn all to do with me, how they plan their family, of course ... smile

gertiegusset Sat 08-Mar-14 10:12:25

It's all in todays papers, let the revolution begin. grin

ExcuseTypos Sat 08-Mar-14 10:19:18

The only excuse I could think of, is that they are having a few 'issues' and need a bit of time and privacy to sort things out.

SingingGerbil Sat 08-Mar-14 10:20:59

Personally, I wouldn't care if I knew they were footing the bill entirely, including security. It's just so galling that they get all those freebies when people here are choosing between heating and eating and surviving on a pittance.

Financeprincess Sat 08-Mar-14 11:48:25

Anybody who feels sorry for them because of 'press intrusion' (which I'm all for - we're paying for the idle sods - dance, monkeys, dance) and the need for bodyguards should consider this:

If we offered William and Kate new lives of complete anonymity, living in, say, Port Talbot, him as a plasterer and her as a hairdresser, do you think they'd jump at the chance?

No, nor do I.

I'd like to know why the lazy bar stewards need a press office. As others have remarked, why do we need to have stories spun to us? We can see straight through them.

I'd put QE2 on a salary plus clothing allowance and travel. She'd still bring in a few tourists. The rest of them can fend for themselves. No civil list payments. No security paid for by us. No tax privileges.

ivykaty44 Sat 08-Mar-14 11:56:54

dolittles is a great name - a whole lot of other people though are out and out spongers celebs don't pay for stuff companies send it to them and the cost goes onto the other products they do sell.

Mps get subsidies of well over a million for their lunches in parliament

when you are rich it seems the rules are

Bonsoir Sat 08-Mar-14 12:01:53

I expect they are trialling leaving George in the hands of his nanny before their tour of Australia. George and his nanny need time to get used to one another.

She is expected to produce an heir and a spare.

kim147 Sat 08-Mar-14 12:41:42

That's her job.

Be a clothes horse.
Look good next to William.
Produce an heir and a spare.

What life is that?

The life she chose.

ExcuseTypos Sat 08-Mar-14 12:45:21

Bonsoir, the baby is going with them to Austrailia.

kim147 Sat 08-Mar-14 12:45:39

After seeing what happened to Diana, I think she will pay a price. Mental health or something.

FreudiansSlipper Sat 08-Mar-14 12:48:35

she is not like Diana who was always rebellious

she is shielded and seems to want to stat that way, she had years waiting around staying hidden out of sight for much of the time

maybe one day she will get bored or maybe she likes the life of doing well very little

kim147 Sat 08-Mar-14 12:50:18

Bored. That would sum it up.

Holidays, being kept and being a clothes horse. Not very fulfilling.

FreudiansSlipper Sat 08-Mar-14 12:52:37

for some yes

but not for all

oohdaddypig Sat 08-Mar-14 13:00:10

I don't envy them any of it. Apart from the lack of sleepless nights smile

I also quite like how they do things their way. They probably don't give a toss if they are judged or not.

Personally I couldn't leave my baby that long, nanny or not. That bit has surprised me.

Puzzledandpissedoff Sat 08-Mar-14 14:22:23

I'm just remembering all the positive comments they attracted when living modestly on Anglesey; he went to work at the helicopter base and she'd go shopping locally like any other wife

I wouldn't grudge anyone the odd holiday but it does seem a bit extreme to keep flying off like this; I just hope they're not going to follow in Charles' footsteps with his spendthrift, self-entitled lifestyle hmm

gertiegusset Sat 08-Mar-14 16:23:06

Hasn't she just got back last week from Mustique?

Nice work if you can get it.

gertiegusset Sat 08-Mar-14 16:24:17

But hey, the college course was paid for privately.
Well how the hell else should it have been paid. hmm

Bonsoir Sat 08-Mar-14 16:25:22

I know George is going to Australia - but he will spend nearly all his time with his nanny whereas up to know he has spent nearly all his time with his mother.

LetZygonsbeZygons Sat 08-Mar-14 17:35:20

Oh how lovely for them.
meanwhile I have to get me and DC up at nightmare o clock to do a carboot tomorrow as I have no money and need to pay necessities, selling the few things we have which we need but need food and clothing and heating more..........never had a holiday in 13 years.......

oh so happy for them.

LittleBearPad Sat 08-Mar-14 17:38:48

I don't think I'd fly for eleven hours to nearly the other side of the world in order to see if the nanny is much cop. confused. She could go next door for that.

ExcuseTypos Sat 08-Mar-14 17:48:31

Agree LittleBear.

LaGuardia Sat 08-Mar-14 17:55:42

It must be tough being a Royal Protection Officer, being ordered to work in the Maldives. I wonder if they need a nurse wink

kim147 Sat 08-Mar-14 17:59:08

No doubt their PR team will come up with some stunt so people will love them again. [cynical]

crypes Sat 08-Mar-14 18:05:05

I can't believe someone's just put " what life is that?". Perhaps it's the living in a palace, holidaying whenever you like,being the most photographed woman in the world, being the most popular woman in the world, being dressed in the most fabulous clothes in the world and jewellery to match. Yes, what life is that doh .

kim147 Sat 08-Mar-14 18:07:27

Probably me - would you want her life? What is the point of it? When she looks back, will she feel proud of her achievements?

Why is she the most popular women in the world? What has she actually achieved to merit that status?

PatrickStarisabadbellend Sat 08-Mar-14 18:09:17

It's time the monarchy was abolished.

songlark Sat 08-Mar-14 18:10:23

Every time they think the tides turning on them they just get told to do another public endearing exercise (as in the Wills and Harry show of support helping with flood defences) then all of a sudden everyone loves them again. They certainly know how to manipulate a gullible public these royals.

LittleBearPad Sat 08-Mar-14 18:12:20

Isn't she the most popular woman in the world precisely because she hasn't achieved much. She is totally non-threatening and she has no opinions. There is little divisive about her until possibly now when I think she and William have fucked up, but she'll get the blame because she's the mum

crypes Sat 08-Mar-14 18:18:38

I've seen the royals talking to wounded soldiers, disabled children, charity workers, people who have turned their lives around, and there's a real pride and frisson on the air as though the royals represent the whole of the country which shows respect and appreciates their personal achievements .

fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 18:20:07

Won't happen Patrick. Best we cam hope for is a dramatic downshifting Or failing that a mass sacking of the PR team

olidusUrsus Sat 08-Mar-14 18:23:42

Re: second baby & sickness - did Kate actually have hyperemesis? TBH I sort of thought she had morning sickness and the palace put a more medicalised spin on it to stop another round of Waity Kaity articles.

fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 18:27:30

Crypes that's all lovely but the constant focus on Military and African causes (good causes though they are) highlights, rather than counteracts, the apparent narrowness of their world view.

It would be nice to think the world had got past the point where a rich couple turning up in short skirt and suit, accepting posies, making inane chit-chat, smiling and waving actually gets mistaken for 'help' or 'work' or 'action'.

The politicians can 'represent the country'. That's what we elect and pay them for!

Let's see them in jeans doing some real sustained work in a food bank, for example. Or some flood clear-up work that lasts longer than a photo-call.

fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 18:28:50

It did seem a rather short-lived hyperemesis, didn't it oldius?

olidusUrsus Sat 08-Mar-14 18:31:16

Mm... it did! I also thought the shit about "having to tell the press early" because of her illness was a nice bit of media playing savvy, too.

venturabay Sat 08-Mar-14 19:01:25

Of course they don't need to go to the Maldives to 'try out the nanny'. Nor do they need to go that far to 'sort out issues'. They're just lazy buggers and it must be very odd for a mum to willingly be separated from such a young baby for such a long time simply for her second holiday within the space of a couple of weeks. it's not normal at all.

fideline and olidusUrsus you're playing a dangerous game. I never saw the result of the final inquest into that poor nurse who died. Did I miss it? (entirely possible), or was it hushed up? Anyhow, that was tragic. Desperate for the poor husband and kids.

gertiegusset Sat 08-Mar-14 19:11:43

What has the nurse who killed herself got to do with this, very tragic most certainly, but nothing to do with any of this.
From what I remember she blamed the Australian chat show hosts for her suicide.
I think she had a lot more going on though and to blame them was a little harsh.

fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 19:36:27

Jacintha Saldantha's death was very sad.

I don't see a connection however.

venturabay Sat 08-Mar-14 19:36:51

It doesn't have much to do with it but given that spin has been mentioned, I dislike the fact that because news about the inquest appears to have been hushed up. So it's relevant to Royal spin, that's all.

venturabay Sat 08-Mar-14 19:38:16


fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 19:38:32

Aussie prats are aussie prats.
Depressive illness is depressive illness.
A mistake at work is a mistake at work.

fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 19:40:35

Oh I see. Well, speaking for myself, I wasn't alluding To Mrs Saldantha's death in anyway at all. Probably best steered clear of.

SeaSickSal Sat 08-Mar-14 19:44:01

I used to feel quite sorry for Kate Middleton before she got married. I thought she was in an impossible position. If she had worked and done anything commercial she would have been criticized for getting business mixed up with the royals or have a potential minefield of other problems cropping up. But if she didn't work she was called lazy.

But I thought when she got married she would start pulling her weight a bit but she doesn't.

She does hardly any royal engagements, she has a nanny so she's not looking after the baby. I suspect all she does is go to the gym, beautify herself, shop and plan the next holiday.

She just seems so vapid too. Like she's constantly valiumed up to the eyeballs. You look in her eyes and there's nothing there, no sadness, no happiness, just an emotionless automaton.

venturabay Sat 08-Mar-14 19:44:37

A mistake at work is indeed just a mistake at work. As I say, I never saw the full inquest reported, which it may have been, so I wasn't aware it had been established that the nurse had been suffering from a depressive illness prior to the tragic event.

gertiegusset Sat 08-Mar-14 19:56:19

So what is the dangerous game then?

fideline Sat 08-Mar-14 19:58:26

I think the inquest still hasn't been concluded Ventura (multiple adjournments it seems) but I don't think the fact of Mrs Saldantha's depression is contested.

Very sad series of events, whatever the details. I hope she is at peace now.

venturabay Sat 08-Mar-14 21:28:36

gertie the dangerous game is even making the suggestion that Kate Middleton might only have been suffering from ordinary morning sickness. A thread at the time was absolutely adamant that any who doubted the severity was an absolute cow and not capable of sympathy for any other woman in the world. It was hysterical, not in the funny sense either.

gertiegusset Sat 08-Mar-14 21:35:53

Oh sorry, my mistake, I didn't see you refer to Kate Middleton's morning sickness, I assumed you were referring to the Nurse who killed herself and I didn't see the relevance.

chocolatemademefat Sun 09-Mar-14 05:42:16

They can do whatever they like without it denting their popularity. There will always be idiots willing to camp out all night in the rain for the chance to wave a plastic flag as they drive past.
They have a life of privelage - why would William and Kate be the ones to rail against it.
And if anyone dares to take a photograph of Kate they will have William to deal with. Just because we pay to give them a life of luxury doesn't mean we should be sticking our nose in their business. I'm sure George will get used to their absences - and whenever they feel their popularity may be slipping a bit they can always produce him in public.

fideline Sun 09-Mar-14 05:58:43

The new modern corporate RF must do opinion polling though, or at least look at polls, chocolate. They won't be under the impression that every adores them and approves of their actions just because the pavement-clogging, face-painted crazies seem to.

fideline Sun 09-Mar-14 05:59:07

that *everyone adores them....

Bakingnovice Sun 09-Mar-14 06:15:23

William Doolittle-Middleton is vapid, wet, workshy and lazy. As is his wife. I resent our money being paid on the doubled up security for them and their baby back in England. Lets just hope she keeps her clothes on this time and doesn't get papped walking around naked in full view of the fleet of protection officers (and any long lensed cameramen).

They need to take a leaf out of the queens book. I'm no royalist but at least she appears to work hard.

herecomesthsun Sun 09-Mar-14 06:24:54

DM appear to have updated quoting liberally from this thread. I hope they are paying mumsnet for the use of the material.

fideline Sun 09-Mar-14 06:34:09

Just saw it Crazyspaniel and Frogwatcher are now famous royal pundits grin

Lavenderhoney Sun 09-Mar-14 08:01:55

grin at my previous comments being on the edge of treason..

I don't think everyone adores them. They aren't even a necessary evil. Other countries are just as educated as the UK and must wonder why the UK population are happy to support a bunch of people who have inherited the title and if it wasn't for an accident of birth, be stacking shelves somewhere. The pr machine rolls on.

The press and polititions can say it as much as they like, it doesn't make it fact. Its not illegal to have a negative opinion of the RF and to voice it, the UK is not a dictatorship.

Its an ingrained reaction, like the threads about paying for a bbc tv licence even if you don't watch tv/ live tv and people come on and talk about morals and are happy to pay for a service they don't use because the bbc has such a long term reputation of being on the side of the angels and once held a monopoly on reporting.

Ask yourself what the royal family are for and what contribution they have made this last few decades - tourism? Is that it? Their contribution is very difficult to define which makes it harder to measure their worth especially as nowadays our own jobs aren't for life.

we are appraised and measured in the name of talent management but in reality its a chance to hoof out people who have given their all, and now just want a nice 9-5 or go part time. Or be on the payroll and occasionally turn up for parties .. Oh, wait!smile

The RF have a desk and a chair in UK inc, and have left their cardigan on the seat.

The only difference is no one has tried to take their job. And seeing as how they dictate their job spec and commitment to the UK I'm quite surprised.
They have power alright, but don't choose to use it. A different type of heir could be a dangerous prospect, but the hunger isn't there for power and authority. Its benign.

kim147 Sun 09-Mar-14 08:18:49

I'm very disappointed my views aren't in the DM!!

I can also see that the DM has given the impression that people on Mumsnet are attacking her as a mum. No - it's being annoyed with both of them. Not attacking her as a mum.

But that's the DM - picking on women and picking on mums.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie Sun 09-Mar-14 08:43:50

I have no opinion on the couple leaving their son. It's up to them. What rankles is the idea that this pair are ordinary or more in touch with the people of Britain. PR stunts like going to help with the floods or insinuating that Kate will be a normal hands on mother go to reinforce it.

I just don't like being treated as though I am stupid. They are enormously privileged and wealthy and as such are completely cut off from their `subjects`. They should acknowledge it, be grateful for it and stop treating us like idiots.

ExcuseTypos Sun 09-Mar-14 09:01:09

Agree Set. They can leave their baby with who ever they choose, that isn't the issue.

It's the '"we're like everyone else" PR nonsense which infuriates.

I'm really beginning to dislike this couple, they and their PR team think we're all a bit thick.

KonkeyDong Sun 09-Mar-14 09:02:41

They used my line but didn't attribute me..... I'm just 'another contributor'. DM fuckers.

Dappydongle Sun 09-Mar-14 09:10:49

They've gone to go and start making the spare, surely?

olidusUrsus Sun 09-Mar-14 10:48:56

I'm sorry to drag it back up just as conversation is finally moving on - but I don't see the "dangerous game" I am/was playing.

I was alluding that there was spin between the press and the palace around K's early pregnancy because of all the articles surrounding "revelation" that she was pregnant - how the palace were so desperate to keep it hidden for longer but couldn't because she was ill - despite her whole admittance process having no need to be made public and all in all, how it was a nice little PR "aw they're just so down to earth, the press are so howwible" package.

It was no comment on the hospital's management of their patients, nor their staffs personal lives.

venturabay Sun 09-Mar-14 11:44:04

Sorry, thought I'd explained - my post was very badly laid out.

Suggesting that KM had full blown hyperemesis was the dangerous game I referred to, since at the time people who suggested that here got royally told off. It wasn't meant seriously.

My next comment on the death was serious, but merely a supplementary to the point about spin. I assumed the report of the inquest had been hushed up, but it seems from what another poster has said that the inquest is not yet complete. So I was wrong. And it wasn't directly relevant I concede.

Completely agree with the poster who resents being treated as thick by the PR lot who are probably far thicker themselves if they really believe that we believe half their rubbish - it's all been wearing tremendously thin. The younger royals don't have the work ethic or intelligence of the Queen - they all seem utterly pointless to me.

Harsh but true SeaSicksal.

olidusUrsus Sun 09-Mar-14 11:59:23

Ah I see ventura, I got your two points muddled into one. I think the palace will be in for an overhaul once Liz passes - I don't think they realise how lucky they have been to have such a balanced and neutral woman at the helm. I can't see public adoration for the monarchy continuing with Charles/Will behind it.

I don't have any issue with parents leaving their babies behind for a holiday, in the care of capable people, which of course the Middletons are.

I do have a problem with Kate and William taking yet another holiday, so soon after their individual holidays to Mustique and Spain, with security costs being at the expense of the UK taxpayer. And of course, George's security at Middleton Manor will also be at their expense.

What's wrong with them taking a "couple time" holiday in the UK somewhere? That would be a boost for tourism surely, to see members of the RF holidaying on their own shores?! A break in the UK would still have costs, but not as much, as wouldn't need to fly the security detail thousands of miles away for a start.

Thankfully DH and I are no longer UK taxpayers, as we're living in the States, so our taxes aren't paying for it. However I feel sick for every hard-working taxpayer who is having to shell out for these parasites and doesn't want to.

Viva la Republic I say!

Nanny0gg Sun 09-Mar-14 12:30:25

If they were going to take a 'staycation' holiday, they've got Balmoral and Sandringham to go to surely? Not to mention the grand houses of some of their friends. Not quite so glamorous though.

The cynic in me thinks that the wife of a Royal has to make time for 'couple' time, because there's too many others who'd jump into her Jimmy Choos in a heartbeat. Baby or no baby.

Its0kToBeMe Sun 09-Mar-14 13:05:19

I'm sick of both of them tbh. He looks like a sulky little shit and she looks dead behind the the eyes.

gertiegusset Sun 09-Mar-14 14:55:48

How does Kate Middleton (the wife of a royal) have to 'make couple time'?
Does he have to organise time off work too? ( not employed atm as far as I know)
Does she have to organise time off work and childcare? hmm

Nanny0gg Sun 09-Mar-14 16:01:01

As in, apart from the security detail and hotel staff, no-one else around. Total privacy. Time to devote to him alone.


Bonsoir Sun 09-Mar-14 16:25:25

There's nothing wrong with wanting a regular child free holiday. Lucky them! And we don't all have to live our lives in the public eye the way they do - maybe they need to retreat from the world a bit more often than mere mortals in order to keep things normal.

taratamara Sun 09-Mar-14 16:39:14

they're having a rest to prepare for the australia trip wink
<hard life>

jellybaby25 Sun 09-Mar-14 16:45:58

For those who say there is nothing we can do about it, consider joining Republic, a group that campaigns for an elected head of state. See www.republic.org.uk or like their FB page: https://www.facebook.com/republiccampaign

Their Monarchy myth buster is particularly interesting.

zeezeek Sun 09-Mar-14 17:08:23

They don't have to live in the public eye....all they have to do it stop taking our money to fund their lavish lifestyle which seems to consist of doing fuck all, get proper jobs, give up the throne and then live a normal life.....will it happen? Will it hell. In the meantime, as we are funding them, then, frankly, the GBP are entitled to make whatever comments they want.

TheZeeTeam Sun 09-Mar-14 17:15:48

LOL Taratamara. There has been much touting in the press about how "hard" this trip is going to be. For Goodness Sake, they're being wined and dined for 3 weeks, with maybe the odd bad bit of dancing thrown in. It's just posh backpacking!

kim147 Sun 09-Mar-14 17:28:51

But when you're backpacking, you have to organise everything yourself. You can lie in bed in the hostel tlll noon, hang out in a cafe, go window shopping and can be ignored by everyone.

Will William or Kate go bungee jumping? Scuba diving? Go out and get pissed in a local bar and dance the night away before staggering back to the hotel.

Life's little adventures.

kim147 Sun 09-Mar-14 17:30:18

He's 31 but seems 50. He has to be sensible now. He looks and acts middle aged. Poor sod.

kim147 Sun 09-Mar-14 17:30:36

And will he always be wearing a suit and tie?

Greysandybeach Sun 09-Mar-14 17:58:40

grin Daily mail has quoted a poster up thread:

"One mother, who uses the blog name louloutheshames, posted on Mumsnet: ‘Seriously? Think this might turn public opinion against them .  .  . seems its just one long holiday for the D and D of Cambridge.’ "

Greysandybeach Sun 09-Mar-14 17:59:22
HermioneWeasley Sun 09-Mar-14 18:16:05

Lazy journalism!

Greysandybeach Sun 09-Mar-14 19:10:03

To say the least.

Lavenderhoney Sun 09-Mar-14 21:38:12

Still, now they know the daily mail is right behind them

What a comfort that must besmile

If the Maldives are essential for conception, I fail to see why its not on the NHS. Second honeymoon my arse. Perhaps Kate has been shouting " but I'm a princess! You said it would be fun! Take me to the Maldives this minute!"

And like a good, kind, freeloading husband that he is, he has.

Or - he said " let's go to the Maldives, babe," and she said " no! I'm a princess in status only! Take me to centreparcs this minute"

And he said no! I'm a prince and I want to go to the Maldives. Come on, lots of press taking pics of us, the daily mail will do a piece, your netmums mates will be really happy for you etc etc"

And it will really piss off the mn posters. Now, will you pack the penis beaker or shall we make do on arrival?smile

kim147 Sun 09-Mar-14 21:44:59

Interesting - if Kate is on Netmums, do they get more support than on here?

Were Netmums quoted in the Mail article?

Lavenderhoney Sun 09-Mar-14 22:03:24

She's supposed to be a netmums poster, but that could be just pr againsmile

Maybe she's on mnsmile ( scours boards for " my holiday hell in the Maldives" or " my dh wants another baby. I've just got my figure back" or " what to wear in the Maldives"

I doubt she has time to post, what with supervising packing and allsmile

venturabay Sun 09-Mar-14 22:05:05

What's her username then?

kim147 Sun 09-Mar-14 22:18:31

I'm sure she would give herself away on here.

PatrickStarisabadbellend Sun 09-Mar-14 23:27:47

If Kate is on Internet forums I doubt she would be using this one. We're too common grin

gertiegusset Mon 10-Mar-14 00:24:23

<<yawn>> Kate isn't a Princess yet.

A mere Duchess.

I bet that boils her piss.

gertiegusset Mon 10-Mar-14 00:26:07

If Kate is on internet forums I bet she is so on here.

gertiegusset Mon 10-Mar-14 00:27:21

@lurkerkate grin

fideline Mon 10-Mar-14 00:36:16

I think she just popped up on the other thread with NN Adam somethingorother

gertiegusset Mon 10-Mar-14 01:26:27

Remind me where the other thread is pliz?
It must have dropped orf my tios.


The Queen.

fideline Mon 10-Mar-14 01:32:52
gertiegusset Mon 10-Mar-14 01:38:12

Thank you.
Just off for a gander.
Then must push off to bed.

KarenBrockman Mon 10-Mar-14 05:48:10

Kate is a Princess, it says so on PG's birth certificate.

fideline Mon 10-Mar-14 06:02:47

Who cares what title she has? It is what she does(n't) do that is important to anyone being required to subsidise her upkeep.

Perhaps this holiday is all Carol's idea so she can have squishy George all to herself.

Carol Middleton's Master Plan

1. Have DDs
2. Send her to posh school
3. Send her to St Andrew's
4. Get Prince to fall in love with DD
5. Wait
6. Wait
7. Royal wedding - hurray
8. Become at Grandmother to a boy and heir
9. Offer to have baby heir at all times when DD goes on holiday (suggest to DD that she needs to work on marriage if necessary etc)

Sounds most likely. wink

BalloonSlayer Mon 10-Mar-14 06:46:14

Kate is a Princess. She is Princess William. grin

(as in Princess Michael of Kent. Oh I was SO disappointed to find out she was really called Marie-Christine. I thought her name was actually Michael like the lady from Little House on the Prairie)

She would only be Princess Catherine if her parents (father?) were in direct line to the throne and she was born into royalty. Married-into-Royalty are just named by their husband's title. Princess Diana was never really called that. She was The Princess of Wales, then post divorce was Diana, Princess of Wales. The title "Princess Diana" (which I always call her) never existed.

amandine07 Mon 10-Mar-14 15:10:52

Made it as far as the bottom of the second page where the OP makes the speculation that PG is not being breastfed, therefore, he is not getting the best of everything, as would befit a future king...!

Yeah start a thread about WillKat swanning off to the Maldives, but adding loaded comments about breastfeeding...OP I'm sure many women out there give their babies the best of everything even if they are not breastfeeding, which Kate may or may not be continuing to do.

What a twatty comment!

louloutheshamed Mon 10-Mar-14 16:21:56

I knew that comment would attract criticism. You may find it twatty but it is factually correct. People do get extremely upset and defensive when confronted with scientific facts about breastfeeding.

When I heard she had left him I thought of this quotation from professor J Stewart Forsyth from Ninewells in Dundee - he is quoted in the politics of breastfeeding as saying
"a millionaire's baby who is not breastfed is less healthy than an exclusively breastfed baby whose mother is in the poorest social group" which I thought was quite apposite here.

Of course we don't know how long she bf for, I know she was pictured wearing seraphine breastfeeding dresses after the birth- but that dies t mean anything- I found clothes designed for bf were actually pretty impractical.

But I cannot imagine she is still doing it if she has away from him for 11 days.

gertiegusset Mon 10-Mar-14 23:01:02

I am no royalist but I would respectfully say that it is none of your business whether or not she is BFing.
As for scientific facts and Prof J Stewart Forsyth, utter twaddle, I would think the mother from the poorest economic group would have a less healthy diet which would mean her BF baby gets a less healthy diet too.
I didn't realise this thread was a stealth thread for FFing bashing.

My DiL expresses, she didn't want to BF herself but is expressing and bottle feeding, she has so much she is freezing it and delivering it to the local hospital to be used in the prem baby wards.

I shall hide this now because I have no interest in BF v FF threads.

amandine07 Mon 10-Mar-14 23:34:38

Yes I thought that too, a stealth thread for BF vs FF (yawn) and bashing a woman for her presumed parenting choices based on what kind of clothing she is wearing etc.
We know bugger all about her really.
If you're secure in your own decisions about how you bring up your children then I'd say that you really don't need to criticise others about their choices.

olidusUrsus Tue 11-Mar-14 00:31:54

I didn't realise this thread was a stealth thread for FFing bashing.

It isn't. RTFT.

louloutheshamed Tue 11-Mar-14 08:01:16

This isn't just a ff/bf thread, that is just one aspect of it. I am enjoying the debate about monarchy.

But the fact is that km is incredibly influential. Clothes she wears sell out minutes after she is pictured in them. She and George are the most high profile mother and baby in recent history, and if she bf him it might (bug might) have had a positive impact on this country's woefully poor bf rates.

louloutheshamed Tue 11-Mar-14 08:02:25

Gertie you would think that's how it works wrt bf and nutrition but actually it doesn't.

whineaholic Tue 11-Mar-14 08:18:36

It's a tricky one. I don't like what I see of Kate Middleton. I knew lots of empty headed, vacuous girls like her at university. She seems to have no shred of peronality and seems exquisitely dull . And lazy. That said, I wouldn't have her life for all the tea in china - a hideously gilded cage.

Lavenderhoney Tue 11-Mar-14 09:15:11

Ignores bf/ff smile

I also used to know many girls like her. Harmless, but somewhere there is a banker or lawyer with her name on them. Its just a case of waiting til he turns up at the next drinks party. To have landed a prince though! wildest dreams and all thatsmile I wonder if she will ensure George marries a royal? Often the people who marry up are most obsessed by class etc in their new life.

I find it hard to believe that clothes she wears sell out straight away. Though she looks nice, anyone can look nice- beauty is largely a matter of time and money past a certain age.

The image that she or her pr are portraying of her being too busy with the baby and having a normal life to get involved in royal duties and appease the tax payer is blown out of the water now, with this trip to the Maldives. If she has time for that, then she has time to work. Or they stop being subbed by us. Then their private lives won't matter. The only reason they matter now is because we are paying for it.

whineaholic Tue 11-Mar-14 09:22:44

She's the sort of woman I could never bedrawn to befriend. She just looks so dull!! She's the type you dread being sat next to at a dinner party.

Bonsoir Tue 11-Mar-14 09:30:29

I completely approve of Kate and William taking a child-free holiday and leaving George to be doted on by his grandparents. I did similar when my DD was a baby/toddler - completely normal behaviour and I just don't understand what all the fuss is about.

curiousgeorgie Tue 11-Mar-14 09:52:37

Well, I'm glad that the mail only used part of your comment and not your hideous ff / bf remark.

PG is 8 months, don't most people aim for 6 months?

What if she wasn't able to breastfeed? I wasn't, are my children somehow inferior to yours?

This topic always shows the absolute worst of women.

I don't begrudge them a holiday, my DD2 is 8 months and if someone offered me the chance to go to the Maldives and leave her with my mum, I would do it! (Might have the occasional sob into my pillow, but I'd soldier on wink)

Her last holiday was a Middleton family holiday, and she took PG with her.

No one knows her situation, she could have PND, she could find the constant negativity hard, or she might just fancy topping up her tan. It's not really anyone else's business.

whineaholic Tue 11-Mar-14 10:07:20

I would have found it heartbreaking to be away from my children for three weeks at that age. And I am the least maternal mother. It's almost an 8th of his life and I cannot see how they can think this is good for any of them.

oohdaddypig Tue 11-Mar-14 10:13:45

Maybe she is struggling in some way? PND?!

I would hate HATE to have my life scrutinised as she does

ziggiestardust Tue 11-Mar-14 10:14:44

She might have PND <shrugs> The palace aren't going to issue a statement saying she's really suffering with depression and it's all gone a bit tits up for her, are they?

Does it actually matter whether she ff or bf?! There's always one... hmm

jammyjamjam Tue 11-Mar-14 10:25:48

There's no way I would take a holiday without my kids...why would I? I love them to bits and I want to share everything with them. I find it very odd when couples holiday without their kids and leaving a baby behind? That's weird, poor George sad

oohdaddypig Tue 11-Mar-14 10:30:37

Well if she has left PG for that long it's reasonable to assume she isn't BF. it's probably reasonable to assume that is something people will speculate about out of nosiness.

I appreciate BF is an emotive subject but why does that mean people can't discuss it?

I couldn't give a monkeys if she BF or not - and i don't care if there are discussions about it! It doesn't mean people are criticising my choices hmm

MummyBeerest Tue 11-Mar-14 12:49:12

Such a shame. I was so hoping that Kate would become a total Sanctimommy when she had Little George.

Wearing him in a bejeweled sling that matched her outfit, cosleeping on their golden coin bed because "that's how they do it in Africa," bragging about how George only wears organic silk nappies and how he's baby-lead weaned with chunks of swan for meals.

Because they're oh so real.

I liken the RF to faeries. Interesting stories, but definitely not real.

whineaholic Tue 11-Mar-14 14:45:24

I would hate HATE to have my life scrutinised as she does

No indeed. But you didn't marry a prince nor live a life of unparalled sloth and privilege.

Nancy66 Tue 11-Mar-14 14:56:19

I couldn't give a fuck if she breastfeeds or not.

I think two back to back holidays is very ill advised though. Up to them if they want to leave their kid at home but, again, grates a bit when their PR team made such a big deal about them having no help. blatantly bollocks

venturabay Tue 11-Mar-14 23:09:42

I think she's whisked the henpecked William off to bend his ear about Cressida getting married to Harry. Nightmare scenario for her. She's been dead against it all along and Cressida will totally eclipse her. Great article in the DT today, very snide about the wooden and tedious cantilevering Kate.

LittleBearPad Tue 11-Mar-14 23:27:15

Yikes, just read the DT article.

fideline Tue 11-Mar-14 23:34:59

Can anyone link it?

gertiegusset Tue 11-Mar-14 23:39:28

Not that I give a tut but how can you possibly know that Kate Middleton is against Harry marrying Cressida?
And why on earth is it a nightmare scenario, he's going to get married one day.

LittleBearPad Tue 11-Mar-14 23:42:34
gertiegusset Tue 11-Mar-14 23:44:53
gertiegusset Tue 11-Mar-14 23:45:18

Oh, soz.

gertiegusset Tue 11-Mar-14 23:52:36

That is such a nasty piece by Hannah Betts, I thought she wrote for the Times anyway.

charmschool Tue 11-Mar-14 23:54:20

BE WARNED!!!! This is exactly the sort of crap trap that was dished out for boring Diana and how Fergie was going to be a breath of fresh air for the royal family.

And we all know what happened there...


charmschool Tue 11-Mar-14 23:56:04

Kate will win out in the long run. She is effortlessly stylish, well educated and can hold an interesting fascinator on her head as well as balance on heels. Ver difficult when you're famished and haven't eaten for a year.

I'm Kate in disguise. Don't rumble me. But I'm lonely so please be my internet friend

fideline Wed 12-Mar-14 00:17:55

Don't worry Charm I won't rumble you [smile[

fideline Wed 12-Mar-14 00:18:10


venturabay Wed 12-Mar-14 08:14:05

gertie it's been widely reported for at least a year. Kate is fuming at the idea that the sister of her arch rival will be part of the fam. I can see that it would be a nightmare, especially since arch rival/ sister are very beautiful aristos, so it's all bad. Anyhow, it's not been kept a secret is the point. I don't get any sense that the press like Kate, but this is the most direct anti Kate article that I've read.

Mignonette Wed 12-Mar-14 11:15:51

grin at Charm's deeply ironic 'effortlessly stylish'. Kate is to style as Diana was. Frumpy, safe and therefore beloved of the right wing press who curl up in a fond little ball whenever they see Kates reinterpretation of their beloved Sloane + beige, beige beige LK Bennett Sledge shoes. Brings back fond memories of their Foxtrot Oscar salad days and Mummy.

Greysandybeach Wed 12-Mar-14 11:24:15

Slightly off-topic but this is factually wrong:

"I would think the mother from the poorest economic group would have a less healthy diet which would mean her BF baby gets a less healthy diet too."

Mum's diet impacts on her own health alone, not on the baby's. According to research (will try and find a link) babies will get everything they need from bm it he first six months, regardless of whether mum is on green smoothies and good vitamins or KFC and doughnuts.

fideline Wed 12-Mar-14 11:25:34

Of course she is only in this position because she hung on like a limpet despite being humiliated....

You are on fire this morning Mignonette effortlessly incisive here, simultaneously sniffing out russian princesses elsewhere...

Greysandybeach Wed 12-Mar-14 11:26:16

Obviously this is different during pregnancy when a healthy and balanced diet is very important indeed.

Greysandybeach Wed 12-Mar-14 11:34:45

And, on a more gossipy note, I think Cressida is absolutely gorgeous and seems to have a thinking and interesting mind of her own. If she and Harry were to get married, I think Cressida would become the new 'people's princess', not Catherine. Catherine is way too guarded and hasn't got any charisma at all in my humble opinion. But I actually feel sorry for her because as nice as she seems, she will be ripped apart by the media and public. sad

I bet the royal spin doctors are keeping an eye on threads like this to gage public opinion. They'll be briefing KM soon and we will see her present herself in a more 'natural' and approachable way......

charmschool Wed 12-Mar-14 11:48:36

But... But... But..... you've all forgotten the baby bump after delivery and how -I- she appeared with roots in her hair. Everyone loved -me- her then.

But seriously.... something happened last year and I thought, "You lazy bitch, Kate, I'm deeply disappointed." But like the rest of the stories about the Royal Family, I forgot what it was.

Greysandybeach Wed 12-Mar-14 12:30:44
gertiegusset Wed 12-Mar-14 12:58:38

OK Greysandybeach, I was mistaken, my point was though that it's of no interest to me whether she BFs or not.

I was responding to the OP saying this

When I heard she had left him I thought of this quotation from professor J Stewart Forsyth from Ninewells in Dundee - he is quoted in the politics of breastfeeding as saying
"a millionaire's baby who is not breastfed is less healthy than an exclusively breastfed baby whose mother is in the poorest social group" which I thought was quite apposite here.

gertiegusset Wed 12-Mar-14 13:00:40

It kind of turned the thread into a BF v FF thread.
I didn't agree with the statement above.

desertmum Wed 12-Mar-14 14:56:57

I don't understand why the clothes KM wears would sell out in minutes - she dresses like an woman her mother's age - not her age. Frumpy and bland. Perhaps she will be like PD and blossom later in life.

gertiegusset Wed 12-Mar-14 17:25:00

Erm, Kate Middleton is only four years younger than Diana was when she died.

LadyKatherine Wed 12-Mar-14 18:01:38

Sorry, not much to add to the current discussion (but at least not continuing the BF/FF saga), but have had to laugh at the adverts I'm now getting. One for honeymoon packages in the Maldives and then next 1400+ ideas for a short break from Visit England grin.

desertmum Wed 12-Mar-14 19:55:09

Gertie - is she really > Shows how much I know!

fideline Wed 12-Mar-14 20:00:53

Crikey. Just realised I am older now than DI ever was. That makes me feel v old.

dancingnancy Wed 12-Mar-14 20:34:45

"She's the sort of woman I could never bedrawn to befriend. She just looks so dull!! She's the type you dread being sat next to at a dinner party."

What a horrible thing to say about someone you've never met. Not a royalist or give a hoot about Will and Kate really - but all this crap is making me want to look out my Pom poms and shake them about!

oohdaddypig Wed 12-Mar-14 22:55:12

It is a bit mean... I hope she doesn't read this thread sad

Out of interest, how can you tell someone is dull by how they look?

kim147 Wed 12-Mar-14 22:58:58

I wonder if they get weekly media and social media reports on how their popularity rating is going up and down.

"Well, your Duchess, your MN ratings are down this week. We've had 2 threads started and they're not looking good. On the other hand, NM just love you"

charmschool Wed 12-Mar-14 23:25:48

I'm going to say something treasonable.

Kate did NOT have that baby.

She got a surrogate.

She hardly put on any weight. She put on a fake belly like the way they do in films and DID YOU SEE HER STOMACH six weeks after she "gave birth"??? Where were the stretch marks? I mean, seriously - WHERE WERE THE STRETCH MARKS?????

Now Zara, on the other hand - she's a real mum. And we love her and her questionable dress sense.

charmschool Wed 12-Mar-14 23:26:44

Please don't ban me because of the above post.

MummyBeerest Wed 12-Mar-14 23:31:17

Do they really eat swans? <moronic hijack>

charmschool Wed 12-Mar-14 23:42:09

Does anyone actually know that Prince Edward does all day? I mean, now, this very minute. What work has he done today?

BalloonSlayer Thu 13-Mar-14 06:50:04

I have never had any stretch marks either charmschool. 3 weeks after giving birth to my first I was 8st 2, and I didn't have a personal trainer on hand

AgathaF Thu 13-Mar-14 07:40:54

Lots of people don't get stretch marks.

Some of the stuff said on this thread!

lavenderhoney Thu 13-Mar-14 07:45:33

The queen had first dibs on all swans so don't even think of having free roast swansmile
Its all about the money for me. Although one benefit is of course we are spared a presidential campaign every four years with the likes of that slimy fucker tony Blair, and any other power crazy person vying for the top slot and spending all the RF money on private jets and salaries. Oh, wait...

But they aren't power crazy. Don't know why. If you were actually born into the royals and had a genetic history of wanting to be king and having power, it seems odd that power hungry gene has gone. You wouldn't have to spend much money getting your name and face out there, would you? And you'd already know everyone who mattered in these things.

Maybe william is even now plotting to take over the Maldives and the army will get a call direct from the royal iphone to get their arses over there and bring the flagsmile

kim147 Thu 13-Mar-14 08:23:45

Bingo - the President Blair grin

Do you need a politician to be a ceremonial president?

Blair is a politician and wants to do stuff. Make a difference. A bit like Charles.

A ceremonial president is just that. No power. Just a role.

DinoSnores Thu 13-Mar-14 08:26:37

charmschool, read the Court Circular. That will tell you what any of the RF are doing officially.

LadyKatherine Fri 14-Mar-14 16:50:42

MN referenced here as well: Not DM Link.

kim147 Fri 14-Mar-14 18:38:38

Interesting - is Kate being attacked or are both of them?

Seems that the DM and this paper are claiming that mums on MN are only
attacking her - so they can claim it's mums against a mum confused

KonkeyDong Sat 15-Mar-14 09:29:48

greysandy you predicted the future - some attempt at positive K&W news in the DM today and their 3 week holiday tour to Aus and NZ.

Apparently they couldn't bear the fact of leaving PG for 2 nights whilst in NZ..... hmm

LittleBearPad Sat 15-Mar-14 09:36:05

Managed for a week in the Maldives though...

fideline Sat 15-Mar-14 14:38:43

They have permanently wrecked the 'can't bear to leave their kids' line of PR haven't they?

Optimistic of their 'people' to still be trying to use it

LittleBearPad Sat 15-Mar-14 14:41:38

And their 'we're just like any other young parents' line too.

A new pr strategy is called for.

fideline Sat 15-Mar-14 14:46:32

They have limited workable PR options, though.

'Divine right of Kings' isn't very 21st century. Justifying an anachronism is difficult.

Which is why they need to avoid PR disasters like this, but someone didn't get the memo, it seems.

LittleBearPad Sat 15-Mar-14 14:53:05

They created the problem by the insistence pre-birth that they weren't going to have a nanny etc. I think most people would have assumed they would and wouldn't have commented.

Then William has his bespoke Cambridge course - an agricultural college would have seemed a better option - and he can't even make it to the end of a 10 week term without a holiday.

fideline Sat 15-Mar-14 15:11:39

It is baffling.

My own assumption is that everyone around them, including PR advisers are from similar Eton, Harrow, Marlborough, Westminster, multiple-barreled name backgrounds and they genuinely have no proper idea of how their choices will play with the public.

gertiegusset Sat 15-Mar-14 15:13:27

Don't actually suppose they care really.
The great unwashed and all that, why would they care what we think, job for life for them.

fideline Sat 15-Mar-14 15:18:44

They can't afford not to care. Do they not know that?

fideline Sat 15-Mar-14 15:23:04

I think the wrong lessons have been absorbed from the Diana-quake of the early 90s.

I imagine there was/is a strong establishment feeling of 'if only she had settled docilely into family life' all would have been well. Maybe they are aiming for that 'happy first family' vibe in this generation and think that as long as they project that, all will be well.

But that doesn't give them carte blanche to do whatever they fancy with guaranteed popularity and besides, this isn't the 1980s.

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