To think this girl won't turn 18 tomorrow?

(77 Posts)
CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 19:53:00

I was listening to the radio, and they were wishing a happy birthday to someone who is celebrating their 18th birthday tomorrow (28th Feb).

The thing is, she was born on Feb 29th. Obviously, this year isn't a leap year, so she can't celebrate her actual birth date. But I can't help thinking she's celebrating a day early and she should actually have 1st March as her 'birthday' in non-leap years.

I just have this vision of the poor girl going out for a few drinks tomorrow to celebrate as is customary for people turning 18, only for her to get IDed and turned away for not actually being 18 yet.

So AIBU or is she?

rootypig Thu 27-Feb-14 19:54:36

You care about this a lot more than is reasonable!

Tiredemma Thu 27-Feb-14 19:54:38

I went to school with a girl who was born on the 29th Feb- she celebrated on thee 28th.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates Thu 27-Feb-14 19:54:39

Ooh, good point - (being mean, that would be quite funny! [evil grin])
My DN was born on February 29th as well, will have to remember that for when he is older!

The 3 people I know with leap year birthdays all celebrate on February 28th. From a legal perspective I think you are probably correct though.

IneedAwittierNickname Thu 27-Feb-14 19:56:14

My friend celebrates on the 28th too. Although jokes that he is younger then his dc.
(he will be 11 tomorrow, his dc are 18, 16 and 15)

Dwerf Thu 27-Feb-14 19:57:26

If that was my birthday I would celebrate it on both Feb 28th and March 1st even non-leap year-year, but in this case, I think I'd give it the extra day just to make sure. So I guess you're right. Although some people (ncluding barstaff may think differently.

VivaLeBeaver Thu 27-Feb-14 19:57:38

It would be a hard hearted bar person who turns them away but guess they're strict these days. Technically I think you're right.

I went to primary school with someone born on feb 29th. I can remember her sobbing one year as she said she wasn't having a proper birthday.

kelper Thu 27-Feb-14 19:58:21

My grandma was born on feb 29th, my mum said she used to celebrate her birthday on March first the other three years smile

Catsmamma Thu 27-Feb-14 20:01:06

won't their birthdays creep??

so feb 29th born and then 365 days later is march 1st age one another 365 for and two and three, all March 1st.

oh no....

back to feb 29th for four

so yes, she isn't 18 until march 1st.

MaureenMLove Thu 27-Feb-14 20:03:06

I don't think it's the barman being hard hearted actually, but more about the law and his license, as according to her ID, she isn't 18!

Let's have visions of her, having a nice family meal tomorrow night and getting rat arsed with her mates on Saturday instead! grin

evertonmint Thu 27-Feb-14 20:04:04

But if she's still out at midnight she'll miraculously be 18 and one day! She might just need to drink lemonade until 12 grin

ReadyToPopAndFresh Thu 27-Feb-14 20:04:35

Leap year birthdays must be shit sad

YANBU op, March 1st she'll be 18.

BusinessUnusual Thu 27-Feb-14 20:05:17

Did anyone else find the title threatening? Like OP was about to order a hit?

grin

FabBakerGirl Thu 27-Feb-14 20:05:21

Well, she'd like me then if she had chosen March 1st since I have been convinced it was March 1st all day today. cakebrew.

swooosh Thu 27-Feb-14 20:05:26

Its MY birthday tomorrow. (really the 29th) I celebrate the 28th AND the 1st wink

Legally on their 18th birthday a leap year baby can turn 18 on the 28th. In the US it's the 1st however..

IneedAwittierNickname Thu 27-Feb-14 20:07:24

BusinessUnusual

Did anyone else find the title threatening? Like OP was about to order a hit?

Yep grin

KissesBreakingWave Thu 27-Feb-14 20:08:07

No, if you were born on the 29th, you turn a new age on the 28th.

You are x years old when you've completed x years, and that completion happens the last day of your x-th year. Legally, at the first moment of that day (if you wait until your actual 18th birthday to go to the pub you're doing yourself out of a full day of legal drinking, although while this is the precise working of the relevant law, good luck persuading the bar staff....)

So your xth birthday is actually the first day of your x+1th year. You 'turned' that age the day before.

<shoves glasses up nose, folds arms and nods authoritatively>

BusinessUnusual Thu 27-Feb-14 20:10:23

<steals Kisses' lectern>

SavoyCabbage Thu 27-Feb-14 20:11:46

My dd has the same birthday as her best friend but her best friend is technically a day older as she was born in Australia and my dd in the uk. If dd had been born here, her birthday would have been the 5th, not the 4th.

Every time is is one of our birthdays, I think to myself that it is not really because of the time difference.

DonnaDishwater Thu 27-Feb-14 20:11:59

Someone who is born on the 29th Feb doesn't officially turn 18 until 72 years after they are born, on their eighteenth birthday!

MsVestibule Thu 27-Feb-14 20:12:19

business I don't very often actually laugh out loud at anything on MN, but I did at your comment!!! Yes, very menacing, a la Goodfellas.

IneedAwittierNickname Thu 27-Feb-14 20:14:22

Really kisses? I can't see how that works confused

Surely if I was born on the 1st of January, I would be a year old at the end of the day on 31st December?
confused confused confused confused confused confused

Or.maybe I'm thick?

HadABadDay2014 Thu 27-Feb-14 20:16:07

You have me thinking.

Perhaps it should be based on time born 12 midnight to 12 midday = 28th February, 12 midday to 12 midnight = 1st march

Really have no answers if born dead on noon.

JeanSeberg Thu 27-Feb-14 20:16:57

Pirates of Penzance anybody?

KissesBreakingWave Thu 27-Feb-14 20:39:31

INeed, If you're born on the 1st January, you're a year old at the beginning of the 31st December following, legally. That which happens on a day, unless specified otherwise, happens at the first moment of that day. The 1st January following that is the first day of your second year.

IneedAwittierNickname Thu 27-Feb-14 20:41:44

I agree that the 1st Jan would be the 1st day of my 2nd year, but surely I'm not a year old until the end of the day on 31st December? Still confused

LynetteScavo Thu 27-Feb-14 20:43:33

Of course she will be 18 tomorrow.

She's not 4 years old, is she!

And if you count your birthday by days, ie 365 X 18, then she will be 18....(lets someone else do the maths as I've ahd a wine and need to put DS2 to bed.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 20:46:07

That's another thing. I get that someone born on the 29th February only has an actual birthday every 4 years, but after 72 years they are definitely 72 years old even though it's their 18th birthday. They can't be 18 because the 'years old' is implied.

And I'm sorry for any alarm my thread title caused, I honestly hadn't realised it could be taken like that till someone said!

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 20:47:46

Lynette- that's not what I meant. I know she is turning 18, but can she legally drink tomorrow or does she need to wait till March 1st as Feb 28th is actually the day before her actual birth date?

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 20:49:59

kisses but if I was born at 12 noon on 1st January, my year isn't completed till 11:59 on 1st January, so I can count the first moment of 1st January as being a year old. Surely?

tb Thu 27-Feb-14 20:52:31

Jean I thought of Pirates of Penzance, too grin

merrymouse Thu 27-Feb-14 20:55:07

Agree with Maureen. I think we all just have to get through the next couple of days by imagining that she is having a meal at home with her family on the Friday night and going out with her mates on the Saturday. I think that would make more sense for her anyway because presumably she is at school tomorrow and might want to get her hair done before she goes out.

meditrina Thu 27-Feb-14 20:55:43

Once upon a time I had a rather good looking young colleague who invited us all for drinks to celebrate his 6th birthday. Rather a good do, and not remotely like a typical children's party

JeanSeberg Thu 27-Feb-14 20:58:03

Jean I thought of Pirates of Penzance, too

Great minds think alike tb!

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:00:35

Thank goodness for family meals. Actually, that makes me think even more. She could go out for a meal with her family, and so long as someone over 18 orders a bottle of wine, and she sits down for the meal, she can drink some of the wine regardless of whether she's turned 18 or not.

At least, that's what we were taught when I was at school, that you can drink wine at 16 with a sit down meal so long as an over 18 orders it. in fact, at our leaving do the teachers ordered us some wine to go with our meal. And I had some even though I hadn't even turned 16 yet.

Hulababy Thu 27-Feb-14 21:00:38

My uncle always celebrates his leap year birthday on the 28th February.

A person with a leap year birthday still accumulates the normal number of years for the ages. They just have a quarter of the actual birthdays.

LynetteScavo Thu 27-Feb-14 21:01:20

Well, If I was serving her in a pub, or a bouncer on the door, I would let her in.

If my birthday suddenly disappeared, I damn well want a drink the day before, in the same month.

Probably, in a court of law, she won't be 18 until the 1st march.

Maybe someone should test it out? Or maybe someone already has, and there is a definitive answer. Actually, there must be.

Aren't there any solicitors on this thread?

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:03:17

lynette if you acknowledge that in a court of law she wouldn't be 18 till march 1st, you'd let her into a venue/serve her alcohol and knowingly break the law and risk prosecution?

LynetteScavo Thu 27-Feb-14 21:10:25

Yes, because I am currently under the influence of a rather decent bottle glass of red wine

I don't acknowledge in a court of law she would still be 17, I suspect. I'm not a lawyer, I don't have a law degree, I'm just guessing. (The law tends to err on the side of boring IME wink)

HadABadDay2014 Thu 27-Feb-14 21:13:07
AnnabelleLee Thu 27-Feb-14 21:13:07

Seriously, risk prosecution? Do you think the police and courts have nothing better to do? Don't be daft.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:18:32

annabelle I don't know about where you live, but round here underage drinking is taken very seriously. The police do undercover operations where they send minors into pubs/clubs/shops to attempt to buy alcohol. They also do random checks of licensed premises to ensure that everyone is of a legal age. People can and do get prosecuted for allowing underage drinking.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:19:25

lynette I think if you were really in that situation, you'd err on the side of boring too?

Sallyingforth Thu 27-Feb-14 21:20:49

Pirates of Penzance anybody?

I've sung Ruth's part! "When Fred'rick was a little lad he grew so brave and daring..."

LynetteScavo Thu 27-Feb-14 21:24:44

Well, if I were making up the law as I went along, and I was a judge wearing a curly wig, having the final say on whether a publican was right or wrong to serve half a larger to someone who celebrating their birthday under these circumstances, I would declare there is no case!

(Dramatically while slamming down my gavel)

That's probably not how these things work, though.

HadABadDay2014 Thu 27-Feb-14 21:24:57

I would rather not sell age restricted things, I have tried googling but found nothing, so rather protect my job/business

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:25:59

I suspect it depends on whether the judge is under the influence of a bottle glass of red.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:27:07

HadaBadDay- do you mean you'd rather not sell them at all?? Or rather not take the risk of selling to someone underage?

LynetteScavo Thu 27-Feb-14 21:34:34

Well, when does the Queen send out telegrams to people who are 100 yo? On the 28th, or the 1st????

HadABadDay2014 Thu 27-Feb-14 21:36:00

Take the risk of selling underage. Like a bottle of wine I would take 1 march 1996 as being of age and not 28th

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:39:24

lynette when they're 100 that would almost always be a leap year as 100 is divisible by 4. The exception would be if they were born on 29th February 2000, as 2100 won't be a leap year (round hundreds have to be divisible by 400 to be a leap year), so I guess we'll find out in 86 years. If we're still alive and actually care by that point.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:39:59

HadaBadDay- that would be my view too. It's just not worth the risk.

MrsGarlic Thu 27-Feb-14 21:40:07

I don't know about leap year babies, but I received my A-level results a day before my 18th birthday (they came out on the 17th and I turned 18 on the 18th). I was not allowed into any of the pubs or bars, they were checking all IDs thoroughly I guess because plenty of underagers would try it on that day? So I couldn't celebrate with everyone else sad

BeCool Thu 27-Feb-14 21:43:40

29th Feb birthday is a February born person not March. I think it is elegant and correct to celebrate in Feb.

AnnabelleLee Thu 27-Feb-14 21:43:51

underage drinking is taken seriously, but someone ending up in court because of one person drinking/buying alcohol the day before they turn 18 because their actual birthday doesn't happen? Come off it. reductio ad absurdum.

IShouldBeDoingSomethingElse Thu 27-Feb-14 21:44:10

I agree, if your birthday is the 59th day of the year then some years that's 29th Feb and if it's not, it's the first of March.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:45:28

Could you not wait till midnight? Ensure everyone went out for a leisurely sit down meal with copious wine first, then off to a club after midnight?

It sucks though, being 17 when all your friends are 18!

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 21:47:50

Annabelle Maybe not in court, but I bet they'd get a fixed penalty fine or whatever the equivalent is!

Bearbehind Thu 27-Feb-14 21:49:33

I definitely thought you meant she'd meet her maker before she was 18 too.

Technically her birthday is the day after 28th Feb which, for 3 years out of 4, is 1st March but if she is anything like the rest of us she's been drinking in pubs for at least 2 years with fake id so where's the problem?

MaureenMLove Thu 27-Feb-14 21:53:30

DD, went out for a friends 18th on the day before she was 18. She doesn't drink anyway, so alcohol wasn't going to be an issue. She didn't even get through the door of the pub! They wouldn't let her in. sad

However, on the day after her 18th, we went to the pub, because DH insisted she had to buy him a pint. She had two 18 badges on and when she went to the bar, no one even asked her for her ID. When DH questioned them later, they said it was obvious her age, because she had a 18th badge on! hmmgrin

HadABadDay2014 Thu 27-Feb-14 21:55:01

It's like those who are September born especially 1st of September they turn 16 but can't leave school until June the following year and the parents would still get school fines or letters about attendance.

CrohnicallyFarting Thu 27-Feb-14 22:05:50

Just trying to think of some more examples of where someone's exact age would make a difference. Because my question was more 'on what day does she legally turn 18?' than 'would you risk serving this girl alcohol?'

Police legally need a parent/guardian there to interview someone under 17. So if they interviewed someone on Feb 28th who was due to turn 17 on 29th would they need a guardian there or not?

Lottery tickets aren't a problem because you need to be 16 for those, and the year you turn 16 should be a leap year (unless you were born in 2084 in which case it hasn't happened yet so no need to worry).

The age of criminal responsibility is 11, so if you committed a crime on feb 28th the year you should turn 11 on the 29th, are you responsible or not?

What about driving a car? Last year she could have got her provisional licence. Would it have been valid from Feb 28th or March 1st?

evertonmint Fri 28-Feb-14 15:50:03

So I looked it up and it turns out that leap babies legally turn 18 on 1st March for electoral purposes, so they couldn't vote if there was an election today and would have to wait until tomorrow. This is in official Electoral Commission documents rather than just someone on the internet saying it is this, so I think I believe it.

From this article it seems like it might be the same for driving licences and buying alcohol.

But other countries are more lenient and let them do it on 28th February!

namechangejustforthisone Fri 28-Feb-14 22:59:33

My birthday is 29th February. My provisional driving licence was valid from 28th.

nannynewo Fri 28-Feb-14 23:16:57

I know several people with feb 29th birthdays. Facebook stated it was their birthday today. Not sure you can use it for a good source though ;)

PerfectlySculpturedHaHa Fri 28-Feb-14 23:32:21

yy re sinister overtones of thread title

BackforGood Fri 28-Feb-14 23:43:09

It won't be an issue though will it, as all teens I know, don't actually start the serious "going out" until after I'm tucked up at home with my cocoa, so she probably will be 18 by the time she hits the clubs / trendy pubs wink

EBearhug Fri 28-Feb-14 23:47:59

I was born in a leap year, and we had a couple of 29th February classmates at school. They usually celebrated on the 28th, but couldn't legally drink till 1st March, I think, the year we all turned 18. (This was a bit academic, given most of us went to the pub anyway, because we knew which ones we'd be least like to be asked for ID in.) I think their birthdays were more special on leap years, though.

falulahthecat Sat 01-Mar-14 00:24:06

Technically, she'd have to live for around 485 years to lose a whole year of her life... at this point she's only lost what, 13/14 days?

So I suppose she'll actually be 18 years old on March 12?

* brain explodes * confused

Adikia Sat 01-Mar-14 02:37:23

I had this conversation with a barman I worked with a few years ago because the pub was quiet and it was one of those weird conversations prompted by it being a leap year and his baby being due at the end of Feb. We tried google and never did find an answer. We decided if it ever came up we would probably go with them turning 18 on the 1st just to be on the safe side, I think that's what most staff would do.

AdoraBell Sat 01-Mar-14 02:44:29

She has two choices OP. Celebrate a different date or only have a birthday every fourth year.

I wouldn't wait four years for my birthday.

honestpointofview Sat 01-Mar-14 09:34:50

Kisses is right. If you followed the principle found in some areas of law she would be 18 on the 28 of Feb. As an example you need two years of service to claim unfair dismissal. If you started on say the 2 March 2012 you would have two years service today. Tomorrow you would have two years and a day. Pensions law has long debated this for the purpose of when he can retire ie is it the day before your birthday.

bottleofbeer Sat 01-Mar-14 10:14:46

My son is 18 today.I went into labour on 29th grin

Stinklebell Sat 01-Mar-14 10:29:44

It would be 1st March I think

I've got a personal alcohol licence and someone else on the course asked as he had a child with a 29th Feb birthday and we were all told 1st March.

The 28th Feb is not the 29th, whether or not the 29th exists that year

mrsjay Sat 01-Mar-14 10:34:48

oh if she got Id she would not get served poor girl wont be able to her a drink in a pub till she is counts fingers 20 odd

Seff Sat 01-Mar-14 10:38:16

Generally speaking, the police wouldn't be going round pubs and clubs checking the ID of everyone in there, so most barstaff would probably be kind about it.

The reason most barstaff get caught serving under 18s is when the police send in people who are under 18 (and they are supposed to look under 18 too) to try and buy alcohol.

In my years of working behind a bar, I've never known it come up though.

As for when people born on the 29th Feb choose to celebrate, some say their birthday is the day after the 28th Feb, so celebrate on 1st March, others say they were born in February, not March, so celebrate on the last day of February.

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