People parking on the pavement

(94 Posts)
nesticles Wed 26-Feb-14 12:54:33

Sorry if this is long.
I am blind and have a 1 year old ds. I use a guide dog so pull the buggy behind me. Yesterday after picking up ds from dm's who had been looking after him while I had a KIT day I came across something that was both dangerous and made me very angry. My guide dog stopped half way along a busy road and wanted to walk in the main road. I was unsure why she was doing this so gingerly walked infront of her to have a feel, Someone had parked a car on the pavement leaving a small gap not big enough to get the buggy through. I couldn't walk in the main road around the parked car so I had to get a sleeping ds out of the buggy, I then had to put him in the sling that was lucklly under the buggy causing a complete melt down, then I had to take the seat of the buggy carry it to the other side of the car, squeeze back between the car and someone's brick wall fold the buggy and carry it back through side ways in the pooring rain. I then had to put the buggy back together and get ds back in to a wet buggy. I am so angry I had to calm down in order to post this today. Not only is this something dangerous to me who is blind but for many many people, mums with buggies, wheelchair users, parents with older children holding hands. Why is this not illegal? Am I being unreasonable to be this cross? What do you guys feel? Has anyone else come across this? Does anyone actually agree with parking on pavements?
PS sorry for typos ds is trying to help!

vj32 Wed 26-Feb-14 12:59:20

I used to live in an area with loads of young families and lots of elderly people in wheelchairs or mobility scooter things of various types. We were on the same small residential road as a primary school, a Drs surgery and two residential homes for the elderly. People parked all over the place including completely blocking pavements and it made me so mad as it was so obviously going to cause a problem.

Not sure what you can do about it though.

drivenfromdistraction Wed 26-Feb-14 13:00:58

YANBU. I think (but am not sure) that parking on the pavement is generally illegal.

Loads of parents do it at our school because they have big cars (the road is perfectly wide enough, there is no need to do it.) I do the school run by foot, with my 3 young DC and find the general standard of driving/parking quite scary at times.

I am on a waiting list for a guide dog by the way.

ProbablyCaroline Wed 26-Feb-14 13:01:41

YANBU it's disgusting! I HATE it. I don't have buggies any more but the amount of times I had to walk in the road...and on Mumsnet people say "Well where do you expect them to park if there's no driveway?"

My answer to that is I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY PARK...just don't park on the paths! It seriously infuriates me. Call your local council weekly about it./...

ProbablyCaroline Wed 26-Feb-14 13:04:23

I just googled and the law is hazy BUT there are some new legislations which will make things a bit better...OP here is a link to the campaign group "Living Streets" which are trying to sort this out...

http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/

JollyMarie79 Wed 26-Feb-14 13:04:33

If it's causing an obstruction you can contact the police who (if they are passing/free) will have a look and deal appropriately whether that be a fixed penalty notice or removal of vehicle. Chances are though by the time the police get there (due to stupid cuts meaning there are not enough of them) the vehicle will probably have moved however the details of the vehicle will remain on file and flag up if another incident is reported involving same vehicle.

ProbablyCaroline Wed 26-Feb-14 13:04:36
manicinsomniac Wed 26-Feb-14 13:04:44

I'm on the fence.

Everybody does it in my road (and fully on the pavement right into the hedge almost) because otherwise a car can't fit on the road which we see as more of a problem than a person not fitting on a pavement. But that's a quiet cul de sac in a tiny village where everybody knows everybody and, if a blind person moved in, there may need to be a rethink.

In the situation you describe I think YANBU, it sounds like dangerous parking.

maillotjaune Wed 26-Feb-14 13:07:38

YANBU at all.

It's frustrating enough dealing with pushchairs when cars park on pavements or the bins are put out inconsiderately on collection day even when you can see so I am angry for you.

Perhaps you could contact local police and ask them if anything can be done?

MangoBiscuit Wed 26-Feb-14 13:08:26

Just yesterday I had someone pull over onto the pavement, in front of me, effectively stopping me in my tracks. The road only had a path on one side, there was a flipping car park not 50 yards behind him (free one, with space, I checked!) and I was pushing a pram one handed, whilst holding onto my 4yo. I just stood there with my mouth open while it sunk in that someone could be so effing selfish.

OP YANBU. sad

summertimeandthelivingiseasy Wed 26-Feb-14 13:17:29

YANBU

This is getting so commonplace, people have even started to do it on my road which is plenty wide enough to park on. They use the dropped kerbs for the houses and drive along with one wheel on the footpath.

From what I understand, it is not illegal to park on the footpath, but it is illegal to drive on the footpath (which you have to do if you are going to park on it hmm), but in the past the local police have only been interested if they can catch someone who does it at exactly the same time each day so that they can see them driving on the footpath.

However, my DF got a ticket for this in Manchester, for parking on what should have been the footpath, if it had not been demolished, along with the buildings behind it. So it can be done. It was a whole load of people at a concert, so easy for the police to do it en masse.

BumpyGrindy Wed 26-Feb-14 13:19:12

Manic well why don't people park elsewhere?? The pavement is for walking on! Motorists already have the lion's share of the highways...why let them take the WHOLE path?

muppetthecow Wed 26-Feb-14 13:19:36

YADNBU. It's the norm around here, unfortunately, and I frequently have to walk in the road with the buggy and/or a toddler. There's a 90 degree turn into our street, and then another just around the corner towards the main road. People very seldom slow down in spite of the fact that they can't see if anybody (including other traffic!) is around the corner.

We're currently petitioning the council to make it residents only, as at the moment it's mostly people from local businesses who don't want to pay to park in their own car park. I would have no issue with them parking on the street if they did it safely, they have every legal right to do it, but they don't so I do angry

rockybalboa Wed 26-Feb-14 13:22:58

Where I live the parking bays are actually painted half on the pavement and half on the road. The roads are only wide enough for one car to pass anyway so the cars can't park fully on the road. There is enough space to get a buggy (and presumably a wheelchair) between the cars and the houses though although not on bin day where there are wheelie bins blocking the pavement.

OddFodd Wed 26-Feb-14 13:26:57

You might see it as more of a problem for a car to have to park further away than for a person to have to walk in the road but that's not very convenient for the disabled is it manic? angry

OP - YANBU at all - I'm really shocked that it isn't illegal to block pavements. I thought it was

bigbluebus Wed 26-Feb-14 13:28:14

Everyone does it around here too and it infuriates me as DD is a wheelchair user and we often end up having to walk down the road instead of the pavement.
I always thought it was illegal, but one of my neighbours, who is a policeman, does it - so I'm not sure.
I was standing on the pavement next to my house one day chatting to a neighbour, when one of the other neighbours from across the road arrived home in her car. She peeped her horn at us to move as she wanted to park where we were standing. I was so gobsmacked, I couldn't say anything shock

nesticles Wed 26-Feb-14 13:31:01

I think that if they left enough room and it was an expected thing...so I would know for example that so and so road allow parking on pavements in a safe way it would be fine. It's people who don't care, don't look and think it's ok. The police don't seem to be interested but are if they can get money out of it such as on permit holder only bays. The police say it's the council's responsibility whilst the council bat it back to the police. grrrr!

tinkertitonk Wed 26-Feb-14 13:35:31

The priority must be for fire engines to be able to get through. As a very nice fireman pointed out to me when there was a fire on our narrow street. Since then I have always parked on the pavement.

WooWooOwl Wed 26-Feb-14 13:39:54

I don't think parking on a pavement is that terrible, people do it on our road all the time otherwise half the street wouldn't be able to park at all without blocking the road completely.

The problem comes when people don't leave enough space for things like pushchairs and wheelchairs to get past.

Rather than ban pavement parking all together, I'd rather see some sort of public information campaign that will make people aware of the fact that buggies and wheelchairs need to be able to use the pavement, so people shouldn't park so far onto a pavement that they block access and create dangerous situations.

I think many people who do it are trying to be considerate to other road users when they should be being considerate to pedestrians just because that's the position they have come from.

BumpyGrindy Wed 26-Feb-14 13:40:00

Oh yes because fire engines are as common as pushchairs and wheelchairs....what a crock.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 26-Feb-14 13:40:21

If there isn't enough room for you to park on the street and let a fire engine through, and parking on the footpath would create an obstruction and force someone in a wheelchair or with a pram/small children into the road, then you need to park elsewhere.

mousmous Wed 26-Feb-14 13:43:55

yanbu

it's even illegal to park without leaving enough space for pedestrians/wheelchair users to pass safely.

can you next time take a photo of the car and report?

OddFodd Wed 26-Feb-14 13:44:06

Well quite Hop.

It's not an either/or situation

Rockchick1984 Wed 26-Feb-14 13:47:12

Had a car who used to do this all the time where I used to live - and was right on a bend so dangerous to try and walk on the road around. Myself and a few other mums took to knocking at his house EVERY TIME we wanted to walk past with a pram, claiming to be concerned that we would scratch his car by trying to squeeze past... Took about 3 weeks but he stopped doing it grin

BumpyGrindy Wed 26-Feb-14 13:53:55

Odd yes it is.

SaveTheMockingBird Wed 26-Feb-14 14:01:33

YANBU at all. This pisses me off too. It's fine if they have left enough room to pass, but a lot of the time the pavements round here are narrow, and a parked car can completely block the pavement, and why should me and my 2 small DCs have to go to the road? And this is in a newish estate where there are drives and secure car parking to each house. Lazy parking, can't be bother to walk a few feet to their car park.

AbbeyBartlet Wed 26-Feb-14 14:02:53

I came across this the other day - a lady with a mobility scooter couldn't get past a van that was parked on the pavement (it was hard enough to walk past.) I went into the office he was parked outside and told him to move his van. Parking is crap round here but that was taking the piss.

Nocomet Wed 26-Feb-14 14:03:21

What angers me is when the council give planing permission for housing developments with nothing like enough parking.

I'm sure the ridiculous one in our nearest town is supposed to be green, no one owns cars and everyone uses buses.

Unfortunately no one has seen any flying pigs, green or otherwise, all the flats and houses own cars and it's almost impossible to drive through even though the cars are in the pavements.

I dread to think how they'd get a big fire engine into some of the flats.

AbbeyBartlet Wed 26-Feb-14 14:03:51

And the poor woman couldn't even go into the road because it was a bus lane and there was tons of traffic

CorusKate Wed 26-Feb-14 14:10:47

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

duckandcover Wed 26-Feb-14 14:17:14

op under the DDA, think you can pull up the LA on not providing you equal access...not sure how often this has worked but looks like a valid point. Everyone should be able to use highways, not just those who can squeeze past or get on the road. I HATE when this happens with a passion. Most of us are drivers AND pedestrians; they are not mutually exclusive, and surely we all should be interested in protecting the most vulnerable users.

PatrickStarisabadbellend Wed 26-Feb-14 14:18:31

I badly scratched a car with my dd's pram once. I was walking home in the pissing down rain, in the dark on a main road during rush hour. A car was so far on the pavement that I had to force the pram through.

I had 2 kids under 7 and a baby in a pram. No way I was going to out any if them in danger.

BumpyGrindy Wed 26-Feb-14 14:21:20

I have done that too Patrick And I'd do it again.

PatrickStarisabadbellend Wed 26-Feb-14 14:29:11

I will never put my children in any danger, nor myself. If I cause any damage to a car tough tits.

WholeLottaRosie Wed 26-Feb-14 14:29:41

It's really difficult if you're pushing an adult in a wheelchair, not just that the cars are actually blocking your path but that in doing so they are also usually blocking the dropped kerb. I've had to put my back to the traffic, brace the wheelchair with my body, try and tilt the wheelchair back - not always easy when the person sitting in the chair weighs more than you do - and thump down off the kerb. Then had some twat of a motorist shout "Get off the road you stupid cow".
So, no I don't have a lot of sympathy with people who think they have to park on the pavement because the road is too narrow.

AlpacaLypse Wed 26-Feb-14 14:36:56

I too have been on both ends of this. As a driver I was ticketed for obstructing the pavement. It's a stretch where the pavement is massively wide, and most cars are parked a little bit up on it to save their wing mirrors. At the time, I was also pushing a side-by-side double buggy with my twins, and I knew that I'd left more than enough room for it as I'd pushed it past after parking. The warden who'd done the ticket was actually still in the street and I asked him what I'd done - he said 'What if a wheelchair user wanted to get past?' So I demonstrated with the buggy. He said he'd written it now, tough, basically. I do wish I'd appealed to be honest, but I was so tired all the time in those days.

And it wasn't until I had the buggy to deal with that I appreciated dropped kerbs and learned to hate A-boards and bin day.

Anyway, laws do exist to prevent this, but there are hardly any people to enforce them. The wardens tend to focus on areas where there is time restricted parking, which around here always has painted bays on the road, or on the council car parks looking for expired tickets. They can generate far more per day in fines for Wiltshire Council doing that than by wandering round the residential unrestricted streets looking for the odd bit of pavement obstruction or double yellow line infringements.

ouryve Wed 26-Feb-14 14:43:37

When you encounter this, call 101. It is an offence to park blocking a public right of way but councils don't currently have any powers to deal with it.

It does drive me up the wall when people do this. I have my 7 year old, with ASD in a Maclaren Major buggy and it's a hefty thing to be heaving up and down full height kerbs. I am quite tempted to carry little cards saying "if the road is too dangerous for your precious car, then why is it OK for my children?"

ouryve Wed 26-Feb-14 14:53:52

Someone does annual FOIs to our council regarding pavement access in a particular village in our county. I'll have a look for one of them when I've collected the boys, as one of the responses explains the regulations.

OddFodd Wed 26-Feb-14 14:57:09

I meant that it isn't either park on the road so a fire engine can't get through or park on the pavement. That's the false dichotomy. If you can't park without either nicking the pavement or the road, then it's not safe to park there.

hmc Wed 26-Feb-14 14:59:51

I think the scenario you describe is awful and hugely inconsiderate.

However there are roads around where I live (village, rural) which are not wide enough in places for two vehicles to comfortably pass in opposite directions. I have seen vehicles partially parked on the pavement and it doesn't provoke my ire as long as the remaining pavement is wide enough for the 'largest' legitimate user, which is likely to be a wheelchair / double buggy

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 26-Feb-14 15:00:12

I get very ragey about people who ignore parking rules. There is a walk in clinic in my village/town. It has double yellow lines outside the entrance and it is on a junction with a main road. When people park on the double yellows, even if they are only stopping for a few minutes to pick someone up, it means to get past you need to go onto the wrong side of the road, and anyone turning into the road could hit you, it gets on my tits. If you wait you end up with a queue of angry motorists behind you.

That and a local major shopping centre (big famous one in the north west) give me high blood pressure. Oh sweet jesus. The parking. Since no one can be arsed to walk anywhere, they park their tosser-mobiles up on the paths, on the curbs, in places that just aren't parking spaces. Just go to the overflow carpark you twats! The management sometimes block the paths (with dropped curbs) with massive concrete blocks, to stop people doing this and I have these moments where I wish I was the Hulk and I could just pick the blocks up and drop them onto the WAG style pristine white range rovers cars. HULK SMASH!

Greyhorses Wed 26-Feb-14 15:30:33

Around my area ( rural) the roads are only big enough for a car to pass if we park half on the pavement. To park on the road would block it for all road users including police/ambulance/people trying to get to their own houses.

Not sure what else people are meant to do in the above situation?

The whole villiage is like this, unfortunately up north villages seem to be not very well designed for cars!

Obviously I wouldn't block the road and would make sure someone can pass but I don't get annoyed by cars on the pavement as long as they have left some room.

Bewilderedotcom Wed 26-Feb-14 15:34:01

It's illegal to park on the pavement unless there are clear signs permitting it. Call the traffic police, the bastard would get a fine and maybe think twice next time angry

polarpercy Wed 26-Feb-14 15:55:28

What annoys me around where I live is that cars park bumper to bumper along a road and then you get one idiot who has parked on the pavement in this line (does that make sense?). Meaning I start off pushing the pushchair along the pavement not realising and then encounter the jerk who has blocked the path. More often than not it means I have to turn the pushchair around and go back until I am past the cars or try and squeeze through a gap in the cars, so my visibility is reduced, and walk in the road.

ouryve Wed 26-Feb-14 15:56:27

Found it
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/obstruction_of_pavements_2#incoming-403369

"tables/chairs on the footpath in Main Street is a local
authority issue"

"Obstruction of the pavements by vehicles and blocking
dropped kerbs are still the remit of the police."

polarpercy Wed 26-Feb-14 15:56:54

Oh and the cars who can see what you are doing and why who sit behind you revving, as happened to us yesterday! Or the cars who drive behind or at you along the pavement to avoid having to wait for oncoming traffic (off topic I know!) and then have the gall to shake their head at you! There are some real charmers on the road around here.

MostWicked Wed 26-Feb-14 15:58:28

This makes me so so so so SO cross!

Completely ignorant and selfish drivers. There is NO excuse. This garbage about the road not being wide enough or fire engines needing access. If you can't park without blocking access for other cars, fire engines OR pedestrians, then you can't park there!! It's not difficult to understand. Why is it ok to block the pavement for wheelchairs but not ok to block the road for cars? Are cars more important somehow?

I would vote for a giant munchy machine that rumbled along the pavement randomly once a month or so, chewing up anything on the pavement that wasn't supposed to be there

That is SUCH a brilliant idea!

Shame stupid, ignorant, selfish, lazy drivers by taking a photograph and posting on https://twitter.com/YPLAC

polarpercy Wed 26-Feb-14 16:03:27

A friend sent me this, they don't have one in my area but the sticker idea looks good! Say no to pavement parking

CrispyFB Wed 26-Feb-14 16:03:43

YANBU a thousand times over. There is loads of it round here, including on blind corners and it drives me bonkers, and I don't even have the same issues you have. I have the pushchair, or I have DS on reins and a crutch (am heavily pregnant) so I can't fit through either. I have two older DDs I need to keep an eye on too so stepping out into a busy road is not setting a good example. I have been a wheelchair user in the past temporarily and it was such an eye opener as to what a huge deal kerbs are, so regardless of safety, having to go into the road without a dropped kerb is a nightmare.

Unfortunately as a driver I fully understand that sometimes there is no alternative about parking - old streets built in a time when there were no cars, or only one car per household, or new businesses in an area where there were none. But even so, I would never park so somebody in a mobility scooter (so fairly wide) could not get through - I'd just have to find another road to park on.

kelper Wed 26-Feb-14 16:03:50

I remember when ds was tiny, having a VERY loud fake conversation on my phone about how inconsiderate someone was to have parked on the pavement on a bend so I had to walk in the road. I got a few minutes up the road and said car drove past me smile

HavantGuard Wed 26-Feb-14 16:18:07

I have heard rumour of very, very naughty people causing criminal damage by keying such cars.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit Wed 26-Feb-14 16:23:24

Well, the zip on my bag is very sharp, and if I have to squeeze past... It was an accident, honestly.

Greydog Wed 26-Feb-14 16:26:01

I often find, when squeezing past badly parked cars, that I misjudge the space, and have knocked many, many wing mirrors askew.

Financeprincess Wed 26-Feb-14 16:35:59

Yes, ring 101. I did, when a white van blocked the entire pavement on a poorly-lit road with pavement on one side only. I had to help a woman get two little children past the wretched thing - we had to walk them into the busy traffic, in the dark.

I rang 101 and they sent a community support officer to move the van on.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 26-Feb-14 16:36:47

YANBU. Our village has narrow pavements only just wide enough but knobheads people still insist on parking on them. A while ago a car was totally obstructing the pavement so I (and my dog) had to walk around it. Fortunately I'd noticed that there was a man in the drivers seat, passenger window down chatting to someone over a garden wall ... so wasn't taken totally by surprise when without looking around he started to pull out. I yelled, he looked extremely shocked (and fortunately for him, apologetic).

If I'd been the OP hate to think what could have happened.

MissBattleaxe Wed 26-Feb-14 16:36:56

OP you are absolutely NOT being remotely unreasonable in the slightest.

My pet hate is people who see Double Yellow Lines and think that they mean "Do Not park on the road, but please help yourself to the entire width of the pavement"

I then have to walk in the road with my young children, putting them and me at risk, just so some TWAT can go to the cashpoint, get chips, pop in the shop etc.

You would think that having to park a small convenient distance away in a safe place, was an outrageously impossible thing to ask of a driver, but meanwhile, blind pedestrians with children (such as nesticles our OP) , or people with buggies or in wheelchairs can just get stuffed. God forbid a driver should have to walk anywhere!

ReadyToPopAndFresh Wed 26-Feb-14 16:44:39

YANBU it's so rude. There is a massive twat who does thiss just near a blind bend in my town. I used to push double buggy down a verge in to the road and then try and push it back up. There was no crosswalk no pavement on other side and had a few very close calls. Usually flooded by the road .The only way to town angry

fuck knows what a wheel chair user would do!

PenguinsEatSpinach Wed 26-Feb-14 17:01:27

This gives me the rage and I don't even have your issues.

Round by me people think that they are being 'considerate' parking on the pavement because it means that two cars can still also pass on the road rather than taking turns. Yes, by bloody stealing pedestrian space. It has also chewed up grass verges between pavement and road in lots of our residential areas, resulting in a mud bath.

If you need to park on the pavement then it isn't a parking space. Park further away from your destination and bloody well walk!

Anothermrssmith Wed 26-Feb-14 17:14:42

Not unreasonable at all and I say that as someone who regularly has to park on the pavement outside my house. I live in a flat on a main road with no off street parking unfortunately. However before I get torn to shreds can I just say in my defence that I will always make sure there's enough room for a buggy or wheelchair to pass without having to leave the pavement and there are bits of the street where I wont park because lamp posts or electricity boxes mean I cant do this (unfortunately no one else in my street seems to consider this though).

I always thought it wasn't illegal as such but the police CAN issue a penalty if it's blocking the pavement, though i'm sure I read somewhere that they will only do that if they actually see you doing it.

There is a woman close to where I live who used to park on the pavement. Her husband liked to use the drive so she wouldn't.

She also use to have a lovely flower bed at the bottom of the drive.

One day when I was out with dd inm the pushchair she pulled up in front of me and then refused to move. I even asked nicely. I pushed the buggy through her flowers.

At the time I was on the residents committee and the woman and her husband turned up to complain about vandalism, they were very vocal until I suggested it was linked to her parking.

Anonymai Wed 26-Feb-14 17:27:22

Yanbu. I hate it when people do this. There's someone near here who also blocks the little crossing near a school, the ones with the yellow bobbles to show where it is. Big posh house, big posh drive and so many cars they feel it's necessary to block the crossing next to their house.

JackNoneReacher Wed 26-Feb-14 17:35:35

IME its a police responsibility not council. The police are able to give fixed penalty notices.

They did this locally when people started blocking the pavement on the bend of a fast road near us. Totally unsafe to walk on the road at this point.

Obstructing the pavement is an offence.

If the police are denying they can do anything I would escalate it to another level. Especially if you've only spoken to a PCSO or similar. They may just not realise what their powers are. If you still have no joy, make a complaint to them or contact your local councillor. It sounds dangerous and exactly the sort of thing they should be able to help with.

I can't stand this culture of "we have to park on the pavement around here, there is nowhere else". Which means, "we are too lazy to park safely" and "our cars are more important that pedestrians".

Hope you get somewhere, it sounds difficult enough having a dog and a pushchair without having to navigate roads because of lazy motorists.

YANBU at all - inconsiderate bastards! angry

AgaPanthers Wed 26-Feb-14 18:00:20

I've always been tempted to key the bastards' cars, but never quite been brave enough.

candycoatedwaterdrops Wed 26-Feb-14 18:09:54

You can get a PCN for parking on pavement. I learned the hard way as a new driver. It's also really bad for your car, so if nothing else....think of your car. Don't park on the pavements, it's selfish as fuck!

Perfectlypurple Wed 26-Feb-14 18:17:05

The police do not get money from people parking in permit holder spaces.

The police can ticket someone parking on the pavement but they have to witness the obstruction. So they have to see someone trying to pass not just that if someone wanted to pass.

Ring 101 at the time. Tell them the circumstances and that you are afraid to walk in the road. In those circumstances they should attend fairly quickly.

If there isn't room to park properly then there just isn't room so you have to park somewhere else entirely.

What next? "I had to park on your lawn because both pavements were full?"

hmc Wed 26-Feb-14 18:46:15

Keying someone's car is criminally wrong, and rather base unacceptable vigilante behaviour irrespective of how inconsiderate the car owner has been

Not that I am condoning parking on pavements - where this causes obstruction by all means report it and perhaps take a photo too perhaps to pass on to authorities

AgaPanthers Wed 26-Feb-14 18:50:28

"Keying someone's car is criminally wrong"

Since when did that stop people doing things? Speeding is criminal too, doesn't stop anyone does it?

"and rather base unacceptable vigilante behaviour irrespective of how inconsiderate the car owner has been"

Well not really. It does very much depend how inconsiderate the car owner has been. Blocking the whole pavement when there's a perfectly good space on the road is much worse than a mere wheel on a wide pavement.

"Not that I am condoning parking on pavements - where this causes obstruction by all means report it and perhaps take a photo too perhaps to pass on to authorities"

Lol, which authorities are going to give a fuck?

"Keying someone's car is criminally wrong"

Yes, it is, but if there's no room for the buggy and you find it scraping along the side of the car I'd call that the fault of the driver.

BlueberryWoods Wed 26-Feb-14 18:56:48

It's tempting to walk up and over the offending vehicle! Maybe just get the kids to do it grin

hmc Wed 26-Feb-14 18:58:45

Well, funnily enough I believe someone on this very thread has told us how she got a parking ticket issued by a traffic warden for parking on the pavement Agapanthers - so those authorities I suppose.

AgaPanthers Wed 26-Feb-14 19:02:32

It would be nice if Parking Pataweyo was omnipresent to prohibit all acts of cuntish parking, but sadly it's not quite the case. Could do with a few outside schools in the morning too wink

MostWicked Wed 26-Feb-14 19:18:06

Keying someone's car is criminally wrong, and rather base unacceptable vigilante behaviour irrespective of how inconsiderate the car owner has been

Maybe not, but when I had to force my double buggy past a car that had taken up half the pavement, and scraped the car in the process, that's unfortunate and completely accidental.

Quoteunquote Wed 26-Feb-14 19:25:42

Funnily enough if you park on pavements around here you end up with footprints (not all human) across your vehicle.

I love a challenge, and so do my dogs who follow me everywhere.

Funnily enough no one ever wants to argue the toss with me about why I shouldn't. Which is a shame because I love the chance to re educate people.

We have the only village without pavement parkers in the whole area.

Only lazy rude people park on pavements.

siblingrevelry Wed 26-Feb-14 19:37:15

This occurs for two reasons; people who do it are lazy and people believe they have a right to park outside their own house.

So all those explaining their mitigating circumstances and wondering what else they're supposed to do, it's quite simple; park elsewhere, even if it's away from your house!

hmc Wed 26-Feb-14 19:50:47

I'd love to discuss it with you in person Quoteunquote because you wouldn't intimidate me - and I would delight in reporting you for criminal damage if I saw you or your dogs walking on someone's car (not my own, just anyone's) - simply because you sound really arsey and I don't like hypocrites (i.e. people who complain about inconsiderate drivers breaking the law by obstructing pavements then think they are above the law and can damage the offending vehicles)

hmc Wed 26-Feb-14 19:58:31

Also bit confused about the walking on car bit. Are you in the circus?

Cookethenook Wed 26-Feb-14 20:06:16

YANBU.

I walk a 5 mile school run every day with a buggy and get driven mad by people parked inconsiderately. I want to get some stickers printed that say "you park like an idiot"... ones that are really difficult to get off!

heronsfly Wed 26-Feb-14 20:08:20

YANBU, I unintentionaly badly scratched a pavement parked car with my pram a few years ago, I still feel guilty about it but there was no way I was taking a new baby and a toddler out into the main road.

Bettterandnow Wed 26-Feb-14 20:41:32

rockybalboa same as where i live plus thebiggest hazardis. A few streets away people are always having extensions and the vans have no option but to park on the pavement for months on end or block the road all day. I blame planners etc. the pavements and roads are not planned for people to live on where i live. There is always a hazard for all so even worse if you are as OP. It makes me fume.

manicinsomniac Wed 26-Feb-14 20:43:30

You might see it as more of a problem for a car to have to park further away than for a person to have to walk in the road but that's not very convenient for the disabled is it manic? angry

There isn't anywhere else to park. Just a few more cul de sacs and a roads that are also single track (as ours is) and have their own residents parked up on the pavements and the one main road through the village that nobody can park. Oh, and the pub car park - but I don't think that would go down too well!

It would be much more of a problem for all of us, disabled and non disabled, not to be able to own cars in our village in the middle of nowhere than to walk down the quiet single track road that serves as both pavement and road so we can park on the pavement.

PhallicGiraffe Wed 26-Feb-14 20:59:31

Don't forget Royal Mail staff with their trollies too. It annoys them just as much, stops them from doing the job they're supposed to.

PhallicGiraffe Wed 26-Feb-14 21:09:50
MostWicked Wed 26-Feb-14 21:11:17

You might see it as more of a problem for a car to have to park further away than for a person to have to walk in the road but that's not very convenient for the disabled is it

You cannot use that argument, because one disabled person can't intentionally make a pavement inaccessible for another disabled person.
And I would somehow expect a disabled driver to be more than aware of the need to keep the pavement clear so not park on one.

AgaPanthers Wed 26-Feb-14 21:15:14
Pipbin Wed 26-Feb-14 22:34:42

There isn't anywhere else to park I sympathise and it might be something to campaign about. The current situation is getting worse.

Still, it doesn't make it right. What happens if there are cars parked on all the pavements. Should you then park on the school playground on in someone's garden and say "There isn't anywhere else to park"?

OddFodd Wed 26-Feb-14 23:47:44

MostWicked - I was quoting manic, not talking about disabled drivers.

Some of our very narrow old roads here have no pavements but they have no parking either. So people that live on those roads accept that they have to park a way away. The roads are SO narrow though that if a car parked at all, even on the pavement, it would block the entire road so people don't. If cars could actually get past though, I'm pretty sure people would park there because sadly most people are a lot more worried about causing an obstruction for other vehicles than they are people on foot

CromeYellow Thu 27-Feb-14 00:07:27

yanbu, it's incredibly selfish, if drivers need to park further away so they're not blocking the path they should get off their lazy arses and do that. I'd love to see mandatory confiscation of the car and a huge fine for any idiot caught doing that. There is no excuse for blocking peoples right of way and endangering the most vulnerable members of society.

The number of times I was forced to push dd onto a busy main road because of selfish bastards like that, I was so tempted to key their cars....angry and in all cases there were plenty of parking spaces available, they just wanted to save themselves walking a few extra feet. It's so much worse and more dangerous for people in wheelchairs or those who are blind....gives me rage.

Quoteunquote Thu 27-Feb-14 13:08:49

hmc

I have no intention of intimidating anyone, I have much better things to do with my life, but I do not give into bullies, never have never will,

Well we live in a tiny village (south hams), with very narrow lanes, mostly without pavements, it can be very dangerous,

We do have a few pavements in places where it would be certain death to walk in the road, lots of the places where you do have to walk in the road on narrow bends with twenty foot sheer banks don't have them, we rely on each other driving very slowly and carefully, which of course anyone cutting through is not, nor are the grockelstourists.

In the rare places we have managed to squeeze a pavement in they are life savers, so when some selfish lazy twonk decides to park on the pavement, it means all our elderly residents, children, wheelchair users, have to walk into very dangerous traffic.

Pavements are for people, everyone is a pedestrian, everyone needs them, cars do not need them.

The police will not prosecute me for walking over cars on pavements, I have being trying for years to get them to, I have in fact called them myself on occasions, no one wants to go to court and explain that they parked their car on a pavement blocking it, so leaving people the choice of walking into traffic, or climbing over it.

I have also used my tractor to pull cars off pavements, and out of gateways,

If you cannot follow the highway code don't drive, it is very simple.

PigletJohn Thu 27-Feb-14 14:02:18

it's my belief that if you have a wheelchair or a pram, and someone is parked on the pavement, you are entitled to try to squeeze through the gap.

If they didn't want their car to be scratched, they wouldn't have put it on the pavement.

BTW it is quite hard to get a wheelchair with an adult in it, up a curb. They are not as light as buggies or prams.

ErrolTheDragon Thu 27-Feb-14 15:11:58

Piglet - yes, I was surprised how hard it was when I took my mum out in a chair, and goodness knows how people who are self-propelled manage. Presumably most have to spend longer in the road between whatever dropped kerbs are available which could be round a corner or other such unsafe place.

MrsPear Thu 27-Feb-14 21:01:53

I once had to walk around a car that was parked straight across the pavement which meant walking into a busy road. It was a police car and the officers were eating! It is not just cars we seen to have a problem with rubbish esp mattresses and god they can get heavy after rain.

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