to think this is NOT an unhealthy lunch

(416 Posts)
ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:01:15

DStS's teacher (he is in Junior school) pulled me aside after school to say his lunch was deemed 'an unhealthy lunch' and their first step was to give me a 'verbal warning' before writing to me. She even said 'I'm sure you can understand why we think this.'

This is what he had -
- Small pot of home made hummus
- Large wholemeal pitta cut into strips
- A hardboiled egg
- A handful of celery sticks
- A handful of carrot sticks
- A small pot of raisins
- Matchbox sized lump of chedder (which he saved to eat on the way home)
- Satusuma
- Small yoghurt

We've given him sandwiches and he never touches them but dippy types of food are always eaten and he reports how much he enjoys them. He isn't messy, almost to a fault, so I can't see them being bothered about a 'bits and bobs' lunch making a mess.

Is this unhealthy? I am racking my mind to figure out how on earth this is unhealthy? She wouldn't specify, I expect because it wasn't her who saw his lunch but rather it was reported back via lunch time staff.
I feel really annoyed to be told off by the teacher, she was pretty sneery and it wasn't until I got home I realised I should have asked to speak to the head.

EasterHoliday Mon 24-Feb-14 17:03:04

She's confused your lunch with someone else's, or he's swapped it with the kid who has wagon wheels dipped in nutella for lunch. I can't see a way to make a packed lunch much healthier than that.
Maybe you're showing up the others who have taken dairylea dunkers and belvita breakfast bars?

Gremlingirl Mon 24-Feb-14 17:03:54

That is possibly the healthiest packed lunch I have ever heard of. The teacher is either bonkers or has mixed you up with someone else.

LisaAYarrow Mon 24-Feb-14 17:04:24

Yanbu! That's an amazing lunch. smile Are you sure that he's not trading his with someone else at school though? Do you know for sure this is the actual lunch the school saw him eat?

SuburbanRhonda Mon 24-Feb-14 17:04:26

Wow, OP, I'd love a lunchbox like that!

Are you sure the teacher didn't get your DS mixed up with another child? That sounds like one of the healthiest lunch boxes ever (presume he had a drink, too?)

hmm

McPie Mon 24-Feb-14 17:05:07

Cheese is full of fat, raisins full of sugar? Clutching at straws over their unhealthy claim here!

Cakeismymaster Mon 24-Feb-14 17:05:13

How the hell is it the schools business what is in his lunch!

cookiemonster5678 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:05:13

I personally would tell them to shove their opinions up their arses.

It is an exceptionally healthy lunch, especially for a child, keep doing what you are doing, what can school staff really do? confused

harriet247 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:05:26

The only thing i would see as 'wrong' is that perhaps its not very calorific. But im really looking for bad points there!she must have you confused with someone else!

Dollslikeyouandme Mon 24-Feb-14 17:06:06

I can only think they've got his lunch mixed up with someone else.

Did you ask her which bit was unhealthy?

phantomnamechanger Mon 24-Feb-14 17:06:39

I think that's rather a lot of food and the sort of food that takes a long time to eat, but if he can eat all that, its very healthy IMO.

has there been a miscommunication between teacher and dinner lady and they have got the first name right and the wrong surname, something like that? so the teacher has spoken to the wrong parent?

DorisAllTheDay Mon 24-Feb-14 17:06:49

It doesn't look unhealthy to me. Was the teacher mixing you up with another parent? I can't see the objection to anything you've got in there, nor anything missing. I'd go back to the teacher as a first step and ask what exactly it was she objected to, and take it from there.

And the language of 'verbal warning' is completely inappropriate. Yes, by all means have a word with a parent before sending a letter, in the interests of sorting things informally wherever possible, but why on earth call that a verbal warning? Maybe it's just the turn of phrase used by this particular teacher, but it makes the school sound hugely bureaucratic.

ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:06:55

I hadn't even thought she might have mixed me up with someone else. In my pregnancy hormones I've been wondering if I missed some kind of news article about the horrors of hummus.

I'm very lucky in that all my DC will eat anything I give them!

He didn't have a drink packed because he helps himself to the jugs of water.

cookiemonster5678 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:06:58

Oooooh a verbal warning, a letter, how scary !confused Idiots...

McPie Mon 24-Feb-14 17:07:11

To be honest I want you to make my lunch for me every day smile
They must have him mixed up with someone else.

neolara Mon 24-Feb-14 17:07:11

That sounds a very healthy lunch to me. I really don't get what's to complain about.

I actually don't mind that school's do some degress of monitoring of what is in packed lunches. However, if they are going to do so, they need to not be silly about it.

I'd go back in and have a chat with the teacher. Sometimes it's helpful to think "Why would a reasonable, rational person have said what they did to me?", instead of going in all cross and ranty. In all likelihood, she probably didn't see the lunch box, or she got confused with another child.

EasterHoliday Mon 24-Feb-14 17:07:16

Drop her a note telling her what you sent in and ask what she saw your child eating. WIth a photo of your child, in case she's confused who belongs to who...

WilsonFrickett Mon 24-Feb-14 17:08:14

Oh GOD this kind of thing boils my piss.

I'd email and ask them to explain in writing why they think it's unhealthy. Then I'd go back and challenge every single bloody word they say.

Irrational angry

ChoccyDigestive82 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:08:23

Hmm, maybe it's just not as healthy as the turkey twizzlers offered by their canteen

I would ask for clarification, because if that's deemed unhealthy I have no idea what you'd ever get past the lunch box police!

Dollslikeyouandme Mon 24-Feb-14 17:10:24

I loved the thread on here once where someone said that they put fruit in their dc's lunchbox every day, it never gets eaten but it keeps the lunchbox police happy.

starlight1234 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:11:53

I think it sounds a great lunch...yes I would go back and talk to her again...I would not accept a verbal warning for that lunch at all...

Notify Mon 24-Feb-14 17:12:40

Hmm, i think the message probably got muddled between the dinner hall and the classroom, or it's mistaken identity. If anyone has raised a concern about that lunch it's about it being insufficient

eightandthreequarters Mon 24-Feb-14 17:12:45

I would take this very seriously indeed, OP. Give the school a written copy of everything you have given him for lunch. Request that the lunchroom staff and the classroom teacher 'sign off' on his lunch. Tell them you are terrified of ruining your son's health with satsumas and hummus. Make sure he is not given any chocolate by a friend, too, as heaven knows that will lead to obesity and crack addiction.

ShatzePage Mon 24-Feb-14 17:12:58

Stealth boast.

DarlingGrace Mon 24-Feb-14 17:13:10

Are there any calories in that? It looks like water to me. It's the sort of thing I would eat on a detox diet (minus the cheese)

ReadyToPopAndFresh Mon 24-Feb-14 17:13:55

Why didn't you ask her what wasn;t healthy?

Maybe she'd one of those people who doesn't think it;s a "Proper" meal without meat?

ReadyToPopAndFresh Mon 24-Feb-14 17:15:20

cheese/egg/chickepeas all have good calories in them same with the pitta bread. Surely it's the same a sandwich?

WorraLiberty Mon 24-Feb-14 17:15:24

And this mix up didn't come to light when you asked her to explain what was wrong with the lunch? confused

arethereanyleftatall Mon 24-Feb-14 17:15:44

Agree with everyone else. That can't be the lunch the comments were made upon .

Notify Mon 24-Feb-14 17:16:13

Dolls, i put a raw carrot in ds2's box everyday knowing i will cook it for tea when he gets home....

I give him a pate if chopped up apples, some grapes or a banana when he gets in which he eats fine but not in his lunch confused . If i send fruit it comes home fit for nothing

notso Mon 24-Feb-14 17:17:04

When she said I'm sure you can understand why we think this didn't you say no?

ivykaty44 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:17:47

ask to see their qualifications as a dietician to be able to be conducting this punishment. TBH a note to the head teacher and copy in governors asking to see all relevant qualifications and guide lines for this rule and punishment

Martorana Mon 24-Feb-14 17:17:49

Why didn't you ask her what was unhealthy about it?

cithkadston Mon 24-Feb-14 17:18:19

I'd be hopping mad at being given a 'verbal warning' about any lunch, let alone one as healthy as that!!

Groovee Mon 24-Feb-14 17:18:29

My friend got a letter home about her children's unhealthy lunch, which was usually a pot of rice salad or a pasta salad which was home made. Turned out a new member of staff who had limited english couldn't understand what the head was talking about when explaining it, so he had said "No sandwiches" and she had sent a letter home because they had a pot of salad.

campion Mon 24-Feb-14 17:18:49

A 'verbal warning'? Is your DS at a prison camp?

Ask his teacher to stick to the subjects that she's qualified to teach him (obviously not Nutrition) and say you'll continue to feed your DS a proper, well-balanced lunch not that it's any of her business what you feed him

ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:23:09

ShatzePage Hardly! He doesn't eat sandwiches so this type of lunch seems the easiest. Sometimes he has a bit pork pie, a piece of cheese, pickled onions and a load of chutney it isn't always as picture perfect as the list above but this was actually a load of leftovers from a carpet picnic over the weekend, wrapped up and shoved in the box this morning.

The idea of it being a mix up didn't occur to me when I was at the classroom door but I do think you could be right and I'll have a word when I drop him off in the morning or tomorrow afternoon when I pick him up.
It's the "verbal warning" bit which got me, I felt like I was being told off. I hope it is a turn of phrase because it's a lovely school and the thought of a verbal warning over something like this is jarring.

Finola1step Mon 24-Feb-14 17:26:11

Very strange. Agree with all other posters who suggest following up.

Email, include a list of what was in the lunch box. Ask for clarification on what part of the lunch was unhealthy. Request that the school runs a packed lunch workshop led by a qualified dietician, which the mid day meals staff should attend too.

As an assistant head of a primary school, I would want to hug you if today's packed lunch is similar to what you always provide. and make notes so that I can copy your ideas for my own ds' packed lunch

KatnipEvergreen Mon 24-Feb-14 17:26:43

Mine today had a ham sandwiches, crisps, a My-5 and blueberries. I'll just hand myself in to the lunchbox police now, I think.

Fabulously healthy lunchbox, OP. If anything there might be too much for a child to eat in the allotted time, but then they could be a fast eater!

On more inventive days my eldest has home made soup with a roll instead of a sandwich. My youngest will have a big slice of broccoli and cheese quiche as a sandwich alternative. They will both eat pasta salad, or wraps as a change from 50/50 bread.

Retropear Mon 24-Feb-14 17:28:27

Erm looks darn healthy to me.confused

TheScience Mon 24-Feb-14 17:28:44

Really DarlingGrace? What do you think cheese, yoghurt, eggs and hummus contain confused That plus fruit, veg and bread isn't exactly fresh air.

My DS normally has a hummus sandwich, cheese, fruit and crisps and that seems a perfectly normal packed lunch.

formerbabe Mon 24-Feb-14 17:28:45

That's a textbook healthy lunch!
Home made hummus... I am so ashamed now of the jam sandwich my ds had today!

Is this thread a wind up?

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 24-Feb-14 17:28:49

Why do they think it is any of their damn business what you put in the lunch box? This is not the only meal of the day.

phantomnamechanger Mon 24-Feb-14 17:29:17

well maybe it was all the carpet fluff and the hurried wrapping and shoving that they were objecting to LOL wink

specialsubject Mon 24-Feb-14 17:31:10

either a mixup or someone with hummus between their ears!

ask for an explanation.

ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:34:39

The school prior to this one had a no sweet treat rule but actually I haven't checked the 'rules' for this school.
And please don't feel like this was a boast, please! My other DS had a peperami in his as he won it in pass the parcel at weekend birthday party. And jam sandwiches feature in his box all the time, however DstS has developed an aversion to sandwiches, even turned his nose up at fairy bread when we went to Australia.

Phantomnamechanger Maybe I should have kept the picnic rug out?

Defnotsupergirl Mon 24-Feb-14 17:34:53

I'd be telling her to stuff her verbal warning up where the sun doesn't shine even if you'd sent him in the worst lunch possible. Oh dear, you might get a letter, then what, house points taken? Some children will get exceptional lunches like yours, some will be sent in with crap. It's the way of the world despite all their big brother nonsense.

ahlahktuhflomp Mon 24-Feb-14 17:35:51

Verbal warning? From a teacher? What the actual fuck? Give them a verbal warning back for attempting to give an adult of precisely the same level of authority as them, a verbal warning. I'm serious. Speak over their verbal warning if you get the chance.

Lunatics.

Pipbin Mon 24-Feb-14 17:36:18

Don't go in all guns blazing tomorrow but ask exactly what it was that was wrong with the lunch.
My guess is they got you mixed up.

zzzzz Mon 24-Feb-14 17:38:36

Mysterious!

I'm dying to know what thy think s a god lunch.

Please recreate the marvel-lunch, place it seductively on a gingham napkin, in a basket, photograph and include it in you email to the teacher. grin

softlysoftly Mon 24-Feb-14 17:39:25

Erm if thats an unhealthy lunch then come September school start i'm totes fucked.

FederationPresidentBarryFife Mon 24-Feb-14 17:42:08

I would LOVE that lunch!! She's mixed you up with someone else for sure!

LoonvanBoon Mon 24-Feb-14 17:42:26

Of course it's not unhealthy - as other posters have pointed out, it's hard to see how it could be much healthier.

What I don't get - apologies if others have already said this - is how this issue wasn't thrashed out at the time when the teacher spoke to you. I can understand you were probably taken aback; but I can't imagine how you can have come away from this encounter without:

a) having a clear idea of what her objections were

& b) having responded to said objections & made it very clear that, as far as you're concerned, she was talking nonsense.

Did you really stand there meekly while she told you she was giving you a verbal warning? What does that even mean? Does the school have a clear policy on packed lunches that she referred to? It all sounds very odd.

But yes, it's a great packed lunch.

Spaghettio Mon 24-Feb-14 17:43:27

How can anyone turn their nose up at fairy bread? shock grin

If you don't buck up your ideas, will they be speaking to your parents?

PuppyMonkey Mon 24-Feb-14 17:45:10

Sorry but grin at verbal warning.

WorrySighWorrySigh Mon 24-Feb-14 17:45:24

I would go in guns blazing whether it was a mix up or not. It isnt their business what goes in a lunch box.

I remember as a governor the deputy head wanted to start checking lunch boxes and was firmly told that she would be getting a two word answer from the governors let alone the other parents!

LOL at verbal warning. My face would be like this hmm if some random gave me a verbal warning over some hummus.

notso Mon 24-Feb-14 17:47:04

Who puts pepperami in pass the parcel!?

Dollslikeyouandme Mon 24-Feb-14 17:47:48

Op please come back tomorrow and tell us what the teacher says.

ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:48:00

I didn't stand there meekly, although having read back maybe it does appear that way. I asked her to specify which parts were unhealthy as I was having a hard time trying to think what could be construed as such. She said she couldn't comment and at the time was ushering another mother through the door into the classroom (which is pretty unprof now I think of it too) and DC3 was asking for a wee and the other two were skidding on wet grass so I was harassed and I suppose keen to get a move on.
I agree I should have stood my ground a bit more and asked for a clarification.

AgaPanthers Mon 24-Feb-14 17:49:51

Damnit these healthy eating twats need to FOAD.

Fucking nutters.

Laquitar Mon 24-Feb-14 17:50:16

Did he perhaps say 'too healthy'?
Or perhaps they think that you haven't wash the celery and it might contain mud??
If this is unhealthy then the world gone mad!

Please let us know what they say tomorrow.

ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:50:34

Dollslikeyouandme I will be sure to come back tomorrow. I'm out to church this evening but thank you all for confirming I wasn't going bananas.

K8Middleton Mon 24-Feb-14 17:51:59

I would be tempted to do them a written warning. From me using key phrases like "this will stay on your file for 6 months", refer to the "policy" with a link to NHS healthy eating guidelines and state there is no right of appeal in the face of such gross nannying and inability to grasp basic principles of nutrition.

Not sure I'd have the guts to either put my name on it or send it but ooh, it would make me feel so much better!

roundtable Mon 24-Feb-14 17:52:23

I can't get passed the verbal warning, that's hilarious.

Do they name and shame in the newsletter too?

Thank the gods I have never had the misfortune to teach in one of these types of schools.

phantomnamechanger Mon 24-Feb-14 17:52:41

saying she couldn't comment is very odd in the circs, makes me even more sure she was incorrectly relaying a message if she did not even know what was in his lunch!

maybe the message was
"you know x in your class, his lunch was very, erm, "healthy" today -and she heard it as unhealthy because that's the usual message?!?

either that or you're pulling our legs

pepparami in pass the parcel??

Cat98 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:52:51

Completely ridiculous.
Or have they mixed that dc up with your other dc who has jam sandwiches and a pepperami?!

Nocomet Mon 24-Feb-14 17:53:57

That is a 1000x healthier than any patched lunch DD2 would ever eat.

HadABadDay2014 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:54:00

I bet it was the hummus, shop bought ones can have high levels of fat . I know your was homemade so I doubt it had 15g of fat.

WilsonFrickett Mon 24-Feb-14 18:01:37

This is still making me fume! A verbal warning? Then what happens, do you get a disciplinary? GAH! Who the actual fuck do they think they are?

OP you have to update tomorrow. A MNer's blood pressure depends on it!

candycoatedwaterdrops Mon 24-Feb-14 18:02:40

Sounds like a lovely lunch. Can you pack me one please?

Crowler Mon 24-Feb-14 18:03:42

This is a very good lunch, and I suspect you must know this.

Bonsoir Mon 24-Feb-14 18:05:36

I beg to differ with others and think that the lunch the OP provided was lacking in protein. But all she needed to do was add in some ham or something!

Cat98 Mon 24-Feb-14 18:06:16

Bonsoir - there's protein in hummous, yoghurt and cheese

Bonsoir Mon 24-Feb-14 18:06:56

Not enough!

Cat98 Mon 24-Feb-14 18:07:50

I would say so if there's going to be an eve meal with protein too? Loads in chickpeas

QueenofKelsingra Mon 24-Feb-14 18:10:16

identical to the lunch I give my DS and I actually got complimented by his key worker on what 'lovely' lunches I give him. they must have confused him with someone else or he picked up and ate the wrong lunch box.

bonsoir egg is protein.

Protein..as in that stuff found in chickpeas, eggs, cheese...?

littlewhitebag Mon 24-Feb-14 18:13:48

Sounds bonkers to me. I am looking forward to your update once you have spoken to the school.

NoodleOodle Mon 24-Feb-14 18:14:23

I somewhat agree with:

ask to see their qualifications as a dietician to be able to be conducting this punishment. TBH a note to the head teacher and copy in governors asking to see all relevant qualifications and guide lines for this rule and punishment

Write to the head and copy the governors with a list of what was in the lunch box, and ask what they'd rather you send. I always struggled with lunch boxes, found it very difficult to make up appetising cold meals every morning. Your lunch box sounds great if your child likes those foods.

LittleBearPad Mon 24-Feb-14 18:14:27

What happens after the verbal warning confused.

It's a fine lunch and there's plenty of protein too.

Laquitar Mon 24-Feb-14 18:16:54

HadABadDay
Children need fat. The problem with a shop bought hummus wouldn't be fat and calories but it could be high in salt.

princessalbert Mon 24-Feb-14 18:17:57

Sounds a lovely lunch to me.

Lucky boy

I would have to speak to school - find out why they think it is unsuitable.

Also - as LittleBear says - what happens after a verbal warning??

whatonearthisthis Mon 24-Feb-14 18:22:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Aeroflotgirl Mon 24-Feb-14 18:22:43

Yanbu that is a fantastic lunch. I would arrange to see her and show her before you drop him off his lunchbox and ask her what te hell is wrong with it! Lunchbox gustapo at its best!

TheScience Mon 24-Feb-14 18:23:40

Goodness Bonsoir, how much protein do you think a child needs that eggs, dairy products and chickpeas doesn't provide!

indyandlara Mon 24-Feb-14 18:24:07

I'm pretty sure she just muddled you with someone else. It happens. Why did you not ask for clarification at the time?

Aeroflotgirl Mon 24-Feb-14 18:25:23

Bonsoir tat is part of his overall diet, I am sure ds gets a balanced duet at home. My goodness you would live my uber fussy Autistic dd who will only eat hot digs for school packed lunch despite my best efforts. I could pack te mst amazing lunchbox but I won't get eaten. Op your very lucky

pussycatdoll Mon 24-Feb-14 18:29:53

Well if you've given a pork pie in the past maybe she was referring to a previous lunch ?

That sounds like a delicious lunch.

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 18:32:03

What in fuck is fairy bread?

RufusTheReindeer Mon 24-Feb-14 18:32:14

Sounds a great lunch to me

Love houmas!

Please let us know what was wrong with the lunch won't you

What the hell is fairy bread????

If I google it will it come up with something rude (thinking dragon butter)

soverylucky Mon 24-Feb-14 18:34:28

really can't see what is wrong with that. It seems pretty balanced to me - can't see how the addition of ham would help as one pp suggested.

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 18:35:09

BTW I calorie counted my homemade houmous once (dried chickpeas, rapeseed oil, EV olive oil, tahini, way more garlic than specified in any recipe, lemon juice, sumac or paprika sprinkled on top) and it came out at precisely 2kcal per gramme.

formerbabe Mon 24-Feb-14 18:35:40

What are the other kids taking in?

Mung beans and alfafa sprouts?!

GingerMaman Mon 24-Feb-14 18:36:09

Yanbu, she must be confused! It sounds like the yummiest and healthiest lunch ever! smile

Bonsoir Mon 24-Feb-14 18:36:34

While it's important to balance your diet overall it is crucial to eat enough protein at lunch and dinner.

Crowler Mon 24-Feb-14 18:36:50

LOL. You've got to wonder.

I had a friend turn up to rugby practice with radish. I was clutching my Starbucks cinnamon swirl in utter embarrassment.

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 18:40:11

WTAF is unhealthy about that?! confused They're off their head. I'd be going back in tomorrow and say sorry you had to rush off yesterday, but you've got more time this morning and you want it clarifying exactly which part of the lunch they had a problem with as for the life of you you're baffled! confused

You've got:
- wholemeal pitta bread (carbohydrates/fibre)
- cheese (calcium)
- chickpeas and eggs (protein)
- raisins/satsuma (fruit)
- celery (veg)

You've got all 5 food groups covered there. You're either on the wind up, the school have got you mixed up with someone else, or the school are stark, staring BONKERS.
confused

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 18:43:21

While it's important to balance your diet overall it is crucial to eat enough protein at lunch and dinner.
She's taking in eggs and chickpeas. Lots of protein in both of them. For crying out loud, what in the name of actual fk are you supposed to take in if you can't take in healthy protein?
You could bet the food police would have the sirens going as they swooped in on your 'traditional' protein too - try sticking some ham in a sandwich for example, they'd no doubt be moaning red meat was bad for you! hmm

MintyChops Mon 24-Feb-14 18:44:12

OP I'm a nutritional therapist and this sounds completely fine to me. The teachers sounds confused or nuts. As for the protein content, even without knowing exact quantities and the precise weight of your DC, I'd guess there is probably enough having provided cheese, an egg, hummus and a yoghurt.

So tempting to give her a verbal warning using these words in any order you like. Fuck. Off. You. Fool.

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 18:44:53

10g protein in the cheese, 5g in the egg, 5g in the yoghurt, 5g in the houmous, 5g in the pitta.

30g protein in the lunch.

Children ages 4 to 8 need at least 19 grams of protein every day, according to the Institute of Medicine (an American organisation).

Wantsunshine Mon 24-Feb-14 18:45:44

That is a really healthy lunch! Beats what I used to have as a child which was a sandwich, packet of crisps and a club or penguin!

Lurking to find out the answer.
I bet tje raisins were 'too sugary' and he should jave had cake and custard like the school dinner lot

CockBollocks Mon 24-Feb-14 18:46:26

This pisses me off and would actually make me send in a jam sandwich, packet of crisps, bar of chocolate and a pot of sugar cubes.

Fecking idiots, verbal warning my arse - what exactly are they going to do? Ban the lunch.

Suggest they sort lunch out for DC!!

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 18:46:45

Approximate values of course - I'm assuming small egg, 150g yoghurt, 50g houmous, etc.

Mintyy Mon 24-Feb-14 18:46:54

Bonsoir, how can you be so ignorant? I'm really surprised.

There is more protein in the hardboiled egg and the piece of cheese (not to mention the yogurt and hummus) than could be provided by a bit of ham in a sandwich.

LittleBearPad Mon 24-Feb-14 18:47:15

Bonsoir is it the lack of animal protein you're talking about? The lunch itself has plenty of protein as loads of peo

LittleBearPad Mon 24-Feb-14 18:48:12

People have pointed out?

Musicaltheatremum Mon 24-Feb-14 18:50:48

Please update tomorrow. That is a very healthy lunch.

AGoodPirate Mon 24-Feb-14 18:51:46

Ooh fairy bread looks great!

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone Mon 24-Feb-14 18:56:21

The lunch had more than adequate protein - what an odd comment:

cheese
egg
chickpeas

all far healthier than salty flipping ham!

doubleshotespresso Mon 24-Feb-14 18:59:50

I really do not see what right said teacher has to be rifling through your DC's lunch OP....... And it sounds as if her approach was really poor. And as for a verbal Warning? I think i may have issued one myself confused

Best of luck tomorrow..... Btw, your lunch sounded perfectly balanced to me.

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 19:01:05

LittleBearPad, the yoghurt, cheese and egg are all animal protein and as far as I know are complete protein sources (contain all the different types of protein we need in sufficient amounts). Certainly the egg is a complete protein - egg-white/albumen and protein used to be synonymous and in German, protein is called eiweiss.

Aeroflotgirl Mon 24-Feb-14 19:21:03

That is enough protein bonsoir, how much do you need!

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 19:26:53

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, never have been, never will be, but I don't get how people can be so ignorant about the nutrients in their food as to believe protein only comes from meat. Must drive veggies spare.

LineRunner Mon 24-Feb-14 19:28:48

Verbal warning??! I fear I may have unleashed the power of sarcasm in that situation; or, as minty suggests, given the 'fuck off advice'.

gamerchick Mon 24-Feb-14 19:30:46

man you have to pull them and update tomorrow. i don't know where schools get off these days.. I even had to complain about a TA who was getting a bit above her station with her attitude. hmm

colleysmill Mon 24-Feb-14 19:41:35

I am curious to what happens if a parent ignores a final written warning.

Tbh this healthy lunch box malarkey is making Cleggy's free hot meal from Sept look like an easy option ..........I don't think I could face trying to follow all the rules

lljkk Mon 24-Feb-14 19:44:05

Please update... I'd be overjoyed if any of mine ate half as well.

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 19:44:38

I'm not one to usually say this, but please update tomorrow as I'm really curious to know what's so unhealthy about that lunch! I'd love to hear their reasoning behind telling you that.

HenriettaTurkey Mon 24-Feb-14 19:47:27

Mmm...homemade hummus. Lovely!

TheRealAmandaClarke Mon 24-Feb-14 19:51:16

Do a rough calculation (you can get a tool online) of the calorie content etc, general nutritional breakdown of the lunch.
Print it out for miss smarty pants.
When you see her next ask her what she considers the nutritional composition (calories, grams of fat/ carbs/ protein, amounts of iron and vitamin d etc) for a child of your DC's age.
When she is unable to provide this information (even your GP is unlikely to know that tbh) you can follow up with an email to the head detailing the whole ridiculous incident and let them know you're unhappy about receiving a verbal warning over a packed lunch especially when it was unjustified/ ridiculous and the pson issuing it knows nothing about nutrition.

Then roll up your print out.
Bloody cheek.
I think it's important to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

Atbeckandcall Mon 24-Feb-14 19:55:07

I'd tell them to Foxtrot Oscar!
How rude of them. Grr, that's really taken the jam out of my doughnut.

Topaz25 Mon 24-Feb-14 19:59:32

I hate the 'lunchbox police'! Definitely ask for clarification, it could be a misunderstanding or something stupid like the yogurt not being low fat.

Littleturkish Mon 24-Feb-14 20:00:10

Bonsoire please clarify what you actually mean by low protein and balancing lunch/dinner with protein in both- as there is LOADS there!!

I reckon it was the egg. Smelly egg in the lunchbox and the midday assistants have kicked off. This is their way to get to you. Don't let them, OP! Stay strong!

BornToFolk Mon 24-Feb-14 20:00:53

Must drive veggies spare.

It does!

I was all busy calculating the protein and then I see that CorusKate has already done it.

My 6 year old can get most of his daily protein requirements (19.7g) from a cheese sandwich (17g). If he has a glass of milk (5g) with that, he's over. He does eat protein at every meal, as I know it helps you to feel satisfied, but doesn't need masses.

It's actually really easy to get enough protein from a balanced vegetarian diet.

Anyway, OP, I'm sure there must be some mix up at the school. Even if they have weird ideas about protein, they can't seriously think that's unhealthy enough to warrant a "verbal warning" hmm

GingerRodgers Mon 24-Feb-14 20:01:23

Op I have to know what re outcome of this is!

Where's bonsoir sloped off to? hmm

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 20:04:44

Please go ahead and post the protein content you calculated Born - I was being very approximate and may have incorrectly estimated portion sizes as I don't have a kid and don't know how much they eat smile

Caitlin17 Mon 24-Feb-14 20:04:56

I've got a feeling of déjà vue about this thread. I'm sure I read the exact list of ingredients in another thread and thought it's healthy but not much fun and a bit low on calories.

Crowler Mon 24-Feb-14 20:06:40

I don't know about that. If you were on a diet, you'd probably have to steer clear of bread and hommous. And, it's pretty delicious.

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 20:10:29

I hate the 'lunchbox police'! Definitely ask for clarification, it could be a misunderstanding or something stupid like the yogurt not being low fat.

See, that I don't get either. When people say their schools ask for low fat, so called diet yoghurts.
Kids NEED the full fat version of stuff like yoghurts and a healthy balanced diet. Surely a low fat one rammed with sweeteners and whatnot is infinitely more unhealthy for them than a 'normal' one?

Floggingmolly Mon 24-Feb-14 20:11:12

She gave you a verbal warning; but claimed she couldn't comment on what the complaint actually was? I'm another one for stealth boast (why?)
I'm out!

Crowler Mon 24-Feb-14 20:12:07

How can a school possibly request low-fat yogurt? Surely this is not true.

Caitlin17 Mon 24-Feb-14 20:12:29

Each to their own. I can't stand cold hard boiled eggs or anything wholemeal. I'd eat the rest but don't think I'd particularly be enthusiastic about it.

Raisins are fine in cakes but as a sweet are a waste of calories. If you're going to use up calories on sweets might as well use them on something nicer than raisins.

Caitlin17 Mon 24-Feb-14 20:14:38

BTW my post has nothing to do with whether it's nutritional or not, simply whether I'd eat it.

Crowler Mon 24-Feb-14 20:16:03

Raisins are foul, I agree. I weep when I find them in chicken.

Pipbin Mon 24-Feb-14 20:28:11

As has been said before on other lunchbox thread, too many people confuse and adult weight loss diet with a healthy diet for children. Children shouldn't be eating fat free yoghurts.

Protein ignorance drives be nuts as a vegi too. It doesn't have to be meat.

Tomorrow I shall pick one lunch box at random in my class and tweet the contents. We have no lunch box police here!
But if I had my way I would ban those sodding yogurts in tubes, they are only ever going to end in a mess.

MostlyMama Mon 24-Feb-14 20:28:48

I'd have laughed all the way out of the door. Verbal warning, who is she really?

HanSolo Mon 24-Feb-14 20:30:36

Fairy bread is bread with hundreds and thousands sprinkled on... my DC have never had/heard of this... I just know from pinterest blush

I think it's an aussie thing?

SaucyJack Mon 24-Feb-14 20:38:48

The sensible answer is probably because you didn't put a sandwich in, and the untrained midday meals idiot supervisor was incapable of getting her tiny brain around the concept of cut-up pitta strips instead.

whois Mon 24-Feb-14 20:45:52

Sounds like a perfect lunch to me.

Also, please make me lunch, sounds lovely!

TheRealAmandaClarke Mon 24-Feb-14 20:50:35

taken the jam out of my donut grin beckandcall

Spaghettio Mon 24-Feb-14 20:50:39

Recipe for fairy bread:

Very fresh white bread.
Lashings of butter/spread
Hundreds and Thousands

A staple at children's parties in Australia. (basically bread, butter and sugar - what's not to like?) grin

TwoAndTwoEqualsChaos Mon 24-Feb-14 20:54:10

This reminds me: can anyone tell me the final outcome of the thread with the BLT sandwich taken possibly eaten by a dinner lady?

DorisAllTheDay Mon 24-Feb-14 20:59:48

I too am looking forward to tomorrow's update. But I wouldn't advise the OP to go in all guns blazing as some have suggested. It's quite possibly a simple misunderstanding, and there's been a mix-up over whose lunch was whose. Once that's (hopefully) cleared up, you might want to have a word about the use of the phrase 'verbal warning' as it's not helpful. If the teacher is a sensible human being then both problems could be cleared up easily, with good humour and no drama.

If the teacher comes up with ridiculous reasons why the lunch wasn't healthy and won't back down from them and/or can't see the problem with telling a parent they are getting a 'verbal warning', that's the time to escalate things and go to the HT.

FunkyBoldRibena Mon 24-Feb-14 21:02:20

Really really want to find out her response tomorrow.

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 21:03:24

Recipe for fairy bread:Very fresh white bread.Lashings of butter/spread.Hundreds and Thousands.A staple at children's parties in Australia. (basically bread, butter and sugar - what's not to like?)

I've only ever heard of this on Pinterest where I spend far too much time. Saw a picture and was a bit [shocked] and Oh. Em. Gee. Looked AMAZING, lol grin

Fillybuster Mon 24-Feb-14 21:03:51

Shamelessly marking place.

Completely and utterly fascinated to see what the teacher has to say tomorrow!

BLT thread - a meeting was had, but no final outcome.

northlight Mon 24-Feb-14 21:06:22

Of course I had to Google dragon butter. shock wink

mrscog Mon 24-Feb-14 21:07:04

Sorry but I'm marking my place too!

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 21:08:25

But I wouldn't advise the OP to go in all guns blazing as some have suggested.

No, definitely don't go in all guns blazing. As I said, If it was me, I'd just be polite. I'd say something like:
"I'm really sorry I had to rush off yesterday, but I've got more time this morning and can speak to you properly now.
Please can you clarify for me what exactly it is that was a problem in the lunchbox, as I've thought it over and for the life of me can't think what is in there that is unhealthy - can you shed some light on it?"
Then wait to see what her answer is. NO FECKING WAY would I be taking a verbal warning over a lunch box hmm with what's in the one you've described lightly.
If it had contained nothing but cold leftover chips from last night's takeaway, a soggy and cold Maccy D's and a Fruit Shoot I could see her point.
With your lunch, though? Nah, not so much.

RufusTheReindeer Mon 24-Feb-14 21:09:52

I was waiting for the stupid dinner ladies comments to start

Maybe see what the teacher says first, I must say I am very curious

RufusTheReindeer Mon 24-Feb-14 21:10:35

Sorry north

I've not googled it myself...too afraid!

bitofashocknc Mon 24-Feb-14 21:12:14

Sorry - haven't read the middle bit as suddenly had a brainwave whilst mulling this over in the kitchen (obvs have nothing else to think about)- is it possible someone mistook the hummus for something else? Like a chocolate/butterscotch mousse type thing?

NatashaBee Mon 24-Feb-14 21:13:00

So what happens to you if you get a warning? Do parents get put in detention?

Whathaveiforgottentoday Mon 24-Feb-14 21:14:12

This must be a mix up surely. Can you make lunch for me too? sounds yummy and very healthy (and a very suitable amount of protein!).

Looking forward to the update tomorrow.
What were they planning to do with the warning - do you get put on detention? I'm interested to see what the punishment is if you continue to fail to meet their healthy diet requirement!

Wouldn't they ask what it was, rather than assuming it to be some sort of mousse?

littledrummergirl Mon 24-Feb-14 21:14:56

Pigbin pick mine! Sandwiches, crisps, chocolate biscuit. I used to put an apple in mon and take it out fri but now I cant be arsed. At least they eat their lunches now.

I'd have thought that teachers have enough to do without disciplining parents.

PepeLePew Mon 24-Feb-14 21:16:52

I am in awe of the pass the parcel pepperoni! That is bloody genius. Next birthday party it's going to be pepperoni, mini cheeses and bags of carrot sticks all the way. <Misses point of thread entirely>

I'm not sure that my DD would respond well to finding a pepperoni in a pass the parcel.

WheelieBinThief Mon 24-Feb-14 21:24:57

absolutely marking place- a verbal warning? unbelievable!

PepeLePew Mon 24-Feb-14 21:25:48

What about a mini cheese, breatheslowly?

Verbal warning. Actual LOL.

A chunk of mature cheddar would go down well. A babybel would get unwrapped for the novelty of the wrapping but the first bite would be spat out and handed to me. DD isn't offered babybels any more. She is only 3 so I am still working on her manners.

Caitlin17 Mon 24-Feb-14 21:31:07

Or maybe she thought it was so healthy it wouldn't be eaten and therefore not healthy at all?

If you had given it to me the egg, wholemeal pitta and raisins would have gone straight into the bin.

splasheeny Mon 24-Feb-14 21:32:34

That sounds like a great lunch. I'm also looking forward to hearing how it was unhealthy.

LynetteScavo Mon 24-Feb-14 21:33:20

My other DS had a peperami in his as he won it in pass the parcel at weekend birthday party.

Oh, that needs a whole thread in it'self! grin

katese11 Mon 24-Feb-14 21:35:27

Absolute madness! Not even shop bought houmous or white bread! (Neither of which I have a problem with...)

ToootSweet Mon 24-Feb-14 21:35:38

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 21:39:49

Another entry for *"Only on Mumsnet vol. 3"*:
"Not even shop-bought houmous!"

smile

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 21:40:20

Bold fail :-(

Sharaluck Mon 24-Feb-14 21:41:43

My guess is that it is because there was no clear 'main meal'.

Perhaps roll up the pita bread instead of cutting it into strips so it doesn't look so much like a snack?

nova1111 Mon 24-Feb-14 21:42:25

Weird. I'm guessing she was expecting to see a brown bread sandwich with lettuce hanging out and couldn't deviate from the norm. Nothing to say of any value at all (just marking my place).

Everyone else has already said what I think, but thank you for introducing me to the concept of fairy bread! shockgrin
Also intrigued by peperami in a pass the parcel, was it the main present or slipped into one of the layers? confused
Also marking place for update tomorrow

GoodnessKnows Mon 24-Feb-14 21:45:07

She's an idiot. Complain. This teacher, if she's aware of who YOUR child is, and hasn't confused his lunch with someone else's, is going to be teaching your DS about healthy eating (NC topic). She needs to be educated. I'm a teacher. Tell her that I said so!

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 21:46:27

My guess is that it is because there was no clear 'main meal'.

It's got all the components for a sandwich though. confused How is it any worse to have a large, wholemeal pitta cut into strips and the hummus/celery/carrot in little pots or whatever than to keep the pitta intact and put aforementioned ingredients INTO the pitta?!
It's the same bloody meal! grin
Why would it be anymore acceptable to have a pitta sandwich, fruit and veg than in little dipping pots?
As I said - same bloomin' thing - if that's the reason, then they're absolutely barking.

UncleT Mon 24-Feb-14 21:46:28

Desperate to know what on earth they think the problem is. That combination of things for lunch is absolutely fine, in fact much more than fine. Their comments and approach are completely condescending too. You're owed an apology. Let us know if you get one.

PrincessSophieSoph Mon 24-Feb-14 21:51:50

Tell them to bugger off as it's none if their business!! (and come and make my lunch for me grin?! Sounds amazing!!)

Blu Mon 24-Feb-14 21:52:43

Bonsoir: Hummus, egg, cheese and yogurt all have protein in, as does wholemeal pita.

In fact grain and pulses have the exact complementary amino acids that are needed - beans on toast is a similarly well balanced protein meal.

I really would like to know what happens. How can the teacher be saying the lunch was unhealthy?

I've never tried hummous, but I'd eat the rest of the lunch. Very happily.

The teacher must have it wrong. And as for "verbal warning" I hope that was just something that came out wrong, but as you write their first step was to give me a 'verbal warning' before writing to me I'm not so sure.

notso Mon 24-Feb-14 22:06:18

I need to know more about pass the peperami. Surely it wouldn't be the main prize.
DH gave Trick or Treaters a packet of prawn cocktail crisps and a pepperami once, it was the end of the night and we had nothing left. They were a bit hmm so he said it was a trick!

ExcuseTypos Mon 24-Feb-14 22:13:50

It looks like a fab lunch.

I expect all the other children are jealous and his lunches are causing a riot!

MintyChops Mon 24-Feb-14 22:15:06

Fairy bread!!!!! FAIRY BREAD?!?!?!? Just googled it and I can feel my pancreas twitching......

LittleBearPad Mon 24-Feb-14 22:20:19

You're right. It is animal protein. I guess I meant dead animal protein from what Bonsoir was saying.

Martorana Mon 24-Feb-14 22:21:11

"I've never tried hummous, but I'd eat the rest of the lunch. Very happily."

I didn't think you were allowed on Mumsnet if you don't eat hummus...

Lj8893 Mon 24-Feb-14 22:23:35

I'm placemarking for your update as I'm baffled!!

CorusKate Mon 24-Feb-14 22:24:50

I guessed that's what you meant LittleBear but thought I'd mention it anyway as there are always a lot if misconceptions about around protein, and it might be helpful to someone. smile

BelleateSebastian Mon 24-Feb-14 22:32:36

The dinnerladies and bonsoir are obviously on glue

Sharaluck Mon 24-Feb-14 22:36:04

Why would it be anymore acceptable to have a pitta sandwich, fruit and veg than in little dipping pots?

I have heard of packed lunches being referred to as the "main meal/part' and "snack parts".

Children are encouraged to eat the "main meal" first before they run out of time/inclination etc.

I don't think the content is the issue, but I can see if the schools guidelines are quite rigid in regards to main meals/snacks how a dinner lady may have seen an issue. I just suggested making the bread part of the lunch appear more like the "main meal" and less of a snack.

SaucyJack Mon 24-Feb-14 22:42:09

Pass the pepperami sounds too close to hide the salami for my liking.

capsium Mon 24-Feb-14 22:47:22

OP you should photograph the lunches because they are not unhealthy. Then you have some evidence with which to progress an official complaint.

Go to the LA and Ofsted if necessary. More people should. This type of lunch box hysteria is giving out all the wrong messages concerning food to our children's generation.

capsium Mon 24-Feb-14 22:48:43

^ that is if this wasn't some dreadful mix up.

phantomnamechanger Mon 24-Feb-14 23:09:29

Pass the pepperami sounds too close to hide the salami for my liking

grin

maybe they played that too? shock

Mumoftwoyoungkids Mon 24-Feb-14 23:18:39

Saucyjack

I thought it was just me thinking that! grin

Your name is very apt.

I got told off for giving DD too much salad! confused

Sometimesbrunette Mon 24-Feb-14 23:34:35

That is a great lunch in my opinion. Egg is a super food, Cheese is packed full of protein, celery is apparently negative calories, pitta is fibre surely and fills up his little belly. This is madness. I would definitely write a strongly worded letter- perhaps you could dig out the guidelines from the government on healthy food for kids or even better ask them for suggestions on what they think is 'healthy'. WTF.

In my day I got pate or meat paste on white bread, a packet of crisps and a penguin. oh yes and an apple which I never ate.

my hubby is a dentist and a food snob so when our little ones get to this stage, if i ever get a teacher like this, ill be bringing on the big man.

what a cheeky cow!

Pipbin Mon 24-Feb-14 23:35:04

I'm worried that we are going to end up with children with issues around food.
School tells them that they can only it organic, fair trade, wholemeal hoummos, so they end up feeling bad about the occasional pizza or KFC.
We cover healthy eating in reception but only in the fruit is good, don't eat sweets all the time. As far as lunch boxes go I have only once said anything to a parent and that was when a child's lunch consisted of two chocolate spread sandwiches and two iced ring donuts.

Sometimesbrunette Mon 24-Feb-14 23:38:42

Exactly, Pipbin..everything in moderation. 2 doughnuts is absolutely disgusting.

Looks like I am going to end up with a family of food snobs if thats the way things are going. However according to my BIL, his son (3 at the time) can taste the difference between Italian and Spanish ham. Honestly.

Helppleasaadise Mon 24-Feb-14 23:38:46

Wow, I will be so interested to hear what the school have to say!

Please do update pretty please?!

foreverondiet Mon 24-Feb-14 23:43:45

???

Have no idea why thats not healthy. Madness. Send them a list of what was provided and ask them which bit they are concerned about. Plus ask for a list of approved foods?

DinahLady Mon 24-Feb-14 23:57:06

I got told off for giving DD too much salad!

confused If all these stories are true, I am absolutely shock.
What in God's name are you supposed to give then if they're deeming salad unacceptable?
It's madness.
All ours say is that chocolate bars and juice aren't allowed. I can live with that. If they started saying no salad, no hummus, no veg sticks, and no pitta sticks I would have to ask them what on earth they were on and please could I have a tick sheet of so called 'acceptable' foods to their standards so there's no confusion?
-Then go through it picking it to pieces one by one with them when the so called tick sheet banged on about low fat yoghurts and no veg sticks and tell them exactly what and why on their list was a bag of shite--

katese11 Mon 24-Feb-14 23:59:44

*Another entry for *"Only on Mumsnet vol. 3"*:
"Not even shop-bought houmous!"*

I just bow to anyone who puts so much effort into a school lunch that they make their own houmous!

(Ds has school dinners. I'm way too lazy for all this kinda crap)

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 00:05:45

Houmous is actually pretty easy to make if you use tinned chickpeas and a food processor. And you can portion it out and freeze it. But yes, more work than perhaps it is worth for most of us.

Dinah Headmaster told me I was giving her too much and she was leaving it. 'In his house', they clear the plate...
Same as in mine which is why I'm a dysfunctional eater who doesn't know how to stop... hmm
Id much rather she ate till she was full and then stopped.
We also had "Don't send soup in a flask in winter because of burns"...
Even though said soup had, by lunch, spent 4 hours cooling down and was the right side of lukewarm...
And my personal favourite: "Of course we cant cater school lunch for a coeliac. We cant cater for everyone, we do a vegetarian option"... confused
The lunch police drive me insane!

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers Tue 25-Feb-14 00:36:55

OP, do update when you know what the eff their problem was??

Whathaveiforgottentoday Tue 25-Feb-14 00:47:58

saggy
Id much rather she ate till she was full and then stopped.

By far the best way. Too many of us were brought up with the idea that everything had to be eaten. I can't bear to leave food on my plate which explains the extra couple of stones pounds i'm carrying

TheRealAmandaClarke Tue 25-Feb-14 07:35:53

Is this insanity part of a covert plan to push parents into giving their DCs school lunches?
With every packed lunch thread on here I become increasingly anxious about the issue and mine aren't in reception yet.
Do they hope that they make it so difficult for parents to feed their own children that we give in and buy the horsemeat food that their caterers are serving?

Jaynebxl Tue 25-Feb-14 07:45:55

I've lost track. .. did the OP say she was going to email the school? Wonder if any response yet.

OneEpisode Tue 25-Feb-14 07:46:49

I think the Op should print her list of lunch items & just ask. But as it was suggested up thread it's probably a packaging issue. Neither the lovingly homemade hummus nor the cutted up pitta is labelled & if the dc has been practicing his football it may not have looked tasty at all by lunchtime. Do people still have Tupperware parties?

savingupforanother Tue 25-Feb-14 08:05:14

Looking out for an update. Please ask them for clarification this morning OP!

TestingTestingWonTooFree Tue 25-Feb-14 08:13:57

It must be a mistake surely? The "verbal warning" is heavy handed.

fairnotfair Tue 25-Feb-14 08:20:18

Just googled "fairy bread". Definitely too early in the morning for that image. I feel queasy.

Kafri Tue 25-Feb-14 08:25:33

Shamelessly place marking!

Verbal warning indeed!!

Tuhlulah Tue 25-Feb-14 08:26:49

Wot, no pot noodle? No wonder you were told off.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 08:29:15

Did she bang her head in the morning and hallucinate a kebab?

Nothing wrong at all with that lunch and quite frankly it's none of their business anyway.

LegoCaltrops Tue 25-Feb-14 08:33:26

Is this insanity part of a covert plan to push parents into giving their DCs school lunches? With every packed lunch thread on here I become increasingly anxious about the issue and mine aren't in reception yet.

^^ My thoughts exactly.

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers Tue 25-Feb-14 08:35:22

gringringrin at giles "did she bang her head in the morning and hallucinate a kebab?"

Please update OP. It's surely got to be mistaken identity!

LucyLasticBand Tue 25-Feb-14 08:37:27

i used to eat fairy bread as a child, 40 years ago! that is a lie, it was some sort of special coloured sugar. on white buttered bread.

comicsansisevil Tue 25-Feb-14 09:41:51

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

fuzzpig Tue 25-Feb-14 09:59:21

It's got to be a mistake confused

The only possible thing I can see that they might be grumbling about is that there is quite a lot of food there - healthy, but quite a lot (disclaimer: my DCs are grazers so I may be wrong). But that would only be a problem if they have a policy of making children eat absolutely everything in their lunchbox before going out to play, which I know some schools do hmm

There is no way it is unhealthy, though.

SaveTheMockingBird Tue 25-Feb-14 10:08:33

I make my own hummous for DS's packed lunch because shop bought hummous is too runny/sloppy to put in a sandwich and he wouldn't have it as a dip, only as a spread. So I make it thick to spread it on. If he was fine to have it has a dip then I woulnd't bother making it, but making it doesn't take that long though anyway but I do prefer the shop bought one

YANBU, that is a perfectly healthy lunch. Although it is quite a massive lunch IMO. My quite a good eater DS (5) wouldn't be able to or have the time to eat half of that. Even I couldn't manage all that. Maybe it's the quantity of it rather than the quality? Although if your DS is eating the vast majority of it, then I see no problem anyway.

frumpet Tue 25-Feb-14 10:13:48

It has to be the raisins , my sons preschool had a lecture about the evils of raisins and citrus fruit , do you not care about your childs teeth OP wink

Joysmum Tue 25-Feb-14 10:15:06

I wonder if a friend had given your DH something from their lunchbox

frumpet Tue 25-Feb-14 10:15:23

Just realised there were raisins and a satsuma , thats his teeth completely stuffed forever then , really have you no shame !

Joysmum Tue 25-Feb-14 10:15:53

*DC

sniggers at the thought if you being told off about your DH's lunch!

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 10:17:44

Bet it's the cheese!!! Cheese is only allowed on pizzas served by school canteen and has to be in plastic form.

princessalbert Tue 25-Feb-14 10:21:04

I am dying to see what the outcome of a chat with the school is.

I think it's a perfectly fine lunch.

Puts what I make for DS to shame. Disclaimer he is 16 and could make his bloody own It's always a pile of cheese sandwiches, packet of crisps, cereal bar and sometimes a little chocolate biscuit too. Now THAT I could see being not so healthy..

Greenkit Tue 25-Feb-14 10:25:36

Marking place, has to be a mistake.

I am so pleased my last child is in his last year at school, you cant even feed your children a healthy diet without getting it in the ear.

SlightlyDampWellies Tue 25-Feb-14 10:53:12

marking also.

Crazy. I buy school dinners because they are really good here. But it seems that people are pointing out to the school that the dinners contain cake each day and packed lunches are not allowed to, because last week in the newsletter there was a statement saying that the 'cocoa used in the cakes are organic and are inline with the NHS healthy eating whatevers..' It was very defensive.

zzzzz Tue 25-Feb-14 10:59:17

WHAT HAPPENED NEXT????

teafor1 Tue 25-Feb-14 11:36:07

Marking my place too. I need to know what happened!

likeit Tue 25-Feb-14 11:37:00

And me

OTheHugeManatee Tue 25-Feb-14 11:48:58

Did you speak to them yet, OP???

Martorana Tue 25-Feb-14 11:54:00

I wonder when the OP will come back?

Pipbin Tue 25-Feb-14 11:56:31

One random lunch box today.
White bread chocolate spread sandwich,
Mr Kipling cake, twin pack,
Dairylea dunker,
Apple,
Plain crisps,
Water.

I pass no comment. That was just random example. No lunch box police here.

WilsonFrickett Tue 25-Feb-14 11:57:16

I've ranted about this on another thread - my DS friend brought his school packed lunch out the other Friday (school is only a half day here so kids on FSM get a packed lunch automatically). It was a white roll with processed cheese, a choc-chip cookie (huge!), a carton of chocolate milk and an apple. I would bloody love someone at school to give me a verbal warning with that as their version of a nutritious pack up.

Pipbin Tue 25-Feb-14 11:57:17

Oh, and a jelly yogurt thing.

Pipbin Tue 25-Feb-14 12:02:22

Oh, and a jelly yogurt thing.

bumbleymummy Tue 25-Feb-14 12:03:42

I'd love to know what they thought was unhealthy!

DVDplayer Tue 25-Feb-14 12:05:59

ohhifruit Mon 24-Feb-14 17:23:09

"....Sometimes he has a bit pork pie..."

Hmmm.

Topseyt Tue 25-Feb-14 12:09:33

The lunchbox police seem to be out in force at the moment. I can't stand them in any of their forms. They are loons.

That sounds a lovely, healthy and imaginative lunchbox. I wish I had the OP's imagination in that way.

Hope you get satisfactory answers.

FreckledLeopard Tue 25-Feb-14 12:14:51

OP - come back!

Martorana Tue 25-Feb-14 12:16:27

I do find it very strange that I have never heard of anyone in real life who has suffered under the heel of the lunch box police apart from one who's child had a yesterday's macdnald's happy meal,(symptomatic of other neglect) and one other who had to be persuaded not to send cans of coke. I must have been incredibly lucky over my 18 years as a parent.

fragola Tue 25-Feb-14 12:18:22

The only thing I can think is the quantity, it does seem like rather a lot.

OnlyLovers Tue 25-Feb-14 12:27:22

DVDplayer, what's your point?

OP, the teacher was ridiculous and handled it very badly.

VinoTime Tue 25-Feb-14 12:37:58

Dd's teacher pulled me to the side the other week to say that the school promote healthy eating and therefore recommend parents try and give alternatives to sandwiches in packed lunch boxes. I actually could have slapped the woman. I'm a single working parent - how much time does she think I have to flap over a packed lunch?! I am hardly sending her in with a pot of chocolate spread and a spoon!

Lunchbox example:

A ham sandwich or a cheese and ham wrap. If I'm super duper organised, she might get leftovers from the night before (tomato based pasta bake, for example).

Carrot or cucumber sticks.

A bit of fruit (usually an apple or banana to save on timely peeling as she's a slow eater).

A small box of raisins.

I see absolutely nothing wrong in any of that. The reason I started dd on packed lunches was because I was sick to death of hearing all about the pizza/fish and chips/turkey burger/tuna mayo wrap/jelly pots/ice-cream she was consuming at a cost of £1.20 a day for a school lunch.

When I asked the teacher what was on the school lunch menu that day, she looked anywhere but at me and told me it had been pizza and smiley faces. Suffice to say when I finally caught her eye, I made my bestest ever "mmm-hmm" noise and walked away. Muppet.

Looking forward to hearing what the school has to say for themselves, OP.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 12:40:39

Wtf is wrong with a sandwich?

Ubik1 Tue 25-Feb-14 12:42:57

Sigh

I remember the days (1980's) when everyone went to school with a ham sandwich, packet of crisps, carton of juice and an apple.

And the world didn't fall in

"Bet it's the cheese!!! Cheese is only allowed on pizzas served by school canteen and has to be in plastic form"

Gileswithachainsaw - my face was like this shock the day the dses came home from their secondary school, and told me that the cheese that was used in the school dinners was all reconstituted cheese powder! Compared to that, most packed lunches are healthy, imo!!

Ubik1 Tue 25-Feb-14 12:44:34

My mother was a primary school teacher and at one point they allowed children to bring in a drink of juice to have at breaktime (imagine! the horror!)

Unfortunately one child turned up with a can of lager so they knocked that idea on the head.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 12:44:53

shock

Ubik1 Tue 25-Feb-14 12:49:46

Mums said the mother was mortified, he had just got it of the fridge himself and taken it to school.

Nannyplumismymum Tue 25-Feb-14 12:50:00

The only thing I can think is that it seems a large portion ... And perhaps too much protein .. Egg, humus and cheese and the yoghurt ? Personally I think that's too much in one meal , too much protein can be unhealthy ... I would usually give one portion of protein per meal .

Fakebook Tue 25-Feb-14 12:51:47

It does seem like a lot of food, albeit healthy food. Dd's packed lunch today consisted of:

2 rolls (one with marmite and other cheese and lettuce)
Large pot of fruit: pomegranate, melon and grapes
Small pot of olives and smoked chicken sausage
A cake slice

For school dinners she's been eating pizza, chips and other weird combinations of food and no fruit or vegetables often and it shows. She came home yesterday full of beans after months. I can't help but think school dinners have made her sluggish.

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 12:51:57

Is kinda funny though. Sounds completely innocent.

hmm at the cheese powder. Seriously they feed that to the kids? I hope they don't are complain about lunches there.

Yuck.

Lottiedoubtie Tue 25-Feb-14 12:53:26

Did you speak to the teacher this morning OP? <marks place>

WilsonFrickett Tue 25-Feb-14 12:56:26

When I asked the teacher what was on the school lunch menu that day, she looked anywhere but at me and told me it had been pizza and smiley faces.

This. THIS! Oh god I think I'm going to have to hide this thread I am so ragey about the lunchbox polis!!!

prob won't till OP updates though

I think once you get to secondary school, they stop inspecting the lunch boxes.

We live in Scotland, and it seems that most senior schools up here let the children off campus at lunchtime (apart from the bottom year, which is the equivalent of yr 8) - so they all go to the chippy, or to the co-op where they buy all sorts of crap for their lunches. The paper shop in our village does a roaring trade in Pot Noodles - they have a kettle constantly on the boil, and fill them up for the kids, who then stand outside and eat this gourmet delight!

QueenofKelsingra Tue 25-Feb-14 12:59:38

portion size is very variable with kids. my DS is 4, he would and does eat a packed lunch that size and he is 9th for weight. my DS practises good appetite regulation, I always pack enough for a 'hungry' day and sometimes he eats it all, sometimes he doesn't. I believe it is very unhealthy to teach kids they have to 'clear their plate' I am several stones overweight thanks to that logic. my 3DCs are all skinny minnies - some days they eat more than an adult, some days they will hardly eat at all pain in the arse for working out how much to cook on any given day

QueenofKelsingra Tue 25-Feb-14 13:00:21

*9th centile for weight.

bbcessex Tue 25-Feb-14 13:10:22

<marks place for update>

Oneglassandpuzzled Tue 25-Feb-14 13:14:17

I think we need a MN campaign to educate primary schools in basic child nutrition. For example, full-fat dairy better than low-fat plus lots of sugar.

squoosh Tue 25-Feb-14 13:14:26

If a teacher issued me, a grown adult, with a verbal warning I would be most unimpressed. I'd want to smush a microwaved Rustler burger in their face but I would probably ever so frostily politely tell them to get stuffed. What nonsense.

fuzzpig Tue 25-Feb-14 13:16:57

I totally agree oneglass, this was mentioned on another recent thread and I would definitely support it.

Caitlin17 Tue 25-Feb-14 13:19:01

Mine had school lunches from P1 I couldn't be bothered with making up packed lunches. The school meals always sounded nice.They weren't allowed off campus until 6th year and as it was a private school with an instantly recognisable uniform there would have been no sneaking off to a chip shop (there aren't any anyway near the school)

NeedsAsockamnesty Tue 25-Feb-14 13:42:59

I really want to know why it was an issue

zzzzz Tue 25-Feb-14 13:44:22

Come on OP we need closure.

Oneglassandpuzzled Tue 25-Feb-14 13:44:54

fuzzpig, I missed that other thread. Was it the BLT one?

It's simply got to be a case of mistaken identity.

everlong Tue 25-Feb-14 13:53:32

Surely this is a joke confused
I was expecting the lunch to consist of a jam sandwich and a packet of rolo's!

Flexiblefriend Tue 25-Feb-14 13:58:08

I've just read all the way to the end of this thread to see if the school have said that this was a mistake. I can't see how it could be anything else!

TheScience Tue 25-Feb-14 13:59:04

I reckon someone has mixed up the hummus DS with the one who had a pepperami and often eats jam sandwiches - dinner ladies reported to the wrong teacher to issue the "verbal warning"!

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 14:25:59

Sorry for not getting back quicker, I have had the day from hell.

A case of mistaken identity was correct.
I took him to the door and asked for a word about the lunch, I showed her his box (it was a similar type of food) and she agreed she couldn't point to a single problem and didn't like the policy of anyone checking.
I asked her to clarify why there was an issue yesterday and she mentioned a food item I've never eaten nor served to my children being present in the box yesterday which was problematic.
As soon as I said this and after having seen what was in his lunch for today she agreed it was likely it was a case of crossed wires with the lunch time staff.

I also mentioned that "verbal warning" was a bit much and she agreed it was a poor turn of phrase for the situation and apologised.

With regards the peperami, I have no idea if it was the main wrapped prize in pass the parcel or a between layer type thing but my younger son was very excited to win it in "passing the parcel". DH and I found it hysterical it was in pass the parcel, I might chuck in some scotch eggs wrapped in newspaper next time we have a party.

fuzzpig Tue 25-Feb-14 14:28:11

It'll be mattesons fridge raiders in the party bags next grin

Glad it was a mistake.

Lottiedoubtie Tue 25-Feb-14 14:29:54

Phew, common sense reigns again.

Glad you got it sorted OP, hope you're ok.

DorisAllTheDay Tue 25-Feb-14 14:34:41

Glad there was a simple explanation - I thought there would be. Crossed wires happen, and 'Tired teacher makes poor word choice' is hardly headline of the year.

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 14:34:55

Hopefully the teacher will have learnt a bit of a lesson about telling off parents, especially based on second-hand information.

GandalfsBeard Tue 25-Feb-14 14:35:59

What on earth is unhealthy about that lunch?!

Yanbu!

Frankly, it's none of any teacher/lunchtime staff's business what children have in their lunch boxes. Or at least it shouldn't be.

GandalfsBeard Tue 25-Feb-14 14:36:50

Sorry, just saw your update!

TheScience Tue 25-Feb-14 14:40:17

What was the shocking food item?

Aeroflotgirl Tue 25-Feb-14 14:41:19

That's good op, fantastic outcome.

Aeroflotgirl Tue 25-Feb-14 14:41:52

My goodness the lunch box police are out in force

Idocrazythings Tue 25-Feb-14 14:42:04

I think it's very unprofessional for the teacher to be taking you aside on a case of mistaken identity. Maybe the person who sees the contraband food should put a note in the child's lunch box instead of allowing Chinese whispers to occur. Hopefully the teacher learns some thing from today. Poor you

Idocrazythings Tue 25-Feb-14 14:43:39

Ps. My dd has a nut and egg free class so you'd be I. trouble here with your egg!

AgaPanthers Tue 25-Feb-14 14:44:18

"I asked her to clarify why there was an issue yesterday and she mentioned a food item I've never eaten nor served to my children being present in the box yesterday which was problematic."

What was this mysterious food item?

Oneglassandpuzzled Tue 25-Feb-14 14:45:07

Hash cookies?

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 14:46:35

I can see those being confiscated and… er… disposed of pretty sharpish, Oneglass.

Kikithecat Tue 25-Feb-14 14:47:26

That's what I want to know Aga!

Kikithecat Tue 25-Feb-14 14:48:01

400g jar of Nutella and a spoon?

princessalbert Tue 25-Feb-14 14:48:51

Ah, glad it is all cleared up.

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 14:49:00

A pound of butter and crisps for dipping?

Kikithecat Tue 25-Feb-14 14:50:38

Cubes of lard coated in hundreds and thousands?

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 14:51:22

You mean fairy lard?

WingDefence Tue 25-Feb-14 14:53:56

So OP just what was the problematic food item in the other child's lunchbox...?!

Kikithecat Tue 25-Feb-14 14:55:37

Fairy lard?

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 15:00:17

^^see upthread re: fairy ___.

WorraLiberty Tue 25-Feb-14 15:01:44

He probably swapped his raisins and satsuma for some other kid's kitkat

LucyLasticBand Tue 25-Feb-14 15:49:35

perhaps some child had brought in a can of lager

savingupforanother Tue 25-Feb-14 16:25:37

Cold KFC and a can of Red Bull

fromparistoberlin Tue 25-Feb-14 16:31:01

I think OP wins prize for the healthiest lunch box EVER

DinahLady Tue 25-Feb-14 16:51:19

Just seen the update, thought it must have been a case of mistaken identity as no-one in their right mind would call that an unhealthy lunch!
Glad to see it is.
Just out of interest though, I reallllllly need to know what the item was that was so bad. grin

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 16:52:32

Maybe it was the dreaded full fat yogurt grin

NOT the full fat yoghurt!
<<faints>>

DorisAllTheDay Tue 25-Feb-14 17:41:34

Shop-bought hummus?

JohnnyUtah Tue 25-Feb-14 17:55:58

I Think it was a pop tart?

fuzzpig Tue 25-Feb-14 17:56:50

Mmmmmmm pop tarts <hungry>

Kikithecat Tue 25-Feb-14 18:21:21

Come on ohhifruit spill the organic goji beans!

Tiredtomybones Tue 25-Feb-14 18:22:42

Big mistake reading this whole thread when I'm this hungry!

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 18:49:54

It was left over faggots which I must admit made me laugh.
I've never had faggots, I grew up in Australia and they weren't on my radar.

Kikithecat Tue 25-Feb-14 18:52:38

Wow I haven't heard of faggors since I were a nipper. I'm amazed the dinner lady recognised them.

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 18:54:15

kikithecat I wouldn't know a faggot if it slapped me in the face.

LookingThroughTheFog Tue 25-Feb-14 19:00:08

Aren't faggots just meatballs?

are they not a bit like pork meatballs?

MintyChops Tue 25-Feb-14 19:01:01

Fairy lard!!!!! <snigger>

Nice one Kate....

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 19:03:03

Are they meatballs? I see no issue with that. My boys will occasionally have a bit of leftover lasanga which is mince-y.

TheScience Tue 25-Feb-14 19:06:38

I love faggots - but cold, gravy covered Mr Brains faggots leftover from last night's dinner might not be my first lunch box choice grin

Delicious

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 19:06:45

Really can't see what's wrong with faggots. I guess she won't have gone into it too much since the child isn't yours, but unless there was nothing else in the lunch or there was just way too much, I'd have thought they were fine. confused

If faggots are basically meatballs, then I think that they are a reasonable part of a packed lunch. You can't judge a packed lunch by one item. And I bet that faggots aren't on any banned food list.

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 19:13:40

You're right she didn't go into further details.
I can't see the problem with them to be honest. I may investigate them at the butchers, although I don't think I've ever seen them.

AgaPanthers Tue 25-Feb-14 19:14:39

Is it a Christian school?

I did hear that God hates faggots, but I think that's quite an extreme point of view.

knickernicker Tue 25-Feb-14 19:19:36

Does god hate Brains faggots?

Gileswithachainsaw Tue 25-Feb-14 19:26:13

Sounds gross but nothing that sounds worthy of a "verbal warning"

Jobs worth

TheRealAmandaClarke Tue 25-Feb-14 19:54:03

Thanks for the update.
Can we muster a mumsnet campaign to end the fanatical lunchbox inspection craze?
I mean, ok. If it's a can of coke and a bag of cold chips... But the policing and rules I hear about on here seem to be utter madness!

I agree - and the campaign needs also to focus on setting out guidelines that are actually based on proper nutritional information, as it applies to children - because children's needs are different.

For example, children need fat in their diet, to help develop their nervous systems - the brain consists of at least 60% fat - as well as needing fat to enable the absorption of some vitamins (everyone needs a proportion of fat in their diet for this). Therefore, insisting on all low fat products is not a good thing.

Topseyt Tue 25-Feb-14 21:14:23

Glad to see the update, and that common sense did prevail in the end.

I would support the idea of a campaign to kick the lunchbox snoopers into the long grass too. I hate food police in all their forms (though I always respect people's actual dietary needs based on allergies or medical conditions).

Most parents can be trusted to know how and what to feed their children ffs.

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 21:19:00

SDTG, I suspect the Government sees children and schools as a cheap way of "educating" and manipulating the public - environmental messages, anti-smoking messages, anti-racist and anti-homophobic messages have been injected into families via their children for years, and not just for the benefit of the children - the policies seem to be written with the intent to change society in general by attacking belief systems at the weakest point in the family.

It's not always necessarily a bad thing, if it's done carefully and transparently acknowledged. But when it comes to healthy diet, they seem to be telling children what a healthy adult diet is, in the hope that they'll influence their families' eating choices, and prevent ill-health for the adults further down the line, rather than teaching child-appropriate nutrition.

Either that or the government and schools are just fucking useless.

VoyageDeVerity Tue 25-Feb-14 21:21:42

This is absolutely fucking outrageous!

shock

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 21:23:48

Not trying to say it's a massive conspiracy or anything, by the way, just that health promotion groups etc. will be looking at lots of different ways to get a message across, and see schools as fertile ground; because aren't they supposed to be about education anyway? And isn't it important that children are educated about <whatever>? And hopefully they'll spread the message to their parents and beg them to stop smoking/turn the tap off when brushing teeth/cut down on the lard butties?

eeetheygrowupsofast Tue 25-Feb-14 21:32:05

Faggotgate

TheRealAmandaClarke Tue 25-Feb-14 21:40:14

I think spreading the healthy eating message in schools is a good thing.
I think it's good to encourage eating a balanced diet.
But
I don't think it's reasonable for the contents of children's lunchboxes to be scrutinised in this way.
The knowledge of the lunchbox police appears to be quite limited at best.
And it's so arbitrary and narrow. There's no consideration about what a child might have eaten for supper or breakfast.
And no thought about reasonable home economics. If you have some left over chocolate cake from the weekend it makes sense to put that in a lunchbox.
With some rules you'd have to throw it away or eat it for breakfast.
Sledgehammer to open a Terry's chocolate orange.

CorusKate Tue 25-Feb-14 21:43:51

But what is the healthy eating message, Amanda? There's no such thing as a healthy food, and no such thing as a universally healthy diet. Foods are healthy or less healthy choices in the context of the entire diet, and there are as many healthy diets as there are people. A healthy diet for a 9 year old girl with cystic fibrosis is different from a healthy diet for a 55 year old male weightlifter with type 2 diabetes.

TheRealAmandaClarke Tue 25-Feb-14 21:49:59

Well, for most children eating vegetables and fruit every day and not eating sweets every day would be a reasonable message.
Reminding people about the importance of vitamin D

Simple stuff.
Not promising to tell people every last thing they should eat.

Topseyt Tue 25-Feb-14 22:56:37

Pretty much everything has its place in an overall balanced diet. Not too much of any one thing, but no particular food banned altogether.

Fruit and veg are important, as are carbohydrates. Quick energy givers such as small amounts of chocolate also have their place (and a little of what you fancy does no harm). Growing children need more fat in their diet, so full fat yogurts and whole milk are good. Certain people with some medical conditions can actually need a fairly high fat diet (I think cystic fibrosis is one of those conditions), so the low fat mantra does not apply to them. Are they being told their lunchboxes are unhealthy?? They may be just tailored to the individual child's needs instead.

The food police zealots ignore a lot of that though.

TheBigBumTheory Tue 25-Feb-14 23:12:03

Faggots just make me think of maggots

Which are probably quite nutritious...

Does the school serve burgers? Surely burgers are just flat faggots.

DinahLady Wed 26-Feb-14 00:02:02

WTF's a faggot? (thick emoticon)
I know it's something meaty. That's about the extent of my knowledge got a strict vegetarian husband and I'm only a light meat eater myself

CorusKate Wed 26-Feb-14 00:10:46

Rough pork/beef meatball with onions. Homemade ones are wrapped in a layer of special fat (caul fat - it's like a net) which holds them together. Often served with gravy, mash and mushy peas.

MoominsYonisAreScary Wed 26-Feb-14 00:19:50

I wouldnt put faggots in a lunch box but could think of much worse things.

are my dc the only ones who go to schools where you can put whatever you like in a lunch box?

RufusTheReindeer Wed 26-Feb-14 08:28:23

No, my children don't go to that type of school and neither do 5 or 6 friends children who go to different schools

Might be stricter depending on county

addictedtosugar Wed 26-Feb-14 08:57:34

yes, but we got a NHS change4life leaflet saying swop
*drinks for diet drinks (err, no milk and water, and personally, full sugar not aspartamine for me and the kids)
* full fat dairy for low fat dairy. err no. Full fat here (except maybe skimmed milk, but by childs requiremtns not straight everyone). Low fat yoghurts etc are stuffed with sugar.

I can't remember the others but they were equally stupid. I binned the leaflet, and didn't bother getting the vouchers they were offering.....

fuzzpig Wed 26-Feb-14 09:01:18

Same here addicted. DD brought home the leaflet in her book bag, I let her read the recipe bit but I said "don't read the first page as they have made lots of mistakes!"

Martorana Wed 26-Feb-14 09:01:46

Change4life is specifically for people who want to lose weight or to help their children lose weight. The advice needs to be looked at in that context.

fuzzpig Wed 26-Feb-14 09:14:26

True, but the advice still isn't great - for example drinking artificially sweetened drinks can cause more sugar cravings, so you end up eating more afterwards anyway. And a lot of 'low fat' versions of food are full of added crap (including sugar/sweeteners) and they don't make you feel full like the 'proper' versions do.

BornToFolk Wed 26-Feb-14 10:11:19

Change4Life need to sort out their marketing strategy then, if it's supposed to be aimed at people wanting to lose weight. It comes across as just a general "healthy eating" policy, very much aimed at children with leaflets in bookbags etc, but what they are recommending is not suitable for children at all.

Martorana Wed 26-Feb-14 10:36:50

No, it's all about "if you want a healthier lifestyle" "lose a few pounds" "me sized portions" for children and so on, It's obviously intended as a family losing weight together guide.

Yes - but it sounds like it is 'One Size Fits All' advice, and doesn't take account of the fact that children have different nutritional needs to adults.

Also, as others have said, some of the advice sounds very suspect - aspartame-laden drinks instead of ones with sugar in? Why not recommend milk or water. Low fat products - which will probably be laden with sugar and other crap? And why recommend low fat products for children, when they need fat in their diet, to build their brains and nervous systems?

BornToFolk Wed 26-Feb-14 11:14:53

If you look at the Change4Life website, it's all about a "healthier lifestyle". That's the message they're pusing, not weight loss.

Diet drinks and low fat products are NOT a healthy choice for children.

EverythingCounts Wed 26-Feb-14 11:31:56

I would want them to explain exactly what's wrong with faggots in relation to their healthy eating principles. Bet that as PPs have said they are not on any prohibited list.

addictedtosugar Wed 26-Feb-14 12:00:10

Then they need to make it clear in the leaflet that came on its own from school, following on from the reception height / weight thing if it is about not putting on too much more weight for kids (kids are rarely told to loose weight, more not put any on til they are taller).

It was, to me, labeled as eat more healithly. It got binned.

I'd still disagree with much of the advice even if trying to loose weight. I would NEVER incude diet drinks in my kids diet. I would be very wary of diet foods in general (unless semi milk is classed as diet milk).

SayMyNameSayIt Wed 26-Feb-14 13:03:06

I'm in Scotland and I've never heard of any child or parent having their packed lunch commented on. Seriously, is this commonplace in English schools???

I'd be inclined to say mind your own fecking business!!!!
That sounds like a wonderful lunch! I'd be overjoyed if I could get my DC to eat that! I award you a teacher's Gold Star!!!

When I used to be in the dinner hall with my infant class, I'd go round to see what they were eating, but it was more in an "eat your sandwich before your crisps (God forbid!!) type of "inspection". Or I'd encourage them to try and finish. We'd actually get into trouble if we commented negatively on a child's lunch!!!

With those who got school dinners, I'd make sure they got everything that the money/ticket covered. So I'd send them back to get a drink, some bread, some soup or a dessert. I'm actually the only person that does that, it annoys me!!!!! Some of the children are getting short -changed!

OP, YANBU. I'd be having a word.

notso Wed 26-Feb-14 13:06:33

Eww faggots! Hot faggots are bad, cold faggots are worse.

Thanks for clearing up the Peperami prize OP grin

CorusKate Wed 26-Feb-14 13:25:49

I wonder if frikadellen would have gone down better. grin

notso Wed 26-Feb-14 13:32:25

Frikadellen, kottbullar, and any other meat balls are yum.
Faggots are not.

IceBeing Wed 26-Feb-14 13:34:24

you could definitely make a maggot faggot....

CorusKate Wed 26-Feb-14 13:51:52

What's wrong with faggots notso? confused

squoosh Wed 26-Feb-14 13:54:33

Aren't they made of brains?

no they are not made of brains!

A faggot is traditionally made from pig's heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavouring and sometimes bread crumbs. The mixture is shaped by hand into small balls, wrapped with caul fat (the omentum membrane from the pig's abdomen), and baked.

TheScience Wed 26-Feb-14 13:58:49

No, they're made by Mr. Brain grin

ohmymimi Wed 26-Feb-14 14:06:41

Brain's faggotts, huge baked potato with loads of butter, frozen peas and tinned sweet corn -best lazy winter comfort food ever. I need some.

squoosh Wed 26-Feb-14 14:09:09

Really? Ha!

For years I've been amazed that the public had such an appetite for brains.

honeythewitch Wed 26-Feb-14 14:22:09

In the West country faggots are nothing like "brain's fagots" which are more like meatballs.
They are larger, firm, and are eaten cold with salad or on a sandwich. I cant think of anything about either type that would make them unsuitable for a lunchbox.

CorusKate Wed 26-Feb-14 14:34:07

That's true, they do vary around the country. I've had many without liver, for example.

MoominsYonisAreScary Wed 26-Feb-14 15:13:55

Weve had change 4 life leaflets from school. Not the fizzy drink, low fat spread semi skimmed milk one though. I thought that one was aimed at adults

LtEveDallas Wed 26-Feb-14 15:22:57

Faggots? The mind boggles confused, although I have to say there is nothing better than a left over faggot slapped between two pieces of buttery white bread. They are hardly unhealthy either, I make them quite lean and without the caul.

DD doesn't like them sadly.

TheRealAmandaClarke Wed 26-Feb-14 17:49:55

3.5 yo DS had the change for life leaflet in s nursery school bookbag.
Obviously it went straight into recycling because I'm not going to be giving him diet drinks and low fat cheese!

Low fat cheese? Ridiculous concept based on the idea that you should eat more food with fewer nutrients. confused

Why can't they do a more useful promotional thing like nutritious recipe ideas?

CockBollocks Wed 26-Feb-14 17:53:10

My DS got the leaflet and said "look mum, fizzy drinks are not just for adults" blush angry

Well they are in this house!!!

NeedsAsockamnesty Wed 26-Feb-14 22:26:01

LtEve.

I do,can you adopt me please,

I'm tidy and I don't snore

DinahLady Wed 26-Feb-14 22:33:12

A faggot is traditionally made from pig's heart, liver and fatty belly meat or bacon minced together, with herbs added for flavouring and sometimes bread crumbs. The mixture is shaped by hand into small balls, wrapped with caul fat (the omentum membrane from the pig's abdomen), and baked.

Ugh! <boak emoticon> Gawd, that sounds absolutely vile. I was tempted to try one just to see what it was like, but that's put me right off! smile

EverythingCounts Thu 27-Feb-14 00:15:50

The low-fat message of Change4Life is not one I am happy with for young kids. It doesn't help that it gets harder all the time to actually get hold of non low-fat products. I had hummus on my shopping list recently (props to the OP for making your own, I'm not up to that) and could find endless awful-sounding flavours on the shelf, lemon and coriander, red pepper, Moroccan spice, Cadbury's Flake flavour, you name it, they had it, plus acres of pot of the low-fat stuff. Plain full fat hummus? It had all gone. Anyway, hummus rant aside: people are being taught that low-fat is better in every situation for every person, when of course it's all about context.

CorusKate Thu 27-Feb-14 00:31:53

Which bit don't you like the sound of, Dinah?

goodasitgets Thu 27-Feb-14 01:46:19

The low fat thing reminded me of last year, buying a chicken off a hot counter. Small child wants chicken wings. Mum says yes but "we will take all the nasty skin off because that's what makes people fat"
My face was hmmconfusedhmmconfused

Chicken skin. Singlehandedly responsible for an obesity crisis grin

I eat more fat now than ever before, my skin looks amazing and I'm losing weight

TheRealAmandaClarke Thu 27-Feb-14 04:47:40

Now though I think there's a bit of an unhelpful backlash about low fat.
Whilst its true that small children should generally eat full fat rather than low fat products, (and probably nobody should ever eat low fat cheddar grin) it's also true that many of us eat a diet that has too much saturated fat (from cheeses and butter and solid animal fats mainly) and this contributes to clinically undesirable high blood cholesterol.
As a nation we seem to struggle with the idea of reason and balance in our food ime/ IMO.
And "sensible" messages about eating ate lost in the sea of fashionable diets and sloppy information.

TheRealAmandaClarke Thu 27-Feb-14 04:49:24

Crispy skin is possibly the single best reason for roasting a chicken though blush

LittleBearPad Thu 27-Feb-14 08:59:20

I think you're right Amanda. Low fat stuff isn't good but neither is eating lots of fatty things. Food manufacturers spend their time creating lower fat/lower sugar/lower calorie versions of food so we can ostensibly eat more of them. We should eat less. Then we can eat food that is as it should be made. Not filled with artificial crap that isn't calorific.

goodasitgets Thu 27-Feb-14 20:00:41

But cholesterol in things (like eggs) doesn't raise your cholesterol...

I dont think anybody said it did. A pp said we eat too much saturated fats and that raises cholesterol levels more than eating food containing cholesterol

KateMoose Thu 27-Feb-14 20:54:00

A parent puts leftover faggots in a lunchbox and that is unreasonable? They may well be better than salt laden processed ham and processed plastic bread and margarine! I applaud use of leftovers like that. How about if there was leftover haggis?! Would that be wrong?!

Oh, and OP, YABU. Eggs, especially hard boiled are disgusting food of the devil grin.

TheRealAmandaClarke Thu 27-Feb-14 21:42:34

The other thing about this lunchbox lunacy (yes I have been thinking about it too much) is that I wonder whether it's a distraction from a really useful activity.
I think it's a good thing that someone's interested in what children are eating and what their parents give them. I think dinner ladies are invaluable tbh. I want school staff to notice if little Billy often goes hungry because he has a truly inadequate or unappetising lunch. Schools play an important part in recognising the signs of home life troubles and looking out for children.
And I can't help but wonder if excessive regulation of with lots of fussy rules stops lunchtime supervisors (who must surely be pushed for time already) from seeing some more significant issues.
<over thinking. Sorry>

TheRealAmandaClarke Thu 27-Feb-14 21:45:41

Cold faggots would be fine if the child likes them.
But if they don't it's a thoughtless thing to put in their lunchbox.

KateMoose Thu 27-Feb-14 22:31:58

Of course. My mother often did not put much thought into what I might like (shipton's meat paste sandwich anyone?) then one day she clocked that I might eat it and actually put some weight on if the food in my lunch box was pleasant. My last year at primary school was fab grin.

CorusKate Thu 27-Feb-14 23:28:19

Ooh yes please; beef is my favourite, Kate - unless you can stretch to fishpaste, in which case I'll have sardine and tomato.

TheRealAmandaClarke Fri 28-Feb-14 05:34:59

I bought some Shiptons the other day kate. I used o have that as a child.
Nobody would it it grin even I, with my famously grim taste (liver, black pudding, ...) couldn't manage it.
Which is a shame because it would make a cheap sandwich for the odd lunch.
The cat thought it was ok.

There is NOTHING wrong with Shippams paste! I've got a jar of salmon paste in the cupboard just shouting to be eaten! Slap it on some Sunblest toast... food of the Gods! grin

LoveBeingCantThinkOfAName Fri 28-Feb-14 05:49:33

You are all wrong a verbal warning is the least you should get for giving faggots boak

TheRealAmandaClarke Fri 28-Feb-14 05:58:36

Has anyone made their own chicken liver pâté'? I was wondering if the DCs would like that.
DS loves ham but I don't like him having too much processed meat tbh.

Lemon curd. That's got to be ok.

TheRealAmandaClarke Fri 28-Feb-14 06:01:42

We're they faggots though?
When I used o send DS to cm with falafel in his lunch it was written down as him having scotch egg. (mmm, scotch egg)
Some meatballs would be appetising when cold IMHO.
But not faggots, personally. Although I do like them hot.

TheRealAmandaClarke Fri 28-Feb-14 06:02:50

Sorry? Were. Not we're blasted autocorrect.

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 11:49:19

grin at falafel/scotch egg confusion.

AgaPanthers Fri 28-Feb-14 12:28:32

Do people actually eat faggots? I have seen them in the shops, but I always wondered if people actually bought them.

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 12:43:11

If you see it in a shop, I suppose you have to assume someone buys it, which admittedly is baffling when it comes to tins of sick masquerading as toast topper, and pre-watered-down orange juice for the same price as normal.

SchrodingersCake Fri 28-Feb-14 12:48:29

The only problem I can see with this is it doesn't have enough fat, but of course that depends on what else he has during the day.

I agree with the majority of posters, a case of mistaken identity!

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 12:50:13

The houmous, cheese, egg, and possibly the yoghurt all have fat. Is this going to be the protein discussion all over again? grin

Gileswithachainsaw Fri 28-Feb-14 12:51:21

grin

chorus

Olive oil and tahini in the hummus right!! =fat

And the egg and yogurt

JingleMyBells Fri 28-Feb-14 12:57:10

I wish my son would eat as healthily as that.

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 12:59:32

I estimate 10g fat in the cheese, 5 in the houmous, 5 in the egg, and anywhere from 0-10 in the yoghurt. If a third of the kid's calories come from fat and they're on about 1500kcal a day, that's what, 50-60g fat? Don't remember numbers exactly. 20g in lunch seems fine. It might be a bit high on the saturated fat as it's half dairy fat, but the houmous will be made with olive or vegetable oil, which is unsaturated.

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 13:01:40

Would anyone like to argue OP's son's lunch didn't have enough carbohydrates? Or perhaps worry it's too low in fibre?

SchrodingersCake Fri 28-Feb-14 13:06:50

And? We're talking about the school staff quibbling about the lunch. This defo doesn't have too much sugar. It possibly has too little fat for his age yes, even with the olive oil and blah blah. I don't really care, but if you have an over analytical member of staff... I'm trying to think of reasons why this lunch might be labelled as "bad". I really do think this is mistaken identity.

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 13:10:26

I'm not trying to put you down, Schrodinger, but if you RTFT you'll see that pointing out imaginary deficiencies in the lunch that staff could've been picking up on is a bit pointless as it has already been confirmed as a case of mistaken identity. The real offender was apparently faggots. confused

NeedsAsockamnesty Fri 28-Feb-14 13:28:04

I read something elsewhere about a woman complaining that a unopened unheated can of soup was picked up as unacceptable,and she couldn't understand why.

I've been laughing about that for hours

SchrodingersCake Fri 28-Feb-14 13:29:04

WTF?

I scanned a bit about faggots.

Nobody said anything about faggots. The OP presented a decent lunch.

Did you give your child faggots, OP? How very dare you. Were they homemade or Mister Brains?

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 13:30:09

I hope she at least gave the kid a tin opener and a spoon. I'm picturing a small, glum child staring at her inaccessible lunch.

The OP clarified that it was a case of mistaken identity and that some child (not the OP's) had left over faggots in their lunch

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 14:25:59

A case of mistaken identity was correct.
I took him to the door and asked for a word about the lunch, I showed her his box (it was a similar type of food) and she agreed she couldn't point to a single problem and didn't like the policy of anyone checking.
I asked her to clarify why there was an issue yesterday and she mentioned a food item I've never eaten nor served to my children being present in the box yesterday which was problematic.
As soon as I said this and after having seen what was in his lunch for today she agreed it was likely it was a case of crossed wires with the lunch time staff.

ohhifruit Tue 25-Feb-14 18:49:54

It was left over faggots which I must admit made me laugh.
I've never had faggots, I grew up in Australia and they weren't on my radar.

SchrodingersCake Fri 28-Feb-14 13:37:59

Well, that's me told. I like to think I'm on the ball but obvs I missed this. Sincere apologies.

SchrodingersCake Fri 28-Feb-14 13:38:50

P.s. I'd bloody love it if someone presented me with faggots for lunch.

CorusKate Fri 28-Feb-14 13:40:11

To be fair to you Schrodinger, it is over 400 posts grin

I have never ever had faggots. I like haggis though

NeedsAsockamnesty Fri 28-Feb-14 13:47:51

hope she at least gave the kid a tin opener and a spoon. I'm picturing a small, glum child staring at her inaccessible lunch

Nope! And no idea as to why its not ok!

LtEveDallas Fri 28-Feb-14 14:47:42

Guess what I am going to make this weekend now?

Mmmm faggoty goodness...

KateMoose Fri 28-Feb-14 18:35:11

Well, someone has to like Shipton's grin otherwise it wouldn't be on the shelf. I wonder if the lunchbox patrol mind it?

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