This is a test for 6 year olds. How would you score? DD (aged 6) got a D.

(161 Posts)
Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 22:42:17

This is the question:

1) Rewrite the correct sentences.

a) Mum goes to work on the train.
b) what lovely weather!
c) We're singing in the rain

pixiepotter Sun 09-Feb-14 22:46:21

what? it doesn't make sense!

I don't want to look stupid...

a) I think the sentence is fine
b) What lovely weather! but I don't think it is actually a sentence - where is the verb/
c) We're singing in the rain.

Eh?

Is there any more to the test?

MrsRuffdiamond Sun 09-Feb-14 22:48:40

I don't think I would score very highly. I don't even understand what I'm supposed to do!

Gileswithachainsaw Sun 09-Feb-14 22:49:19

Well I'm failing to. What's the actual question?

Marcipex Sun 09-Feb-14 22:49:35

Is that it?
1- seems fine to me.
2-needs a capital.
3-needs a full stop.

What they all said!

BoyFromTheBigBadCity Sun 09-Feb-14 22:49:41

Sentence a) is fine surely? Or is the problem that it is unclear if Mum travels to work on the train or is working on the train itself?

Then What a lovely day! needs punctuation and We're singing in the rain. needs a full stop... I couldn't even read aged 6 though.

CocktailQueen Sun 09-Feb-14 22:50:00

How can you get a D in that??

Clarify, please, OP!

LettertoHermioneGranger Sun 09-Feb-14 22:50:13

This is a little silly, I think they're all fine depending on context, with the exception being the capital letter in the second sentence and the period in the third.

I suppose
Mum takes the train to work. - to avoid confusion that she might do work on the train.
The weather is lovely! Perhaps a little more 'correct' but was fine before.
We're singing in the rain.

HadABadDay2014 Sun 09-Feb-14 22:50:20

A) looks right to me.
B) I think needs a capital letter
C) Needs a full stop.

Floggingmolly Sun 09-Feb-14 22:50:20

Does b) need a capital letter? hmm. I probably got a D too

serant Sun 09-Feb-14 22:50:33

6yr old? I don't know what to do...

Longdistance Sun 09-Feb-14 22:50:55

Mum goes on a train to work?

TeenageAdvice15 Sun 09-Feb-14 22:51:10

Rewrite the correct sentances.
They are all correct so don't need changing, just copying out again.

BrianTheMole Sun 09-Feb-14 22:51:35

There must be more to it than this confused

Longdistance Sun 09-Feb-14 22:51:45

What lovely weather?

usernameunknown Sun 09-Feb-14 22:52:31

1. Seems fine

The others should obviously be.

2. What shitty British weather.
3. We're pissed off with the rain.

Marcipex Sun 09-Feb-14 22:52:50

No, the weather is lousy?

snowqu33n Sun 09-Feb-14 22:52:51

by train

ComposHat Sun 09-Feb-14 22:52:52

Eh?

TeenageAdvice15 Sun 09-Feb-14 22:53:26

It's a trick question

Marcipex Sun 09-Feb-14 22:53:48

X post usernameunknown

1) Mum would go to work on the train but the line has been destroyed by flooding.

BakingBad Sun 09-Feb-14 22:54:39

Just guessing here -

A) Mum goes to work by train.
B) "What lovely weather!"
C) We're singing in the rain.

Haven't a clue really.

harticus Sun 09-Feb-14 22:55:41

Wait a minute - rewrite the CORRECT sentences.
The question makes no sense.

Caitlin17 Sun 09-Feb-14 22:55:47

1.Mum goes to work by train. (although not sure what was wrong with the first one) or possibly "Mum goes to work on a train."

2. What lovely weather! (needed a capital letter)

3. We're singing in the rain. (needed a full stop)

ComposHat Sun 09-Feb-14 22:56:36

Ah I've got it. re-write the CORRECT sentences and not worry about the incorrect ones

So all you would need to do is copy out is:

A) Mum goes to work on the train.

Is it one of those 'A plane crashes on the border between France and Spain, how should they decide where to bury the survivors?' type trick questions?

Should it be rewrite the sentences correctly?

SqutterNutBaush Sun 09-Feb-14 22:57:46

Answers are A and C as these sentences are correct?

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 22:59:53

My DD rewrote all the sentences and for the ones which had punctuation missing, she wrote the correct punctuation.

So, she wrote:

Mum goes to work on the train.
What lovely weather!
We're singing in the rain.

The teacher was expecting them to copy out ONLY the sentence which was correct, ie the first one. She gave DD a D on the test, partly because Dd wrote out all the sentences but also she did not have time to answer a second question due to lack of time as she had spent so much time writing three sentences for question 1.

TeenageAdvice15 Sun 09-Feb-14 22:59:59

it's not asking you to correct the sentences but to simply copy out the ones that are correct which is all of them.

harticus Sun 09-Feb-14 23:00:36

Or does it mean rewrite the correct sentences as in construct a new sentence so the meaning is the same i.e. Mother takes the train to work.

Am I overthinking this? confused

ItStillLooksLikeRainDear Sun 09-Feb-14 23:00:47

Maybe it should be

Mum drives a Porsche convertible to the shops while Daddy works. ??

TeenageAdvice15 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:01:04

sorry, didn't realise it was punctuation., thought it was just as in didn't make sense, so only A is correct

For a 6 year old???? WTF????

Who set the test? If the teacher she should be ashamed, if someone official I'm a) not surprised and b) FFS

sorry; b) FFS!

harticus Sun 09-Feb-14 23:01:39

Oops x-post.
What a load of crap OP - I would be having words.

Caitlin17 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:02:18

OP What is the correct answer?

I think the first one is wrong as it's ambiguous as it might mean Mum is Rosie the riveter who may very well work on the train but commutes to her workplace by another means of transport.

SamHamwidge Sun 09-Feb-14 23:02:22

Sounds completely daft! I would have got a D too!

Floggingmolly Sun 09-Feb-14 23:03:30

It's ridiculously phrased for a six year old considering it confused the hell out of so many adults

MrsBungle Sun 09-Feb-14 23:04:16

What a ridiculous load of shite. Maybe the question should be clearer so that I can understand it aged 36

Gileswithachainsaw Sun 09-Feb-14 23:04:47

A grade? For a six ur old?
Bet half the class can barely write. What with them being 6 and all and in yr 1 having not long finished reception.

Takes the pis. Even us lot aren't sure what the question actually is.

HadABadDay2014 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:05:05

It would be better worded.

Circle the correct sentence.

GlitzAndGiggles Sun 09-Feb-14 23:05:42

Mum doesn't go to work on the train because there's always sodding problems so mum has to change her route. There we go smile

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:05:52

The correct answer is:

A) Mum goes to work on the train.

And yes, the teacher wrote a big "D" in red ink at the top of DD's page.

HadABadDay2014 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:06:00

It would be better is the question was reworded

harticus Sun 09-Feb-14 23:06:06

The problem is the word "rewrite". The teacher is an arse.

If she has said "copy down" then it wouldn't have been so ambiguous.

To me "rewrite" means to write something again but in a different way.

ComposHat Sun 09-Feb-14 23:08:47

I think the teacher may be making a point about reading instructions properly. Hardly warrants a complaint.

When my mum was at school the teacher was sick to the back teeth of students not reading exam papers before attempting them. So he set a fiendishly difficult mock paper and then wrote at the bottom 'once you have finished reading do not attempt any questions. the paper turn it over, leave the classroom.'

So everyone bar two or three kids tried to plough their way through a nigh-on impossible paper.

Guess what: they all read exam papers in future.

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:08:55

I think there are two issues:
1. Rewrite suggests you need to reword it in some ...."copy" would have been better
2. Saying "sentences" when there is only one correct sentence is confusing. They are 6 not 14.

Surely the question should have read:

read the following sentences carefully. Copy out the one sentence which contains no punctuation mistakes.

Grrrrrrrr.

Rewrite normally implies revising something definition.

I think it is poorly worded and not a valid test for punctuation.

Caitlin17 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:09:14

Show the teacher this thread. I'm a 54 year old practising solicitor and I didn't follow her badly worded question.

Feel free to point out sentence one, whilst grammatically correct, is ambiguous in meaning.

My 6yo came home with class work marked the other day that it wasn't want she wanted, she wanted to know how the story made him feel.

He'd written, the lion was caught in a net and the mouse helped him. Then for himself, I was caught in a net and my brother helped me. Pretty sure in a 6yo's world that means his brother is there for him and loves him.. Or people help each other when they're in trouble.... No clue what the teacher actually wanted him to be able to write, he's 6!

hippo123 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:09:27

My ds (6) would have done the same as your dd. In fact I (34) would have as well!

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:09:31

Compos....Er, they are 6!

Marcipex Sun 09-Feb-14 23:10:22

I would say it's deliberately ambiguous and designed to catch the children out.
Did any child get an A?
I'm glad that teacher isn't teaching my 6 year old.

BeaWheesht Sun 09-Feb-14 23:11:38

OED definition of rewrite is :

Pronunciation: /riːˈrʌɪt /
(past rewrote; past participle rewritten)
[WITH OBJECT]
write (something) again so as to alter or improve it:
I cobbled together a rough draft and then rewrote it

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:12:22

The sheet was a photocopied sheet which looks like something she had done herself, as opposed to something photocopied from a text book.

It is not the first time we have had issues like this.

iklboo Sun 09-Feb-14 23:12:47

b) What lovely weather?

Teacher is being a bit sanctimonious. The question is ambiguous & almost designed to trip them up. Not many 6 year olds would think that laterally.

BeaWheesht Sun 09-Feb-14 23:13:27

compos all kids do that 'test' don't they?

Mimishimi Sun 09-Feb-14 23:13:47

a) Mum goes to work by train.
b) What lovely weather!
c) We're singing in the rain.

deakymom Sun 09-Feb-14 23:14:09

totally ambiguous and they should not be giving them bad marks at that age its a bit soul destroying especially when the kid sees the parents reaction they KNOW they got it wrong then

my daughter got a problem question wrong she was devastated i asked it her again a different way and she gave me the correct answer so i pointed out to her the school was flawed for not asking her questions in the correct way (in front of the teacher too) the teacher was a bit taken aback by it so i rang later and explained to her since she had been cut off by her biological father's family she was determined to be the best at everything and a wrong answer was devastating to her i simply had to rebuild her lost confidence very fast or she would tantrum till she was sick she was four years old at the time

i really hate testing young children

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:14:26

Mimishimi...you get a D for that smile

BeaWheesht Sun 09-Feb-14 23:14:29

My ds is 7 and has never been given a mark as in ABCDE etc and not would I want him to be. Is this common practice?

Mimishimi Sun 09-Feb-14 23:15:54

It should be "Correct these sentences" though. Asking them to rewrite the correct sentence implies that they are already correct.

campion Sun 09-Feb-14 23:15:55

Does the teacher have trouble with singular and plural?
Did the question say sentences but only one was required? A tad confusing.

BookABooSue Sun 09-Feb-14 23:16:17

Rewrite suggests you need to reword it in some ...."copy" would have been better
^^ This
Honestly, a teacher should know better. She obviously doesn't understand the difference between 'rewrite' and 'copy'. I'm shock that her question needs rewritten!

brokenpurpleheart Sun 09-Feb-14 23:17:52

I would just write out A as the question asks to rewrite the correct sentences, not rewrite into correct sentences ....

Caitlin17 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:18:13

Composhat the situation you describe is fair game, except here, the OP's daughter did read and follow the instruction. "Re-write" does not mean "copy"

Re-write means revise, amend, change. When I was a baby solicitor my elders and betters used to re-write my letters;now I get to re-write the juniors'work(and I'm sure they love me for it)

FunkyBoldRibena Sun 09-Feb-14 23:19:21

If the sentences are correct, then there would be no rewriting needed, just copying.
If the mum worked on the train, serving snacks, or driving, then that sentence would be correct. One cannot assume it was wrong just because the other two are correct.

You definitely need to have words with the teacher.

nothruroad Sun 09-Feb-14 23:19:33

Is it definitely D as in A-D? We sometimes mark work as Developing, Consolidating or Secure at second, third or fourth level so if it was a third level test I might put D / C / S on it. I'm in Scotland though so ignore me if you are not.

thinking101 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:20:26

There is not learning benefit to copying out either unless she was assessing handwriting too.

Why couldn't they just tick or underline the senetence that has the correct punctuation.

Much quicker for the child and it tests knowledg eof punctuation the same.

Maryz Sun 09-Feb-14 23:20:33

It said sentences, though, which implies that more than one sentence is correct, doesn't it?

It should have said "rewrite the incorrect sentences" or

"Copy out the correct sentence".

So either way, the teacher is wrong.

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:20:36

The marking scheme is A-D with A being excellent and D being...well, crap.

FunkyBoldRibena Sun 09-Feb-14 23:20:48

I'd ask her to justifying the D, where is the rubric for this piece of homework? I'd want to see it.

Maryz Sun 09-Feb-14 23:22:33

And it should have used the words "correctly punctuated sentence/s" because correct can mean factually correct.

So does Mum go to work on the train? Because if she doesn't, the sentence is incorrect <adds another dimension>

Why would a teacher want to "catch out" 6-year olds. The old trick Compos refers to is great for teenagers, but not for 6-year olds.

Mimishimi Sun 09-Feb-14 23:23:19

Oh. I see. Well, phooey to that! grin. I suppose it's a) then but I can completely understand why your daughter misunderstood the question. I hope the teacher feels superior lording her subtleties over six year olds! hmm

waterlego Sun 09-Feb-14 23:24:43

It's a really badly worded question, I agree. I didn't understand the instruction, and I'm a 36 year-old with an English degree, and former secondary English teacher. As PP said, 'circle the sentence with the correct punctuation' would have been much better.

As for the grading...hmm I've never heard of 6 year-olds receiving grades for their work. Did you say there were only two questions on the test, or did I misunderstand that? If that is the case, then giving a grade based on two questions is ridiculous, IMO.

I'd love it if you showed the teacher this thread!

Herroyal Call me overly sentimental, but I actually got a massive lump in my throat when I read your post. I think your DS's response to the question was lovely and I feel sad for him re. the teacher's response. A question asking how a story made you feel may sound simple but it is surprisingly difficult for many children to answer. I have taught a fair few 14 year-olds who struggled to give their own personal response to a text, so I'm not surprised it's difficult for a 6 year-old. Your son may not have actually named any emotions in his answer, but he's had a very good go at giving a personal response.

Jinsei Sun 09-Feb-14 23:25:14

I'd give the teacher a D for her crap teaching and poorly worded instructions.

ravenAK Sun 09-Feb-14 23:25:57

what on earth does a D even mean in this context?

1) The question is so confusingly worded it simply doesn't make sense.
2) what the chuff is the point of copying out the correct sentence? Correcting the incorrect ones would actually demonstrate some sort of thinking going on. If you just want the kids to identify the correct sentence, get them to underline it.
3) No-one uses letter grades before GCSE. In fact, even then we talk about numerical bands so that AQA can massage the figures! Meaningless at KS1. what you're wanting is numerical NC levels, not that you're going to generate anything coherent from this nonsense.

Tis total bollocks. I would be unhappy.

Greythorne Sun 09-Feb-14 23:26:23

It feels very demoralizing for DD. I try to keep up a positive front, never criticize the teacher openly but I find it frustrating.

It's basic things like sending home photocopied sheets that look like they were first photocopied in 1987 and have been knocking around ever since, getting darker and more difficult to read with every copy taken. They are 6 and shouldn't we be making it clear and simple for them?

Maryz Sun 09-Feb-14 23:29:45

Greythorne, I admire your good sense, but I stopped being loyal to the teacher at times over this type of thing.

I mean, I never said "your teacher is a twat" (tempted though I may have been) but I did do a fair bit of "teachers are human, they make mistakes, this question could have been worded like so, this comment could have been rewritten, s/he obviously didn't understand the point you are so clearly making" etc.

It is no harm for children to be able to see that sometimes there are more than one way to answer a question, and even though they may not have done what the teacher expected, that doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong.

Paintyfingers Sun 09-Feb-14 23:30:57

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LoveSewingBee Sun 09-Feb-14 23:31:52

Very poor instructions and IMO they are all three incorrect.

1. Should be 'by train'.
2. 'a' is missing
3. Needs exclamation mark

And marking work like that is outrageous and totally undermining the child.

chocoluvva Sun 09-Feb-14 23:36:30

Hopefully lots of parents will complain about this test.

Caitlin17 Sun 09-Feb-14 23:38:26

In my office once when completing a tender as part of the process we had to give written advice on a number of theoretical situations. One of these concerned a very specialised area of law and we found the question almost impossible to answer. Not because we didn't know the law but because the question setter had either fundamentally not understood the applicable law or it was a trick question. The question we were asked to answer could not be answered as the situation posited could not happen.

We didn't know if this was some one being fiendishly clever and we were supposed to point that out;or if we should try to apply the law as best we could make it fit.

I think we hedged our bets and did both. We didn't get the contract but given who did we almost certainly lost on price rather than content and we still don't know which was the correct answer. This reminded me of it.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Mon 10-Feb-14 00:16:01

Well, I 'got' what we were supposed to do. I think. But that is at the age of adulthood, having become very skilled in exam technique and guessing what the examiners want after more than one disaster along the way.

This is supposed to be a little test on punctuation for six year olds, at the beginning of their school career, not a obstacle course in English comprehension for A-level students. Frankly, the teacher mucked up when she was designing it, and like many people before her, only saw the instructions that she had intended to communicate, not what she had actually written.

SpinDoctorofAethelred Mon 10-Feb-14 00:16:49

P.S. ---> I'd ask her to justifying the D, where is the rubric for this piece of homework? I'd want to see it.

Brilliant suggestion! Do it, do it!

Wingdingdong Mon 10-Feb-14 00:26:13

I'd be complaining about the teacher's poor use of English. 'Rewrite' means to write something again so as to alter or improve, something your DD clearly understood better than the teacher. I'd suggest she rewrites her question, and also the grade...

I'm not normally anti-teachers (I'm a university lecturer - in English) but that was the teacher's cock-up, not your DD's, and the teacher should be taking responsibility for it.

Misspixietrix Mon 10-Feb-14 00:29:00

Then I'd be right piss arsey over this and pull the Teacher up on it too. 'Write the correct sentences (Plural) makes me infer I have to do all. I'm 21 yrs older than your Dd and that's confused the fuck out of me for the past few minutes! grin.

HanSolo Mon 10-Feb-14 00:32:51

Goodness- that test is like something out of Alice in Wonderland!

Mimishimi Mon 10-Feb-14 00:34:52

Or Dame Snap ....

Dubjackeen Mon 10-Feb-14 00:39:56

Agree, this is complete nonsense for 6 year olds to be expected to understand, and as others have pointed out 'Rewrite' is not the correct instruction anyway.
I would certainly be discussing this further with the teacher, and I wouldn't be at all happy with grades for little children. Sounds like the teacher needs to cop on, a lot.

JennyCalendar Mon 10-Feb-14 00:47:03

What a bad question!

I'm an English teacher and if I was given that question I would respond:
1. Mum goes on the train to work.
2. Not a sentence.
3. We're in the rain, singing.

I'd send the teacher an email, or catch her for a chat, about how badly worded it was and how the D grading is demoralising for your DD.

ComposHat Mon 10-Feb-14 01:10:36

Yeah it all hinges on the interpretation of re-write, if you take the words literately or in the way it is actually used (to revise and correct.) Mildly diverting if you like playing around with semantics, but not the basis of a test for six year olds.

She seems to have woefully misjudged the appropriateness of this as an exercise. If this had been a one-off I'd be tempted to let it slide, this won't determine their life futures, but if it is emblematic of her wider crapness, bring it up as one of many examples of inappropriate teaching, not as the entire basis of the complaint.

On a related note, I know someone who works in a school where a supply teacher with a strong black country accent was covering a maths test. One of the questions which the teacher read out loud was to 'draw a line 6cm long' Several of the kids drew 6cm Lions.

Caitlin17 Mon 10-Feb-14 01:15:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIKHt4BH6Jw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Re answers to exam questions I laughed and laughed at this.

NoodleOodle Mon 10-Feb-14 01:57:34

The question is misleading. I would ask the teacher why they had allowed it to be part of the children's test, and question why they hadn't noticed the ambiguity.

Pixieonline Mon 10-Feb-14 03:08:25

The instructions are incorrect for this exercise.

Rewrite the correct sentence means that the student should write nothing at all as none of them are correct.

In my opinion sentence a) is misleading and setting most children up for failure. If it had been included as an exercise instructing them to use the correct preposition / collocation (not sure how it's taught in uk) the most children would have relished the correct answer AND it would have re-inforced the correct use of "by train" vs on the train.

b) and c) are fine as it is testing their punctuation knowledge, but again, at this level punctuation and prepositions / collocations should have been seperate questions.

FlatCapAndAWhippet Mon 10-Feb-14 03:26:54

Well my 6 year old wouldn't have known what on earth she was supposed to do.

They're 6 FGS!

NadiaWadia Mon 10-Feb-14 05:07:27

Stupid teacher. They're 6! The instructions should have been maybe 'Only one of these sentences is correct. Copy out the correct one.' She is not thinking about how to communicate clearly to young children. And like others said, 'rewrite' suggests changing something in the sentence(s).

Who gives 6 year olds grades anyway? What good does it do? Silly woman is unsuited to teaching IMO.

NadiaWadia Mon 10-Feb-14 05:08:32

In your position I would be complaining to the Head, OP.

fuckwittery Mon 10-Feb-14 05:27:29

I am utterly shocked, is this a UK school? That teacher is appalling.

coralanne Mon 10-Feb-14 05:27:45

It is rather ambiguous but on the other hand my only just 6 year old DGD asked me if I knew that you could spell to 3 different ways. Then she wrote in her book to, too, two and used each one in a sentence.

I don't think she is particularly gifted or ahead of her peers. Her teacher has said she is the sweetest girl she has ever taught so maybe she gets a bit more attention.grin

coralanne Mon 10-Feb-14 05:29:30

The teacher may have been testing their comprehension. Maybe it didn't matter if they were able to work it out.

coralanne Mon 10-Feb-14 05:34:50

None of the sentences are correct. Surely the teacher explained to the children that each sentence had an error in it?

FunkyBoldRibena Mon 10-Feb-14 06:56:23

I'd actually take the question to the head and ask what they would have written.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Mon 10-Feb-14 07:06:13

My first thought was, why would you need to rewrite a correct sentence?

The question makes no sense and seems a bit unfair on a 6 year old.

BrianButterfield Mon 10-Feb-14 07:15:36

Crappy photocopies are one of my pet peeves. I keep masters carefully to avoid it but mostly revisit handouts on the computer, tweak the sheet and make fresh copies. It's lazy and disrespectful to a class to give them dark, horrible copies in this day and age.

Judyandherdreamofhorses Mon 10-Feb-14 07:17:30

Is this a state school in the UK? Terrible marking policy! Presumably if that's a D (terrible), the 'correct' answer eking be an A. How do you get B or C? How so you know what to improve (other than 'get it right next time').

On the other hand, I wish my marking could be as quick as that sometimes!

pixiepotter Mon 10-Feb-14 07:30:36

my only just 6 year old DGD asked me if I knew that you could spell to 3 different ways. Then she wrote in her book to, too, two .....I don't think she is particularly gifted

You're right there.To and too/two are pronounced quite differently.

ComposHat Mon 10-Feb-14 07:53:28

Judy you do realise I will now have Judy and the dream of horses rattling round my head now? Nice to see a fellow B&S fan on the boards mind you.

LiegeAndLief Mon 10-Feb-14 08:00:12

I have a 7yo in Y3 who almost certainly wouldn't have given the correct answer. Actually, I'm 34 with a pretty good grasp of punctuation and I wouldn't have given the correct answer because it's not what the question was asking!

LiegeAndLief Mon 10-Feb-14 08:01:36

Also, I pronounce to, two and too in exactly the same way (unless speaking quickly I guess in which case to might come out as more like tuh depending on context). Clearly I am inept.

Crowler Mon 10-Feb-14 08:04:53

"Rewrite correct sentences" is the trickery part.

This is a silly assignment for a 6-year old, it would just frustrate her.

Crowler Mon 10-Feb-14 08:05:46

To and too/two are pronounced quite differently.

Eh?

ArgyMargy Mon 10-Feb-14 08:09:39

Why do you say that, coralanne? The first sentence seems fine to me.

AuntieStella Mon 10-Feb-14 08:39:29

My DD has just encountered her first 'trick' question in a class mini-test. But in rather different circumstances: it didn't use confusing directions such as 're-write' nor did it imply a plural ('sentences'). And the teacher explained afterwards that it was a trick to show them the need to read questions properly (ie it was the learning aim) and made sure the class shared it as a joke. And she's in year 5 (9/10 yr olds),

I think this is a poor question for a 6 yr old. And I don't remember any of the DCs getting A-D marks like that at that age either.

pixiepotter Mon 10-Feb-14 08:49:11

the vowel sound in 'to' is short,the same as the vowel sound in 'cook'.In 'too' or 'two' the vowel sound is long, like the vowel sound in 'pool'.

Nanny0gg Mon 10-Feb-14 08:52:41

Is this a state primary?

Because I'm a bit shock at the 'D'.

waterlego Mon 10-Feb-14 09:00:31

'To', when it's in the middle of a sentence, has a shorter vowel. In isolati

But it's pretty common to find to/too/two presented as homophones. In school textbooks, for example!

waterlego Mon 10-Feb-14 09:01:41

Oops, lost a bit there...

'to' in isolation would sound the same as the others (in my accent, anyway).

pixiepotter Mon 10-Feb-14 09:15:38

when would you use 'to' in isolation?

endlesstidying Mon 10-Feb-14 09:20:05

Surely the instruction should be

"Rewrite these sentences correctly."

The original instruction could be interpreted to mean that only the first sentence should be rewritten as the others are wrong.

FunkyBoldRibena Mon 10-Feb-14 09:22:51

I shall report this to the head, as this is too obtuse for a child in year two.

I suppose the to could be pronounced t' as in t'town if you are oop north. but dahn sarf, it is pronounced the same as too and two.

hackmum Mon 10-Feb-14 09:34:07

I agree that the question is extremely badly worded. The teacher needs lessons in how to express herself correctly in English.

Greythorne Mon 10-Feb-14 09:36:08

endlesstidying
The teacher did actually want the DC to write out ONLY sentence A.

That's partially why my DC did do badly....she spent the whole twenty minutes carefully rewriting three sentences and never even reached the second and final question.

Greythorne Mon 10-Feb-14 09:36:44

To, too and two are homophones in my regional accent.

FunkyBoldRibena Mon 10-Feb-14 09:37:39

Technically they are all correct so she did right.

ZingSweetApple Mon 10-Feb-14 09:41:14

rewrite the correct sentences

I don't know what that sentence means.

all the examples are fine.
stupid question

mouldyironingboard Mon 10-Feb-14 10:18:25

Your DD is clearly doing well at school. My EDD (now an adult) couldn't read or write at all until she was 7!

I would send a note of complaint into the school about this test. It was very unfair to expect a group of 6 year olds to understand those instructions.

ComposHat Mon 10-Feb-14 10:21:33

Greythorne I am struggling to think of an accent where to too and two aren't homophones.

waterlego Mon 10-Feb-14 10:34:26

I'm a southerner. In my accent, 'to' in the middle of a sentence is more like 't'. 'I'm going t bed'. Actually the 't' would be followed by a short schwa sound but I don't have a phonetic keyboard. If it was at the end of a sentence (which ideally I don't think it should be, as it's a preposition), it would have the longer oo sound. 'Where's he off to?'

If someone asked me to read the three words in isolation, they'd all sound the same. (Long oo).

Poppylovescheese Mon 10-Feb-14 10:36:48

The teacher is a twat.

HollyMiamiFLA Mon 10-Feb-14 10:37:14

I did a good homophone thread a while ago. The Lancashire accent is particularly interesting with "their" grin

Rewrite the correct sentences.
Rewrite these sentences correctly.

A difference - but at age 6, that's a stupid thing to do.

composhat I have done the read the instructions bit on my class - and the last one was "Do not answer the questions. Put your pen down"

But that was with 10 year olds. It was quite funny to see what happened. Those who read the instructions were finding it hard not to giggle. grin

HollyMiamiFLA Mon 10-Feb-14 10:42:10

I would love to know the "learning objective" of the question.

Is it to know how to write a sentence correctly?
Or to be able to interpret a question correctly?

And a "D" for a 6yr old!!

Ev1lEdna Mon 10-Feb-14 10:48:10

Is there really anything to be achieved by grading a 6 year old? I think the whole concept is counter productive. In addition the question was clumsily worded which isn't the fault of the child.

I have to admit I would be irritated by this - in particular I would be annoyed by the grading of my 6 year old child for no particular reason.

Coumarin Mon 10-Feb-14 10:49:11

Such badly worded instructions. I think the teacher needs to start writing correct sentences first.

HollyMiamiFLA Mon 10-Feb-14 10:52:04

At that age, you want to encourage success and make a child feel positive. That probably sounds liberal wooly minded child centred teaching that Gove hates.

So the child has gone to a lot of effort and written the sentences correctly. Teacher says - sorry, wrong. You didn't follow my smart arse instructions. I'm going to give you a D.

What has the pupil learnt?

MrsGoslingWannabe Mon 10-Feb-14 10:53:39

Are you supposed to just pick the correct sentences and write them out again?!

Coumarin Mon 10-Feb-14 10:54:08

HerRoyal I think your son's response shows good insight particularly for a 6 year old.

MrsGoslingWannabe Mon 10-Feb-14 10:59:59

If she only needed to rewrite 1 sentence then why was the instruction "Rewrite the correct sentences"?! I hate thick teachers!

HollyMiamiFLA Mon 10-Feb-14 11:23:28

herroyal
How did the story make you feel?

Standard answer up to year 3 is "sad" or "happy" grin

You can guarantee that if you ask that question!!

justtoomessy Mon 10-Feb-14 11:34:09

I had no idea what the teacher wanted and if she only wanted them to write one sentence then should probably should have wrote 'rewrite the correct sentence' rather than sentences. By writing sentences she makes it look like she wants all 3 rewritten.

Donut teacher!

Caboodle Mon 10-Feb-14 11:43:32

Dear Dd's teacher..I see DD got A grade D on her test; this is below her target. I feel we need to address this. Please can we take the time to discuss, in detail, the strategies you are implementing to ensure this doesn't happen again'.

20 minutes of pointless meeting later, teacher will learn to word her questions CAREFULLY.

Muppet.

OwlCapone Mon 10-Feb-14 12:04:54

To and too/two are pronounced quite differently

No they aren't.

But to answer the OP, the teacher needs to word her questions more carefully.

Iamavapernow Mon 10-Feb-14 12:09:21

I think the lesson here is for children to READ THE QUESTIONS PROPERLY in future.

Many silly mistakes are made by not reading the questions properly. This is merely a lesson in that.

Get over it.

Gileswithachainsaw Mon 10-Feb-14 12:11:58

iam they are six. Just getting started on the road to reading writing spelling and punctuation.

It was not phrased in a way that would allow a child to fully understand!!

FrenchJunebug Mon 10-Feb-14 12:15:04

why is sentence three not correct?

and first one is correct if the mother's work in on the train otherwise it is going to work by train.

AuntieStella Mon 10-Feb-14 12:20:26

Sentence 3 is missing a full stop.

Misspixietrix Mon 10-Feb-14 12:45:20

Well if the Teacher only wanted Dd to write Sentence A. She should have made it clearer. If that was Dds Teacher (Yr3) He would have written 'Rewrite the correct sentence' and he also wouldn't have marked every child's work with a Grade. Is this a new Gove thing? confused.

My (very average for his class) 6 year old wouldn't be able to read the question with enough understanding... even if the bloody question made sense! I would be seriously pissed off if he was issued such definitive grades at 6!

I am from the midlands and the to, too/two pronunciation would be the same as Waterlego.

Thumbwitch Mon 10-Feb-14 12:53:30

I'd copy her question paper and send it back to her, marked with a big red D for bloody awful phrasing and content of her question!

As others have already said, "rewrite" is not the same as "copy out"; and the sentences were crap anyway, especially B, which isn't actually a sentence at all and therefore shouldn't have been there.

Your poor DD. sad

Littleen Mon 10-Feb-14 13:02:17

a) Mum goes to work on the train. - Mum goes to work taking the train. (Or something like that, though I read it as her working on the train. It might just be correct as a trick question.)
b) what lovely weather! - What lovely weather!
c) We're singing in the rain - We're singing in the rain.

What a stupid test! Shows nothing at all.

Paintyfingers Mon 10-Feb-14 13:08:24

Iam, the question is completely unclear. If this was part of a lesson plan submitted for assessment on a pgcse or similar course I very much doubt the teacher would score highly.

ComposHat Mon 10-Feb-14 13:08:38

A) Thanks to rising fares and the economic downturn mum now walks to the dole office

Caitlin17 Mon 10-Feb-14 13:41:40

Iam the question was badly worded and ambiguous on a number of counts.

To, too and two are all pronounced the same.

In Scots dialect "to" can be changed to "tae" (pronounced tay)and "two" to "twa" (pronounced as it is spelt) but those are different words not ways of pronunciation.

Bonsoir Wed 12-Feb-14 17:09:44

Hi Greythorne.

I've just seen this. The teacher isn't Miss A*a by any chance?

Greythorne Wed 12-Feb-14 17:43:20

Hi Bonsoir
smile
No, it's not Miss A....
Are you having problems with her? I remember you were circumspect about her.

Bonsoir Wed 12-Feb-14 17:53:55

Not with her (she's coming up next year, in CM2) - but lots of problems!

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