to ban Christmas plays, time for making decorations and story time at primary school?

(71 Posts)
HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 12:59:17

Because it's wasting valuable learning time. All that time spent rehearsing for a 15 minute play. Preparing decorations for the classroom which then got removed. Sitting on a carpet listening to a story. It's all learning time that they are wasting.

From Michael Gove

Thudercatsrule Sun 09-Feb-14 13:00:51

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SantanaLopez Sun 09-Feb-14 13:01:29

YANBU. While you are at it, I think lunchtimes and playtime ought to be out the window as well.

And have you ever seen those videos of Chinese schools on youtube? With the military style exercises in the morning? Oh yes. I think that's cracking.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 13:02:33

I did work at a school where the children marched into class arms folded chanting the times tables.

fridayfreedom Sun 09-Feb-14 13:03:01

Yes ,of course there is no valuable learning in those activities al all!! Tosser!!

DioneTheDiabolist Sun 09-Feb-14 13:04:03

Michael Gove isn't real.

Why can't every seat in a classroom be a commode, valuable learning time is lost due to children going to the toilet.

FoxesRevenge Sun 09-Feb-14 13:04:34

Bring back the strap.

Lottiedoubtie Sun 09-Feb-14 13:05:46

Has he actually said this? [boggles]

anothernumberone Sun 09-Feb-14 13:06:01

Does he actually have children. Have they been super super achievers like maybe a top neurosurgeon and a theoretical physicist. He sounds like he has a fundamental lack of understanding of education. But still so long as he is striking a chord with his own constituents it hardly matters.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 13:07:34

He hasn't said it. But a school did ban Xmas because OFSTED were due.

CheesyBadger Sun 09-Feb-14 13:08:36

Cover him in chocolate and throw him to the toddlers!!

Bowlersarm Sun 09-Feb-14 13:09:16

confused so he hasn't said it?

DaddyPigsMistress Sun 09-Feb-14 13:09:30

I have very little knowledge of the education system and how it works but its like Goves never seen one let alone been in one.

I cant turn away when hes on the news, his stupidity has me sitting there mouth agape.

DaddyPigsMistress Sun 09-Feb-14 13:10:37

**seen a school.

elQuintoConyo Sun 09-Feb-14 13:11:29

What a massive wanker.

insancerre Sun 09-Feb-14 13:13:01

He should ban weekends too
and all those holidays

snice Sun 09-Feb-14 13:15:02

But he didn't actually say what your OP said then?

snice Sun 09-Feb-14 13:15:48

Isn't that a bit misleading?

orangedog Sun 09-Feb-14 13:17:41

I think that modelling state education on battery farming is the way forward. Cram as many children as possible into a classroom from birth to age 18 and force feed a diet of timestables.

guggenheim Sun 09-Feb-14 13:18:34

Of course! remember it is a business not a child centered learning environment.I bet you my body weight in chocolate buttons that within a year some twerp decides that children can actually make money while being in school. Perhaps spin cloth while doing pe? sort out accounts for businesses during maths...

<rocks and weeps>

Bowlersarm Sun 09-Feb-14 13:21:27

OP - if HE DIDN'T SAY IT - then what a stupid sensationalist thread confused confused

You can't just make up things and expect people to comment when they don't know it isn't real.

Why did you just say 'reasons I don't like Michael Gove' or something, rather than making something up?

FourFlapjacksPlease Sun 09-Feb-14 13:22:11

He has said plenty of stupid things and I don't disagree that he is a wanker. However it is a little odd to post with imaginary Gove quotes.

SantanaLopez Sun 09-Feb-14 13:22:30

OP is making a joke, FFS.

Bowlersarm Sun 09-Feb-14 13:23:16

Oh. Very funny. Ha ha.

SaltaKatten Sun 09-Feb-14 13:29:38

I've been told that when I am talking to the class or to a group of pupils, teaching them, then that is learning time being wasted! It seems that unless they are sitting in silence working on calculations or writing, then learning time is wasted.

AuntieStella Sun 09-Feb-14 13:33:45

There's an awful lot of astroturfing about Gove on MN.

tripecity Sun 09-Feb-14 13:49:39

Gove is an utter knob

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 14:02:08

Some people need a sense of humour

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 14:06:04

Did you think it was real? Just goes to show it is hard to distinguish between real Gove thoughts and made up ones.

anothernumberone Sun 09-Feb-14 14:06:57

Holly have you ever heard of libel?

curlew Sun 09-Feb-14 14:07:03

I heard that he was going to allow Christmas plays so long as they were in Latin...

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 14:07:16

Now that would be a good thread. Which quotes are real and which are made up.

curlew Sun 09-Feb-14 14:08:43

Easy, Holly, the least credible will be the real ones.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 14:09:20

I think libel is the least of what Gove has to worry about

anothernumberone Sun 09-Feb-14 14:11:14

No Holly he doesn't have to worry about libel he has never said anything defamatory about you confused

Pipbin Sun 09-Feb-14 14:11:37

I've just learned that he was adopted. That means he has two sets of parents who are shaking their heads is disbelief at what they have done.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 14:32:04

Am I the first person to defame Gove?

Caboodle Sun 09-Feb-14 14:42:23

Too funny that people are up in arms over joke OP rather than up in arms about Gove's policies.
Get a sense of humour.
Then, worry that actually, this man has a huge influence over your child's future.

harticus Sun 09-Feb-14 14:51:56

FFS what is wrong with MN these days?

A good little jokey satirical jibe at Gove pissed all over by people with no humour bleating on about libel.

Back to OP - what about all that time children waste gestating?
Surely there must be a way to get in utero and get them working earlier?

ForgettableTampon Sun 09-Feb-14 14:56:54

actually Pipbin I am totally PO about making quips relating to folk being adopted.

[lemon lips]

OP v funny, I sighed in recognition of the MO; even if he's not done it yet it's amazingly plausible

Caboodle Sun 09-Feb-14 15:04:00

I don't think Pipbin's comment was meant to offend.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 15:20:06

Some schools have stopped story time as it interferes with learning.
ERIC (everyone reading in class) after lunch has gone in some schools - it's a good way to get everyone calm. Now there's learning activities to do instead. Must keep busy at all times.

I would not want to be a child in Gove's world of education.

orangedog Sun 09-Feb-14 15:21:06

What a shame that storytime has been stopped in some schools. sad

Pipbin Sun 09-Feb-14 16:29:17

I apologise for offence caused, it was not what I intended at all.

Scholes34 Sun 09-Feb-14 17:57:40

We can get the kids to do this test instead of story time:

Can you guess which quotes are from Michael Gove and which are from Dolores Umbridge?

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 18:07:24

7/12 accuracy grin

phantomnamechanger Sun 09-Feb-14 18:12:37

I got 8, all based on guesswork

cardibach Sun 09-Feb-14 18:38:45

I have been told that silent reading isn't interactive enough so it is a waste of time. I am also told to improve literacy. Finding it hard to obey both instructions.

SaltaKatten Sun 09-Feb-14 18:52:58


orangedog Sun 09-Feb-14 18:59:47

'I have been told that silent reading isn't interactive enough so it is a waste of time.' sad

Since when has exposing children to expansive vocabulary been a waste of time? You are a tit Mr Gove.

starlight1234 Sun 09-Feb-14 19:21:31


I was amused but yes it goes to show how many people wouldn't be shocked if he did make this statement...

Caboodle Sun 09-Feb-14 19:44:20

11/12 (would have been twelve but I took the advice of DH).

iklboo Sun 09-Feb-14 19:45:59

I worry if Michael Gove was loved enough. His comments are bordering on Dickensian / League of Gentlemen character.

DamnBamboo Sun 09-Feb-14 19:47:37

I don't get it?
If he hasn't said it - why say that he has?

Lottiedoubtie Sun 09-Feb-14 19:50:13

11/12 brilliant quiz though.

DamnBamboo Sun 09-Feb-14 19:51:24

Meh - a joke.
I'm no fan of the guy but what a stupid OP!

Bowlersarm Sun 09-Feb-14 19:51:27

Exactly DamnBamboo

But, apparently, it's a joke and we have 'no sense of humour'. Oh yes, and 'FFS'.


HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 20:13:09

Think of it as a thread to help Gove see what people think of a policy he might be thinking of.

Not that Gove has ever thought of a policy, announced it, seen the reaction and reversed it.


HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 20:15:10

But you do realise a school did ban Christmas at school because OFSTED were coming, schools do limit storytime because it prevents learning time and many schools don't do decorations because it takes up learning time.

Some schools don't do plays or fun things because they're not educational.

So it is happening. Just not official policy. Yet.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 20:15:44

But Gove wouldn't go that far?

Would he?

persimmon Sun 09-Feb-14 20:16:26

I am increasingly of the opinion that Michael Gove himself is, in fact, a reverse AIBU.

Coldlightofday Sun 09-Feb-14 20:21:03

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 20:22:11

I wonder if Asian schools spend so much time on activities like school plays, rehearsals etc - or do they make the most of the school day.

Gove is very keen to emulate them so what they do - I am sure we will have to do soon.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 20:24:29

Dear children,

Have you seen the Blob? It's in your school. But with my help, we will kill it.


I think I'm only slightly paraphrasing his Blob reference.

HollyMiamiFLA Sun 09-Feb-14 20:25:54
gordyslovesheep Sun 09-Feb-14 20:26:21

I found a clip of him giving his honest views about education and teachers

Bearfrills Sun 09-Feb-14 20:46:44

While you're at it Mr Gove, please bring in more testing for small children as I don't feel they are currently tested nearly enough. For example this week my four year old had to sit through a handwriting test (apparently it took most of the morning to shepherd the whole class through the test - this is good, they might have otherwise wasted that time with some actual learning). He failed the test as he forms his lowercase t's and s's "incorrectly". With his t's he draws the - part and then adds the l to make a t. With s he starts from the bottom left and draws it upwards rather than starting from the top right and drawing it downwards.

This is obviously a direct result of my slack parenting and his teacher has sent extra homework sheets home this weekend, the sheets are basically dotty outlines of s and t that he has to trace over and over again until it sinks into his little four year old head that it doesn't matter that his s and t's are perfectly legible, he is forming them incorrectly and will therefore never amount to anything and will end up on the dole staring at his 567" TV while drinking Super Brew at 10am because employers only want people who can draw t and s in the accepted right-way-of-doing-it.

So yes, more tests please. In fact, handwriting should be tested daily and if it ain't right then fine the feckless parents who are jeopardising their child's future by not enforcing good handwriting.

DC's school effectively cancelled Christmas for KS2 following a truly disastrous set of SATS the term before. Actually I think they were probably right to do so.

ReallyTired Sun 09-Feb-14 21:02:32

Our school which is offically inadequate cancelled christmas parties and school plays for year 1 and upwards. Clearly year 1 were on santa's naughty list for not knowing their phonics.

"So yes, more tests please. In fact, handwriting should be tested daily and if it ain't right then fine the feckless parents who are jeopardising their child's future by not enforcing good handwriting."

Prehaps health visitors will be trained in spotting slack handwriting in two year olds!

Bearfrills Sun 09-Feb-14 23:21:39

I asked 2yo DD to write her name today. She just looked at me blankly, did a scribble and then claimed it was a picture of a snowman. She's doomed.

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