To arrive at work and make a cup of coffee?

(255 Posts)
FunnysInLaJardin Fri 07-Feb-14 22:20:55

I have been criticised today for arriving at work and after logging on etc making a cup of coffee. Doesn't everyone do this? Or am I living in the dark ages and I should arrive and start work straight away? Maybe I should delay my first cup of coffee for a half an hour or some such?

amothersplaceisinthewrong Fri 07-Feb-14 22:21:49

I always make a cuppa when I arrive. Make one for the boss too and my colleagues if they are in. Thought this was normal. smile

Beeyump Fri 07-Feb-14 22:22:12

Who criticised you? confused how tiresome.

Euphemia Fri 07-Feb-14 22:22:34

Who criticised you?

Featherbag Fri 07-Feb-14 22:23:01

Why don't you get there 5 minutes earlier and make your coffee before logging on? Tbh you sound like you're taking the piss a bit, no, 'everyone' doesn't do this!

Annunziata Fri 07-Feb-14 22:23:25

Maybe you should offer one to everyone?

flipchart Fri 07-Feb-14 22:23:59

Depends on the job I suppose. Sometimes I get in and all hands are already on the deck so I muck in until things have calmed down then have a brew. Other times it is more relaxed.

deakymom Fri 07-Feb-14 22:24:24

stop off at starbucks on the way?

brettgirl2 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:24:52

featherbag you need a new job. Is the person pisse you didn't offer them one? Totally normal ime but I don't work in a clock in and out-type environment.

camtt Fri 07-Feb-14 22:25:10

I think almost everyone does this, certainly everyone in every office I've ever worked in. I guess you have to look around your particular office and see what the norm appears to be.

RandomMess Fri 07-Feb-14 22:25:16

Blimey I make my drink after logging - making use of the fact it takes AGES to boot up and be operational...

harriet247 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:25:31

It depends ig its taking 15 minutes off every morning every day really, and if you offer one to everyone else. I dont think yabu but I can see that it would look a bit casual

Pigsmummy Fri 07-Feb-14 22:25:39

Where you late?

Hassled Fri 07-Feb-14 22:25:41

Is it someone having a bit of a moment over the tea and coffee fund? There's always politics/ill-feeling around the tea&coffee fund, IME. Is her real problem the fact you forgot to pay your £2 a month ago?

gordyslovesheep Fri 07-Feb-14 22:26:10

lordy you just described my morning routine - if anyone puled me up on it I'd tell them to shit off !

Artandco Fri 07-Feb-14 22:26:16

I wouldn't. Don't you have a coffee at home before leaving? How long is your commute? If I had a cup of tea at say 7.30am at home, then went to work for 8am, I prob wouldn't make a cup of anything until 10/11ish, apart from a glass/ bottle of water

squoosh Fri 07-Feb-14 22:26:53

I don't drink tea or coffee but I'd say 95% of my colleagues start the day by preparing vats of coffee. Whoever criticised you is a bore.

antimatter Fri 07-Feb-14 22:27:07

that could have been my last boss's comment
did they also say that they need robots to perform job tacks and not to ask too many questions?

AlpacaPicnic Fri 07-Feb-14 22:27:52

I get to work between 10 and 30 minutes early depending on traffic, and make a coffee as soon as I arrive (maybe some toast too!)

Then my boss arrives about 5 minutes before the start time - and makes a coffee. She always offers me one too - even if she can see i've just finished one, or am still drinking one!

As long as it's not preventing you from working, I say go for it.

Featherbag Fri 07-Feb-14 22:28:08

You happen to be correct brettgirl but I can't think of a job I've had (I've worked in call centres, hospital admin and as a nurse) where it wouldn't be frowned upon to start work and then immediately go make coffee, it's always been expected, in every job I've had, that you actually start work at your start time!

schnockles Fri 07-Feb-14 22:28:21

Who criticised you? Does your cup of coffee inhibit your ability to complete your work on time? confused

I arrive, turn on PC/log on and make tea. Then to work.

theborrower Fri 07-Feb-14 22:28:43

Well I must be unreasonable because that's the first thing I do, as well as making my porridge. I eat my breakfast as I check my emails. It's not unusual in our office though.

Southeastdweller Fri 07-Feb-14 22:29:24

Shortly after me and some of my colleagues log in, we go to the canteen or cafe next door to get breakfast.

The person who criticised you needs to get out more.

Featherbag Fri 07-Feb-14 22:30:05

I suppose it depends on the job/work environment, going on these responses, guess I've always been unlucky!

FunkyBoldRibena Fri 07-Feb-14 22:30:20

Who criticised you exactly?

goodasitgets Fri 07-Feb-14 22:31:11

Depends what job. Would be frowned upon where I work, we make drinks before we start

Lora1982 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:31:51

We would be spoken to if we did this. Id make one then go and log on. Or log on and wait half hr at least! Your start time is your start time, not your start of pre-shift cofffee time.

TamerB Fri 07-Feb-14 22:32:41

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

mousmous Fri 07-Feb-14 22:33:03

my work computer takes ages to start up so it's only sensible to go and make a brew whilst that's going on.

Ubik1 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:33:34

I have to be logged on and ready to start the exact minute my shift starts. It's all logged.

So coffee is made before the start of my shift time, or I have to wait an hour for a tea and a pee -I am only allowed 5 mins for that - that is logged too.

woe betide anyone who is 30 secs over

Wantsunshine Fri 07-Feb-14 22:34:34

Who doesn't? I am normally about half an hour late but always login and then head off for a coffee. Unless you work on a production line it would be odd not to

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 07-Feb-14 22:35:14

everyone else does it and no never late. I arrive 10 mins ahead of my start time. I work in an office but my 'boss' is a bore who would rather watch everyone else than get on with her own work. It's very tiresome and the reason I am looking for another job tbh. I just thought it was normal office behaviour and of course not stopping me from working and doing my job. God this week has been a PITA

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 07-Feb-14 22:36:34

oh and I am in a professional job where we are supposed to be trusted to do our jobs and not shirk

Pilgit Fri 07-Feb-14 22:36:37

I always log on and then make tea. But it takes ages to log in, we have zipp taps (instant hot water) and my commute is 1.5 hours. It depends on the job as well though - I don't have clocking in or out times and am autonomous about my time - as are the rest of the people I work with so no one cares. But if it is negatively impacting on colleagues that's different. But in general that is a shit to way to treat you!

brettgirl2 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:36:50

jeez and I moan about my job confused brew

mistlethrush Fri 07-Feb-14 22:37:03

It does, surely, depend upon your work - I get to work, switch on, make a cup of tea, and log-in and get on with it. I normally am in the office at 8.10 and started formally by 8.15. Other people get in at 10am. They simply work later. So 'logging on and then making tea' doesn't mean I don't start 'on time' because I don't have a formal 'start time'.

HaroldLloyd Fri 07-Feb-14 22:38:21

Totally normal behaviour. Beyond petty that is.

Mintyy Fri 07-Feb-14 22:39:41

I actually cannot function without coffee and I can't have one before leaving the house because I have a long commute and would just need to pee (am aged) - so Yanbu.

Caoilainn Fri 07-Feb-14 22:40:41

I get in before my start time, make coffee for myself, boss and colleague. If I'm running late, coffee is always on my desk.
My boss and colleague are always earlier than their start ti e too.
I think it's comes down to ethos and respect ( we also take turns with the milk) grin

BoffinMum Fri 07-Feb-14 22:41:09

That is normal office behaviour.

FutTheShuckUp Fri 07-Feb-14 22:41:22

Want sunshine you rock up half an hour late then faff around making a drink? Taking the proverbial much?

BettyBotter Fri 07-Feb-14 22:41:50

Yup - normal

Your boss, on the other hand is not.

FunnysInLaJardin Fri 07-Feb-14 22:42:28

Harold 'beyond petty' sums my 'boss' up in two words!

Theas18 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:43:12

This why I have a coffee flask type cup lol. Hit the ground running. I don't have a "clock in" type job- far from it, I'm my own boss, apparently! That just means starting early and finishing late a lot if the time...

NatashaBee Fri 07-Feb-14 22:43:44

Fine as long as you're at your desk ready to start by your start time. Personally I wouldn't care anyway but some people are ridiculous about stuff like that.

Jolleigh Fri 07-Feb-14 22:44:35

Depends on the job. My workplace is extremely flexible and nobody would bat an eyelid...we're paid to complete a task rather than to be at our desk for X number of hours. But if you're covering phone work and aren't logged in at your desk by the start time or you work in a very rigid team, YABU.

Looks like above you've said you actually arrive early and make the brew before your start time? I'd tell them to fuck off.

EBearhug Fri 07-Feb-14 22:45:07

Most people do it where I work. I don't, because I don't drink coffee. I get a glass of water instead. <living life on the edge>

TomaszSchafernaker Fri 07-Feb-14 22:46:17

That's my morning routine. At least that's all I do after logging on unlike colleagues who log on then proceed to put make up on have a brew AND make and eat their breakfast

pourmeanotherglass Fri 07-Feb-14 22:46:56

I always make a coffee while my computer starts up. I might not take it well if the boss tried to critisise, as I often end up working past my finish time to get everything done and he is usually out the door at 5:30 on the dot.

LCHammer Fri 07-Feb-14 22:46:58

Like Mintyy, I have a long commute and can't have water and coffee at home or in the car as I'd need the loo. So it's coffee first when I arrive. Of course there are days when there's no time for anything all day. What petty people you work with. Do they time you on the loo?

I always do. I offer one to the whole team to soften it wink

scantilymad Fri 07-Feb-14 22:47:40

Yanbu. It's good time management to put the kettle on whilst the PC is starting up....

gimcrack Fri 07-Feb-14 22:54:24

That's petty. I once worked somewhere where I was criticised if I used the loo any time within the hour before I left. My boss was a bullying twat, though.

Bunbaker Fri 07-Feb-14 22:58:45

"Blimey I make my drink after logging - making use of the fact it takes AGES to boot up and be operational..."

Same here, but I always get to work earl anyway as I have to drop DD off at the bus stop.

Nearly everyone at work makes a drink when they first get in as our company is on a trading estate and nowhere near a Starbucks or any other place selling coffee etc.

SeaSickSal Fri 07-Feb-14 23:01:07

It's normal.

The only time I can see it being genuinely a problem is if every time you do it, it means that you aren't actually at your desk working until 10 minutes after your start time every day.

MrsOakenshield Fri 07-Feb-14 23:04:56

I always do it, and I rock up bang on time - I used to get there early but then they moved the office to somewhere with much worse train connections so I have no choice but to get in on the dot (can't take DD to nursery any earlier). I think frankly tough tit for moving the office to such a place, they were told! My immediate boss doesn't care - I always make her one too!

MoveYourArmsLikeHenry Fri 07-Feb-14 23:06:29

My bosses will make a cup of tea in the morning. The rest of us are not allowed. They also have a wee chat during the day about all sorts and eat sweets. The rest of us are not so much as allowed to discuss what the bloody weather is like outside, never mind what we got up to at the weekend.

We are prohibited for filling our water bottles outside our break and lunch times, an it is frowned upon to use the loo too many times outside these times.

Medical and dentist appointments must be arranged at the end of the day and you must make sure you get someone on an earlier shift to swap with you so you cause least amount of disruption.

I could go on.

BrianTheMole Fri 07-Feb-14 23:09:30

I always did when I worked in an office. Then I took it to my desk to drink it whilst working. Nowadays I work from home so I can do what I want. No one to spy on me.

Wantsunshine Fri 07-Feb-14 23:09:39

You are I a professional job, if she has an issue with this then ensure you are not working evenings/weekends which most jobs do. Work to rule if you can't make a coffee. Can these type of people realise they are shooting themselves in the foot. What a terrible manager. I recommend jobserve or similar!

BrianTheMole Fri 07-Feb-14 23:11:06

Jeez, what job do you do moveyouraems? Thats shite!!

livelablove Fri 07-Feb-14 23:11:32

Moveyourarms I vote you have the worst job! Of course all workplaces are different, but generally one of the perks of working in an office is a bit of flexibility in allowing you to get a drink and so on.

sublimecorpse Fri 07-Feb-14 23:13:14

That's what everyone in my office does. They also make toast and porridge grin

SwedishEdith Fri 07-Feb-14 23:13:43

Totally normal. Some of you sound like you work in some dreadful places. Fair enough if you're working in A&E or similar but an office?

minibmw2010 Fri 07-Feb-14 23:14:43

Sorry I haven't read the thread but ... It depends, are you due to start work at 9 so you arrive at 9 and then you go and make a coffee and get back to your desk at 9.15?

yummystepford Fri 07-Feb-14 23:15:29

In my last job the policy was to be ready to work for 9am. Coffee already made and on desk and computer on and ready to go. Tbf I think it's slightly unfair that we have to be there before we get paid to allow for the pcs to load? I understand to make a cuppa and stuff

MoveYourArmsLikeHenry Fri 07-Feb-14 23:18:03

I work in child care. Yes, the cup of tea thing, fair enough. But not even being allowed to talk about anything other than work? Pppffft! It's a stressful job, need to relieve your strain somehow.

Can't tell you the number of times I got a bollocking because a form of conversation "slipped out". Colleague and I were discussing what we were making for dinner that night and got "told off" as it apparently wasn't appropriate. Oh, the absolute shame of it hmm

HadABadDay2014 Fri 07-Feb-14 23:19:47

I couldn't function without my coffee before work, so have 1 while setting up.

BrianTheMole Fri 07-Feb-14 23:40:41

That sounds like a rubbish place to work moveyourarms. Why do some people feel the need to be so controlling. You need a new job.

JadziaSnax Fri 07-Feb-14 23:52:23

I work flexitime so do clock in & out. I always make a coffee whilst my lappy is booting up, as does everyone else. I also have to nip to the loo on my way in, the joys of a 40 mile commute

When I've worked in call centres, I've had to be logged on by shift start time so would get a coffee on my way to my desk.

Call centres are the worst for loo & brew pettiness IME.

SinglePringle Fri 07-Feb-14 23:55:56

I do as you do OP and would take great offence at being told IWBU. That said, I got to the office at 7.40 this morning and left at 9.45pm. Anyone who criticised my coffee making when I'm doing those hours would see my Dark Side.

whois Sat 08-Feb-14 00:02:00

Yeah another one for having a cup of coffee on arrival. Was perfect as my computer took so long to not up I could make one and be back at my desk before the password screen but I got a new computer this week which is much quicker.

Totaly normal at my work, but then it's also totally normal to check emails when you get up and work late so grabbing a coffee from the machine isn't a biggie.

JohnCusacksWife Sat 08-Feb-14 00:52:00

You can't move in our office kitchen between 9-9.15 for people making tea / coffee / toast / porridge. Completely normal practice....YADNBU.

MsAspreyDiamonds Sat 08-Feb-14 03:04:06

I do this, I switch on my computer & make myself a coffee and by the time I get to my desk the old dinosaur has come to life. I see this as multitasking although I too have been criticised by a colleague who interestingly starts an hour earlier than I do but still in her coat talking by the time I get in at 10am. She also has many, many time wasting tips and is completel unmanageable that the big bosses have given up on her.

HicDraconis Sat 08-Feb-14 03:13:09

fair enough if you're working in A&E or similar - I work in a similar environment (theatres) and we all make coffee when we arrive! I just try not to drink it in front of patients smile

MrsAMerrick Sat 08-Feb-14 03:59:18

I think there has to be a bit of flexibility in office environments. I usually arrive at Work around 8.15, switch pc on and then make a cuppa, have a quick chat to whoever else is in. However, I then put 8.30 down on my timesheet because that's when I start doing real work.

I have a colleague who wanders in at about 9.35, which is ok as we all work different hours, but then spends 10 minutes faffing around making tea, going to the loo etc before finally stating work around 09.45. However, she always puts 09.30 down as her start time. I think that's taking the piss tbh.

Custardo Sat 08-Feb-14 04:06:25

LTB

Chottie Sat 08-Feb-14 04:21:38

I always arrive early for work. I make a cup of tea, computer is on and I start work about 10 minutes before my actual start time. It would be frowned upon to arrive dead on time and then start faffing around with coffee / tea making.

daisychain01 Sat 08-Feb-14 05:17:45

Totally reasonable, Funnys, a lot of people cant function without a nice cuppa, me included, it's sociable and nice to have a quick chat when your PC is booting up. Honesty your boss is being "beyond petty" (great description) and it means they are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Counterproductive, that style of management - always makes me angry that they are the type who wont bat an eyelid if they delay you from leaving, then it's "oh can you just do one last thing..." No bugger off, why should I!

The thought of not having my first cuppa gives me the shakes (actually, I go to the gym first thing so I could murder a Full English gets out frying pan from bag but think Id be taking the piss!! grin

MsLT Sat 08-Feb-14 07:16:48

grin I'm going to try this! I'll log in, take my form's register and make myself a cup of coffee! Sounds good to me!

KeinBock Sat 08-Feb-14 07:26:19

MoveYourArms do you work in the Apple call centre in Barcelona? You've described it to a T. Apparently.

dontcallmemam Sat 08-Feb-14 07:32:07

We all arrive about 8.50; PC on to boot, kettle on, argue about where the milk is, wee, chat then start at 9. I'd be very confused if I couldn't keep to the routine.

superbagpuss Sat 08-Feb-14 07:45:56

it depends on how you are paid I think

I am salary, I always work over my standard hours and get my work done to schedule

I get to work at 7 30, log on and get myself a tea, which I drink while answering emails , eating breakfast and planning my day

however if you were working to clock and taking the Michael with long breaks that could be annoying

SavoyCabbage Sat 08-Feb-14 07:46:30

I think we should work on trying to find Moveyourarms a new job. No conversations or filling water bottles!

Peanate Sat 08-Feb-14 08:01:32

It would be mutiny in my office if they tried to limit coffee time. Our new starter induction includes barista training so we can work the coffee machines (personal and client coffees). We are encouraged to drink as much coffee as we want. I couldn't handle working somewhere where they monitor your time usage so closely...

thanksamillion Sat 08-Feb-14 08:24:13

I don't think it's unusual, but I did have a team member that I had to 'talk to' about this kind of thing. She was perpetually late and would then arrive, log on and immediately go off to the canteen to buy breakfast and nip out for a fag break. Her job was time critical in the morning (dealing with setting up meetings) and other people were covering for her. She felt that because she was physically at work it didn't matter that she wasn't around for the first half hour.

Jinsei Sat 08-Feb-14 08:31:49

Most people do this in my office, including me, and I think it's fine. Computers take a couple of minutes to start up in any case, so it's something to do while people wait. As the boss, I have no issue with this.

However, I did have to speak to one member of staff who told her manager that she started work at 9am but couldn't attend a 9am meeting because she needed time to make her cup of coffee first. Now that's just taking the piss! hmm

poorbuthappy Sat 08-Feb-14 08:35:10

I started a new job this week and my initiation was as follows.
You make tea for everyone. So that's 10 cups to make.
5 teas and 5 coffees.
The coffee is fresh filter coffee every time.
So you go and the put the coffee on.
Collect cups and wash
Put the kettle on at some point in the next 10 mins.
Make it all
Almost drop it all by trying to open the door to the office.
Then everyone is always very very happy to have a cuppa given to them.
It's about 20 mins all in.

Mind you we also had a YouTube half hour with the boss yesterday.
So yes it's fair to say I am loving my new job! grin

bouncysmiley Sat 08-Feb-14 08:38:18

Do you only get paid for the amount of time you are logged on? If not I really can't see the problem. Maybe whoever pulled you up is not very good at time management. It's not hard to catch up the 10 mins it takes to make a coffee, and you ate probably more effective for it! You can't judge quality of work by time sat in front of computer screen.

In an office environment it's a given, we take it in turns for our banks of desks. It would be a crap atmosphere if we weren't allowed, plus we are paid to do our jobs and as we are so damn efficient tea/coffee making does not hinder our peformance.

I get in half an hour early every day, unlike those that rock up late every day boss has given up on them

magimedi Sat 08-Feb-14 09:01:47

Hope you find a new job asap, Funnys.

Totally unreasonable & very perrt.

I've worked in places where this would be a problem, and others where it was expected that the coffees get made as first order of the day.

Some organisations have issues with staff logging on THEN making a drink as once logged on you are on paid company time, and your first act is to go make yourself a drink instead of starting the work you are paid to do. This is most important in an environment where logging in time is recorded, because then you are taking the piss a bit.

Most companies with start times or set hours expect employees to be at their desk ready to start work at a certain time or at log in point - you aren't doing that. You're logging in before you are ready to start work then wandering off.

It depends on the ethos and rules of your workplace, in some I've worked in you would be told in no uncertain terms, by management, to pack it in. As someone has mentioned it you should listen.

Make your coffee before logging on - and if that isn't possible because you haven't time before you are meant to be logged on that's your evidence that you were taking the piss. If you have to arrive five minutes earlier or leave five minutes later to facilitate making a coffee before log on - ditto.

If it makes no difference to any of the above then it won't make any difference to you anyway. But it probably does, in which case you have been out of order.

silkknickers Sat 08-Feb-14 09:10:19

presumably there is a difference between having a coffee 'on the go' and taking a definite coffee break. I drink a lot of coffee during the day, but never actually take a break from work. so I wonder if the people who equate having a cup of coffee with taking a break may see me as being lazy - although if they looked harder they would see me working as hard as ever.

FourArms Sat 08-Feb-14 09:17:48

I'm a teacher so can make tea and coffee at any time I'm not physically teaching. Lots of goodwill at our school though which is why I've checked my email 10 times in the last 16 hours. smile

PaperBagPrincess Sat 08-Feb-14 09:20:21

Depends on the job. When I was teaching, no, certainly couldnt have done this. I had my coffee en route, and was on the job the minute I walked in the door.

One of the reasons I left teaching grin

BoffinMum Sat 08-Feb-14 09:22:08

What is super fascinating here to a researcher is that, a) log ons are taking up ludicrous amounts of time (one of my colleagues does research into this and quoted me the number of waking hours of a person's life that is spent doing this. I can't remember what it was, but it was mental), and b) what has developed on the back end of this log on issue is a kind of liminal space, as social anthropologists would call it, or a kind of social or psychological buffer zone between work and home, where people do at work things they would probably have done at home in years gone past. This is probably partially because of dead time waiting for computers to do things, partially because formal canteen meals are largely a thing of the past, and partially a bonding ritual.

FudgefaceMcZ Sat 08-Feb-14 09:29:16

Eh my line manager does this every single day. I normally have coffee at home then just drink water at desk but I'd say probably at least 50% of people do the same as you in my workplace, so seems bizarre for anyone to criticise what is clearly normal behaviour.

AngelinaCongleton Sat 08-Feb-14 09:29:32

You would probably be murdered in a call centre environment for doing this.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay Sat 08-Feb-14 09:33:15

I get in to work and my hand goes from the door knob to the kettle knob. We are all fuelled by caffeine. Any boss that doesn't realise that it is wise to pick their battles is a bit silly really. It is a non issue if everyone works as they should and smacks of the sort of micro managing that builds resentment.
My boss would know that if he mentioned the coffee /biscuit consumption his workers would cease the working through lunch if need be and the hanging on for an extra ten minutes here or five minutes there (5 hours for me once) and the going the 'extra mile' we all do on a frequent basis. He would also be getting his coffee with various extra ingredients also. Why piss off a workforce for something so petty?

FudgefaceMcZ Sat 08-Feb-14 09:34:13

Also not sure if 'logging in' is now the equivalent of 'clocking in' when there used to be card stampers and things? (God I am old! I had those when doing pt cleaning as a student, they were quite fun actually). I don't always log in to my computer first thing as I'm about 75% lab based so often drop my bag at desk then go into lab to check on things that have run overnight. I hope I'm not being recorded as working shorter hours because of this!

goodasitgets Sat 08-Feb-14 09:46:55

I'm salaried but if I start at 8am, I have to be at my desk and logged on for 8am. So I could make tea/coffee then go in which is what I do but couldn't log in and then go out
Probably different as our computers are on 24/7

FunnysInLaJardin Sat 08-Feb-14 09:47:33

Thanks Magi I am working on it! and Custardo great advice grin

I am in a professional office environment working at a senior level and everyone else makes coffee etc. When I used to buy a coffee as opposed to making one when I got in I was described as 'wandering in with a coffee'. I had to have serious words yesterday about respect and understanding that working hard could be displayed as quiet efficiency rather than running about shouting about how busy you were.

The woman in question is rather a nasty controlling type and so I think I will be happier elsewhere. She has form for this type of thing ie with her immediate staff saying stuff like 'oh were you doing your clients shopping too' when people were back from appointments and she thought they had taken too long.

Nottalotta Sat 08-Feb-14 09:52:04

I have a cup of tea when i get up at 6.30. Drink it while getting ready, leave at 7am. I get to work at 8.30 - 9am. Switch PC on, go and make coffee while its getting itself ready. I also eat breakfast at my desk while checking emails etc. Almost everyone in the office does this. The computors and specifically the system we use takes 5 - 10 minutes to start up.

I can see that if you were a nurse or worked somewhere other than an office, this wouldn't be able to happen.

BoffinMum Sat 08-Feb-14 09:52:12

She's trying a cheap shot, as you say. Face time is an easy thing to clock if you are trying to harass someone and need a way in. It's like the snarky comments some parents get when they have to pick up their kids, or the stuff aimed at part-times about 'their lovely days off' when in actual fact they may have another job for the rest of the time, or be paid part time but end up doing a lot more work than they are paid for. Not a very attractive characteristic really.

hickorychicken Sat 08-Feb-14 09:53:08

I dont work in an office but its the norm here to have a coffee on arrival for daystaff but nightstaff wait about an hour when suppers are done smile

BoffinMum Sat 08-Feb-14 09:55:18

Shame you are too decent to install a sniffer program onto her machine to log what she's actually up to on there, isn't it?

<naughty technologist emoticon>
<have never dared to do this but have fantasised about doing it to one office bully in particular>

grumpalumpgrumped Sat 08-Feb-14 09:56:32

I don't do this, my boss puts the kettle on as I pull up! Often there is a treat from the bakery on my desk too. I love my boss grin

ShadowFall Sat 08-Feb-14 09:57:35

This is normal in my office.

People come in, turn computer on, and then go get a tea / coffee while the pc is turning itself on. We have one of those instant hot water machines, plus a fancy coffee machine, so no waiting around for kettles to boil. People then go back to their desks with hot drink, log in and start work.

Incidentally, our time at work is counted as when we're physically in the building, as registered by the swipe cards we use to get through the doors. We have core hours of 9:30am - 4pm, with flexible start / finish times for the majority of employees - a few people, mostly reception staff and PAs, have set working hours.

But, generally, so long as people complete the tasks they're given at work, turn up on time to any scheduled meetings, and spend most of their time actually working, no-one really gives a monkeys about what time in the day they go to get a cup of tea / coffee.

Sneezecakesmum Sat 08-Feb-14 09:58:52

We weren't allowed to make coffee except in 'designated breaks'. Even 'toilet breaks' were monitored.

NHS direct was like working for the nazi party angry

BoffinMum Sat 08-Feb-14 10:02:45

I think call centres need to have much stricter rules, but it can't be pleasant for people working there.

MrCabDriver Sat 08-Feb-14 10:02:49

Wouldn't it make more sense to make your coffee and then go to your desk with it and log on?

HectorVector Sat 08-Feb-14 10:03:39

We are not allowed (NHS) we had to sign a code of conduct about this. Essentially says we will be ready to start work at 9am (this means we are not to arrive at 9 and then get changed or make coffee)... We must start work at 9am, if we need to get changed or want to make coffee we have to et in earlier.

DurhamDurham Sat 08-Feb-14 10:08:55

In our office we always start the day with a coffee, I think there would be a revolt if the rules were changed. We probably do drink too many rounds of coffee on a daily basis, sometimes I think it's just a excuse to get up from the desk and have a wander to the kitchen, stretch your legs a bit.
I have worked in other jobs where this hasn't been possible, however in those jobs you got proper breaks and one hour lunches. Where I work now we rarely have a real lunch break, we eat while we are working so I think those that pay us get their money's worth grin

SirChenjin Sat 08-Feb-14 10:09:29

I will make a cup of coffee if I feel like it when my laptop is firing up - but this takes me less than 2 minutes to walk about 3 doors up to the kitchen, fill cup from the hydraboil thing, walk back to desk.

If you're coming in, chatting to colleagues, wandering off to kitchen, chatting to colleagues there, coming back to desk, chatting again - then yes, that's inappropriate, but most adults in the workplace are there to be efficient and effective, and don't take the p. I can't stand bosses who throw their weight about and sweat the small stuff like people making the odd cup of coffee.

winterhat Sat 08-Feb-14 10:17:20

Hasn't your boss got anything better to do? How dull.

EBearhug Sat 08-Feb-14 10:56:31

If you're coming in, chatting to colleagues, wandering off to kitchen, chatting to colleagues there, coming back to desk, chatting again - then yes, that's inappropriate

It depends what you're chatting about - it can be very useful catch up time, "oh, did you see Steve replied to that email, so we need to..." "Can you let us know when you're going to do that? It's going to affect our planning for..."

Ubik1 Sat 08-Feb-14 10:59:54

Call centres are the worst for loo & brew pettiness IME.

Yup -we had an email from a boss at about 5am telling us that we were not allowed a 'walkaway' (ie timed 5min toilet break) in the last hour of nightshift.

Thus us when your body is generally in shock at having had to operate 24 hrs with no sleep - you generally need to fart, you get abdo pains, diarrhoea, more pain (well I do) so some time is spent in the loo by everyone having s good old trump during the latter part of shift.

Of course it was immediate 2 fingers up to that piece of nonsense.

pianodoodle Sat 08-Feb-14 11:05:59

When I read the OP I thought you must be in a clock watching call centre which would be grim enough but you aren't and your boss sounds a patronising PITA.

hickorychicken Sat 08-Feb-14 11:06:23

Yy to the useful chat, coffee in the morning between day&night shifts is casual handover, everything gets told over coffee haha grin

perplexedpirate Sat 08-Feb-14 11:08:37

In, computer on, brew up for everyone that's there while it's logging on, drink coffee and start work.
The thought of my morning brew is the only thing that gets me to work some mornings! brew

Gruntfuttock Sat 08-Feb-14 11:21:09

Southeastdweller"Shortly after me and some of my colleagues log in, we go to the canteen or cafe next door to get breakfast."

Your employers are OK with this? I think logging on and getting a coffee in the office, is a totally different thing to what you you and some of your colleagues do.

JupiterGentlefly Sat 08-Feb-14 11:24:29

I used to work in an office and when I went part time I got loads of 'enjoy your days off comments'
Err hard really as I earn 40 percent less than I used to!

JRmumma Sat 08-Feb-14 11:30:41

There was a discussion at my office a while back about what exactly was the start of the working day. Some thought it was the moment they walked into the building, and others thought that it was when you were ready to 'start work'. This was on the back of some people turning up at the last possible minute (work flexi so can get in as late as 10am) and then making drinks and breakfast, eating breakfast, checking bbc news website, laying a game of solitaire, having a chat etc and probably not really working until 10:30.

I personally think that you should be able to count the time it takes your pc to boot up as work time, as i don't see why anyone should have to get in early because of old computers. I also don't see a problem with getting a drink in work time or eating breakfast whilst checking emails/planning your day, OR having a brief social chat with your colleagues. Although sadly some people do take the piss and if a workplace gets too relaxed about this sort of thing then some people do start getting away with too much.

Hulababy Sat 08-Feb-14 11:32:08

Lots of people will log on first as often It takes a Little while for the computer to load up.

I work in school but I always make a cuppa to take to the classroom before lessons. I sign in first with the time of arrival. It means that the school knows I am in the building so at a safety thing to start with.

We often have a chat in the staff room too. My actual start time is 8:30, children come in from 8:40. Even if I arrive at 8:30 I still make a drink. Usually I'm a fair bit earlier anyway.

Follyfoot Sat 08-Feb-14 11:39:40

Am more than happy for my team to make a drink first thing (and as many times a day as they want to tbh). I would expect them to switch on their computer first, but thats about all. If we're having a really frantic day, I insist they all stop to have a breather (in addition to their meal breaks of course). People are much happier, more productive and less likely to leave if they are treated as adults.

hackmum Sat 08-Feb-14 11:42:48

It's a long time since I worked in an office but I find this very odd. We used to have coffee machines where I worked and most people I think used to just go and get a coffee first thing. If you're a "knowledge worker" as it's known these days, you should be judged on your output rather than your input. Someone who sits at their desk 9-6 every day can be less productive than someone who works in a focused way for four or five hours.

I work from home and the first thing I do every morning after dropping DD in school is make a cup of coffee. Then I faff around on Mumsnet for half an hour. smile

There are three of us at work who arrive at 8am. One logs on and gets ready for the phone to ring (we're an IT service desk); one unlocks the yard and server room; one (me) turns on upstairs lights, unloads dishwasher, makes a cafetiere and a cup of tea for me. Brings coffee back down and we're all ready to work. I boot up before heading upstairs. At some point 1 and 2 get changed out of cycling gear while I cover phones. Works for us and seems quite normal.

mercibucket Sat 08-Feb-14 12:16:23

if you are at a senior level dont put up with that kind of crap!

Southeastdweller Sat 08-Feb-14 12:29:51

Grunt Yes, they are, love. I've been doing it for years as do most people where I work. You may be horrified to read this but sometimes mid-morning I even go back to the canteen for my second coffee of the day. My manager also gets his breakfast after he logs in.

CheeseandPickledOnion Sat 08-Feb-14 12:42:39

Depends on what is acceptable in your workplace. We get in at 9, and then all brew the coffee, make our breakfasts and set about work.

Gruntfuttock Sat 08-Feb-14 13:10:20

Southeastdweller thanks for the clarification. I'm typing this very quickly as I can feel that I'm about to pass out through extreme 'horrified-osity-ness'

thud

daisychain01 Sat 08-Feb-14 15:30:53

I wonder if any research study has been done into the correlation between

- degree off pettiness (micromanagement, timing loo and drink breaks, people stopping for a brief friendly water-cooler chat)

And

- productivity levels.

I bet you anything the organisations who are high on the petty nitpicky clockwatchy micromanagement, experience a high incidence of time off, sickness, stress and general lack of loyalty from staff to the organisation.

And those who treat people like human beings, with respect and trust, get far more from those staff, because they love going to work, dont take the piss, and would even put in extra time if needed.

The other thing is "it isn't the hours you put into work, but the work you put into the hours". Some people have a different work rate, they can get stuff done bish, bash, bosh. Counting the minutes from when you physically park your bum on a computer chair, is a pointless exercise over the course of a day, week, month etc and can be misleading. Often it's about perception, someone doing "busy work", flitting around or typing out a shopping list, may llok good, but could actually be contributing bugger all, they may be less productive than someone who has a cup of coffee, a quick hello, then completes their objectives in half the time! All relative.

It isn't rocket science! Why don't they get it??

Hope you get a new job soon, Funnys [coffee] cake enjoy!!!

daisychain01 Sat 08-Feb-14 15:32:08

Oops brew

EnlightenedOwl Sat 08-Feb-14 16:18:01

My contract hours are 9-5 but actual hours are 8.30 whilst 5.30.

So I get in at 8.25 and go off and have a brew before cracking on.

Have to say it would not impress me if anyone wandered in at 9.15 (late) then went off to make a brew etc unless of course there was a good reason for lateness (travel problems etc)

SwedishEdith Sat 08-Feb-14 16:27:01

daisychain01- yes, there has been quite a bit of research about just that. Haven't got any of the research to hand but it's part of 'behavioural economics'. As expected, low-trust models of management get a lack of loyalty from their staff. Micro-management simply results in staff seeking to regain some control in other ways - stealing stationery, not working quite as "hard" as they could etc. It really isn't hard to understand and yet some employers must think the trade off (low morale, high staff turnover and then higher training costs etc ) is worth it? confused High unemployment rates are on their side though sad

Bloodyteenagers Sat 08-Feb-14 17:08:37

We have to be ready by a certain time to start work. there was one pr two that would rock in with seconds to spare, and then piss around in thr staff room - finishing brekkie, slowly taking off coats etc, making calls/texts/checking fb, and then go and make a coffee. so they would come out 15 minutes later.. Management put an end to it becuase others complained about it every week at staff meeting. Once we had started work, we could then have drinks but because of the piss takers, now its only in break times, again because of the complaints..Unless you Are off timetable then you can do as you wish and maangement will even make you coffee's or ask one of the secretaries to do it if they happen to walk past. this really winds the complainers up, but nothing they can do

MothratheMighty Sat 08-Feb-14 17:11:26

I make coffee before doing anything else, but I'm never late anyway so it's usually around 7.40am.

zeezeek Sat 08-Feb-14 18:01:02

I have two workplaces that I divide my week between and the day always starts in the same way: boss (me) gets in, starts computer, makes coffee for myself and whoever is around, has a chat and then checks e-mail. We all wok damned hard and that 30 minutes or so in the morning is important to all of us. I'm also the best coffee maker so they wait for me!!!

slightlyglitterstained Sat 08-Feb-14 18:53:55

Have worked in both the battery hen every-piss-is-timed environment and the sort of environment where wandering over the road for a cooked breakfast is just not considered a problem, because it's assumed and expected you'll get your work done anyway.

In my current environment, "coming in, chatting to colleagues, wandering off to kitchen, chatting to colleagues there, coming back to desk, chatting again" isn't just not inappropriate, it's a critical part of being effective at my job - lots of informal chats here and there to keep communication flowing and stuff on track.

Good luck with finding a new job OP!

grabaspoon Sat 08-Feb-14 18:57:55

I am a nanny [live in] so when I go down to start my day at work my boss makes me a cup of tea and I sit on the couch for 10 minutes blush I do, do actual work after my cup of tea and if there was a drama I would deal with it grin

Ubik1 Sat 08-Feb-14 19:03:49

Swedishedith - that makes sense to me. I went from career where I pretty much organised my own time to call centre work where we have zero control. Everything logged, monitored all the time. They don't even like casual conversation in slow periods. Staff feel very little loyalty. But the attitude us that if you don't like it then you know where you can go - the dole queue.

eurochick Sat 08-Feb-14 19:12:11

Pretty much everyone in my office either brings coffee in or does the log in-make coffee thing. I agree with what daisy and others have said about pettiness and productivity.

FunnysInLaJardin Sat 08-Feb-14 22:23:10

thanks daisy grin The most part of my problem is that for 4 years I have worked for another director of the company who treated me like an adult and let me get on with things. He knew I worked hard and really appreciated me. He has now retired (the git) and left me with the 2 remaining directors who he acknowledged would 'save themselves a fiver even if it cost a tenner in the long run'!. I think I am done with this company, the pettiness will drive me mad I think!

DumSpiroSpero Sat 08-Feb-14 23:15:07

Your bosses would hate my office then - coffee is first priory in the morning, then pretty much ever hour on the hour after that, frequently accompanied by other goodies.

We even occasionally have theme days - including a recent one where all the office staff dressed up in 80s costumes, had a buffet lunch and 80's music on all day.

In a previous job we were based in a Georgian villa with a large front garden (back garden was a car park). We used to save the loyalty vouchers from one of our suppliers and ever summer had a lunch time barbecue. We used to get lots of envy looks from the staff at the office block nearby as they headed past to get their sandwiches from the corner shop while we were tucking into burgers and beergrin !

Have been a bit cheesed off with my job lately but this thread had certainly put it in perspective.

itwillgetbettersoon Sat 08-Feb-14 23:48:46

I stare at a computer screen 7.5 hrs a day. I'm sure H&s says I need to give my eyes a break every x number of hours. I make a coffee or go to the loo. I also need to get up out of my chair as again I'm sure it is really bad health wise to sit done for 7.5 hrs a day without a break.

EBearhug Sat 08-Feb-14 23:54:46

It's meant to be 5 minutes of non-screen work every hour.

And of course we all do that. Ahem.

Dubjackeen Sun 09-Feb-14 00:00:35

Totally agree re how people react to being micro managed. Just out of that situation lately, and now have a normal boss, who actually treats people like adults. People definitely do give extra when they are properly treated, and left to get on with things, and deliver the goods.
I get myself a cuppa when I go in, in the morning, but like others on the thread, it's just a matter of throw a spoon of coffee in a mug, and fill with hot water from a boiler, not a tray set out with the best silver, or anything! No coffee breaks are taken, so I don't think our employer can moan!

PomCuter Sun 09-Feb-14 00:01:30

I'd get crucified if I took a break, made a drink, whatever, during 'work time'. Our work day is micromanaged to such am extent we can see how long we take for each task & break & woe Betide anyone who fails to correctly log their breaks etc. We're also expected to be at our desks at least 5 mins before shift, to start up computers etc & be working & taking calls etc by start of shift.

I'm not saying I like it. But the company culture is to reward people who take least breaks & complete & largest quantity of work with no mistakes.

AskBasil Sun 09-Feb-14 00:03:56

Goodness, I go to the loo as well.

What a shirker. shock

SinisterBuggyMonth Sun 09-Feb-14 00:52:50

My working day

Expected at 9

Arrive at 9.05

Turn on PC

Chat/dissect weekend/bemoan children/flirt with nearest available colleague until 9.20

Read all unopened emails until 9.30

Go make a coffee/tea for anyone thirsty and chat to anyone in the kitchen

9.40 - check workload - go to the loo

9.45 - locate headphones, start up I player and wait for woman's hour to start

10 - start doing some actual work

OP YANBU

pipsy76 Sun 09-Feb-14 08:55:22

It all depends on the culture of where you work I suppose! As it has been negatively commented on its obviously viewed as not acceptable within your workplace sadlyhmm

Certainly couldn't do this where I workconfused

Mia4 Sun 09-Feb-14 10:21:29

Yanbu. We eat breakfast and lunch at wor all while checking emails and ordering things. I don't understand why it would delay you at all. You flip the kettle, it takes 1 minute to boil, pour it in and drink while working.

Is the kettle far away? Or is it in your office and the noise annoys this person? If you are getting in earlier then your start time then I'd be a pita and make my coffee and chill out not working until said start time. If they want to be pedantic so can you.

OhTheDrama Sun 09-Feb-14 10:42:27

I do this too! Log on, make a coffee then come back and check my emails. Never had anything said to me but it is quite laid back where I work.

maddening Sun 09-Feb-14 12:01:02

we all make rounds in our office - sometimes I have one made for me sometimes I do it -it works well and is nice for the team atmosphere

daisychain01 Sun 09-Feb-14 12:59:08

Funnys, I'm glad you have something to compare, between the manager who trusted you (and how very dare he retire!!), how it felt to be respected, versus the "gain a Fiver and lose a Tenner" brigade. I know this day and age its such a tough environment out there its difficult to pick and choose jobs and working conditions, but I guess the only advice I can give FWIW, is keep your antennae up when you go for job interviews, sometimes it can be revealing to observe the people, do they look happy, motivated, and positive.?

It can be a good indicator of whether its a company you will enjoy working in, so you dont jump out of the frying pan into the fire

I had a lovely boss who used to make me a cuppa! Now everyone makes for themselves ( yuk instant powdered rubbish ) I demand Lavazza as a minimum grin

Mosschopz Sun 09-Feb-14 13:27:05

I don't/wouldn't do this as I don't have time to get everything done in the working day as it is. I eat my lunch standing up most of the time too. Living the dream, eh?

susiedaisy Sun 09-Feb-14 13:35:53

I work in a hospital on a ward and you have to arrive before your shift starts to make a drink. shift then starts with a verbal handover you can drink your coffee during that but then it's on the ward and you aren't allowed any food or drink until the nurse in charge says when we can start breaks that's if we get them. You also have to inform another team member when you pop to the toilet so that they know you are off the ward. It's hard to be told when you are allowed to have a break especially as my job is physically hard work. Sometimes I feel like I'm going to pass out where I'm so hungry or tired. Late shifts aren't so bad as you can eat at home before work but an early shift can be tough.

TiredFeet Sun 09-Feb-14 14:15:27

I always start the day at work with a cup of coffee, and sometimes a second breakfast as well. That said I will also use that time to be planning my day ahead/thinking about a difficult case/ gossiping with getting updates from colleagues.

I have a pc and phone in front of me and a kettle sat on top of a fridge begind me. I can nake the brews without leaving my seat.

I tend to get in ten mins early, fill the kettle and get the milk and mugs.

We brew up regularly in my dept. but tend not to go for 'proper breaks'. I have been known to not once leave my office on a shift, even not needing the loo.

starfishmummy Sun 09-Feb-14 15:13:15

I work part time and get enough "comments" about my short hours as it is. As drink have to be taken in the staff room I make sure that, if I have a coffee on arrival it is in my own time.

AdventColander Sun 09-Feb-14 15:14:12

YANBU. I once had my boss say to me, "Haven't you got any work to do? Why are you just sitting there?" While I was waiting for my pc to boot up. Booting up took about 10 minutes in those days. So now I always go and make a drink once I've logged on. It makes be look busy is a more productive use of my time thsn just sitting there. Most of my work is on the pc so its not as if i can do anything else while I'm waiting. Your manager sounds like a control freak OP.

chocolatemademefat Mon 10-Feb-14 00:00:27

Its lovely for all you folk in offices to have your tea and coffee when you get to the office. Not so lovely for your employers who pay you to work and presumably give you a morning tea break. Bet you wouldnt be so laid back about it if you had to go shopping before you went to work and whoever was on the checkout told you to wait at the till while she popped off to make a quick cuppa. Its typical of todays selfish attitudes and workers believing the world owes them a living. You're there to work your allotted hours so get on with it and stop guzzling at your work stations and talking as if its the norm. My arse - maybe if you worked in the caring profession as I do you wouldnt be so used to putting yourself first. So yes - YABVU. Do what youre being paid to do!

LoveSewingBee Mon 10-Feb-14 00:07:15

Your boss sounds like an obsessed micro-manager ... You can't win, I would take a thermos flask for a week or so. See what she has to say to that. If she complains about that as well then she is wholly unreasonable and trying to get rid of you. Time to make a note of every little incident I think.

LoveSewingBee Mon 10-Feb-14 00:10:00

Chocolate - most people I know work far more hours than they are paid for. Most people in offices don't get overtime you know.

What matters for employers is to get the best out of people and this is certainly not the way to do it!

Lighthousekeeping Mon 10-Feb-14 00:15:37

Maybe it depends on the job. I get to work extra early and have a coffee before I start and then wait until my official break for my next one. Seems fair to me.

LCHammer Mon 10-Feb-14 00:21:12

Chocolate - you work in the caring professions, do you? It's definitely hardened you. What's it to you if someone takes 5 min for a coffee and that doesn't affect you? Just because you don't get a break doesn't make it right. It's not a race to the bottom. We're talking about people, not robots. Many surprises that turnover and burnout is so high on some sectors?

EBearhug Mon 10-Feb-14 00:24:05

Its lovely for all you folk in offices to have your tea and coffee when you get to the office. Not so lovely for your employers who pay you to work and presumably give you a morning tea break.

No set breaks. We're expected to be capable of managing our own time, get to meetings on time and so on. I can't remember the last time I worked only the 40 hours a week I'm contracted to work.

ShadowFall Mon 10-Feb-14 01:57:47

Chocolate - we don't have set tea breaks at my office. We get a lunch break, but aside from that, most people are taking their drinks straight back to their desks / into meetings and getting on with their work.

And believe it or not, in some jobs, including mine, it is possible to work effectively at a computer while drinking a cup of tea.

Artandco Mon 10-Feb-14 07:06:54

Chocolate- today I will work 8am-7pm, no set breaks. Therefore if I have a quiet 10 mins I will use for drink/ food/ toilet

DumSpiroSpero Mon 10-Feb-14 07:20:35

Chocolate...

I have worked in offices for 17 years, I haven't, and don't know any other office worker who has ever had an allocated tea break in that time.

I've been lucky that most of the offices I've worked in have been very laid back, but in return those bosses get staff who are happy to 'go the extra mile' when it's needed.

Southeastdweller Mon 10-Feb-14 08:09:43

chocolate Allocated tea breaks never happen in the offices me and my friends have worked in - what industry is your experience in? It can't really be caring, can it?

I'll be thinking about you in half an hour shortly after I log in when I take a leisurely walk to get my breakfast wink.

SirChenjin Mon 10-Feb-14 08:13:14

Yeah, that's exactly it Chocolate - nearly 25 years in the NHS and it's just one long tea break here (interspersed by lunch breaks and trips to the shops).

Trills Mon 10-Feb-14 08:52:49

I don't have an official start time or end time.

So if I arrive and make a coffee, my "start time" can be once I've done that, if you want to clock-watch.

rumbleinthrjungle Mon 10-Feb-14 09:51:20

Chocolate, I've never walked away from the phone or been unavailable during contact hours because I was getting a drink, but yes working in an office IS different to face to face delivery and I've done both. Thinking of the days when I developed a cast iron bladder and kidney infections because I couldn't leave to get to the loo for 5 hours. There are plusses and minuses to every job, and you to the possible extent get to pick what kind of job you want to do.

In both fields, I worked with people who arrived well before their paid start time and often worked past the end of it, and if they made tea for themselves usually made it for anyone else around at the time.

CaptainGrinch Mon 10-Feb-14 10:08:07

Get to work, log on, make brew #1, have cereal whilst checking mail & waiting for PC to finish booting.

Once that's done, it's time for brew #2, quickly followed by morning loo trip while it cools down.

Several more brews & before you know it, it's lunch time!! We're only a few brews away from home time then....

On a serious note, at our place it only takes a couple of minutes to make a brew & it's actually quite nice to talk to people from other departments while you're doing it - often leads to more formal meetings to discuss what was raised.

I should imagine it's different in a call centre type environment, but even then you're meant to have a "screen break" every so often which is the ideal time to put the kettle on...

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 10-Feb-14 20:33:28

oh dear chocolate are you quite OK? FWIW I emailed and asked about this today and got some fudged reply about how it wasn't me and they know I work hard but if other saw it well they might just turn into almighty slackers by following my example. Bollocks it was!

BTW no tea break here and IMO the last time any office worker enjoyed them was in the 1980's when I started work. 10.45 - 11am every day!

stayanotherday Mon 10-Feb-14 21:25:29

I have tea as soon as I arrive, offer to make everybody else tea and drink it while working as we have no tea breaks. We are adults in 2014 not prisoners in the salt mines.

Mushypeasandchipstogo Mon 10-Feb-14 21:44:06

I have a coffee waiting for me when I get in. My boss makes it for me. grin

HuntingforBunting Mon 10-Feb-14 22:54:38

Yanbu! Your boss is an absolute idiot.

Arielle1 Mon 10-Feb-14 23:00:46

No wonder the economy has been in the state it's in. All these people arriving for work and the first thing they do is make coffee as though it's the most natural thing to do....Bizarre.

BrianTheMole Mon 10-Feb-14 23:11:36

I see. So the state of the economy is all about the coffee is it? Righty ho. confused

BiddyPop Mon 10-Feb-14 23:19:03

Fficially o get 15 min break mid morning and 1 hr 15 mins for lunch, no afternoon break.

In reality, I arrive up to an hour early, never take tea break and usually eat lunch at my desk. I will open across to the main office with the kettle to brew a cuppa while I catch up with my staff on issues, sometimes I drink it as we talk or others I bring it back with me to drink as I do my next task. And work an hour extra at night as well.

New rules came in 8 months ago, requiring an extra half hours work a day. For no extra pay. Result? I now actually do less work as I am watching the clock more and taking lunch at least twice a week, and trying to make the effort to leave on time.

BiddyPop Mon 10-Feb-14 23:20:11

I am not a fan of the iPad and it's bloody autocorrect functions!!

Apologies.

BiddyPop Mon 10-Feb-14 23:20:55

Its not it's
Bloody iPad

grumpyoldbat Mon 10-Feb-14 23:21:26

The majority of my colleagues make a cuppa when they arrive. The bosses don't mind as long as we are logged in and working by our start time, it's normal to arrive early. I don't drink hot drinks (personal taste) but I tend to go to the toilet when I arrive. AFAIC before my official start time = my own time and I work more efficiently if I'm not desperate for the toilet. In my defence I'm usually logged in working before my start time.

CosyTeaBags Mon 10-Feb-14 23:24:19

Course it's normal. I would shrivel up and die without my morning cup of tea... hence my username.

Tell your boss to stick it up her arse.

Prozacbear Mon 10-Feb-14 23:36:31

Gosh this thread is ridiculous.

I work at a large multinational, tons of employees, results are everything bla bla bla. Very high standards of work - in fact I'm at home working now (with a bit of mumsnet and wine to ease the pain!)

EVERYONE comes in and makes a cup of tea/coffee which are provided free, alongside free vending machines. We use the microwaves provided to make eggs, keep stuff in the fridges. It's like a dorm, everyone doing cereal etc.

Employers who don't understand the importance of food in a working environment are dullards - if people have breakfast in the office, they come in earlier, have lunch at their desks/near their desks rather than taking a full hour, and are unlikely to leave the office inbetween. As a result, there are no lunchbreaks, people don't take tea breaks, and people come in early and eat breakfast at desk. Kind of sad, really.

I'm under no illusions that my employers' kindness keeps us working longer. But hey, at least my boss doesn't tell me off for making a morning coffee! He/she sounds like a tit.

kslatts Tue 11-Feb-14 00:27:31

I think it is perfectly reasonable to logon and the make a cup of coffee OP, everyone in our office does it. I often logon then get my cereal and eat it at my desk while reading my emails, or go to the canteen and get some toast.

We also use this giantrobot.co.uk/drinks_dash/ to decide who makes the drinks. After a discussion over whose computer to use, who wants to take part and then watching the race it wastes at least 5 minutes of everyones time just to decide who should make the drinks.

ViviDeBeauvoir Tue 11-Feb-14 01:32:29

I'm shocked at some of these responses!
I get up at 6.30am, get myself and 3DC ready for school/nursery, feed them, drop them off and then drive an hour to work.
The first chance I get for a coffee is when I arrive at work and believe you me I'm much more productive afterwards. sometimes I even have toast

The most miserable place I ever worked was somewhere the boss was always on our backs to look productive/no eating/drinking etc. People work much harder and better if their employers treat them as human beings and I work much harder in my current job than I ever did there.

I am confused by the people who say that you are wasting valuable working time by getting yourself a coffee and who then say that you should offer the rest of the office one too. Like asking around, establishing individual requests and then making multiple cups of coffee is so much less time consuming than just making the one.

theplanets Tue 11-Feb-14 02:20:35

I get that the OP works in an office environment but there are jobs where you can't make a hot drink when you start work, like if you work in a supermarket or such-like. I think if you're in the type of job like OPs where there's a chance to get a hot drink whenever you want, that's lucky in itself.

DumSpiroSpero Tue 11-Feb-14 07:07:40

I told my.colleagues about this thread yesterday.
Judging by their reactions I think there would be a mass walk out if our boss attempted to bring in drinks making restrictions!

minibmw2010 Tue 11-Feb-14 07:24:14

I used to work with a lady who would stroll in at 9.30 (start time), would make her breakfast in the kitchen and chat and pop to the loo while all that was going on and would never be ready for her working day until closer to 10. I sat near her and it would really annoy me but when it came to appraisal time she was hauled up on it and seemed genuinely astonished that it wasn't acceptable and complained all over about it. She only got a bit better when it affected her payrise and bonus smile. We were given a lot of flexibility but that was just taking the p*ss!

Trills Tue 11-Feb-14 08:20:07

"The economy" is currently in a state where there are lots of unemployed people and not enough jobs.

Maybe we should all spend a bit MORE time making coffee, then that extra work that we're not doing could make a few more jobs.

<yes I know that's not how it works>

chocolatemademefat Tue 11-Feb-14 08:23:32

Oh dear - all you busy people who dont get proper breaks at work - which is against the law by the way. I work long hours too and dont get paid overtime. If all you coffee guzzlers are doing such great work why are businesses failing day after day while you wander around with your much needed teas and coffees. And in some cases breakfast as well? I'm sick of people who flout the rules and then claim its the norm. Its not and never will be. Maybe if you were running a business you'd feel differently - why have we reached a point where we have to be allowed constant drinks and snacks? Get on with your work and you might not have to do so much unpaid overtime.

KingRollo Tue 11-Feb-14 08:25:23

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grumpyoldbat Tue 11-Feb-14 08:41:31

Really chocolate a lot of people are making these drinks BEFORE their start times because they arrive early. When I my rota requires a 9-5 shift for example I arrive, go to the toilet, get some juice sit down, log on and start between 8:40 and 8:50. I don't see what rules I'm flouting, don't see how I'm wasting my employers time. They use key loggers and other monitoring programs to monitor our productivity. I'm consistently I the top 10 percent within the organisation.

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 09:19:19

chocolate - some links to prove your comments about people making a tea or coffee at work resulting in failing businesses would be great to see - as you're so sure of yourself on this point I assume you can provide us with them?

ViviDeBeauvoir Tue 11-Feb-14 09:20:55

Chocolate - I also have my own business which is run from home and employs at least 6 people at any one time.

Guess what? They all work from home and put in their own hours without me telling them when to eat/go to the toilet/drink coffee and it works perfectly well.

LucyLasticBand Tue 11-Feb-14 09:26:50

a job i started 10 years ago, give or take, the reason I stayed was my line manager said, Priorities, coffee.
i loved her!

i had been in previous jobs where they looked at you strangely when you asked for coffee, but come on, with dcs to get ready you have a full day's work before you get to work. !

LucyLasticBand Tue 11-Feb-14 09:27:49

i do log in before i boil the kettle.

Mishmashfamily Tue 11-Feb-14 09:28:39

The cleaners at work do this and it pisses everyone off.

They are actually only there four hours.

They clock in.....

Make tea and toast - talk about tv he night before
Make a move 15 mins later then are back again a hour and half later for another 15 mins.

They manage to waggle half hour break with out actually beng entitled to one. It's not fair n the other employees who have to start when the clock in.

It causes resentment amongst the other staff.

Don't get me started on people that pop out side for five mins for a fag - 10 tens a day!!! angry

So YABU make your morning coffee in your own time!

LucyLasticBand Tue 11-Feb-14 09:32:05

but i can drink my coffee while i work, at my desk. it is my fuel.

LucyLasticBand Tue 11-Feb-14 09:32:47

who pays the cleaners mishmosh, do you?

ViviDeBeauvoir Tue 11-Feb-14 09:48:58

I don't think the OP is having a half hour break while discussing 'last night's telly' hmm mishmash
She is talking about making a cup of tea/coffee before sitting down to do her day's work.
Not exactly the same thing. hmm

Mishmashfamily Tue 11-Feb-14 10:12:23

No it's not me that pays the cleaners but it's me the other staff complain to.

What wrong with coming in five mins earlier ? Some people do not want to be in work one second early, yet expect employers to let them start five mins later so they can have a nice brew.

It all depends on how relaxed the work place is and the job spec. Some company's have a tea/coffee person that offer drinks while working but some employers expect employees to start work when they should, not stood in the kitchen brewing up while everybody else has started.

That does cause resentment.

Clearly op has been pissing some one off for it to be mentioned.

If I'm taking a meeting and it's scheduled for nine o'clock , everything is prepared before 8.45 . Paperwork, projector, refreshments ....

If I start fannying about insisting I need to make myself a coffee before I can get going, leaving every one waiting,it looks unprofessional and I'm not ready for the day.

But like I said above, it depends on how relaxed the office/work set up is.

BoffinMum Tue 11-Feb-14 10:37:08

In my yoof I worked briefly as a PA for a firm of actuaries who sent round an old fashioned tea-lady with a trolley stuffed full of different types of hot drinks and biscuits. When the partners had birthdays, we also got cakes. If you needed extra coffee in the meantime, there was staff room with more of the same. Newspapers were also free. I loved it so much I considered going back to university to read maths so I could join them. they made a lot of money, and their staff were really loyal.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 11-Feb-14 12:10:00

I want an office job sad

KirstyJC Tue 11-Feb-14 12:16:16

I start work at 8.30 so if I want a coffee I make one early, so that when 8.30 comes I am already sitting down with my coffee.

We are allowed to sort out our own workload, so if we get a spare 5 mins we can make tea/coffee during the day, no problem. We would drink it whilst working. However, the first cuppa is made on your own time, it seems like taking the piss otherwise.

I generally get in first, bring the milk upstairs, unload the dishwasher, boil both kettles and make the coffee for me, and the 5 staff members who work in our section. If I am late, someone else will make the coffee.
If an employee wants a coffee or a glass of water or to go to the toilet or stretch their legs or have a cigarette, they have my blessing, they just go, its not a drama. They all work very hard, come in early or stay late if needed, eat lunch at their desks, I do not need them to be in place from 9-5, as long as the work is getting done, which it is. We are the most productive department grin

Arielle1 Tue 11-Feb-14 17:28:35

Obviously, Brian the Mole, my comment was alluding to the work ethic and attitude displayed by so many on here. No one said having a cup of coffee alone would spell the downfall of the economy. But the attitude displayed by so many is bizarre to me.
I go to work to work. Tea, coffee, breakfast is obviously eaten beforehand.
Imagine if you had an hourly cleaner and s/he turned up for work and stuck the kettle on when they walked in. Had a nice cup of coffee whilst waiting for the iron to heat up and the washing up bowl to fill with water... Or perhaps the nursery teacher could have a nice drink whilst waiting for the children to take their coats off...
Perhaps it's just office workers who have this strange attitude. I don't know.

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 20:07:38

well, I don't have a cleaner but if she worked hard and did the job well, then I certainly wouldn't begrudge her a morning cup of tea before she cracks on - bit mean-spirited. And I love someone to tell everyone in the building trade their not allowed tea on the job!

Obviously not all jobs lend themselves to being able to do this - but they don't to a lot of things. Should I stand up all day because, I don't know, a hairdresser's on her feet all day?

Also, a lot of people don't eat their breakfast before - I think some people really struggle with eating early on. Again, if their workplace lends itself to it, why not have breakfast mid-morning, as long as your productive, what can it matter?

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 20:08:07

they're, not their - tsk.

BrianTheMole Tue 11-Feb-14 20:32:02

I wouldn't have a problem with a cleaner making themselves a coffee whilst they worked. Crikey, why would I? confused. And my ds's nursery teachers do have a cup of tea on the go when I drop off in the morning. They sip it in between taking the coats off. And thats fine too. I've never even thought about it, let alone considered it an issue. And I'm more than happy with the work they do, and ds adores them. Ds has made huge progess since starting nursery. So their habit clearly isn't impacting on their ability to be good nursery teachers.

Bue Tue 11-Feb-14 20:32:57

This is the most bonkers thing I've ever heard. I would not last a day in a workplace where enjoying a coffee/tea was frowned upon. Yes we are there to work, but work can also be enjoyable. God forbid employees should bond over the communal making/fetching of a brew.

Also I cannot eat before work. My body simply isn't capable of holding food very early in the morning. Quite a lot of people are like this.

BerniceBroadside Tue 11-Feb-14 20:34:07

I generally arrive 15 to 30 mins before my official start time. I make tea and eat breakfast during that time. I would not take kindly to someone telling me that I couldn't make tea in my own free & unpaid time.

I also make a drink during the day, should I want one. Usually just the one, as I work bloody hard and don't have time for more. I once had a job where I have two paid tea breaks as well as a whole hour for lunch and you were forced to take them or the senior staff would start muttering darkly about unions. /wistful

LCHammer Tue 11-Feb-14 21:13:59

Some people would do so well in a totalitarian state. Would you begrudge a glass of water? Is it because tea and coffee are... exotic? Incredible.

Mishmashfamily Tue 11-Feb-14 21:32:18

I wouldn't have a problem with a cleaner making themselves a coffee whilst they worked. if that was aimed at my post brian then making a coffee whilst working wasn't an issue .

Clocking in THEN making a brew whilst sitting down and chatting about previous nights tv IS an issue. Why clock in ' before ' making the brew? Because they want it logged they have started work. But they haven't have they? They want management to know they were ready for work ! But really they are in the kitchen making shit coffee. If every one did this, was just milling around, bonding ,what would be a reasonable amount of time before they had to crack on?

Peoples attitudes and behaviours have an impact on other employees. If you work in a relaxed informal environment - cool. But if it's not, farting about in the kitchen is gonna start pissng people .

Oblomov Tue 11-Feb-14 21:38:18

Depends on the job, the atmosphere of your company.
I have never worked at a call centre where they expect you to log on by 9.00 am and 30 seconds late = warning.

My old job was horrible for this.
My current job is lovely. The company buys coffee, tea, milk, squash, cakes, biscuits.

We make tea for each other. We have 'rounds'. I make for the other 6, say once a day. I get 6 cups if tea made/ offered in return. Tis FAB!!

EBearhug Tue 11-Feb-14 22:17:23

If all you coffee guzzlers are doing such great work why are businesses failing day after day while you wander around with your much needed teas and coffees.

Do you have any evidence that it's the companies with coffee guzzlers where businesses are failing

Because we have coffee guzzlers, and yet our annual results have been some of the best for years. I don't think there's a negative correlation between failing businesses and coffee consumption, but if you can show me a report to the contrary, I'll read it.

I probably won't even bother getting dressed before I start work tomorrow morning on an early maintenance. I will have something to drink, though. (And I will get dressed before I drive into the office later in the day. They would rightly object to me being in the office in my pyjamas, even my best ones.)

BrianTheMole Tue 11-Feb-14 23:33:22

I was responding to Arielles post Mishmash. Sorry, I hadn't noticed yours. But in response to your last post, it is entirely possible to drink coffee and carry on working too. Drinking coffee doesn't = sitting down for a chat. Well if it does for some, then no I don't go with that either. Its possible to do a good job whilst having a coffee at the same time. Obviously.

Although when I worked in an office I used to turn my computor on and then go make a drink. Because it took over 10 minutes for the machine to actually get to the log on screen. So I made myself a coffee rather than sitting there waiting. And, I never took took lunch, and did unpaid over time <my choice>. So I was entitled to make my self hot drinks to keep myself going. Now I have my own company and work from home. And I'm happy for my employees to make themselves drinks through the day too. As long as the work is done, then I care little.

ShadowFall Wed 12-Feb-14 00:11:33

I also wonder if the anti-coffee/tea brigade think that making a cup of tea / coffee automatically = brewing cup of tea / coffee, then having a leisurely chat with drink & biscuit and doing nothing at all productive until all the drink has been drunk.

Obviously that would be a problem in most workplaces.

But there's a huge difference between the above scenario and someone who makes a drink in the minimum space of time, and then takes it straight back to their desk and drinks it whilst checking e-mails, reading reports or doing other work.

Rinoachicken Wed 12-Feb-14 00:42:41

Where I work my boss actually banned everyone from eating at their desks (not snacks, but breakfast/lunch etc).

He believed it important that people took the opportunity to take a walk, leave the office or at the very least just eat away from their pc, emails and phone for a bit by eating in the staff room/canteen.

People moaned initially but have since seem the benefit and it's actually increased informal communication in the office as people now chat in the staff room over breakfast/lunch with people in other depts wh they would never have spoken to if they'd just stayed at their desk.

A lot of informal networking and relationship building happens in offices around water/coffee machines. Without it they can become very unpleasant places to work

TiredFeet Wed 12-Feb-14 02:28:51

I think people chuntering on about work ethic possibly don't get the reality of some jobs. I'm not a machine, chuntering out data automatically. My work involves deep thinking at times and that can happen anywhere - eating breakfast at work/in the shower etc. Also might spend five minutes gossiping with a colleague and then when I go back to my work I can think freshly about something. Or we might drink our coffee while I advise them how to handle a tricky file. My manager obviously doesn't mind my work style as I've just got a pay rise. Similarly when I am chatting with colleagues in other departments I am also networking and often tease out issues which need addressing which it hadn't occurred to them to bring to us (in-house legal).

I regularly work late into the night once my son is in bed, so its a bit much to assume anything about someone's work ethic from the timing of when they have a hot drink

EBearhug Wed 12-Feb-14 10:11:09

That's true about thinking anywhere. I'm sure my director lives the mails he gets from me, "While I was in the bath just now, I had this idea..." (To be fair, I don't usually bother mentioning the bath bit.)

Whity74 Wed 12-Feb-14 10:20:33

As long as you get the work done. Why does it matter? If your boss wants you off on the sick with stress in a few years, by all means carry on whipping you and chain you to your desk.

OldDaddy Wed 12-Feb-14 10:36:21

It depends really - I have staff who are supposed to be logged on,plugged in and ready to go at 9am. Some of them get there at 9am are logged on plugged in etc for 9.05 and then disappear off to get breakfast etc for another 15 mins. Am I just an old fart stuck in the belief of getting ready to go to work includes having a breakfast?

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 10:42:26

It depends. When I got a new assistant at work she was due to start work at 9.00am. She arrived at 9.00am. Hung her coat, put her lunch in the fridge, went to the loo, made a drink. She used to start work at 9.10.

I told her what she was doing wasn't acceptible however I was happy to work with her - she could either (a) arrive ten minutes earlier so she started work on time, (b) have 50 minutes for lunch instead of an hour or (c) stay at work until 5.40pm not 5.30pm.

She genuinely couldn't understand why there was a problem

teaandthorazine Wed 12-Feb-14 10:51:17

I guess it does depend on what your job actually is, but as a rule I absolutely loathe this culture of presenteeism that means productivity and usefulness in the workplace depends entirely on the number of hours a day you are glued, unspeaking, to your computer screen. I get that some jobs require a 'constant' presence and, certainly when I worked in the NHS, turning up late for your shift and/or making a cup of coffee when there was urgent work to be done was out of order. It genuinely inconveniences other people/colleagues and that's not acceptable.

However, in my current job, no one suffers if I get into the office and switch the kettle while I wait for my computer to grind into life. We don't lose money (god forbid), no one is inconvenienced at all. As long as my work is completed on time, as long as my students are happy, as long as I pitch up for meetings when I'm needed, as long as I contribute to the department, who gives a shit if I'm drinking coffee while I'm at it?

It's so shortsighted of bosses to demand robots for workers. There is a ton of research to say that people are more productive when they're happy and respected within their work environment. A sense of autonomy is incredibly important for, y'know, sentient adults.

I'm working at home this morning and then will head into the office for a meeting at 2pm. I'll be guzzling coffee, as will everyone else. We will, somehow, believe it or not, still manage to get some work done.

teaandthorazine Wed 12-Feb-14 10:56:30

Wow, fleta. Micromanaging, much?

What impact did this daily loss of 10 whole minutes have on your business?

LCHammer Wed 12-Feb-14 10:58:12

Fleta - they'll love you at work. Mostly when you retire.

CaptainGrinch Wed 12-Feb-14 11:12:50

Fleta - I hope you reimbursed the company for the time you spent looking at your watch & tutting rather than doing any work.

If you've got time to be that pedantic, you obviously don't have enough to do!!

Mishmashfamily Wed 12-Feb-14 11:18:53

There is a ton of research to say that people are more productive when they're happy and respected within their work environment

Spot on but it also applies to expected behaviours through out the entire workforce. For instance if you have a team of thirty people, most are sat by their station by 9 am. Ready to go. Have said their 'hellos' bonded by the coffee machine because they arrived a little early, hung their coat up. Then at bob on 9am one or two people out of the team stroll in, log on the wander off to make their coffee, every day. With out fail.

Two things are going to happen.

1) people that are ready to go, with there pre made coffee are going to get pissed off and resentful. - why should they rush to work when so and so take there time. It's the same for lateness and sickness.

2) people are gonna start copying. If you have 30 odd people not actually starting work till 9.10, the business is actually losing money.

If the bosses want you at your desk a 9am, tough. Make your coffee, breakfast in your own time. How would you feel if the management came over and said 'every day, I want you to stay behind ten mins after everyone else...unpaid'.

You would tell them to jog on!

I have a member of staff who comes into work about 9.15 she drops her dd to school and then gets here. She then takes off her coat, puts her lunch in the fridge, goes to the toilet, makes a coffee and then starts work
She is actually one of the hardest working staff member I have. She will always stay a bit later, work through lunch, come in on her days off if its really busy here.

I don't think she would have the same attitude if I was standing in the doorway every morning saying "right it's 9.16. No, you cannot put your lunch away or have a coffee. You need to start work now. Or if I expected her to make up the 5/10 minutes every day.
The quality and quantity of work she produces every day, and her attitude towards the job more than compensate for those few minutes, believe me.

But then, I am a peculiar manager I think

I don't mind how many breaks people have throughout the day as long as work gets done and when we are all tearing our hair out trying to meet a deadline they don't go "well I am entitled to an hours lunch so I am off"

And funny enough, no one does. They work until its done. And usually after 3 panic days it goes all quiet so I let them go at 3.30pm to make it up to them and as a thank you.

And I always make the first round of coffee grin

And bring cake on Fridays

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 11:23:20

The point was I worked from whenever I needed to. Offices open at 9.00 - given the nature of the work (solicitors) there would be an influx of calls the minute the lines opened - she wasn't at her desk so I would end up answering them - what then is the point of having an assistant?

The pedantry wasn't noticed by me - we had a card in/out system which was flagged to me by higher management - I dealt with it as her line manager.

At the end of the day you accept a contract that states you work x number of hours a day. If every day you're not doing that then the issue is raised.

Conversely we had generous policies on not needing to make up time for doctors appointments, you didn't have to take holidays for appointments etc.

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 11:24:10

The thing is you have a start time, you get there in time. It isn't hard. Its a work ethic.

LCHammer Wed 12-Feb-14 11:24:45

Obviously Fleta can't answer as it would be on company time. She'll come back after 5.30 (plus however long it took to type out the previous post).

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 11:26:52

Obviously LCHammer's joke falls flat as Fleta works part time from home for her own business and is currently having some relax time

Mishmashfamily Wed 12-Feb-14 11:28:04

For all the posters having a go at fleta...

Six days of some one starting work 10 mins late = 1 hour of pay for work that isn't done.
Four hours over the month
Twenty four over the year.

Three days worth of pay for making a morning brew!

Now times that by your entire work force.

Some business can't afford that.

teaandthorazine Wed 12-Feb-14 11:28:44

But fleta, if that was the case then your 'compromise' of 'allowing' her to work ten minutes into her lunch-hour, or ten minutes later at the end of the day, would be pointless, wouldn't it? If the important thing was that she was there at her desk at 9am for the calls to come in?

LCHammer Wed 12-Feb-14 11:30:27

Mishmash - in your model above, the business will probably lose more money with staff turnover and sickness leave. Stress and feeling resentful about being watched like this are likely to lead to that. Unless you're holding up an assbly line, customers on the phone, patients waiting etc.

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 11:31:49

teaandthorazine - I was told I had to request she worked her full quota of hours. Yes, absolutely the time she was most needed was first thing but she was still missing 50 minutes of work a week. 5 lots of 10 minutes a week.

If it was an irregular thing it wouldn't be a problem - but as a regular thing it really takes the piss.

Kaluki Wed 12-Feb-14 11:33:12

I get in, turn on my computer, do a coffee round (usually 5 or 6 of us), have a wee, have a chat ... by then my computer is usually up and running. Its very slow and needs a while to wake up like me.
I have worked for a company that used to restrict coffee making to set breaks only and years ago in the 80s I worked in an office where a lady used to come round with an urn twice a day and give us tea/coffee and biscuits!!!

LCHammer Wed 12-Feb-14 11:33:22

Mishmash - do the sums. Think of all the toilet breaks. How much is that costing the British economy? We're all in this together, dears. Contain yourselves.

Please add up all the pointless meetings too. What are you left with?

SarahBumBarer Wed 12-Feb-14 11:34:33

God - some of you would have heart failure at my job. Never mind making a coffee - last Wednesday we all headed off to Starbucks for a decent coffee, cake and chat at about 11 am. Funnily enough the team are responsible enough to only go along with something like this if they have all their work under control and deadlines will be met. I hate presenteeism. And you can see from some of the attitudes on this thread exectly why the Presenteeist brigade are not the kind of productive, responsible workers you actually want. They clearly do not understand or appreciate that it is output that is important. This is why I will bugger off to Starbucks for a coffee if I feel like it and it is also why when everyone else in my department headed off for a few drinks after Christmas lunch, one of my colleagues and I with reasonably good spirits headed back to our desks to get a report out and why I was perfectly happy to host two conference calls at the begninning of January from my winter holiday in Egypt.

LCHammer Wed 12-Feb-14 11:34:51

I worked somewhere with a tea round too. All very civilised.

teaandthorazine Wed 12-Feb-14 11:38:15

I do get your point - if there is a specific reason to be sitting at one's desk at 9am then, fair enough, you should be there. As I said in my previous post, when I used to work on a labour ward I would absolutely be there 10 mins before to ensure that no one was ever inconvenienced by my lateness. It would have been irresponsible and selfish to do otherwise, and the people that regularly did got short shrift from their colleagues.

However, your first post didn't say why you needed her there bang on time, which is possibly why you're getting a bit of flak!

Anyway, should get back to work wink

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 11:38:15

It all depends on the nature of the work also - some things can be more flexible. Some can't.

Yes my work were incredibly strict over hours worked. They were also incredibly generous in terms of number of holidays, sick pay (paid more than statutory), maternity benefits (again paid WAY more than statutory), paternity benefits, staff bonuses (which were not performance based - everyone got one), time off for appointments, they still paid for emergency childcare rather than enforcing the unpaid leave for dependants and the pension benefits were excellent. AFAIC, that more than makes up for people being required to work their contracted hours.

Fleta Wed 12-Feb-14 11:38:51

teaandthorazine -thank. I was a solcitor though. This isn't flak grin

jennifleurs Wed 12-Feb-14 11:38:56

I work part time shifts in a well known retail establishment and we aren't even allowed to get a drink of water unless it's our allotted 15/30 min break time!

I always get to work early so I have time to sit down, have a cup of tea, fix my hair etc.

Mishmashfamily Wed 12-Feb-14 11:40:14

LCH your wrong. People like to be treated fairly. Nothing causes resentment more than other people getting treated or behaving in a way that's different to other people.

If the way of the office is relaxed, people can come and go, fine. But if it's a sharp start then everyone has to act accordingly.

When you sign your contract it's a legally binding document to say you will start work at said time, if management want you to.

ISeeYouShiverWithAntici Wed 12-Feb-14 11:44:50

Chocolate - i assume you missed the bit where the OP says that she gets to work 10 minutes early. " I arrive 10 mins ahead of my start time"

That's 10 minutes each day that the employer is not paying for. So why did that trigger your rant to her?

Why the hell should she not use those 10 minutes to get a coffee and get herself ready to start at the time she begins to get paid for?

Goldmandra Wed 12-Feb-14 12:06:49

In my twenties I loved my office job, arrived early, worked through lunch, was very conscientious, worked at least an hour more than I was paid every day, etc.

Then they expanded and the ethos of the office changed. I still went over and above but it became expected rather than appreciated and we all started having to sign in. One day I was disciplined because I signed in at 7.58 but my watch was wrong and it was 8.00 and a shit stirring little git grassed me up. When he was then promoted over my head due to his maleness and not his ability, I worked to rule and left as soon as possible. Their loss.

MrsOakenshield Wed 12-Feb-14 18:25:24

gosh, some of you would have hated where I used to work (the industry has changed a lot since) - I would say at least half the staff smoked, so there were a fair amount of fag breaks (and quite often non-smokers would come to, just to get away from their desk for a bit), if suppliers took you out to lunch, it was expect that either you wouldn't come back at all, or you'd come back 3 sheets to the wind, take down your voicemail messages in a drunken scrawl and then head back out to the pub, and that really, everyone knocked off at 4ish (back in the pub) on a Friday.

Salad days.

PedroYoniLikesCrisps Wed 12-Feb-14 21:59:12

I arrive at work, grab a coffee from the cafe and then head to my desk. So it's more my entering the building routine.

Personally I don't think you should start work and immediately take time to get coffee unless you are at your desk before your start time.

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