to think MN should check with the OP before publicising a thread?

(68 Posts)
HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 12:51:23

I know it's their site. I know people can tweet it. But do you think they should check before putting a thread on Facebook?

Just in case there's comeback for the OP?

Scarletohello Fri 07-Feb-14 12:52:02

When did they do that?

Of course they shouldn't. It's a public forum, they own the copyright. We all know this!

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 12:54:14

I know they own the copyright and it's their site. And it's public.

But actively publicising a thread - which could have repercussions?

HoratiaDrelincourt Fri 07-Feb-14 12:55:19

They don't own the copyright - you own what you create.

What they have is an automatic non-exclusive licence which means they can use it however they like without prior notification. That's what we signed up to.

I agree though that it would be nice of them to give an OP a headsup.

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 12:55:45

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daisychain01 Fri 07-Feb-14 12:56:10

I agree, I have often wondered how the threads that are featured on the Discussions of the Day get there - and whether they seek permission first.

I'm not sure on what basis those threads appear ... are they 'most active' on that day, or some other criteria.

Who knows confused

SelectAUserName Fri 07-Feb-14 12:56:38

If the thread could have 'repercussions', it's for the OP to consider whether it is appropriate to post in the first place on a public forum.

HoratiaDrelincourt Fri 07-Feb-14 12:56:49

I would hope they would have the sensitivity not to publicise something sensitive and identifying - most I see are fairly bland "what's in your lunchbox" type threads.

Penis beaker was an obvious error exception.

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 12:56:50

I just think it would be nice to check - we would like to link your thread on FB. Would that be ok?

ThePearShapedToad Fri 07-Feb-14 12:57:20

If there are repercussions from writing on the internet, on a public forum, which can be read by anyone, then maybe the OP shouldn't be writing it... Or make themselves less identifiable

We all tick the terms and conditions when we sign up, we're all grownups, we can't expect MNHQ to hold our hand everytime we cross the road confused

YABU

manicinsomniac Fri 07-Feb-14 12:57:24

I have to say I've never considered that things we post here could end up on facebook - is mumsnet connected to facebook in some way?

I think I need to read the small print!

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 12:57:25

Exactly Select.

What repercussions are we envisaging?

fairylightsatchristmas Fri 07-Feb-14 12:57:37

surely the whole point of a public forum is that it is public. People have got very blase about this kind of thing but if you put some thing on the net it can be there forever for anyone to find, link to or reproduce (as we keep trying to explain to our soon to be in the job market 6th form students at work)

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 12:58:03

Mumsnet has it's own FB page. Stuff off here gets put on there. It's no secret.

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 12:58:39

I think there's a difference between a passive thread on a forum - which people have to find and an actively promoted thread.

whois Fri 07-Feb-14 12:59:21

YABU. It's a public forum.

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 13:00:18

Look at Penis Beaker. That's a good example of what not to post.

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 13:00:33

It's just freaked me out seeing a thread that I started on here suddenly being actively promoted on FB.

wannaBe Fri 07-Feb-14 13:01:24

you should never post anything online that you wouldn't want anyone else to read, on the basis that anyone could already be reading it. mn is not anonymous after all, however much you think it might be.

Anyone could publicise a thread on fb, or twitter, if you don't want your life to be public then... err... don't post it on public internet forums. It's hardly rocket science is it? I'm always a bit hmm at people who seem to think that publishing the intimate details of their lives to mn's million or so members is somehow different to them being posted on facebook...

CrazyOldCatLady Fri 07-Feb-14 13:02:10

It's in the public domain as soon as it's posted. I don't really see what difference it makes if it's on Facebook? You're still as anonymous (or not) as you are here.

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 13:03:04

Was it a deeply personal thread Holly?

i have had threads on MN FB and took it as a compliment. confused

BobPatSamandIgglePiggle Fri 07-Feb-14 13:03:22

If something has repercussions the op shouldn't put it on the internet on a public forum. However if someone posts an obviously identifying thread on fb then they are twats who should be boiled.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Fri 07-Feb-14 13:03:23

Why should MNHQ have to check in with you, or anybody else? You're posting on a public forum and everybody should remember that. A timely reminder perhaps?

I wouldn't find any threads on FB because I can't be bothered to log in but I do post here.

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 13:03:27

I just think there's a difference between just being one of 1000s of threads on Chat and suddenly being actively promoted on FB.

MrsBearWasTired Fri 07-Feb-14 13:04:17

I do think there needs to be a bit of thought before linking. I had an e mail from mnhq publicizing my local site, the thread linked to had the op's mobile number in one post.
Yes, the op shouldn't have put it up there for all to see, but if it wasn't for hq sending me the link I would never have seen it, nor hundreds of others.
I reported the post but the post was still there days later as all hq did was to e mail the op but not delete the post.

That sits very uncomfortably with me and that is just a small group its been promoted to.

AwfulMaureen Fri 07-Feb-14 13:04:54

Holly they'd be checking up all day long...people start threads and then go off to work etc...it's a business and they need to keep their social media very active.

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 13:05:16

Not really - they only put a couple of threads on FB.

wannaBe Fri 07-Feb-14 13:05:22

What thread is it?

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 13:06:12

It's just the maths one. It's interesting - but someone has criticised my tutoring skills.

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 13:06:17

I am confused.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Fri 07-Feb-14 13:06:58

Actively promoted on a medium that not everybody reads. Not everybody reads FB and not everybody that does is interested in MN. Put it in perspective and post in future with the expectation that everything you type will be snatched and promoted across the land...

Imagine having to ask permission from every poster and having to wait for it to be graciously granted... confused

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HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 13:08:04

What's confusing?
MN have designed a graphic for the FB page. That took some time. And then publicised it.
Would have been nice to check if I was comfortable with what they were doing - actively promoting a discussion.

changedirection Fri 07-Feb-14 13:08:34

Erm... No, YABVU!
This is the internet, if you post anything it is there for anyone to see

Its not some sort of confidential advice session

janeyjampot Fri 07-Feb-14 13:09:12

I agree that there's a difference between posting on a forum and having the thread linked to Facebook. I don't think it would be that difficult to ask, either. There's no shortage of possible threads!

I can see that it might cause the OP a problem, especially if it is about their professional life and can be linked by searching for other posts to their private life. Of course I know that can be done anyway, but to promote a thread on Facebook must massively increase its visibility and popularity.

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 13:09:43

But is there a difference between posting and being there for everyone to see and MN saying - look at this, you must read this discussion?

MrsSquirrel Fri 07-Feb-14 13:09:46

Yes Holly maybe it would have been nice. However, when you post you agree to MN's terms and conditions, which include consenting to the publication of your contribution on Mumsnet and to linked Mumsnet sites.

So YABU, I'm afraid.

If you are unhappy with what they have done with your thread, report your OP and ask them to pull it.

wannaBe Fri 07-Feb-14 13:12:11

holly, by signing up to mn you agree for mn to publish what you write, on their website, on social media, in their books, in the press... shall I go on?

As soon as you publish something on a public internet forum you make it publically available to anyone who wants to read it.

More to the point, if any member of mn reading it wants to publish it to their several hundred closest friends on fb/twitter they can do that too. See the little share links at the bottom of the thread???

You have no comeback here I'm afraid. Mn don't owe you anything, you agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed up as a member. If you don't like it then don't post here. It's very simple.

HoratiaDrelincourt Fri 07-Feb-14 13:12:20

I know what you mean - my live labour thread turned up in the Round-up apparently - that there's a difference between "in Active among dozens of others where any MNer might stumble across it" and "on Facebook as one of two promoted threads, where any MNer and all their friends might see it".

Many weirdos people check FB more often, and more closely, than MN Talk. A thread from one of the quieter boards (ie not _Chat or AIBU) would get disproportionate amounts of traffic.

It's different again from being a DOTD or in the roundup email.

It would be kind if MN told us what kind of thread gets on FB. I expect the main criterion is "caught the eye of the staffer on duty" tbh.

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 13:13:10

It may be a topic on The Wright Stuff or in the Daily Mail yet....

TheBeautifulVisit Fri 07-Feb-14 13:13:11

Why do MUmsnet have a Facebook page? What's the point of it exactly?

Mintyy Fri 07-Feb-14 13:13:12

As someone wisely said upthread, a timely reminder for all.

K8Middleton Fri 07-Feb-14 13:13:14

I think you need to self regulate and if you don't want things splashed all over the internet or the papers or tv talk shows don't publicise it on the internet. That includes posting on Mumsnet.

So no, I don't think they should have to check at all.

K8Middleton Fri 07-Feb-14 13:14:18

I have had two posts withdrawn when I thought better of it.

Yama Fri 07-Feb-14 13:15:27

I agree with you Holly. Common decency in my opinion.

Sparklingbrook Fri 07-Feb-14 13:15:31

I have been quoted in the Daily Mail and The Sunday Telegraph Magazine. grin Highbrow topics of Amanda Holden and Tunnocks Teacakes.

mrsjay Fri 07-Feb-14 13:16:58

the wright stuff used a screen shot of a thread the other week i was shock I know all the T n Cs but was still shocked to see it on tv, I think mumsnet should have a get out somewhere or at least give the poster warning that the post is going to be shared so it can be deleted

HoratiaDrelincourt Fri 07-Feb-14 13:18:05

I once got quoted in the Telegraph, typo and all. And the bastards [sic]ed me too.

<hands back pedant badge>

WooWooOwl Fri 07-Feb-14 13:20:04

Yabu. This is the nature of posting on a website, especially one that you know is in the public eye.

MN do check it's ok with you if they link to or publicise one of your threads when you sign up to the site. And it's common sense anyway, mn is a business, not a public service.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Fri 07-Feb-14 13:25:31

To be fair, a lit of people will have signed up to MNbefore FB was around and before MN did anything with it

wannaBe Fri 07-Feb-14 13:33:42

I don't think there's any "to be fair" about it. I've been on mn for nine years, long before fb was around, and it's no more of a public site now than it was then.

I am always fairly careful about what I post here but I was recognised in a shop once based purely on the fact I had posted details which could make me indentifyable (the fact I have a guide dog, a child, and made a recommendation for a school in the area I lived, over the space of about five years) I've never put up pictures of me, or my child, yet I walked into my local Tesco one day and someone said to me "you're wannabe from mn aren't you?" I was shock not because I had anything to worry about, but at how easily you can be recognised and how you actually have no idea who is reading your posts and who might know who you are.

I have recognised people from their mn postings, they have no idea that I know who they are though.

Anyone who thinks they are posting to a select group of individuals when posting on hhere and that their private posts are somehow safe is very naïve, and might I suggest, probably shouldn't be spending too much time online. grin

ISeeYouShiverWithAntici Fri 07-Feb-14 13:36:13

It's a public site. They are very very clear that they do it. Promoting mn is how they grow the business. In addition, the media takes what it likes and talks about it.

People post knowing all this and if we don't like it, then we have to not post anything that we would not be happy to be read by a wider audience. The only way to guarantee your privacy is to ensure it yourself by not posting anything that you don't want 'out there'. Once you press post, you have no control about anything.

It's not how it used to be. A tiny little forum that nobody really knew much about and fewer were interested in. Which is good news for the owners of the site who at least now get paid grin but bad news for anyone who wanted to talk deeply personal stuff and have nobody outside the mn club read it.

Peekingduck Fri 07-Feb-14 13:36:14

Of course they don't need to check, and shouldn't be expected to. grin

BIWI Fri 07-Feb-14 13:39:02

If the thing you posted was going to have repercussions then you should have been very careful about what you posted. It makes no difference if it's on here on the FB page.

TheBeautifulVisit Fri 07-Feb-14 13:45:49

The posts hilighted by Mumnset via Facebook and Twitter are far more likely to be picked up by the papers.

I suspect MN are alive to the possibility that publicity may put the OP in a difficult position and perhaps they are already careful about threads that they advertise.

Penis beaker was initially publicised via Caitlin Moran and then MN started promoting it too as it took off. So it's not just MN and FB that a thread can reach a much wider audience.

MN site gets way more views than their FB page has likes. But they use FB to advertise their brand if you like. I criticised them recently about promoting threads like Sheffield guy and there was a long thread in Site Stuff about what was "on brand" and which threads were appropriate to promote.

I think your thread was considered to be very mumsnet and of the moment. I liked it though didn't see the post criticising you - and I was alerted to it via FB.

I don't think MN should have to check.

But I think that thread had its own issues. I stopped reading at some point because it's incredibly long, but last I saw, it seemed to be basically:

OP: Look at this badly-worded maths question. Children find it hard to interpret.

mathematicians/people with higher maths degrees: Oh, yes, this is ambiguous, but mathematicians enjoy discussing ambiguities.

Many others (without higher maths degrees): OMG you are a terrible person OP, how dare you not know maths has a right and wrong answer, if you claim children don't understand this it must be because you are really stupid too!

I think if I'd OP'd that I would be hopping about it being promoted because it's an example of a thread where people are showing off how unpleasant they can be. I wouldn't expect HQ to have read it all in detail and I'd realize they might have promoted it just from seeing it had lots of responses and an interesting OP.

Why don't you get in touch and ask them to reconsider?

TheBeautifulVisit Fri 07-Feb-14 13:47:42

BIWI - Lots of people are in quite a bad way when they post on Mumsnet and need support. The thought of publicity is probably very far from their minds.

Yes OP - I'm sure if you asked they would delete from FB?

mrsjay Fri 07-Feb-14 13:50:44

I suspect MN are alive to the possibility that publicity may put the OP in a difficult position and perhaps they are already careful about threads that they advertise.

I think you are right about MN but wont stop the papers or the wright stuff having segments about a post, but I guess that is the chance we take

BIWI Fri 07-Feb-14 13:51:06

TheBeautifulVisit - then this is a very timely reminder to people that they are posting on a public forum and that anyone can find their threads.

Even if you post in Off The Beaten Track you can still be found.

changedirection Fri 07-Feb-14 13:56:30

What does publicity have to do with it? It is already out there on the internet. If you don't want anyone to read it, why post it? Get pen and paper and write a secret diary

Belchica Fri 07-Feb-14 14:55:45

I just think there's a difference between just being one of 1000s of threads on Chat and suddenly being actively promoted on FB.

But I don't think anyone knows quite how a thread is going to take off. There is always a risk that no matter how inane your OP is, it could strike a chord and run and run...If you aren't prepared for that to happen, and are concerned about the content of your post, then don't post. Or ask MN to delete if you think it has become too 'high profile'.

I don't think people realise that using the internet is much like open speech...if you say it out loud to a public audience, there is no taking it back. Same thing with public forums, twitter etc....

HollyMiamiFLA Fri 07-Feb-14 15:27:19

It's more to do with being publicly identified. I use MN a lot under some different user names. It's a great way to get support that's lacking in RL. I should have used a different username.

changedirection Fri 07-Feb-14 16:34:04

You are no more identifiable just because a thread is linked to on Facebook though, unless you personally link it to your profile

SelectAUserName Fri 07-Feb-14 16:39:17

I used to post on another very active forum with a lot of traffic and a diverse spread of posters. I joined there in 2001 and a variety of this discussion used to crop up regularly - not with the FB element, because that was still just a twinkle in Zuckerberg's eye back then, but the general discussion of internet security, the illusion of privacy, ten lurkers to every poster etc etc.

I once identified another poster on that site because she happened to post the KC name of her dog and by the purest of coincidences, I had been on a website for an equestrian establishment a couple of days previously (I was toying with the idea of buying another horse and so idly looked at a few horses for sale adverts) and on the "About Us" page of the site was a brief paragraph about a dog with the same, very distinctive, KC name. She was a very private poster on the site and although she had mentioned an interest in horses, she had never discussed running an equine business.

It's not what people like to hear, because there is a tendency to forget that you're not posting in a bubble with a handful of virtual friends, but the only way to guarantee the privacy and security of anything you want to post is not to post it.

Quoteunquote Fri 07-Feb-14 17:16:55

Never write anything on the internet you wouldn't write in meter high letter on a sheet and hang outside your house.

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