to think these people are ghastly snobs(127 Posts)
"Kim Tasso, 53, said: “My daughter goes to a Richmond school, we pay council tax to Richmond council, the police consider us a Richmond address, yet when I put ‘Whitton’ as my address my post arrives two days late, with ‘Whitton’ crossed out by the Post Office and ‘Hounslow’ written in its place."
So why the fuck doesn't she put the correct address on already, so that her post arrives on time.
This is a house for sale on the road in question:
It certainly LOOKS like Hounslow, and apparently the nearest station is Hounslow, so it should be Hounslow.
So why do these ridiculous people think they live in Richmond? They chose to buy a house in Hounslow, and now they want to redefine it as Richmond?
Anyway, if you are looking for relatively affordable housing around that area, then I suggest you follow in these people's footsteps, and buy in TW3, because you will save a fortune. Just don't go trying to pull the drawbridge up after you've moved in, by redefining it as Richmond.
Wow. Seriously you must have no worries to get het up about this. Wish it was me.
It makes me laugh. The houses over the road from me have a different postcode and are £100k more for tiny little 1970s boxes but people are still daft enough to buy them.
So why do these ridiculous people think they live in Richmond?
we pay council tax to Richmond council, the police consider us a Richmond address
There has been a long campaign in Windsor and Maidenhead to change their postcode from SL4 and SL6 (Slough) also!
I just think this is a really funny British trait (I'm Irish). Houses 2 minutes walk down the road from me cost at least �40000 more than my house because my house is ex council. Fine by me, I got a solid spacious house with a huge garden for a really low price because of snobs. Long may it last!
The police don't seem to think it's Richmond. Hounslow South police report:
"We received numerous phone calls and emails from members of the public regarding a brothel that was operating on ARGYLE AVENUE, HOUNSLOW, off WHITTON ROAD. We worked closely with the landlord of the property to remove the occupants and changed the locks and permanently closed the brothel down. The Landlord has also refurbished the property and is in the process of re-letting the property out."
The National Archives, from 1919, refer to a 'Frederick Bateman of 24a Argyle Avenue, Hounslow. Occupation: Boot and Shoe Provider.'
It is and always has been Hounslow.
I can't see what's wrong with Whitton as a designation. I mean, it's a real place. But they do sound like ghastly snobs and the barefaced cheek of actually mentioning that their house prices would go up massively leaves me gobsmacked!
I love the word 'ghastly'
My mother went round with petitions in the early seventies to keep Ellesmere Port out of Merseyside and in Cheshire. It eventually got a Chester postcode...
... and the insurance premiums plummeted. In my opinion, Ellesmere Port is a bit of an armpit in places, just those places are now in Cheshire and cheaper to insure.
Our house was £50000 cheaper because it's on the " wrong side" of a roundabout. Excellent!!
A friend's neighbours in London used to do this, insisting their (bog standard terraced) street was in Chiswick. I know because she got invited to drinks with them and was roundly told off for disagreeing about what neighbourhood they were in. She was so taken aback she told me about it.
I got a black cab there once and asked the driver if this was Chiswick. When he'd stopped roaring with laughter he said 'No, love, Shepherd's Bush'.
All that happens if you do this is you prove yourself to be a snob and a wannabe.
It isn't in the LB of Hounslow is it?
If you read the article they've got a point.
They're paying the higher council tax to Richmond but for some bizarre reason the postcode seems to be used to define who gets to access the Richmond services.
Either the postcode needs to change or the council need to accept that some people with a TW3 postcode are in Richmond and some in Hounslow.
I'm interested in this because my grandparents lived in Whitton and I remember a situation where there was an old people's day centre down the end of their road and they weren't allowed to go there because it was run by the other council, and had to walk a mile to the other daycentre. That was in the 1970s so there do seem to be historic issues in this area....
Bet they grew up with little money - often the case with people like this.
There was a massive thread not too long ago about what defines where you live / where you are from / what is London, all that sort of thing. Twas fascinating.
Some people are convinced it is post code only.
Others swear by historical political boundaries.
Yet others think it is some other nebulous factor, and so on.
I can understand it - it's all there in the article: their insurance premiums are higher, they pay a higher rate of council tax to the borough of Richmond, the potential price of their house is reduced and they can't even use their local tip! That would piss me off royally - to be paying for the privilege of living on one area and not being able to take advantage of the services I was paying for. Why attribute to snobbery that which can adequately be explained by being annoyed that you are paying over the odds for something that you aren't even able to enjoy?
Wow. Seriously you must have no worries to get het up about this. Wish it was me.
I really hate pointless responses like this ^
This happened in Didsbury, Manchester. Everyone wanted to live there so they pushed the boundaries into Withington and renamed it West Didsbury. Loads of apartments were built there so that the young professionals could have the right postcode and the prices went through the roof. When you look back on old maps you can clearly see it was named Withington. Maps printed in the past 5 years show it as Didsbury.
Ghastly snobs.....is that you Margo?
We have similar issues in my provincial city - one area is the "good" area, and that "good area" has expanded massively, at least for Estate Agents, since I've lived here. I guess you're always going to get this.
I love "ghastly snob" . I don't think I've heard that since the 70s.
I usually think this kind of thing is just snobbery but if you pay council tax to Richmond then you must live in Richmond.
We have a postcode related to one London borough, but we live in the next one and pay council tax to and access services from the borough where we actually live. Post code irrelevant.
That is the case for a large area here so it's not as if Richmond are in a unique situation.
Snobbery is when people insist they live in Chiswick when their street is right underneath the word Acton on the A-Z (I'm looking at you, dear colleague...)
This happened in Didsbury, Manchester. Everyone wanted to live there so they pushed the boundaries into Withington and renamed it West Didsbury. Loads of apartments were built there so that the young professionals could have the right postcode and the prices went through the roof
It is ironic that West Didsbury is now seen as more desirable than (East) Didsbury. The "Didsbury" label is now pushing into Burnage, according to some estate agents round here (who I've heard can pronounce it "Burn-arge" in an attempt to poshen it up). Meanwhile, the remaining part of Burn-arge is desperately claiming to be part of a Heaton.
It is snobbery, but Richmond is lovely and Ellesmere Port is indeed an armpit.
If I were in catchment for Richmond schools and was selling my house, I'd sure as hell want it to turn up on searches for Richmond. So estate agents will continue to put the juicy keywords in listings.
I once had a colleague harping on about council estates and tenants. I let her rant on for about five minutes before telling her I was raised on one. Her face was priceless and she tried to back track. Muppet.
I'd like to think I'm not snobbish about this kind of thing but if I had to choose between two addresses and one of them made my house more valuable by £20,000 I think I'd probably want that one. Wouldn't most of us, if we're honest?
Where i was born is inbetween two places and it did cause issues. For example, When i was pregnant with my daughter, I fell down the stairs, I rang the out of hours number on my notes.
They asked what had happened, then asked my adress. I told them my address. They said 'Thats a D postcode. We don't cover the D area. Ring their out of hours.
Rang the other out of hours. No no no, You need to ring N areas out of hours, They cover you, not us.
Now, I'd have thought they'd have been more concerned that a 7 month pregnant woman had fallen down the stairs and knocked herself unconcious, But no. I didn't end up seeing anyone.
If it causes issues like that i can understand it, And i can understand it if they're paying a higher tax rate when they're not classed officially as that area (If that is the case, which i thought it was from the article).
I used to live in Whitton and it was a serious pain in the arse trying to get council services there. Used to drive me nuts as the council just didn't seem to get that we were in Richmond not Hounslow (strangely Hounslow didn't have that problem or one with telling us to go to Richmond). We were renting so house prices weren't an issue, we just wanted the services we were paying for.
I remember the petition to try to keep Ellesmere Port (shit tip that it was in parts) out of Chester. We had the same across Liverpool/Knowsley and Sefton when the bounderies were redrawn for Thatchers purposes.
The insurance rates didn't reflect the post codes that you lived in.
The recent fight to get parts of Bootle seen as Crosby, was snobbery, because as far as Social Care was concerned, the funding/Care came from the same place.
This situation isn't snobbery, you should be able to fully access the services that you pay your Council Tax to and they cannot.
I would hate to have to rely on vastly underperforming Houslow Council, for any sort of Service Provision, it isn't just House Prices that are affected.
They don't have kids at schools in Richmond.
The first lady has a child at Hampton Academy, which is five miles from Richmond, and in a very nondescript part of Hampton (more Hanworth than Hampton) - it's not some posh Thames-side area by any means, like you might picture from 'Hampton' more of a grotty hangover from the thundering A316.
And Richmond schools aren't necessarily wonderful, because a lot of the people living in actual Richmond, as opposed to 'write it on the envelope Richmond', are millionaires and send their kids private.
In fact, Hampton Academy got 'Requires improvement' in its recent Ofsted, and GCSE results are poor - the average Hounslow school would be better.
And it doesn't matter who they pay council tax to. If you live in Chiswick, you pay council tax to the Borough of Hounslow. Your address is '1 X Road, Chiswick, W4'.
You don't write 'Chiswick, London Borough of Hounslow'.
These people live in Argyle Avenue, Hounslow, TW3. That's been the case for 100 years. Richmond doesn't enter into it.
I used to live in Denham, Uxbridge. Uxbridge itself is in the LB of Hillingdon. But we, in Denham, paid council tax to South Bucks Council.
It's just the way it is.
But were you then unable to access the services your council tax was paying for because South Bucks council said 'Sorry, you don't live in South Bucks, your postcode says you don't'?
Postcode/area snobbery is a London hobby.
Estate agents are mostly to blame, by naming parts of areas 'the village' and similar.
My favourites are Streatham being called St. Reatham (although that is mostly tongue in cheek) and Battersea being 'South Chelsea'
I have had the same experiences as Flock, when arranging medical services for my 85 (then) year old Mother.
She lives in Liverpool. Four doors down the area changes to Huyton (the Weelie Bins turn Maroon). It took me two weeks to sort out who to get a Wheelchair from, when she became immobile.
We had to pay privately and she had to wait for other OT services until I threatened to dump her in the council building and phone out the Echo (Local Newspaper).
She attends Clinics in the Royal and Broadgreen, but if we phone an ambulance, she has to be taken to Whiston and be kept in until her notes are transferred.
Then discharged to the Royal. If she wasn't fully immobile we would bypass the ambulance, of course.
The problem is that she is writing 'Whitton' and/or 'Twickenham' on her envelope. However she clearly lives in Hounslow, as per a century of evidence: discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C14100319 Also the fact that the end of their road is only 100 yards from Hounslow train station.
Council tax is lower in Hounslow, so logically they would campaign for their house, which is in Hounslow, to pay council tax to Hounslow.
But they don't want that. Because they are actually worried about their house prices, which were cheaper because they chose to buy in Hounslow, but now they own there, they want to try and eke out some more profit from newcomers.
If they were campaigning to be in LB Hounslow, I would be right behind them.
"It doesn't matter who they pay their Council Tax to"
But it did, when they tried to use a skip.
It must affect other services, such as Employment Inititives (I don't know if these apply) but Children Centers etc.
It does matter in other parts of the country, Liverpool used to get better funding for job clubs/travel expenses.
But Liverpool but last years Slings and other Mobilty Aides from Knowsley (for example).
I don't work in the LA that I live in because it's dire.
One end of the road:
Middle of the road:
From what I can see, the whole street is in Hounslow, but the half that's closest (100 yards!) to Hounslow station pays council tax to Hounslow council , and the half that's further away pays council tax to Richmond.
Basically these people up the Richmond end of the road want a 'Welcome to the Royal Borough of Richmond Upon Thames' sign posted half way down the road. Maybe some sort of wall, or security fence, to keep the Hounslow half at bay.
I don't see why people make such a fuss about this, but according to postcode I live in Solihull and my DCs get to go to Solihull schools but I am 100yrds or so away from houses in Acocks Green, Birmingham which is hmm how can I put this not such a desirable address.
I agree with her actually.
we actually have a road near us that is split in half - posh side Windsor and Maidenhead, and literally the opposite side of the road is Bracknell Forest
Bin day, half have the posh purple bins, and half have the cheap green ones. Purple bin people have more chance of getting in the excellent secondary. It is absurd really.
Does anyone live in Trowbridge?
Isn't there some weird dividing line thing there? Whether you're on the 'right' side or the 'wrong' side of it, and a huge differential in prices? Have heard that a few times but not sure if it's true.
Utterly ridiculous. And snobby.
Postcodes do not have the same boundaries as boroughs, and neither do named areas follow the postcode OR borough boundaries.
For example, Brixton has 3 postcodes: SW9, SW2 and SE24. Possibly bits of SW8 and SE11 and SE5, depending on how far you understand the boundary of what is colloquially understood to be 'Brixton'.
The area known as 'Herne Hill' has one postcode but spans the boundaries of 2 boroughs.
I don't believe the story that they are not allowed access to Richmond schools because their area is not the same postcode - either they simply live too far away ..or it is a Free School which is somehow allowed to specify postcode...in which that is a disgrace in itself, IMO. But community schools cannot discriminate against people living on other boroughs.
I don't understand why this has suddenly become an issue - surely they knew all this when they bought their houses
I take it you live in Richmond OP
It's you that is coming across as a ghastly snob tbh
Obviously Richmond Council should sort out their system to ensure that their borough constituents get recognised on the system when they try and use the tip.. They are the ones in the wrong.
But funnily enough, that is not the solution the residents are demanding.
My (evil) step mother is like this about where she lives. She lives in new addington, Croydon. No doubt about it. But she gets annoyed if I send a card to my dad with that on the envelope and wants me to write "Addington village".
I always write new Addington.
I love it
It's horribly snobby to differentiate - the borough of Hounslow has 'posh' houses, the borough of Richmond has 'rough' areas.
Boroughs are administrative and local gvt areas, and provide services to their residents. The Royal Mail designated postcodes without reference to borough boundaries. They are trying to claim a logic where there is none.
I don't live in Richmond, some way away actually.
sparechange my favourite is 'Blackheath Borders' for Woolwich
Solve the problems, change Hounslow to Hound's sloe and the house prices will rocket.
Ghastly snob is right up there with crashing bore as a truly great insult.
When I lived just on Harlesden outskirts I paid CT to Ealing.
Didn't mean I lived in Ealing.
Now I live 9miles from the town I pay ct to. Doesn't mean I live in Fleet either.
The snobbery here in Didsbury's ridiculous. People who live in Didsbury Village look down on people in West Didsbury (still Withington) and as for East Didsbury, forget it! I have friends who live in Burnage and Northenden who say they live in Didsbury too.
Having said that, I lived on the border of Hammersmith and Fulham when I lived in London and was young and stupid. My address was Hammersmith but I upgraded myself to Fulham.
I have this where i live.
We are classed as being in one county but have a postcode for another. The only thing that it affects is delivery prices, we get charged more because of our postcode.
There is a Poets Corner in Brixton a few roads named after english poets
i know a few who like to leave Brixton out of their address
its a conservation area lovely houses
Freudian - More fool them - Brixton house prices are rising faster than the speed of light!
The residents of Spinney Lane, in leafy harbourside Itchenor, West Sussex all have a Portsmouth postcode.
< titter >
as do those residing in the gated haven of Bosham Hoe.
Must be dreadful for them.
its a bit like admitting you were brought up in Southall, joke Greenford Borders or Norwood Green. not that I was or Sunbury when it is Feltham.
railway tracks sometimes define areas and how they are percived in my area. the North side is deemed posher than the south side and a major road runs through the midddle of the borough,
I have a friend in the Stockport area who gets very touchy about Cheshire/Greater Manchester.
She takes it REALLY BADLY when I snigger.....
And it prevails in the South West too; some of the dicks who insist that they live in Chilling Sodbury rather than Yate do my head in. I alternate between wanting to slap them and openly laugh in their faces.
Years ago, I rented a little place in what the estate agent had insisted was West Hampstead, but which was soon exposed as Kilburn.
This takes me back! When I had my DD we lived in Teddington so my antenatal group were split between people who went to Kingston hospital in the borough og Kingston upon Thames, and those that went to the West Middlesex which I think is the borough of Hounslow. Both hospitals good but different. There was one mum who was sure she made the best decisions and was very vocal in telling me why Kingston was NOT the best choice. Actually I chose it as it was closer to work and I was still working full time 7 days before I was due so could well have needed it!
Anyway, all babies arrived safe and sound. Lovely! Apart from the fact that when she went to register her babies birth she was HORRIFIED to discover that the London borough of birth went on the certificate and she was adamant that the word Hounslow on her DS's certificate would hold him back in the future and people would think they lived there! She apparently had a standup argument with the registrar in Richmond trying to persuade him not to include this fact. She even wrote to the hospital to say they should warn mothers that Hounslow would appear on the BC! Total loon!
There is nothing wrong with Hounslow as an address but I have to admit this did make me chuckle!
I had a look on the map and Whitton looks to me to be clearly in Hounslow. I think they should petition to have it change to hounslow, would have a better chance and then would also have access to council services etc. It seems very strange to be paying higher tax to Richmond.
I don't blame them for trying as it increase their house prices. But I do think a decision has to be made to clarify things and I think the obvious solution is one the residents won't like. But at least they will save money on council tax.
There was a dispute near me a few years ago when the council replaced a 'Surbiton' street sign with one saying 'Tolworth'. Nothing else changed - still Kingston Upon Thames borough street signs, same postcodes, same council tax, everything. Just the locality name changed.
Oh, the outrage. It went on for months. I think the council finally gave in, I assume for an easy life and because it didn't actually matter.
It's not always a snobbery issue. I live in Richmond borough, but far closer to Hounslow. I go to Isleworth children's centers and pay double what others pay, I can't get to the Richmond one in Ham, would be well over a hour walk. I'd love to move to Isleworth and pay less ct!
Oh and were I live was one of those ares that changed it did use to be in Hounslow borough but changed and I'm told prices skyrocketed. I pay over £1000 a month for my one bed, equivalent in Isleworth would save me £100 a month but there wasn't any when I last moved due to emergency.
West Didsbury is NOT seen as more desirable than East Didsbury (East Didsbury covers the actual village as well as real, proper east dids). West Dids is seen as more trendy and beardy, but more desirable in terms of house prices? No.
Sharaluck, the issue is they don't actually even live in Whitton.
They live just north of Whitton, in Hounslow, on a road running directly up to Hounslow train station.
Wikipedia claims that Whitton has a historical association with Twickenham, which might be correct, but the roads in question in the article have always been in Hounslow.
Is the map in your first link incorrect?
I've just spent a weird amount of time doing odd thing on google maps locking my screen rotation and flicking between pages.
It looks like a very small bit of that avenue is in Richmond, if it is then why shouldn't they say it is.
They could amuse themselves for days finding the point in the street where it changes and jumping from one to the other pretending they had a tardis.
I was going to say the Merseyside/Cheshire and Wirral/Liverpool debate.
I have friends that are most insistent they do NOT live in Liverpool but live in Wirral
they clearly live in Liverpool
I used to work with a woman who was the living incarnation of Hyacinth Bucket, and she lived in Hounslow but told everyone she lived in Twickenham.
Oh how we used to laugh.
(I know for a fact that she lived in Hounslow because I was in HR and had her address.)
Have to say that this : I just think this is a really funny British trait isn't strictly true.
In 1985, Dublin 6 was divided, with some areas, such as Templeogue, Kimmage and Terenure becoming part of a new district in order to facilitate processing of mail by a new delivery office for those areas. Residents of some areas objected to the assignation of the next available number, "Dublin 26," for the new postal district, citing property devaluation: the higher numbered districts typically represented less affluent and less central areas. An Post ultimately relented, and the district became known as Dublin 6W
Ireland has it's snobs too (I can say that as someone from one of the very high numbered districts)
I once got a summer hob in Richmond. Turned out to be Hounslow but I was still impressed. There are some nice houses in Hounslow.
This sort of thing amuses me too. I was once asked someone where she lived and she replied 'On the Fulham Chelsea borders'.
So, Fulham then.
Another person I knew through work also insists she lives in Wimbledon. No, it is Southfields dear.
I pay council tax to Wiltshire, my postal address is Dorset and I'm registered with a GP in Somerset. The joys of living on a boundary between three counties!
I used to live in Burn-Arge
Now I live in south Trafford, but when my DM visits she insists on phoning all her friends, putting on a weirdly posh voice as she "casually" mentions that she's "visiting my daughter and the grandkids in Cheshiiiire"
I'm similar to you Lady
Council Tax is Hampshire
Post Code is wiltshire
Drs is in Dorset
Dh is laughing at this thread.
He works for hounslow council. He says most people who he deals with won't admit they live in Hounslow, it's always Whitton or Twickwnham. His job deals with money depended t on how far thier children live from school and these disputes make everything drag out for months as they go mental if you say they live in Hounslow.
Fwiw, I was born in Hounslow, it's not the nicest place in the world, so I can see why people do it. I now live in Chiswick, and the amount of people who say they also live in Chiswick but actually live in acton or Shepards bush is astounding
I have lived such a sheltered existence, never knew this went on! Sounds exhausting.
There was a woman on Location location location once who was obsessed with the postcode she wanted to have. I have a vague memory of her looking out the window of this GORGEOUS and huge house and commenting to her husband 'But it is not the right postcode'. I think the right postcode was the next street or something. I found it a bit baffling. (But then again, I live in a lovely place that I am proud of, so maybe I would feel differently somewhere else).
I remember the kerfuffle over the 0171 and 0181 number areas.
my mother used to pretend we lived in werneth, not coppice.
Then when we moved into werneth proper, she would pretend it was chadderton
(Bit like arguing over hulme and moss side, chelmesley wood and castle bromwich)
I know lots of people 'living' in Moseley with B12 postcodes.
I live in the Richmond boarders.
Some people like to call it Dorset?
lady we are the same.
2miles down the road is Wiltshire.
We live in Dorset.
Sometimes we shop ( 3 miles away) in Somerset!
They have a point, but mentioning houseprices are not helping them.
I am London. When I ring my council about anything at all they ask for my postcode. The letters of my postcode are the expected ones for the borough I live in so that's all fine. If by some quirk I had a postcode that didn't seem to belong to my borough, I can imagine it would be a massive pain for everything from school applications to rubbish collections.
An element of snobbery will come into it for this couple as one area is more desirable but if it causes practical problems then I can see why they're not happy.
I effectively live in one place but I always say I live in the other as that is what is on my postal address and my phone n.o. is for that area too. it is a slightly posher area and that was where it was described as being by the estate agent when we bought the house.
I do understand about Hounslow as it isn't fantastic. I used to shop there 20 years' ago and it was ok then. Richmond does sound so much nicer or Twickenham.
There are so many areas like that where I live.
Hayes is another one I should think.
But where she lives is where she lives, it will be no more or less fantastic whether she calls it Whitton or Hounslow. Surely one street of inter-war semis is pretty much like any other. While Richmond is much nicer than Hounslow, only one small part of Richmond borough is actually Richmond - and Argyle Avenue aint it.
If the Post Office asks you to address your post in a certain way, that is what you do or you take the consequence of having your mail arrive late. I doubt if Richmond Council has any problem knowing which roads, or parts of roads, are within their boundary as they have to collect the Council Tax and maintain the electoral roll.
I remember the kerfuffle over the 0171 and 0181 number areas.
I think that was slightly diffferent. I know my friend in Clapham was slightly miffed that she had to dial 0181 to ring her daughter in the top floor flat of the same house!
I say I live in Richmond quite often (I don't, really) but only because if I tell people I live in North Sheen they have literally no idea where I mean unless they're local.
Why not just say 'near Richmond' then?
Because then you have a stupid conversation that goes 'oh, where?' and you say 'North Sheen' and they say 'never heard of it' and then refer to the place where you live as Richmond anyway.
I knew about North Sheen, and I live Oop North!
In fairness, I've only heard of it because my grandad lived there, and now my sister does. We used to play on Barnes Common when we were young.
I live on the Edinburgh city centre /Leith hinterland and I am genuinely unsure which area it falls in.
I really couldn't give a fuck what it is described as, it doesn't physically transfrom the environment I live in. By describing it as Edinburgh doesn't magically turn it into a New Town Des Res nor does describing it as Leith turn it into a shooting gallery with junkies lying on piss stained mattresses at the bottom of our stair.
It is a small flat in a scruffy inner city suburb whatever you call it.
A post code is not an indication of what county/council a house is in. It is a device for sorting & delivering mail.
I think this is why I love being English, house prices dictated by a code to help deliver the mail.
It's the same as these houses described as being on x/y border. If x is a more expensive area than y then obviously the house is in y. People live where they live. If they want to kid themselves they don't let them get on with it.
When DH and I bought our first house it was right on the border between Chislehurst and Mottingham. But it was most definitely in Chislehurst. By literally about 4 houses. We were so proud.
AngelaDavies - Chiswick is a nightmare for this. I have friends who live on Emlyn Road, they told me when they first moved in and post would come to shepherds bush, they would cross it out and re-post it marked chiswick
Or the hilarious new term 'Chiswick borders'. Which is a fancy way of saying Acton
used to get this a lot in parts of Peckham, people claiming they lived in East Dulwich when they patently didn't. Now Peckham's oh-so-cool that seems to have stopped .
Always make me laugh when people say they live in Clapham Junction. Homeless, are you, dossing down in the station? No? Then you live in Battersea.
exactly Mrs Koala a bit like the Greenford borders of Southall or West Ealing when it was Hanwell.
Well the thing about Clapham Junction Station is that it isn't actually in Clapham, whereas Clapham Station is (hiding somewhere round the back of Clapham High Street).
A taxi driver once told me when he'd picked me up in Acton, that he picked up a young lady in the morning from the same block of flats. He was driving her to the station as she hurriedly was getting dressed and doing her make up, and she looked out of the window at the high st and said a bit disgustedly 'SO this is Chiswick then!? Don't think much of it' and he had laughed and said no this is Acton. Apparently she looked outraged and really cross and said 'He said he lived in Chiswick, i never would have gone home with him if he'd said he lived in Acton!' and hurrumphed to herself that she'd been 'conned'.
I don't know who the bigger snob was, the guy who lied or her for being so swayed by a post code. Always makes me laugh tho. I hope it was true
"There are some nice houses in Hounslow."
I would be interested. Don't know the area very well. Whereabouts should I be looking.
Definitely up for a nice house for cheap because of the 'wrong' postcode.
MrsOakenshield, Battersea is quite a 'good' area though. Clapham Junction is a grotty (albeit useful) train station. It's not snobbery I think in that case.
If someone told me they lived in 'Clapham Junction' I would assume they were referring to the Winstanley Estate, which is a large and crime-ridden council estate.
This all reminds me of when the council tax bandings were introduced.
My mum worked for the local council and told us that people were calling in to complain that their property had been put in a lower banding and they wanted it reviewed as they were sure they should be in a higher one.
Wanting the local council to sort out their computer systems is fair enough.
Wanting Royal Mail to change your postcode isn't, as postcodes are organised around the practicalities of effective mail distribution. (Especially as when RM does change the postcode, people continue using the old ones for the next twenty years.) They are not directly related to geographical boundaries and never have been. There are parts of Oxfordshire with a Swindon (SN) postcode, presumably either because Swindon is the nearest post town, or because it would have overloaded Oxford to include them as Oxford.
I suggest the set of whingers go and work in a sorting office for Royal Mail for a few weeks.
no, it's not snobbery (unless you want people to think you live in Clapham rather than Battersea), it's just laziness. I lived on Falcon Road, round the back of the station and people were always saying I lived in Clapham Junction, drove me nuts.
(Also, there's no such station as Clapham Station, there's CJ, Clapham High Street, Clapham North, Clapham Common and Clapham South. Yes, I am a total station pedant, I hold my head up high.)
It's years since I was there, so perhaps I am mis-remembering but I'm sure it used to be called plain old 'Clapham' rather than Clapham High Street.
Hounslow is quite a cool place to live in many ways, provided you are not a ghastly snob. There are some really good schools, the local Asian grocers have a genuinely wonderful selection of fruit and other stuff (I always go there rather than Southall for exotic fruit, veg and Indian bread at knock down prices). And frankly, Richmond high street is a joke these days, full of overpriced crap that nobody in their right minds would buy. Parts of Isleworth are gorgeous (although half of it now seems to be described as St Margarets borders by estate agents).
And for further London discussion - What about St Ockwell, Pimlico Village, Battersea Park to designate vs Clapham Junction, Kew Bridge vs Brentford etc etc ?!
Given the traffic on this thread is from Londoners (and their south east brethren) is it safe to say that this type of address snobbery is disproportionately likely to happen in the S.East. Maybe due to the housing bubble down there?
I have never really heard of this being so widespread anywhere else or anyone trying to re designate one area as another or tack it onto a more fashionable one.
I always describe where i live/am going as the nearest station (so Turnham Green/Ravenscourt park etc rather than Chiswick/Hammersmith) - as do all other Londoners i know. So i describe my parents as living in Kew Bridge/Gunnersbury when they technically live in Brentford. It's got nothing to do with snobbery and everything to do with geography. If i'm meeting friends for a drink and i said i was staying in Brentford, they may suggest a pub on Brentford Hgh st, rather than the much nearer Kew Bridge. Stations pin point where you will be, rather than a rather large generic place name. 'Brentford' would cover Syon Lane, South Ealing, Kew Bridge, Brentford, Acton Town and Gunnersbury,
oh and Northfields and Boston Manor.
There's plenty of Mancunian address snobbery mentioned too. I'd say it's disproportionately an urban issue, as there'll be more "borders" for people to live on.
There's snobbery everywhere. ExH's family were snobbish about living in Heswall, compared to Little Neston and, god forbid, Ellesmere port.
I live in a 'London Borough', London telephone number, but its in Essex, with an Essex postcode. Confuses the shit out of people. I describe it as either in London, or in Essex, depending on the situation. Neither bothers me, but some people are adamant its one or the other depending on which brand of snobbery they subscribe to.
I have a couple of examples of this, one London, one Northern.
We lived in Clapham for a few years after uni (much like 93.5% of graduates and Aussies). Or at least we always thought we did. We were Clapham North, about five mins from the tube so it seemed likely. Except when we were burgled the Police laughed at us and said burglaries were rife in this part of Brixton. I would not have been paying £1.5k a month rent for Brixton if I'd known better!
I grew up in a pit village, in Derbyshire. School run by Derbyshire Council, tax paid to Derbyshire Council, MP a certain Beast of Bolsover. Our postal address was Nottinghamshire, but with a Sheffield postcode. Admittedly the village bordered each of the counties but it made things complicated trying to explain to a non-local where I was from.
My first instinct was snobbery but then I thought about it. I've been barred from applying for jobs due solely to my postcode (meaning I'm not the right sort of person). I now get why postcode matters. Mind you this doesn't seem to be what is concerning the person in the article.
I think Kew Bridge is fine as a way of narrowing down where you actually mean. Brentford is huge, really. Kew Bridge is really quite some way from other parts of Brentford. And I agree with the station thing - I do that, too.
Edinburgh is full of this too. I've watched with amazement as Barnton (a naice suburb, JK Rowling lives there) has grown over the past 20years...
Although I have a degree of sympathy Both my flat and my parents house seem to sit in no mans land between 2 areas (in both cases either would be perceived to be a "good" address). however whicever you pick someone always takes issue as they perceive it to be the other!
Really lurker I've never come across it apart from an acquaintance of mine who moved to Granton and told all and sundry that Granton was 'up and coming' as it was on the seller's bumph, not realising that 'up and coming' was guff speak for a shitehole. She's still waiting for the coffee bars, patisserie and vintage shops to hit her street.
Well I guess I live in the wrong area of Easter Rd/Leith for it to be an issue, as neither has much snob appeal.
I don't think she should have to pay the rates of Richmond if her house is considered Whitton. That doesn't seem right.
Why not; Whitton is part of Richmond borough? Whitton does not exist as an LA in its own right.
There is no reason at all in fact why Richmond should have higher rates. The rates don't fund the leafy parks (they are royal parks I think) and poncey restaurants (privately owned).
It's just how things are, perhaps Richmond gets less money from central government, or perhaps they waste more money.
Anyway, the issue is, fundamentally, these people live between Hounslow (which is quite a major, if undesirable, town), and Whitton (which is a dull suburb next to Hounslow), on roads that have historically always been a part of Hounslow. So they don't live in Whitton, they live in Hounslow.
There's nothing to stop them doing most of their day-to-day business in Whitton rather than Hounslow, any more than you could stop someone who lives in Dalston shopping in Islington. But none of that will turn Dalston into Islington, or Hounslow into Whitton.
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