To think Edwina Currie should do a few stints in a Food Bank...

(80 Posts)
Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 10:04:01

...to realise how ignorant her comments are? Just been reading the Morning Paper in which she is quoted to say Food Banks are the reason shops are closing hmm. I can't link as using the phone to MN. At one it says "The ex-MP said many who rely on Food Banks are 'not poor' and have 'substantial benefits' to live on". I'm a volunteer for the Trussell Trust. To say this comment stinks of ignorance would be an understatement.

Damnautocorrect Wed 29-Jan-14 10:11:01

I love the fact she doesn't realise the foods been bought in the first place

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 10:14:03

I volunteer too, and frankly her twitter stuff last week just gave me the red mist. The ignorance is mind blowing. Though I'm not sure I'd be happy to have her do a few shifts at my food bank - we're trained not to judge, and I'm quite sure she'd feel no need to rein it in...

newyearhere Wed 29-Jan-14 10:16:13

YANBU

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 10:19:24

Im just asastounded by the level of ignorance. We have to sign confidentiality clauses when we sign up (for obvious reasons). So they then assume they must be loads of crackheads etc that use it when really is something as simple as social services helping a Foster Mum out who's had to take an emergency case in for example. She was defending herself on Twitter replying to one comment "have you been inside the houses of people that use them. I have. Its quite clear they make poor choices". shock. She should go inside a Food Bank and see that being made to rely on one is anything but choice. They're actually very hard to be referred to aswell. Its not a case of simply strolling in. Which they would be well aware of but then I guess that doesnt make good news sad

Quinteszilla Wed 29-Jan-14 10:19:32

Oh, yes. yes yes. She is something.

She pulled the "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM" on a flight, after having complaining about the lack of business class, and my mate (steward) responded "Yes, you are that bird that shagged John Major" and left her with her jaw in the aisle.

bleedingheart Wed 29-Jan-14 10:20:02

YANBU

This woman really gets on my thr'pennys.

She knows what closes down businesses is lack of money in the pockets of customers or, that great Tory dream, competition! Oh and people claiming eggs contain salmonella....

bleedingheart Wed 29-Jan-14 10:20:28

Quinteszilla your mate sounds great!

love the fact she doesn't realise the foods been bought in the first place

Bloody good point

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 10:21:45

Indeed KayHarker I'm just aghast that there seems to be no level to which the Right won't stoop. She would have to rein it in in mine. The Manager silenced an Edwina type a few weeks ago. grin.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 10:23:04

Haha! That's made me chuckle Quinteszilla

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 10:24:46

So, you make 'poor choices', your children starve, is that it? Oh the compassion of a conservative...

bleedingheart Wed 29-Jan-14 10:26:56

[[ Currie's views seem so out of touch http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/edwina-currie-foodbank-comments-spark-6595171]]

bleedingheart Wed 29-Jan-14 10:27:12
Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 10:31:33

Yes I think she's going along the same lines of what most ignorant people people think. That everyone on Benefits smokes and drinks. Which is ignorant altogether. What about those Part time workers or ones who have had their full time employment changed to zero hours contracts and had to rely on food banks too. Wonder if they smoke and drink too? Would she say they made poor choices? Or by poor choices does she just mean they chose to shop at Tesco instead of Lidl and they wonder why their money didn't stretch far enough.

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 10:34:48

It's the 'deserving poor' crap all over again. You'd have hoped we might have moved on from Victorian values.

Melonbreath Wed 29-Jan-14 10:34:48

Silly bitch. I'm now following her on twitter in order to ridicule

napoleonsnose Wed 29-Jan-14 10:35:53

Just read the article on The Spectator website and she has seriously pissed me off now. No evidence whatsoever to back up her ill-informed clap trap, just subjective right-wing rhetoric. Same old, same old - sadly though, many believe this shite.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/01/food-banks-arent-solving-problems-they-can-make-things-worse-too/#disqus_thread

SomethingOnce Wed 29-Jan-14 10:36:51

Wasn't it dear old Edwina who, back in the 80's, advised pensioners in fuel poverty to knit themselves woollies to keep warm?

pointythings Wed 29-Jan-14 11:03:11

Making her do a stint in a food bank would be pointless - none so blind as those who will not see and all that. She would just harangue your poor clients about their poor choices and fecklessness and make them feel even worse.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 12:12:10

pointythings I don't think my Manager would let the clients have to suffer Edwina Interaction be exposed to her. Although I do think it would be worth wondering that if she had to sit next to some body with a baby on their knee who has just fled miles away to escape their abusive partner with tears in their eyes and wonder how things have got this bad. If she would still hold the same opinion and be more compassionate. She was actually one of the very few Tories I tolerated but she's blown it with that last comment.

HenriettaMaria Wed 29-Jan-14 12:16:12

Wasn't it dear old Edwina who, back in the 80's, advised pensioners in fuel poverty to knit themselves woollies to keep warm?

Indeed it was. She doesn't change, does she?

OhBuggerandArse Wed 29-Jan-14 12:18:01

LOVING the 'You're the bird that shagged John Major' story.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 12:49:11

OhbuggerandArse to be fair that's all most know her for. *That and something to do with eggs smile and stupid Twitter comments as above wink.

wetaugust Wed 29-Jan-14 12:56:03

Edwina is regularly on Radio 5 in late night/early morning discussions.

She recently sad she had actually visited food banks on a number of occassions.

Just wanted to clear that up as the OP didn't seem to thing she'd visited one.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 13:29:16

wetaugust I don't believe she has. Did she say this on the Radio or in an article. The only thing I have seen her say is that she had visited their Homes. Indeed I may be wrong but if she has. I will take her visiting them literally. As in breeze in and out of there for a quick photo call. (Bit like Hunt does with NHS visits). She couldn't possibly have spent a full day with them. Getting the real side of them. The Spectator article alone has inconsistencies where she talks of people rocking up for want of a better word. If she had been in a food bank. She will know this simply isn't the case. To be referred to a Food Bank. You have to be referred by either a Doctor, a Social Worker or a School Welfare Officer. On occasion in some areas your local Church Minister can also refer if they work in conjunction with the Food Banks. You are only given 3 days worth of food. Imagine having no choice but to go to one of these Professionals and begging them to fill in an application form to give you a voucher to get food to last you the three days. If she has REALLY visited Food Banks that often and spent more than 10-20minutes in one she wouldnt make flippant comments such as most of them have Satellite tv in the article would she? Then again I'm a bit cynical like that smile

Ubik1 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:33:33

That John Major thing was really disturbing...the images...the...bleurgh

And poor Norma had to put up with Currie simpering all over the national press.

Do you remember the salmonella in eggs scare? When she single-handedly almost destroyed an industry

It's shocking to think these people were once in power....oh they're still in power

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:37:07

But hey, it's a lifestyle choice, innit? Who wouldn't want the humiliation of turning up on Monday morning with your pink slip to get a tin of peaches and some minestrone to feed your kids who might not have eaten since Friday lunchtime? Get on your bike, earn a wage, knit your own minestrone.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 13:40:54

Precisely ubik1 that's why people get so cross I think. Because such people ok n these positions still have enough of a platform to spout ill informed opinions such as her food bank one. Re the shops closing I remember the long road in to my city centre being awash with shops. Booming businesses on my way to College and University. Most of it is derilict now. I don't think they were THAT many Food banks back in my college days so wonder what she thinks made those close down?

wetaugust Wed 29-Jan-14 13:42:09

She did say that she had visited the homes of some of those who had been helped by the foodbank.

Actually, reading the Curry article some of it is actually compassion. She's more or less saying 'Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for a lifetime'.

She's arguing for increased spending on drug rehabilitation, debt management and other pratical steps. She's saying that they increase dependency and she's right in a way, as handing out food forever is only a sticking plaster on a very gaping wound.

Trouble is that people on here get outraged at the very mention of her name and only tale out of the aticle what supports their already derogatory view of her.

Take the Benefits Street episode this week- which I am sure I will be told was actually stage-mananged by C4 and not at all like real life. However, set that aside and you saw the man return from the foodbank with more than the 3 days.

< and I await to be flamed by those accusing me of begriging the family 48 Weetabiz - because it's impossible to have areal debate on here>

Meanwhile his wife is smoking away their benefits money.

<and I expect to get flamed for that too as I'll be told it's one of her few pleasures in a shitty world etc etc>

Foodbamks are very ultruistic but they are also a very blunt instrument and don't provide a longterm sustainable solution to the problems these people face.

Elfhame Wed 29-Jan-14 13:43:31

How can someone who had shagged a married man and then blabbed about it, go on about poor life choices? The woman is a fucking joke.

Custardo Wed 29-Jan-14 13:46:16

maybe its those dastardly poor people diving in skips behind shops for food - those like the ones that were arrested for doing that behind an Iceland

those poor people (GRRRRR) putting hard business owners out of business

unlike Tesco express etc - who don't do that AT all (hmm)

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:47:00

YANBU

I think she was trolling though TBH. Probably bored, being the scandalous women what she always will be

Ubik1 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:47:19

It's about poverty.

Simple as that.

None of this 'cost of living crisis' bollocks spouted by labour or 'hard working families' rhetoric recycled endlessly by the tories.

It's poverty.

There are limited jobs. The jobs that are available do not offer enough pay/hours to support a family. It's an extremely stressful way to live. It's very hard to move out of this rut once you are in it.

HopALongOn Wed 29-Jan-14 13:49:13

But you can't just go to a food bank every week. You have to be referred, and perhaps it is different in other areas but here the food banks (plural, how depressing) work together so you can't really hop from one to another and you are only allowed to be referred to them a certain number of times. The referral is also part of a wider holistic approach that aims to help people with the cause of their crisis. So yes, spend more money on drug rehabilitation etc because those are vital services, but usually accessing a food bank comes along with all other kinds of help.

And my arse is it the case of supermarkets losing money.

Ubik1 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:50:17

"Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself for a lifetime'"

Yup - give a person a decent job with a decent rate of pay and they won't be at the food bank...oh but doing that isn't as easy as spouting off in The New Statesman

Give them a zero hours contract and get them in to work 8 hours a week (yes I am looking at you Tesco) then no one has enough money but Tesco is happy and the government is happy.

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:53:04

Thankyou HopALongOn - it's part of a holistic approach.

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:54:00

I find it strange that people can only be referred to food banks 3 times. Like that'll sort them out!!

Like being referred to counseling but only being allowed 6 sessions, if you've not sorted out your life in that time, tough!

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 13:55:11

wetaugust Last October we had a client come in for a Food Parcel on the Friday. They were meant to be paid on the Monday. (She had just lost her job. Company bust so no redundancy). Monday came and they hadn't paid her and told she had to wait again. She went to apply for another 3 days and got told "no. These vouchers were designed to fill the gaps". They aren't given consecutive Vouchers so aren't given endless food neither as Currie appears to insinuate. I didn't watch the Benefits Street programme. 1) it had been done to death already with the Skint and Britain on Benefits 1949 etc. 2) I'm very glad I didn't after hearing Ch 4 deliberately edited out a working couple from the programme. Still I suppose that wouldnt make good tv.

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 13:56:09

It's not tough, it's up to the referring agency to make sure that the crisis which precipitated the need for the food bank has been dealt with. We don't just throw food at people and leave them in the shit.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 13:56:43

Sorry phone had a tantrum. The reply she got was "no. Food Bank vouchers are for Emergencies only. They arent designed to keep filling the gaps".

wetaugust Wed 29-Jan-14 13:58:36

Are you saying the Food Bank turned her away?

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 14:00:58

Can I just point out that that comment i made in my previous post was made by a Jobcentre advisor. Not a member of the Foodbank smile.

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:01:24

But does the referring agency make sure that the crisis which precipitated the need for the food bank has been dealt with?

HopALongOn Wed 29-Jan-14 14:01:45

I do find it odd to limit it to a certain number of times, but it's based on the idea that if they can access a benefits check and other support with debt etc at the same time, they can help 'fix' the cause of the crisis. The actual situation being that sometimes the causes can't be fixed, obviously. But that's another argument that will make me want to pull my own teeth out.

I have spent all this morning in a meeting about how to help support people, to reduce the number of excess winter deaths, and quite frankly, hearing this kind of shite spouted by people without even half of a clue makes me want to cry. It's all so futile in the face of constant benefits bashing and judge judge judging of people who are in the most horrendous of situations. And yeah, I guess some people do make poor life choices. But quite a lot of people are just dealt a shit hand, again and again and again and this kind of 'kick them when they're down' mentality, deserving/undeserving poor bullshit is... exhausting. What is the point of even arguing with people who are never going to get it? Really?

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 14:01:57

I've just commented again wetaugust. No they didn't turn her away. The Jobcentre refused to refer her again.TThat's how hard it is to get referred.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 14:03:53

Because Hopalong we only ever lose if we stop trying.

JakeBullet Wed 29-Jan-14 14:06:03

If EC has visited food banks then she should know better than to make such ignorant and ill informed comments. It makes her look like she is talking bollocks.....oh wait!

wetaugust Wed 29-Jan-14 14:06:08

^ it's up to the referring agency to make sure that the crisis which precipitated the need for the food bank has been dealt with.^

I cannot see how that is workable. You say GP, SS, HV, Church etc can all refer. How is the average GP who refers a person because that person has debts they cannot service, supposed to then monitor that the original crisis of their referral has been dealt with.?

Impossible.

It's just continuing with very fragmented, disjointed emergency sticking plasters when a holistic approach is needed in conjunction with all the agencies concerned.

But that won't happen as the agencies will claim lack of resource and the liberals will claim unnecessary interference with a person's rights.

Instead of donating a tin of beans I'd rather support a cause that taught people literacy, or taught the to drive. Some charitable sector undertaking that actually gave people the skills (the fishing) to b able to support themselves.

JakeBullet Wed 29-Jan-14 14:08:04

Yeah that'll work wetaugust, of course the person (and possibly their children) will starve in the meantime but otherwise good idea hmm

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:08:31

Socks, hopefully, because there should be proper liason between the food bank and the referring agency.

I'm with HopALongOn, it's maddening that the people being attacked here are the weakest, least able to defend themselves. Not a day goes by I don't thank my lucky stars that I've been dealt a better hand, but you know what, a twist of fate, and I could be there.

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:10:53

wetaugust Like I said, we don't just throw food at people. We help with advice agencies, CAB, and the like.

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:12:07

Here's a big cheer for all you charities and workers trying your very best, against the odds, to help people in need.

I can't begin to imagine how frustrating it is for you but I admire you immensely

JakeBullet Wed 29-Jan-14 14:12:36

Food bank use has risen alarmingly at the same time as jobs have been lost, benefits cut, bedroom tax (or whatever it's called) has been implemented and food has massively increased in price.

Anyone else see the link,

Fact is that until this Govt open their privileged eyes and truly see how some people are struggling we will continue to see food banks in use.

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:13:40

Must learn to add a Smiley face or a bunch of flowers graphic.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 14:19:43

Wet august. It's primarily because it can also be classed as a Health concern why GPs are able to refer. same with why Schools/SS have to as its a health risk to any DCs involved. I do partly agree with you that it is not the GPs remit to solve the problems which might have precipitated the crisis. However. If it were to do with Benefits being delayed or sanctioned. Then yes. The Jobcentre can help avoid the situation arising again. By stop sanctioning the hell out of people. Stop employers from changing workers contracts and leaving them in a mess. Yes that's doable too.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 14:22:08

KayHarker grin at we don't just throw food at people.it's true. We spend a lot of time with them. Many are just grateful for half an hour in the warm sad

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 14:23:34

Blimey, they might even get a cup of tea and some biscuits. You never know.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 14:25:53

JakeBullet I dread to think of what could have happened if it wasn't for these Food Banks. Socks thankyou that's a lovely thing to say. flowers. I admire the people who manage to go to the professionals and ask for help whilst somehow managing to keep it together.

HopALongOn Wed 29-Jan-14 15:01:27

Thanks socks. I don't want to be too specific but the people I work with are generally in a poor position financially, because they are doing a loving thing (and saving this poxy government a fortune). And to be told that they are making poor life choices and are constantly on the edge of disaster due to their own fault, makes me incandescent with rage.

wet what usually happens is that someone comes to us and needs a food voucher, we give it to them and then we make sure they are referred to all the agencies they need; so they need a benefits check with the CAB, they need advice on fuel debt so we refer them a service for that, they are having problems with their mental health so we help them access support from their GP, they are having issues with their employer so we can advocate on their behalf etc. It is as much of a holistic approach as we can give them. If it happens again and again then we keep looking at how we can help, even if we can't give more vouchers for a food parcel, there might be other emergency fund they can access, and we can continue to support them with the root causes of their poverty, as best we can. It is far from a perfect system, but it's the best we have and we help as many people, as much as we can.

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 15:09:08

Ah! Sure I've been there, we didn't have food banks then though. The DWP or whoever didn't have a choice but sort the problem out and though they rarely did, at least they were held accountable.

Now all the pressure seems to have been thrown on your shoulders.

I can't help but think all these cuts are going to end up costing the taxpayer more in the long run, in fact I'm sure of it.

SanctiMoanyArse Wed 29-Jan-14 15:13:00

'Foodbamks are very ultruistic but they are also a very blunt instrument and don't provide a longterm sustainable solution to the problems these people face.'

nottheir role.

Off on school run, will elaborate from personal experience and professional also

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 15:14:51

Altruism or selflessness is the principle or practice of concern for the welfare of others. It is a traditional virtue in many cultures and a core aspect of various religious traditions, though the concept of "others" toward whom concern should be directed can vary among cultures and religions. Altruism or selflessness is the opposite of selfishness.

pointythings Wed 29-Jan-14 15:19:18

Instead of donating a tin of beans I'd rather support a cause that taught people literacy, or taught the to drive

Yes, because of course people who need food banks are all illiterate people with no skills. hmm biscuit

There are people in work who need food banks because they are paid so little or are on zero-hours contracts. Open your eyes.

HopALongOn Wed 29-Jan-14 15:21:37

Indeed pointythings.

Life isn't as cut and dry as this government would like us to believe.

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 15:22:52

LOL! teaching them to drive!!!

Such great insight!

wetaugust Wed 29-Jan-14 15:24:34

Can someone please explain these zero hours contracts to me please.

Can the DWP insist that you take a job on a zero hours contract?

If so, how does the benefit system manage the fluctuation in wages (or lack of) from week to week?

I came on this thread to discuss. I don't appreciate snide comments like 'open your eyes'. So if that persists I will not bother with this thread anymore.

wetaugust Wed 29-Jan-14 15:25:02

OK Game over.

I'm out

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 15:26:23

Wow Wet!

That's folding on a game of poker, when you've got a good hand!!

Socks555 Wed 29-Jan-14 15:27:53

I take that back!

pointythings Wed 29-Jan-14 15:33:06

wet I know you are out, but yes, you can be sanctioned for refusing to take a zero hours contract. You can be sanctioned for missing a Job Centre attendance when you are attending a job interview. This is happening.

How does the benefits system manage the fluctuation in wages? Simple answer - badly to not at all, and people are suffering because of it. Do a little research and you will find out all about it unless you are happy in your bubble, of course.

HopALongOn Wed 29-Jan-14 15:35:07

Well, in short wet the benefits system doesn't manage the fluctuating wage thing very well. Hence people end up firmly up shit creek. Zero hours contracts are a total con and a way to massage unemployment figures, I think. Yes you have found a job that says it will give you 18 hours a week, so you are no longer unemployed but actually some weeks you get far less and some far more (generally less) but it fluctuates enough to keep you on the books, give you fuck all in the way of rights and leaves you in a nightmare situation with regard to tax credits etc. Also very easy to get rid of a staff member if you keep them on zero hours.

The thing is so many have been arguing for so long, that you get a bit numb to it all and when someone doesn't see something that you view as totally self evident and obvious, you think 'really?! REALLY?!' but it doesn't help to say things like that, I know. That people can be in work, and still unable to provide enough money to feed their family and keep them warm at the same time, is so appalling in the UK in 2014 that quite a lot of people think it can't be true. They must be making bad choices, right? In some cases, yes, but I can't really blame people (who other sideline in the total shitfest that is generational poverty and how people choose to 'escape' from that etc). In quite a lot of cases, there's just nothing to cut back, there are no more savings to be made and the money in doesn't equal the money out and then it's food banks, and fuel vouchers or stealing or getting into terrible debt or eviction... I don't know the answers to it all. I'm having a really glum day and feeling really negative about it all and that's probably showing, but I'm pretty confident that demonizing people who use food banks and labeling them as idiots who make shit choices is probably not going to help.

Edwina Currie and the rest of her ilk can, quite frankly, suck my metaphorical dick.

SanctiMoanyArse Wed 29-Jan-14 15:52:06

OK so

In personal life recently almost ended up using foodbank when someone fraudulently took the food budget from the bank account (luckily bank managed to speed up recovery process). For those of us low paid employed families with no family (well, in this country, we have some in England but they don't drive and broke never filled a petrol tank), they are a potential lifeline.

Professionally in past life used to be able to refer people to a local resource, the most common reasons were benefits messed up by DWP / council, or purse nicked or lost. I assume sanctions up there now as well sadly. Quite apart from being unable to budget, the majority of the families I worked with were far better at it than I, and I often took their advice over saving a few quid here and there. Blanket judgements just don't work. the one main thing I learned working at the coalface for a charity was that EVERYONE had a backstory, but often it took a while to learn it. That didn't make everyone perfect- there are no doubt as many flawed members of the workless community as there are in any other group- but you could see what had happened, understand. And once you understand you can start to actually help people change and move forwards (not always into work, that's not always possible depending on the person's needs, but to a more secure footing whatever).

SanctiMoanyArse Wed 29-Jan-14 15:52:46

Oh can I have the literacy lessons please?

I shall shortly have an MA but no matter, clearly I am illiterate.

SanctiMoanyArse Wed 29-Jan-14 15:56:28

Wets a dear, dear friend worked zero hours for a formerly successful retail chain. Most weeks she would work lots of hours which she combined with looking after her son, some weeks she would get nothing. When she had one of those weeks, she was eligible for benefits but the processing speed could take months- over time she spent all savings and could not manage, those contracts being the norm in our industry. In the end her son had to go live with her husband as she was no longer able to maintain rent reliably, and ended up in a bedsit.

Her son's father is on another continent, she has not been able to afford to visit him this year. It has broken her heart.

Not a workshy scrounger or any of the things you hear thrown about, a really lovely, caring person who now works MW in a FT contract but can't save up the money for airfares.

KayHarker1 Wed 29-Jan-14 16:01:58

HopALongOn, have some thanks. Glum day or not, you're doing a great job.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 16:07:11

Wet I'm out at the minute but I'm happy to respond to it with sensible reasons as to why commenting on the fact that literacy lessons and driving lessons are good long term ideas to help people more employable. It doesnt fix the immediate problem that some clients come in with. Also as already has been stated. It's not mostly benefit claimants that use food banks. How do you propose fixing the problem of a family man of 4 going from 40hrs a week contract to 8 for a zero hour contract and not having two pennies to rub together. How do we stop his boss from doing this to him again? Especially when given the contract hours he most probably won't be entitled to any in work benefits as he isn't working enough hours. This is the bonkers problems we see occurring at the minute.

SanctiMoanyArse Wed 29-Jan-14 16:09:53

Literacy is fab, it won't address the very real fact that there are fewer jobs than applicants and many unemployed people are highly qualified in this market, but literacy is always a positive action plan.

It's not going to feed a hungry five year old though. Or his parents. And hungry people don't learn well, so you'd just be adding to the problem hugely by shifting all funding across from food to education. There are places for both.

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 16:16:29

Indeed sancti

Misspixietrix Wed 29-Jan-14 20:11:49

I can't quite get over the shy brazenness of the lies half truths they keep spinning. If there's that many more people in work than ever before why are we seeing more and more clients every week? And if theyre doing such a good job of the economy and a living wage. WhY are we needing more food banks?

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