to think that actually, I may die of sleep deprivation

(77 Posts)
Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:11:27

It feels like it. Particularly as she wakes every 1-2 hours with no let up, and has since birth. She is 6 months. This is how I will meet my end, I fear.

MiniSoksMakeHardWork Tue 21-Jan-14 18:15:54

Ime I eventually passed out and slept until I woke up, through screaming twins and a toddler! Nothing but a good shake would rouse me. And thankfully dh wasn't prepared to be greated by a bear being rudely awoken from hibernation smile

If you can, find someone to have baby for you for a day and go back to bed. Even if you're still being woken at night, that sleep will make you feel a whole heap better.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:19:43

I breastfeed so unfortunately cannot hand her over to my husband/parents/in laws! My 3 year old son likes to wake of a night currently too. It's joyous.

addictedtocaffeine Tue 21-Jan-14 18:23:12

I feel your pain. My 9 month old is up and down all night long, and either has to be breastfed or patted back to sleep. I have a 4 year old too and I'm working full time. It's tough...just got to keep going though! smile

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 18:24:40

If she is 6 months, the end is in sight! Once she is taking substantial amounts of solids you can hand her over to someone so you can have a break.

My daughter woke every 2 hours or so for a feed up until 7.5 months, at which point my mum had her overnight- DD used to take a bottle but she refused this time and went through the night with no milk. So we took a gamble on putting her in her own room and she slept better (only waking 2-3 x per night). But it only worked because she was ready iykwim and the night feeds were becoming a habit rather than her needing them.

In the meantime, can you cosleep and feed lying down so you are disrupted as little as possible?

TheRealAmandaClarke Tue 21-Jan-14 18:24:42

Poor thing
<no help>

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 18:25:21

Have you tried giving her expressed milk in a cup (like a doidy)? Sometimes babies who refuse bottles will take from a cup.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:28:03

We do cosleep, it's the only way I get any sleep at all. It worries me slightly as I am so very tired though. She's a little cherub but sleep is not her favourite thing. Why? Sleep is gorgeous! I think... I can't really recall... she was only up twice in the night, then she got a cold and hasn't been the same since. I would dearly love sleep. I shall be rocking in the corner!

PumpkinPie2013 Tue 21-Jan-14 18:28:57

Goodness - I'm not surprised you feel like this shock

Is your dd waking for milk? If so is she definitely hungry? I assume she's started solids so shouldn't need as much (if any?) Milk during the night.

Can you offer water when she wakes? Get your dh to offer it/give her a cuddle? Might take a few nights but she should get in eventually.

As for your 3 year old - why is he waking? Can you try reward charts? Leave a drink by his bed and a light on so he can get to the toilet?

Can someone have your 3 year old one night so you only have to deal with the baby?

I feel for you - I'd go spare in your situation!

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:29:14

She will take expressed breast milk, but it takes me just days to get enough for a bottle's worth and it's just such a faff isn't it. Thank you though, the suggestions are appreciated.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:30:15

Sorry we had about a week of twice a night wake ups, thought I'd cracked it but sadly not!

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:32:31

She wakes up crying, she sometimes comfort sucks for a few seconds and swiftly falls back to sleep - but I am so desperate for sleep myself that I just feed at every wake up, which is perhaps wrong.
3 year old has a particularly horrid cough, hence the wakings.
goes back to time when husband and I thought it would be wonderful to have children. Punches self in face

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 18:37:31

If you express every day at the same sort of time then your milk supply will increase to match- when DD was at nursery I could express her bottle in the morning before we left and at the weekends I'd freeze what I got for emergencies. But I have a double electric pump so it was easy to do while I was eating breakfast or whatever and dd was still in bed.

She might be waking between sleep cycles for comfort. Does she have some sort of teddy or comforter? You could introduce one for sleep time, eventually it will help her get back to sleep herself.

You could try putting her in her own room- it might be that as you are co sleeping you are being woken by her stirring between sleep cycles, whereas in her own room she has chance to put herself back to sleep.

How does she normally go to sleep? If she usually feeds to sleep you could try feeding her, disturbing her and then rocking her back to sleep. So she learns to sleep without the sucking so when she wakes in the night you can rock her again, eventually she'll be able to put herself back to sleep.

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 18:39:37

X post, sounds like it's definitely a comfort thing (DD at that age was still taking at least 3 full feeds in the night!) I'd try different ways of getting her to sleep initially (Dd liked back patting and also a light and lullaby show) and then when she wakes in the night try that again.

In the meantime, for you to survive, get the 3 year old to nursery and sleep when the baby does!

waterrat Tue 21-Jan-14 18:42:25

I know
This is boring advice but if you put her in a cot and sat next to it for a night you could really really crack the multiple wakings - it's as much you reacting to the slightest stirrings as it is her waking .... If she is having little comfort sucks you can switch that to two feeds a night - but it means focusing your energy and getting help from dp in the night for a couple of nights

I was in exact same position it was hell

Took one night to get back to 6 hour block of sleep and 2 wake ups .. Just took turns sitting and patting/ shhing back to sleep instead of offering boob ...

FortyDoorsToNowhere Tue 21-Jan-14 18:44:52

Why not freeze the tiny amount you can get and make enough the cover 1 night every fortnight then your DH could do 1 night for you.

kinkyfuckery Tue 21-Jan-14 18:45:00

Have you ever given her formula?

I hated expressing but would occasionally (ok, DD2 was a bit older) be able to get her to take a cup of the pre-mixed formula so someone else could take her for a few hours.

Or is formula not an option at this stage?

muddylettuce Tue 21-Jan-14 18:47:12

Can dh try and soothe her back to sleep? He might be able to get away with soothing her without feeding her seeing as he doesn't have boobies. Xx

I know it doesn't feel like it but this stage doesn't go on forever. Although it FEELS like it does grin especially with DC4 You will get through it and slowly you will regain your energy. My DCs are Uni age and I still appreciate my uninterrupted night sleeps.

Stay strong and look after yourself as much as you can.


pootlebug Tue 21-Jan-14 18:51:07

I feel your pain. Albeit in the 'how the fuck did I survive it?' way rather than a current thing. DD2 is now 22 months and has been 'sleeping' (i.e. only waking once or twice a night) for the last 5 months or so).

What I did:
- DH definitely does your other child. If by some remote chance the smallest does sleep a bit, he definitely has to deal with the others.
- Go to bed as soon as smallest sleeps. Get DH to deal with all wakings prior to 11pm/midnight or whatever by shushing, patting, carrying around, slinging, whatever he has to do. If you go to bed at 8-ish you'll still get one half-decent chunk of sleep. And it will get her more used to settling without the boob.

Sorry those aren't really great suggestions but better than nothing. In the end I pushed nightweaning then total weaning but it was a fair bit later than 6 months.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:53:32

She will not take formula! Bloody baby
During the day she will nap if rocked or patted, perhaps I'll try that at night. Am I making myself my own worst enemy? It's just that feeding is the fastest way to settle her back off. My husband would happily do night time, but she will not settle with him, only me bloody baby

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:54:49

Thanks ever so much for the suggestions and sympathy! I feel utterly shattered and hopeless, I must admit. Like it is never ending!

Shockingundercrackers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:55:07

Oh Fancy, me too! My six month old is like this and there are days where I genuinely fear for my safety. Ds1 is 4 and sleeps well thank god, but he needs a lot of attention during the day and sometimes l feel like I might utterly lose my mind...

If you crack it, please let me know!

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:56:33

She has two - three actual feeds during the night. Three feeds would be sheer bloody luxury at present. Just the comfort sucking.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 18:57:11

Shocking, let's run. Run far away. Somewhere there is lots of alcohol.

Kittymalinky Tue 21-Jan-14 18:58:05

My DD was like this. We cosleep and she started sleeping through or waking once or twice and settling with a pat and shush at about a year old.

I do feel your pain, I too thought I'd die of sleep deprivation.

I started handing her over to my DM at about 8 mo with expressed milk and food and go back to bed

SS3J Tue 21-Jan-14 18:58:26

Poor you. I was the same with my DD and thought I would die. Did not help that hv etc would just go.on about how it's normal. It is NOT normal to get no more than an hours sleep at a time for that long! My DD's problem was that she was sleeping all day and feeding all night. Once I had figured that out I stopped demand feeding, fed her regularly during the day and used other ways of comforting her at night. it also helped that I had a very supportive mum who took her for a few nights to wean her off me (i was in the house so could feed her once or twice in the night but she slept next mum so couldn't smell the milk). It worked! From then on she has been an ace sleeper. Hope things improve for you soon.

maddening Tue 21-Jan-14 19:02:45

can you get her on a dummy? I tried my ds (find'th with still after 2yo :-( ) he wouldn't take it unfortunately but my friend managed to slip her nipple out and the dummy in when her ds and it ended the comfort sucking.

BagOfBats Tue 21-Jan-14 19:06:07

Hmmm I am no help whatsoever but I am you, except 8 months further on. My 14mo DS2 doesn't sleep. Ever. Up hourly lastnight. And do you know what? I'm so used to it that I'm not even tired <scary>
His lack of sleep has literally taken years off my life, I am sure.
I think when they want to and are ready to sleep through, they will sleep. Ironically DS1 slept through from 3 months old. There is literally no rationale and it helps me to remind myself of this sometimes!! I used to kill myself trying to work out why and there is no one reason for it. He's just not a sleeper!! Ha ha this hasn't been helpful, had it?!

I feel your pain. DS is only 6 weeks but my DD is 3 and has never really seen the point of sleep.I like the sound of the place with lots of alcohol.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 19:09:58

She had the dummy but refuses it as of about a month ago. Bats, my son was similar! I genuinely do not mind being up a few times, but I have no evenings because I am just spent by 7.30 when she goes to bed and I can't even look forward to bedtime myself, sob! It is relentless and bloody hard but my God I love her the sleep stealing shitbag

MsAspreyDiamonds Tue 21-Jan-14 19:10:06

My 3 year old has slept in cycles of 2/3 hours since birth and it is killing me. I am suffering really badly now to the extent of getting palpitations & general slowness.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 19:18:07

Christ, I bet you are, poor you. Why do they do this? Sleep is so wonderful!

Shockingundercrackers Tue 21-Jan-14 19:18:20

Good plan. I would drink and sleep and drink and sleep and sleep and sleep ahhhhhhh....

In all seriousness, have you tried earplugs? I can't sleep at all without them. They do help filter out some of the baby chatting / grunting / snoring / pinging of the bars in the cot. Unfortunately I can still hear the actual crying though, so when he needs a feed or a cuddle there's no place to hide... but it's a start.

Could you mix half and half formula and breastmilk, so you wouldn't have to express so much and she might take it? I had to do this with DS who wasn't having any of formula. Oh, and even when he would have it he would only ever have it cold...! Just so you could retreat to a spare room / sofa / travelodge for one night?

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 19:30:34

Oh yes SS3J you just reminded me, I made sure I offered DD boob at least every 3 hours during the day to make sure she fed well. She was so nosy she forgot to feed in the day and would make up for it at night.

And giving baby to your mum (or whoever else you are comfortable with) for the night might help. That's what gave us the push to move Dd to her own room. My mum had her for the night, complete with expressed milk which she'd always taken before, but this time she refused all bottles and had nothing except a sip or two of water between tea time and breakfast. She was up a couple of times in the night, but not overly distressed and went back to sleep each time after half an hour or so of rocking. Obviously she knew I wasn't there, and that made a difference (if DH had tried rocking, she'd have screamed).

Of course, the next day she was extra hungry so made up for the night feeds in the day, so she wasn't as hungry the next night and even though I was there again, she didn't wake as much.

If nothing else, letting someone else look after her for the night will give you one, blissful, undisturbed night of sleep! (Make sure the 3 year old and preferably DH are shipped out somewhere too).

Bumpandkind Tue 21-Jan-14 19:32:28

Aren't these threads great for reminding yourself that there are other sleep deprived parents out there.

My 7 month old Ds has never been a great sleeper. We are doing well at the moment (for us) as waking about 3-4 times in the night and starting off in his cot for up to 5 hours. To achieve this I'm afraid I did a little CC at the first wake. I feel bad but it has helped.

Refuses dummies, bottles etc too.

Bumpandkind Tue 21-Jan-14 19:34:59

Can I join the far away land of alcohol? I'll provide some naice snacks.

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 19:36:58

She feeds 2-3 hourly in the day so I'm not sure it's her making up for that. I'm going to try her in the cot and only get her when she cries, at the moment the slightest whinge and I'm there. But if I don't respond quickly she works herself into a frenzy. Sigh. Luckily she is an easygoing soul during the day!

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 19:37:54

I'm not sure whether I'd want her away from me for a night, even though the thought is blissful. I am awful aren't I.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Tue 21-Jan-14 19:39:57

Ds is nearly 8 years old and only sleeps for 4 hours, I feel your pain.

I don't think there is a brand of energy drink that I have not tried ( all a bit pointless IMO)

IndigoTea Tue 21-Jan-14 19:39:59

I feel your pain, and have been going through the same for the past few months. It is torture. Especially as one is expected to carry on as normal during the day. hmm

FortyDoorsToNowhere Tue 21-Jan-14 19:41:01

How about sleeping on the sofa and only feeding for food and not comfort

Bumpandkind Tue 21-Jan-14 19:43:19

Why are there loads of us zombie mums on MN but at every bloody baby group I attend, 'Little Lord loves his sleep' has been doing 12 hour stretches since birth?

bump maybe we're too knackered to make it to the groups grin

SharonCurley Tue 21-Jan-14 19:49:49

FancyDrawers-in exact same position.Reading through all the advice here.Dh works away and have dd4 too.When dh comes home she is hysterical if he tries to settle her at night so it has just been easier for me to do it.Went to bed at 7 last night so that I would get a few blocks of sleep.Felt great today but that can't continue.Feel like I am cracking up some days.She seems to sleep for two hours or three hours and then cries and like you the only thing that sends her off again is being in my bed and a quick feed.She shouldn't be hungry.

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 19:53:24

Another thought- do you drink a lot of coffee or other caffeinated drinks to make up for your tiredness? Only coffee gives DD reflux (if I drink it, I mean, obviously I wouldn't feed coffee to a baby!) and she showed an improvement in sleeping once I cut out all caffeine.

And it's not awful at all to want your baby near you. There were two reasons why I let Dd spend the night away from me- one was knowing that my wedding was coming up and that we would want our wedding night alone, and the other was the fact that DH caught me at a vulnerable moment (growth spurt and DD had woken every hour, on the hour, for 3 nights, I was broken and would have done anything to get some sleep!)

MetellaEstMater Tue 21-Jan-14 19:55:35

Bump round here it's because all the blooming groups start10am and at that time I'm mainlining caffeine.

Bubblegoose Tue 21-Jan-14 19:57:18

Nothing to add, just sympathy. I'm on my knees with a newborn while entertaining toddler during the day - cannot imagine keeping this up for six bloody months. You poor bugger. flowers

CrohnicallyFarting Tue 21-Jan-14 19:58:44

bump my favourite group starts at 1:00pm and it's great, none of us get much sleep! You make an announcement like 'Dd only woke 3 times last night!' and they're all jealous!

Preciousbane Tue 21-Jan-14 19:59:34

DS was like this, I did the unpopular controlled crying and he went in his own room, was topped up with formula and started weaning with gusto. After two weeks I was getting stretches of sleep lasting six hours.

Echocave Tue 21-Jan-14 20:01:32

God I feel your pain. Just finished 3 hour screamathon. I hate early evenings in particular.
I try to sort problems out but do think less can be more with night wakings. Although I am frankly the wrong person to give advice as I'm virtually crying this evening. All I can say is good luck.

doodahwhatsit Tue 21-Jan-14 20:02:36

I want to run away too the place with lots of alcohol too . . .

5 month old DD alternates between hourly waking or 2 hourly waking and breast nuzzles whilst 2.5 yr old still doesn´t regularly sleep through the night

I was going to DC1 when she woke to compensate for ruining her world and giving her baby sister but started totaling the amount of time I spent per year sat at the end of her bed waiting for her to go to sleep and came up the weeks and went on strike grin so only DD2 to cope with . . .

SharonCurley Tue 21-Jan-14 20:05:42

Put her down just there and she slept for exactly half and hour then woke crying and wouldn't settle.I can't to cc

Fancydrawers Tue 21-Jan-14 20:10:28

At least we know we're not alone. Just tried putting her down awake but was met with screams until I fed. I have a constant pounding headache. In all honesty if I could get her to take formula I would sleep on the sofa and let my husband do a few nights!

SharonCurley Tue 21-Jan-14 20:23:26

Me too.She never took a bottle for me.She is fantastic during the day though -all smiles, all the time.Would really love a few good nights sleep.Zthink I would look and feel fantastic!

pootlebug Tue 21-Jan-14 20:30:08

Amongst the many things I tried (3 children....) was the No-cry sleep solution book. Putting the eldest down after boob but not-quite-asleep gradually improved her ability to sleep. It took a few months of gradual improvement but then she slept like a log. Didn't work with the other two but hey-ho. Number two suddenly accepted a dummy at 7 months. Number 3 is still officially a pain-in-the-bum where sleep is concerned but she's gorgeous, she's a lot better than she was, and she is my last so might get away with more than is really sensible.

appletarts Tue 21-Jan-14 20:39:00

Feed her some proper food, like porridge and be done with it. zzzzz

tinyturtletim Tue 21-Jan-14 21:39:09

My dd is 1 and we have had a horrendous time with sleep have just got a sleep clinic referral

How is weaning going? That is usually a turning point..

also getting her in her own cot would help for you, she can smell the milk and also sense your hormones so knows if she makes the noise you will do it, if she is in acot it will make comfort feeding less easy.

it depends how fed up you are with what measures you want to take.

Kittyburgh Tue 21-Jan-14 21:39:14

Fancy when I read this I thought I may have started the thread myself but forgotten cos I'm so tired. I haven't posted on mumsnet for approx 3 years when DD1 was giving me sleep hassle. Here I am again with both DD1 (3 and a half) and DD2 (4 months) both giving me sleep hassle. Exactly as you describe, DD2 is a cosleeping, comfort sucking hourly waker. DD1 is a bed-resisting 3 times a night waker unless DH goes to spare bed and she gets in with me and DD2. I've read/tried EVERYTHING with one or the other of them. Nothing works (I won't bore you with the details, it's just a fact), it's truly hideous.

Deepest deepest sympathies. But also thanks, for reminding me that it's normal and I'm not alone.

Lucylouby Tue 21-Jan-14 21:59:59

I know exactly how you are feeling, but we have come out of the other side of this now. I have three dc, the youngest is 3 now and we have regular weeks where all three sleep through the night. I now have the opposite problem where I can't get to sleep at night and then wake up while they are all asleep. There is nothing more frustrating than that. The children sleeping though the night will happen for you, I promise. It may take a bit longer, but you will get through this time in your life and will look back and wonder how you did it.

MyDarlingClementine Tue 21-Jan-14 22:02:04

we are still on nightly wakings, two usually and I am used to it now...i have not slept a full night for over a year, however this cot, has made life so much easier as effectively co sleeping but without that fear of co sleeping. even when i have been near dead with sleep i have been able to shift her over to her side...

i keep promoting this cot where i can because its been so amazing for me, and when people have been moaning about sleep and so on...i have been the lucky one, because of this cot!

hopefully they will catch on more, and people will have one of these upstairs and a moses down stairs.

MyDarlingClementine Tue 21-Jan-14 22:02:17
4horsesforcourses Tue 21-Jan-14 22:03:51

hey I'm six months ahead of you but in the same place.

I am alive


yes, I am alive.

I would contribute wit or sense, but look, at least I spelt some words ok.

MyDarlingClementine Tue 21-Jan-14 22:03:52

btw mine wont take dummy or bottle, i tried and it was easier to carry on BF.

oakmouse Tue 21-Jan-14 22:13:49

I had the same thing. It is torture. You will sleep again.

The good news is that you will never, ever take sleep for granted again, and will snuggle down each night with a sense of awed gratification. It will be a small, reliable pocket of bliss at the end of every day.

Trust me on this. Dd is 5 and neither of us sleep through the night, but it still feels like heaven. You will survive, but you will wonder how you did...

bochead Wed 22-Jan-14 00:48:41

She's only 6 months.

OP- I have one like that who is now 9 years old lol!

If you can get one night a month where someone else cares for her (partner or family). If you can't learn to cat nap during the day when she does/on the commute to work, in your lunch hour etc. It's the only way.

CrohnicallyFarting Wed 22-Jan-14 06:43:05

No need to buy a fancy co sleeper cot. We had a regular cot, took the side off, pushed it against our bed and wedged it there. We had 2 mattresses on the cot to bring it up to the same height as our bed- the cot came with a second hand mattress so we left that on the bottom and bought a new one which DD actually slept on.

Fancydrawers Wed 22-Jan-14 07:00:32

Thank you for the suggestions, sorry to those of you experiencing the same!
I do have a cotbed against the bed, she starts off in there but there is just a small gap that we cannot close between that and our bed which worries me. I shall try the side being on it and see whether that makes a difference.
God only knows what I will do about her milk when I return to work!

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Wed 22-Jan-14 07:08:20

Many sympathies. The only reason I am not dying today is because I went to bed at 8pm last night - before my 7 year old! Any chance you could get some very early nights? Even interrupted sleep is better if it starts at 7pm!

Parliamo Wed 22-Jan-14 07:13:54

I remember reading about a psychology experiment where I cat was put on an island in a pool of water, every time it fell asleep, the water woke it up. Eventually, it died.

Sleep deprivation is a form of torture.

I have three (3!) sleep terrorists. I am scared about going back to work because I will be so incompetent if someone notices I will be on incompetency procedures and sacked.

I feel your pain!

Binkybix Wed 22-Jan-14 07:33:42

Yes to the pain. And I only have one! Genuinely has stopped me wanting another.

Thought I was going to kill someone at a group when she complained about a 6am wake up. I was all sympathy until it transpired her baby had woken that time AFTER 12 HOURS SODDING SLEEP!!!!

chickabilla Wed 22-Jan-14 08:21:03

I sympathise, OP. Further on (11 months today) but definitely no further on in terms of sleep. Still alive though, hey! DD has done a five hour stretch a couple of times in her life but most often is up every hour or 2 and feeds 3 times a night. DS is 3.5 and wakes at least once a night. I have been trying to get DD to have 2 night feeds but she seems to have been having a growth spurt and now has ANOTHER cold. I want to hibernate!

TheRealAmandaClarke Wed 22-Jan-14 09:32:04

another vote for "the no cry sleep solution"

Fancydrawers Wed 22-Jan-14 10:08:14

I always go to bed at 7/8pm, I have no life!

peppinagiro Wed 22-Jan-14 10:13:26

Fancy - no good advice to add, but I'm in the exact same boat! <waves blearily> My DD is also 6mo, co-sleeping, will only feed to sleep, bottle/formula refuser, dummy refuser, spends THE WHOLE NIGHT latched on and occasionally sucking, and wakes every hour atm. We have the odd run of 2 or 3 nights where she maybe goes 3 hour blocks and I feel human, but they're rare. Plus they probably only happen because even she's too exhausted to stay awake anymore.

You really have my sympathy. It's awful isn't it? I spent most of last week sobbing myself awake each morning. I actually reached the point of being desperate enough to try again with the cot, but she screamed, I was too tired to perservere. There's a lot of good advice upthread, but personally, I'm too tired to do anything in the night than just whack my boob back in her mouth and keep my eyes closed.

I found my salvation has been sticking her on DH in the sling one or two evenings a week so she sleeps there, and I get a good baby-free sleep until about 11 when he sticks her in next to me. Am planning that tonight. I may also have a glass of wine. That thought is going to get me through the next 9 hours til bedtime.

Hope you get some sleep at some point in your life ever.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Wed 22-Jan-14 10:19:11

Could she be a little thirsty rather than hungry in the night? Perhaps have a sippy cup of water to hand and give her a little of that if she wakes. If she's only thirsty that might help.

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