to want to view a house more than once before putting in an offer?

(131 Posts)
ohhifruit Tue 14-Jan-14 22:14:14

We've viewed a few places and 3 of them have been potentials.

1. Viewed 3 times before deciding it wasn't quite right for us. We were very close to putting in a bid but the work required would have been too much. The EA seemed to think 3 times was excessive but I did not think it was outlandish when spending thousands upon thousands of pounds.

2. We're booked into see a house for the second time this weekend with a builder friend so he can tell us what kind of work he thinks would be possible. When I spoke to the EA he said "a second viewing, do you think you'll be making an offer?" as if viewing a place we could potentially live in for more than 5 minutes was totally unreasonable unless we were 100% sure we'd put in an offer.

3. Viewed a house about 6 months ago and the vendors said our second viewing could only be for 5 minutes. I felt like Anneka Rice. The first viewing hardly took 10 minutes so it's not like the last time we were in there watching Panorama and eating their cheese and motherbanging crackers.

I'm half imaging viewing retirement properties in my 70s by merely opening the letterbox and having a good sniff.

How many times did you view your house before you put in an offer?
How many times is unreasonable? 2, 3, 4, 9, 67?

Pleasetryan0ther Tue 14-Jan-14 22:15:32

Once, but it was London and you couldn't hang about.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Tue 14-Jan-14 22:16:32

Same.

once it was priced at the right price for lots of people, offer was accepted, thankfully EA wouldn't allow gazumping otherwise we wouldn't have got it.

TunipTheUnconquerable Tue 14-Jan-14 22:18:09

2 is normal. We have only viewed the house we're buying once and I'm feeling a bit funny about it - firstly, I'm worrying about whether we've been rash, and secondly, I'm worrying whether we might look flakey.

It might be different in London though, for all I know - different world down there....

once grin
and one after having offer accepted.
sorry op.

DragonMamma Tue 14-Jan-14 22:20:12

Twice

3 times seems excessive. What could you find out on a third that you didn't on the first two?

Twice. I think the EA is being a bit of an arse.

mummymeister Tue 14-Jan-14 22:21:38

3 or 4 times each time. I wouldn't buy a dress without trying it on twice and they cost a lot less than a house. you have to be sure. make sure you visit the area its in at all times of the day and night so you don't get any nasty surprises. nearly bought a house on a road used heavily for school run and college parking. ok to get out of your drive up until 8am but after that blocked in until 4pm. glad we popped round at lunchtime one day and saw this.

MoreBeta Tue 14-Jan-14 22:23:06

Twice. First time with DW and second time with builder to survey the work required. Then a cash offer for a quick sale.

Oooh, YANBU. If I'm going to spend £250000 on something I want to spend the night!

So I going a couple of times, taking your parents round as an excuse to go again for their opinion etc is NBU.

SparkleToffee Tue 14-Jan-14 22:24:10

Three is a bit much IMO . For this house DH came to look whilst I was at work and then I came for another viewing by myself and put offer in. If you know your budget, the market , what it is you want them I can't really see why you would need more than 2.

BerryMojito Tue 14-Jan-14 22:24:14

Twice - every house I've ever bought.

happydutchmummy Tue 14-Jan-14 22:26:00

We only viewed the inside once, but did drive by at various times of day to double check on the parking situation... and I saw it again after having offer accepted, but it wasn't a formal viewing, just went round to have a chat with the people selling about completion times.

SparkleToffee Tue 14-Jan-14 22:26:32

mummymeister but that's not a house viewing that's an overview of the area. We did that. - DH went round and sat in the car at midnight on a Saturday night, but You don't need EAs to do that .

Finola1step Tue 14-Jan-14 22:26:41

Twice. Two months apart. Then a third time after offer accepted but before paying for a survey.

Bought previous house in early 2007. Market was very much on the up. Houses in the area moving fast. Viewed the house once, in the evening. Fell in love with it. Offered the next morning, offer accepted. Completed four months later. Had a sinking feeling that I had been rushed. I was right. Lots if problems came up. Got it all sorted. Sold three years later, made a profit and took the money and ran.

Moral of the story? Always sleep on such a massive decision and view a house/flat at least twice an ideally at different times of the day. You are right to be careful.

17leftfeet Tue 14-Jan-14 22:27:02

Twice -the first time to get a feel of the place, the second time with my practical head on

DameDeepRedBetty Tue 14-Jan-14 22:29:34

We viewed twice but made fundamental error of both viewings being same day of week/time of day. Then we'd have realised that it would be sheer hell every school day morning and afternoon and even worse on Market days.

WooWooOwl Tue 14-Jan-14 22:29:57

Twice is enough, I think asking for a third needs to be reserved for when you are 99% sure you're going to put in an offer.

Tbh, there's nothing I would gain out of viewing three times that I couldn't get out of viewing twice.

whois Tue 14-Jan-14 22:30:32

Twice.

I don't see what the problem is with viewing more than once? It's good practice I think.

MidniteScribbler Tue 14-Jan-14 22:30:36

I think twice is reasonable. I've purchased after just one inspection before, but I was buying interstate and it was the last house I looked at and I had to get a flight home.

Three times then no offer I'd think you were a bit of a twit and a time waster. If you've looked at lots of houses and keep going back for extra inspections but not making offers then I can see why the agent is getting a bit annoyed.

Just once. Had another look once offer was accepted

ceeveebee Tue 14-Jan-14 22:31:05

Once - open house in London - we were first in and offered the asking price within an hour!

JackieBrambles Tue 14-Jan-14 22:31:15

We've seen the place we are buying now twice.

We have put in an offer on a place after seeing it once (this is in London - and we didn't get it even after offering 12k over asking price!!)

Bowlersarm Tue 14-Jan-14 22:32:31

Once.

Then again after contracts were exchanged to measure up.

Bowlersarm Tue 14-Jan-14 22:34:13

Meant to say, I think twice is fine. Three times is just about acceptable. I probably would say no to a fourth viewing.

steppemum Tue 14-Jan-14 22:36:06

twice, and we had a surveyor friend go and check on an issue between viewings.
House had been on the market for a while and we didn't think anyone else was beating the door down, so no rush to put in an offer.

Second view I took my mum. Vendor was very jittery ''why do they want to see it again??'' So I said I was taking my mum and just wanted to be sure.

steppemum Tue 14-Jan-14 22:36:40

we spent ages looking round first time, and vendors were out, so good way to view.

Katz Tue 14-Jan-14 22:37:28

The house were currently in three times I think. First was an open house, then we made a private viewing appointment and then the third time we came back with my brother because he wanted a nose at our new house before he bogged off to Oz for 12 months. I think we went back in twice after that before it was officially ours to measure up and see which curtains would fit.

When we sold most people had a second viewing and one person came for a third, but I'm sure she only came back for a third to show how much she wanted it. We went to sealed bids and it went to the highest bidder.

ohhifruit Tue 14-Jan-14 22:39:06

MidniteScribbler We have only viewed one house 3 times. The one from 6 months ago we didn't go through with a second viewing because they changed the price in the mean time.

I can understand why EAs would be occasionally wary because they must get time wasters viewing houses for sport however we viewed 1 house 3 times and declines to offer because it wasn't right despite us being 95% sure it was.

We're not time wasters but we are FTB who just want to spend more that 15 minutes (total) inside a house before they stump up the money.

noviceoftheday Tue 14-Jan-14 22:40:52

Once! Current house we saw it once put in offer and didn't see it again till the day we moved in!

LittleBearPad Tue 14-Jan-14 22:41:30

Twice. EA wouldn't let us put in an offer that day. He said we had to sleep on it! Saw it a second time and made an offer then.

LittleBearPad Tue 14-Jan-14 22:41:55

This was in London too. Not all EAs are arses

Preciousbane Tue 14-Jan-14 22:46:23

I have just put an offer in having viewed once, we are going back for a second viewing now offer is accepted with our DS . We did the same with the house we are in and we were in it for 14 years. Well DS didn't get a viewing as he didn't exist 14 years ago.

It is round the corner from us and I have now walked past that house and also on to the estate it backs on to every day for last four days at different times and have just driven past at nine this evening and my friend who is a dog walker has walked her dogs down there for a nosey. I Have also checked local crime stats.

MrsSteptoe Tue 14-Jan-14 22:47:40

Twice before making an offer. If it was a house, rather than a flat, I would feel apologetic about a third viewing, but I'd do it if I felt it was necessary. If it still didn't feel 100% right after a third viewing, it's either not right, or I haven't worked out what I want yet.

DH went twice (first alone and second with me). I went once. We've bought at auction on a single block viewing by the auctioneer.

But DH develops property so we know what we are looking for and how much work we are prepared to do. We have viewed a lot of property.

It's worth making sure you know the area and go around at different times of day to check the area for things like traffic and noise.

BackforGood Tue 14-Jan-14 22:59:25

They say most people make their minds up within the first 30seconds, tbh, so 3 times does seem excessive.

For me - first property - once
2nd property - once
3rd property - we did go back for a second poke around as it's a very old house and it was way above what we'd wanted to spend, but in truth we knew it was the one within 5mins of stepping inside.

I'm not sure what you'd see in a 3rd viewing that you wouldn't see in a 2nd, although I can see that a 2nd would be valuable.

We only viewed our current one once, but it is a modern house, so there isn't much to do other than cosmetic things (like a new kitchen, which we knew we would want from our first viewing because the old one is horrible). We had looked at about 12 houses before this one. One of them we had two viewings, but that was because we were undecided due to the unusual layout and we couldn't quite get the feel of the layout from just looking at floor plans. If there are considerable works to be done or structural issues, you might be reasonable to take someone along for a second viewing to give an estimate of costs to take into account when you make an offer.

In the end, you either want the house or don't. People seem to spend ages looking at trivial details of houses - like are the sockets in the right places. You need to think about what genuinely matters to you and ignore the trivial because you won't find a house that ticks all of the minor boxes.

You also need to think about how desperate you are to buy and what supply is like in your area. When we viewed our houses initially we were interested in finding the "right" house. This went on for a couple of years. By the time we found our current house, we had a 3 month old DD and were ready to compromise more. With the benefit of hindsight, if we had been in the compromise zone earlier, we would probably have bought sooner - 2 or 3 of the 12 would have been acceptable. I'm not sorry that we waited, but if you are in a rising market then you may well get less than you initially intended due to waiting.

Once. Looked around for 20 mins and put in an offer half an hour later. I think 2 is perfectly reasonable though.

splasheeny Tue 14-Jan-14 23:13:51

Once, then offer on the spot.

In today's market if you wait then the good properties will be snatched up.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

plecofjustice Tue 14-Jan-14 23:15:46

Once - it's London. Go back for a second viewing and you've lost it

WhenWhyWhere Tue 14-Jan-14 23:19:27

4 times. It was really difficult getting access as there were tenants in the house but there was no way I way going to spend a kazillion pounds and not be certain of what we were doing. The EA knew we were serious and were very accommodating.

I'd walk away rather than be rushed into a purchase.

CleverClod Tue 14-Jan-14 23:35:09

I'd walk away if the sellers were jittery/ wouldn't allow me to visit more than twice.

Why not?

What were they hoping I wouldn't see?

If I'm going yo spend £2/3/400,000 then damn right I want to see it as many times as it takes.

3 is not too much.

SilverOldie Tue 14-Jan-14 23:46:14

Once. As soon as I walked in I knew I wanted to buy it and gave the EA my offer when we got in the car outside.

BackforGood Tue 14-Jan-14 23:46:51

I think it's about how much effort it is to get your house looking spick and span for a viewing, when you are actually living there too. Yes - view in the first place, fine to come back then (maybe with a friend or relative as another pair of eyes) and yes, at that point poke around all you want and ask whatever questions you want, but it does become time wasting if you then start asking for 3rd viewings, IMO.

Once- we knew the area (it's a very quiet road so no traffic)
This was 23 years ago when the market was a bit meh and interest rates IIRC 18% shock

Once, both times I have bought a place. The EA thinks you are time-wasters or really indecisive.

drbonnieblossman Tue 14-Jan-14 23:57:57

so people spend longer doing their food shop than viewing a house with the intention of spending a few hundred thousand? and I thought I did strange things.

op, yanbu.

willyoulistentome Tue 14-Jan-14 23:59:20

Twice at very least.

aquashiv Wed 15-Jan-14 00:00:15

YOu go as often as you want but there is no such thing as the perfect house. I think you know the minute you walk through the door if it could be home.

Bootycall Wed 15-Jan-14 00:00:55

got to be honest, not a fan of vendors who keep wanting to pop back to the house and bloody worse bring mummy and daddy too!

view the area definatly at different times but the house twice the limit.

after all you have the details, the survey etc.

3 times would seem flaky and rude to me as it's an effort to get a house tidy for viewing.

MmeLindor Wed 15-Jan-14 00:05:41

Once. But we know the area and my parents live in similar house down the road.

Twice is ok, but find 3x a bit much.

It's quite a disruption, having to get everything looking perfect for buyers to look at.

Stokes Wed 15-Jan-14 00:06:24

Just put an offer on a house this evening after s second viewing. First one we saw the layout, got the general vibe. This evening we brought a relative who's an engineer, checked out the measurements for the main rooms, whether the work we want to do is feasible etc. Market reasonably stagnant here so we can take our time.

If I'm about to offer my life savings for a house I may live in forever I'm damn well going to check everything and not worry about wasting the EA's it vendor's time.

Nandocushion Wed 15-Jan-14 00:07:13

Twice, but that was because DH couldn't come with me first time.

Are these with the same EA each time?

ouryve Wed 15-Jan-14 00:09:17

Have offered on houses 3 times in my life, all on a second viewing. Unless you live somewhere where there is so much demand that a second viewing would waste time, it's perfectly acceptable to do a viewing without the rose tinted specs on before you offer to part with hard borrowed cash. After all, it's not just your own time you're trying not to waste.

wobblyweebles Wed 15-Jan-14 00:10:23

We viewed this house three times. Once I viewed it. Then I took DH. Then I took my MIL and her friend who happened to be in town.

We were the only people interested so the vendor was keen to tidy up and get out so we could look round.

Worked out well for him in the end.

wobblyweebles Wed 15-Jan-14 00:11:04

And actually we then rented the house for several months before we were in a position to buy it, so I was really really sure by the time we did put in an offer.

ouryve Wed 15-Jan-14 00:11:56

In the case of a house needing a lot of work, i might have done a first viewing alone, second with a partner or relative and 3rd with a builder, mind. Full structural surveys cost a bomb!

sleepyhead Wed 15-Jan-14 00:19:03

Once. I knew the area very, very well though. It was actually better than I remembered once we moved in (thank god!) grin

We were in a fairly unusual position though in that we wanted to stay in the area so were very limited in the properties we were looking at, and also moved extremely quickly. 6 weeks between putting our flat on the market, selling it, getting an offer accepted on this place and moving in.

Our buyer viewed our place once as well.

ouryve Wed 15-Jan-14 00:20:05

We walked away from a seemingly good house because the vendors had a very narrow time slot for viewing and it was off the beaten track which meant I couldn't visit without DH. If they weren't that eager to market, at a time when prices were rapidly rising, then I didn't trust them to go through with selling.

sleepyhead Wed 15-Jan-14 00:20:59

YANBU, btw. Normally I'd have viewed more than once. Probably only twice though.

Fancyashandy Wed 15-Jan-14 00:23:20

Twice.

MidniteScribbler Wed 15-Jan-14 05:00:53

Viewing four times when the house has tenants in it shock. If there are tenants, then people should be even more aware of how much of an imposition it is to have constant viewings, and someone coming back four times is just downright rude. You may want to buy a house, but they have the right to have their lives minimally disrupted during the process. I would actually refuse to sell to a buyer who thought it was ok to do this, as they will obviously be rude and inconsiderate in other aspects of the sale as well.

Dolcelatte Wed 15-Jan-14 05:51:42

Once. It had just come on the market, but there were already others after it. Went home after viewing and offered the asking price.

Our sellers were remarkably decent as one of the other viewers (who had already been round twice) subsequently offered £250k more, but they stuck with us even though they didn't need to!

LtEveDallas Wed 15-Jan-14 06:17:06

We've just offered on a house we've seen once. We wanted to see another house for a second viewing at the same time, but the vendor couldn't make time for us. Her loss, we offered on the other house the next day (and they accepted yesterday!). I honestly think that had we been able to pitch the two houses against each other we probably would have offered on the one we saw before Xmas.

All the houses we've ever bought have been offered on after one viewing.
The house we are currently living in belongs to my parents. I know they regret buying if after coming round once, in the dark.
There were a lot of things cosmetically wrong with it and they spent hours filling in bits of woodwork with parrot bites out of it.
IMO, two viewings is about right.

ZillionChocolate Wed 15-Jan-14 06:32:26

Twice for everything that led to an offer. Plus a load of stalking, driving by at various times.

iliketea Wed 15-Jan-14 06:35:11

DH did 3, I did 2 of the house we're buying. It was empty and water turned off so my 2nd viewing (and DHs 3rd) was to check that the heating worked and all the taps/showers worked and to check all the windows and doors opened properly (after having problems in a house we previously bought). EA and vendor both happy to let us do this because we were clearly serious buyers (plus no chain and wanted to move quickly).

Iheartcustardcreams Wed 15-Jan-14 06:36:18

First house twice. Current house put offer in after first viewing and then went to view again a few days after offer was accepted. I would expect 2 viewings and would probably be annoyed with 3!

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Wed 15-Jan-14 06:45:40

Twice is ok.
3 times would make me concerned that the viewers were disorganised - they should have at least a mental checklist of what they're after in a property and if they can't get that detail from 2 viewings, I would have confidence that they'd be straightforward buyers. I'd think they'd be the type to cause fussy delays and quibble over teeny tiny details.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Wed 15-Jan-14 06:46:15

wouldn't have confidence

Ragwort Wed 15-Jan-14 06:50:16

Three times for the house we are now living in (with a year's gap in between grin - luckily for us it was still on the market!).

I don't think 3 or even 4 times is OTT when you are making such a huge investment, and for the vendor to say they can only look round for 5 minutes is totally unreasonable. I was quite surprised when we sold our previous home as the buyers only looked round once and never came back to check any details, ask for information - but the sale went through.

psynl Wed 15-Jan-14 06:55:30

Zero! First saw this house the day we got keys. Husband had been for one viewing. We did the same with our last house.

brettgirl2 Wed 15-Jan-14 06:55:41

This one twice as we had one or two doubts but I don't think ea is unreasonable to ask about offer as their job is to sell houses. Surely you view a second time because you are seriously interested?

I have been to first viewings alone with the idea of dh coming if it looks ok to me. But for the second time today I thankfully don't live in London.

Plateofcrumbs Wed 15-Jan-14 07:00:22

Our sellers were remarkably decent as one of the other viewers (who had already been round twice) subsequently offered £250k more, but they stuck with us even though they didn't need to!

250k?! Bloody hell Dolcelatte how much was your house worth?! We dropped an offer we has accepted when selling our last place for the sake of £12k, but a) it was only 24hrs later b) I didn't have a good vibe about the first set of buyers and c) the estate agents had not been completely transparent (they assured is they had obtained final offers from everyone who had already viewed but this wasn't the case). And at the end of the day, sod ethics, £12k is hell of a lot of money to me!!

Back on topic: we viewed our current place once, in the dark. We hadn't even set eyes on the back garden until the day we moved in. We intended to view a second time but this is London and we'd have lost it if we waited It was also the only property we viewed. No regrets though!

It is however completely insane the way the market works. I have literally spent more time choosing a pair of shoes than buying a house. YANBU to view more than once.

ProfPlumSpeaking Wed 15-Jan-14 07:18:42

This is the biggest purchase you are likely to make in your life. Of course you should go to visit several times - different times of day, talk to the neighbours, take along a friend/relative for a second opinion. I am amazed when people buy with less attention than they would pay to a minor purchase. I admit, OTOH that it is different in a fast rising market where time is of the essence. You need to schmooze your EA, I reckon, galling as that may be. Having the EA on side is your best strategy.

Also, if you know the area/road/building very well already then one visit may be enough.

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 07:51:14

I agree it's really bizarre.

We've just offered and I've only seen it once, took about 10 minutes with the EA. another family member went and saw it then, and we put in the offer based on that. The other person has since seen it again and met the vendor.

We are buying as a family but I'll be the one living there and am a bit worried that I haven't really got any idea what I'm getting into.

It seems so bonkers not to be able to go in for a proper, proper look with a tape measure and to be able to pook under the edge of the carpets, and behind the cooker for an idea how the pipes are arranged and to test the windows etc.

Have had a survey but they aren't detailed enough really. Also I was lucky to meet some of the neighbours when I drove by to measure for a new letter box (which is missing) but they could have been awful, it's very worrying not to have a better idea of a place.

Still. I suppose that's how it is these days.

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 07:52:01

look, not pook. I'm not so sure that would be reasonable whatever it is

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 07:53:58

Oh and I took a tape measure once to another property - the agent seemed a bit put out that I took about 15 minutes to measure stuff and ask a few more questions...it needed massive amounts of work, the kitchen was about 4ft x 2ft, whole place in a state..

We would have offered but the lease was only 57 years and they could not get hold of the freeholder to discuss terms. Not our fault.

WhereIsMyHat Wed 15-Jan-14 08:03:14

We viewed ours twice maybe even three times. The current system where we live is a open house on a Saturday, sealed bids by Monday. Lots don't even make it to the open market.

LottieJenkins Wed 15-Jan-14 08:20:01

We bought without an EA and sold without one too. The guy who we bought our house from lived across the road and was selling his gp's house in a road round the corner. We looked at it once with my Dad and the seller was late. Dad leant on the brick gatepost which promptly moved. Dad looked at DH and I and said "Lets hope the rest of the house is more solid!!" We then looked again with a friend who was an EA. Dad made an offer £3,500 under the asking price (he was an excellent negotiator) and it was accepted. Dad and my sister bought our house as a buy to let. We completed in June and moved in August as the vendor wanted to finish decorating and putting carpets in first!!

AnneElliott Wed 15-Jan-14 08:25:49

Once before we offered. We went back again to chat to vendor a couple of things before exchange.

It is madness that people would get so snippy about someone wanting to see something that they are going to drop multiple hundred thousands on. I've gone back to see a bottle of nail varnish more times than some of you would allow for a buyer to see your house.

PeterAndresSprayTanner Wed 15-Jan-14 08:39:12

Previous properties bought on one viewing. However if we end up moving please God I would view the property itself twice. I'd spend more time visiting the area at various times of the day in order to get a feel for the place.

The idea that you are supposed to spend less time considering a house purchase, than the car you buy, is utterly ridiculous!

Faithless12 Wed 15-Jan-14 08:43:22

I think it depends entirely, if you are putting the owners out several times and you aren't sure, i.e. are just there to nose several times YABU. We viewed a place twice before deciding we liked it but were already 'sure' iFYSWIM but we had someone viewing our house 7 times, which is bloody excessive especially if you then complain about the owners showing you around the 7th time.

HomeIsWhereTheGinIs Wed 15-Jan-14 10:46:52

Once, for all three of the places I've bought in the last two years. I'm in SW London and the market is brutal, houses go within hours and lots never make it to advertising websites etc. What do you really need to know other than that you like the house and you know what work needs to be done? You can always send a builder around without you but as a vendor I've always lost patience with people that hem and haw. In London, if you're not committed after a maximum of two visits, I would doubt you'd go through with the purchase.

ohhifruit Wed 15-Jan-14 11:04:30

Bootycall We're certainly not bringing out mummy and daddy along to check any property. We are however planning to bring a builder to our second viewing as the roof is an issue and we would want to move some walls. The idea of this seemed to make the EA implode into his ugly suit.

breathe slowly Different EAs and one 6 months ago was a different town. So we're hardly notorious for viewing houses for entertainment.

The market in the area we want to buy is slow moving and this house has been on since last May.

I do think it is a weird system (the whole system of house buying not just viewing)and spending longer deciding on a bottle or wine, nail polish or shoes is mind bending when you step away from it for a few seconds.

I can totally understand the hassle the vendors suffer with keeping their house tidy and that it is their home.
Maybe there should be a formal arrangement of say, being allowed to view a house for a total of 1 hour across a max of 3 viewings. That way at least you're getting everything checked and everyone you want to see it (people in the trade etc.) in and done and you never have to go back to measure up for curtains, letterboxes, blah blah blah.
This is obviously just wishful thinking.

ProfPlumSpeaking Wed 15-Jan-14 11:16:40

The thing is that EAs work on turnover - they are not really interested in getting the highest price for a house for the vendor, and nor are they really interested in allowing a buyer several looks at a property, especially not with a builder, as they might change their minds. One day there will be a better system for selling houses.

ohhifruit Wed 15-Jan-14 11:19:50

profplumspeaking roll on that day!

melika Wed 15-Jan-14 11:22:32

Twice.

Twice. The first time it was dark and I wanted to see it again by day light. But I went from the second viewing to the EAs to sign the form to reserve it and paid the deposit then and there. And it was the only place that I went to view.
But I had been looking through the adverts and websites for a couple of years, and it was the first place that ticked every box for me. I live in an area with very low turnover and places get snapped up quite quickly so I needed to move fast.

NinjaBunny Wed 15-Jan-14 11:49:06

the vendors said our second viewing could only be for 5 minutes

Then the only response is, "Okay. We won't bother then."

confused

Obviously they're hiding something and the longer you stay there's more risk of you noticing.

Personally wouldn't be touching it with a barge pole..!

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 11:50:23

I think twice should be perfectly adequate if you have an empty property and the EA holds the keys, so you can really get an idea of the state of it without worrying about upsetting the vendor or disturbing their stuff.

But those are the ones you're least likely to feel unsure about as you'll have had a proper look when you first saw them.

Where we're going is still occupied so I couldn't start lifting up carpets or moving their furniture around. It is really hard to know what you're getting into when it's still someone else's home.

You have to rely on trust far more - something I learned was a mistake when I bought my first used car.

Houses cost many more times that and yet, we have to just go on what the vendor tells us. It's ridiculous.

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 11:54:11

I agree Ninja - I'd have walked too.

In fact yesterday we had an appt to view another property - arranged the day before - (we're still looking just in case it falls through) and when we got there, and waited in the cold for half an hour, no one turned up.

It hadn't been properly arranged by the agents, the vendor was messing them about, and they had tried to call an hour or so before the viewing to cancel, but I'd already left by then.

I was so pissed off. We spoke again, the agent then rang me back on the wrong phone (which I didn't have with me - she knew this) and left a message saying that they would get hold of the keys from the vendor, so we could go and disturb the tenants without an appointment.

Needless to say I don't have the time, energy or patience to deal with an incompetent agent or a stupid vendor, so if they call me again I shall make this clear and they can try their luck with a different buyer.

EasterHoliday Wed 15-Jan-14 11:54:55

I once bought a flat after a 10 minute scoot around it. I lived on the road already and my friend lived next door so I knew the basics and layout. What I missed in my 10 minute scoot about was teh condition and the day I moved in revealed a series of real disappointments - fitted carpet hacked away in one corner of a room where a fitted wardrobe used to be, and cornice and skirting board also missing there. Sash windows that didn't work. bare plaster in the bathroom. ludicrous heating system and non-functioning radiators. Unsafe boiler.
Now, I'd crawl over the place, flushing loos, turning on showers, getting an electrician and plumber to go in if necessary. If that's too much hassle for an owner or estate agent, they can get f&cked and find some other sucker to give them 0,000,000's

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 11:56:14

Easter - our survey was quite good in the sense that he mentioned the toilet handle falling off grin

I'm after getting a new loo anyway at some point but still, it made me laugh.

Never, we bought off plan grin.
Seriously though, when I sell, I like people to come in love it, make an offer, 2nd viewing is fine. If people dither around at viewings and have that mentality then they always have the potential to pull out.
Have you not watched Location, Location, Location, people look at 80 properties but can't fine the right one, they always pull out when they do find "the one". Some people just can make decisions.

EasterHoliday Wed 15-Jan-14 11:59:40

We bought the current place after the vendor spent an hour with us, demonstrated things like the built in coffee machine and built in hoover system. She totally passed on the love. An estate agent could never have done that. I rather feel for her that she had to pay the feckless wastrels who sent us round with the saturday girl who wouldn't even open the garage to show it to us - "is it really important?"

Just to add to my last post I don't mind the first or second viewing taking time, a longer viewing also makes a viewer look serious about the property. I am in and out in 3 minutes if I don't like a property.

tiredoutgran Wed 15-Jan-14 12:07:03

Biggest purchase of our lives and we spend such a short time viewing in order to make that decision! I spend longer choosing a car than I ever have when looking around a house. I think first time around you don't really look for things that would cause concern, so second and maybe third viewings give you a chance to see beyond room layout and sizes and pick out obvious failings.

PunkHedgehog Wed 15-Jan-14 12:33:42

Twice, with the second being a very detailed look that takes an hour or so. A 5 minute 2nd viewing would be utterly pointless.

I'd do a 3rd viewing if the second threw up a specific issue that I wanted to get a specialist in to check - in that case I'd probably put in a conditional offer after the 2nd viewing and confirm it after the 3rd.

I'm trying to sell my house and it's soul destroying. I've had people come round who then reject it for reasons such as room size or layout (clearly shown on the brochure), not in the catchment area of their preferred school (why not check with the school beforehand?!), not enough room for their horses (it says how much land there is on the brochure), or location (look on Google Earth perhaps?!). All I ask is that viewers do a little homework before viewing, and that they have a clear idea of what sort of property they're after. I've had viewers not know what sort of property they're after, which isn't great considering mine isn't a standard terrace on an estate but an individual property in the countryside. I do the viewings, happy to do so as I know my house best (and it's more practical for various reasons), and they can take as long as they like looking around. But I'm self employed and every viewing costs me money in lost earnings so I want viewers to be serious.

I would hope a vendor knows beforehand that my place ticks the boxes that are important to them and are really viewing to see if the "feel" of the place suits them too. By all means come back for a 2nd viewing (with relevant people in tow) to check for nasties and to ensure their stuff fits, but I'd wonder why they'd need a 3rd visit after that really. If they weren't sure about the place after 2 leisurely viewings and a detailed brochure I'd be getting worried TBH, but would show them round a 3rd time. Any more than that though and I'd be thinking they could be a total PITA with every tiny detail throughout the sale. I know someone who has taken 6 years to find a property because she was so fussy, yet her new place isn't even her forever home.confused Some people would be better off building their own property so every tiny detail is to their satisfaction!

Joysmum Wed 15-Jan-14 12:59:47

I've bought 3 houses in the past 4 years and offered after the second viewing and had vendors who were happy to let me do more detailed viewing after the offer so I could arrange for the builders to get started ASAP after purchase (but to let properties). Mind you, they knew we were good buyers who would complete the sale.

2rebecca Wed 15-Jan-14 13:00:52

Once or twice. If we like somewhere we're fairly thorough with our viewing though

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 13:20:11

If you can offer a buyer an hour long second viewing then they shouldn't need a third.

Trouble is a lot of agents won't do this - you get an awkward 10 minutes with them standing their checking their phone and looking cross.

Start questioning anything (like, what is this big bunch of bare electrical wires doing behind this cupboard?) and they clam up.

It's hopeless, you feel so unwelcome that you just think fuck it.

I would have loved an hour long second viewing.

ohhifruit Wed 15-Jan-14 13:27:03

Rooners This is exactly it, the agent makes you feel so unwelcome and like you're out of your mind for asking questions. Last week when we viewed this house for the first time I asked 3 questions
"Do you know how old the boiler is?"
"Is the ceiling rose/skirting/picture rail original?"
And best yet "Are the vendors actively looking for a house?"
All to be met with raised eyebrows and "that would be for your sol to ask during searches."
WTF?

shoofly Wed 15-Jan-14 13:46:15

Ok I thought you were being a bit unreasonable but after your last post you're not at all. I think 2 viewings are probably enough, 3 if you are 99% and just want to check something but if the Ea can't even answer those basic questions he's an arse and I'd tell him so - I wouldn't be making an offer and instructing a solicitor just to find out info that a vendor or ea should be able to give you. I think it's time to get arsey with the ea

wimblehorse Wed 15-Jan-14 13:56:10

Once. Then brought dh along for the second viewing after they'd accepted my offer.

Did the same on a previous house that fell through as the vendors decided they'd sold too low.

Was the only way to go here at the time as "good" properties were sold as soon as they went on the market (or sooner!). Took me a while to figure that out - once they were on Rightmove they were either sold or overpriced... Fortunately DH & I had looked at enough houses together for me to be confident he would agree with me!

Here in Perth, Australia it seems to be a 15 min Open House with potentially dozens of other people and you virtually make an offer on the spot for c. $600k for a 4 bed house. shock
Thank goodness we're renting!

wimblehorse Wed 15-Jan-14 13:58:17

Having said that, the people who bought our old house had one 5 minute viewing (she came first, then he came later that day). He came back with a builder after getting the survey through. Then they moved in 4 months after her first & only viewing - that seemed crazy to me at the time & I felt (still do) v v guilty at the things that I am sure they would have missed on a first viewing that they wish they had picked up on...

Orangeisthenewbanana Wed 15-Jan-14 13:58:58

I would say twice is perfectly reasonable, more if major work is likely to need doing.

mateysmum Wed 15-Jan-14 14:03:59

Sounds like the EA's in your area are not up to much. I think in London you may only have chance for 1 viewing, but in a "normal" market, I would always make 2 viewings before making an offer. After looking for 2 yrs I fell in love and decided to buy my current house within about 20 seconds, but still came back for a 2nd long, hard look before offering. Listen to Kirstie and Phil - the second viewing is about head not heart.

I was blessed to deal with some very professional and patient agents in my search - they do exist. It's always worth making your number with the key EAs and letting them know you are a serious buyer, in a position to proceed.

You are spending 100's of 1000's of course you should view twice. 3 times is OK if you have a particular issue, but do it repeatedly and the EAs will thing you are extracting the Michael.

higgle Wed 15-Jan-14 14:07:09

Once for every house we have owned except this one. We viewed this one several times as it was the show house for a group of 6 and we could just trek in and out to our heart's content while we made our mind up. We had never lived in a new house before ( previous two both over 300 years old) so it was more a case of hanging about in it and seeing if we could ever see it as home.

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 14:23:31

I knew as soon as I saw it on RM that it would tick most of our boxes and then again, walking around it, that it was the best we were going to get for the price.

It's just the other stuff.

And if you get arsey at the EA then you risk their treating you like rubbish in return (unless they are already anyway).

I think all you can sensibly do in a competitive market is to offer, then get your further viewings, then withdraw your offer if it doesn't hold up to initial impressions.

Which feels like wasting everyone's time but when you are faced with that or losing it before you've even seen it twice, you're kind of stuffed whatever you do.

It doesn't sound like they want to sell their house. If my house had been on the market since May, I would be very keen for you to do a second viewing.

Blondeshavemorefun Wed 15-Jan-14 16:24:53

i viewed our house 3 times, once with me, then dh came along (he left the checking out to me, and said when you like a house i will come) and once put offer in we went again to measure up etc

skaen Wed 15-Jan-14 16:46:06

The first flat we bought, we didn't see at all! We had spent a few weekends wandering around the area, we knew there was a block of flats we liked and we knew which size we wanted - all substantially the same layout. One EA had a 2 bed flat on the market in that block which was £10k cheaper than any other flat on the market at the time as it needed some cosmetic work. The EA was so horrifed that we put in the offer without seeing it, she arranged a viewing with us on the Sunday (office usually closed) and spent some time showing us round the block and hte area - she had lived there for a while and that made it a lot easier.

2 viewings second time round.

When we were selling, we knew the people booking in for 3rd/4th viewings probably wouldn't buy. In the end it went to a lady who put in an asking price offer on her first viewing! She's still there 4 years later so she must like it...

Rooners Wed 15-Jan-14 17:00:03

I'm desperate to measure up. I have drawn an accurate floor plan, well as accurate as I can but there are things like chimney breasts and fireplaces, and cupboards and so on and I can't guess at the exact sizes from the photos - and you know when you have furniture that needs an alcove to go in, or at least something that will fit in the alcoves - this is an issue.

We've so much furniture from donkeys years of renting that it's not a case of 'move in then buy stuff' - we have to fit in as we are.

Spottybra Wed 15-Jan-14 17:03:14

Once, but it was the top end of our budget and didn't need any work so we could start a family straight away.

Next time will be twice though at least as we will be pricing up building works.

daisychain01 Wed 15-Jan-14 17:27:57

2-3 times maximum visits/property is a reasonable / average number.

Once people have exchanged, they may need to revisit to do things like measuring up for curtains etc - by then everyone is really happy that exchange has gone through and are more relaxed.

on the other hand, I do 'get it' how stressful it is having people invade their home (sometimes people instruct their SA to limit the number of visits) - unfortunately there is no perfect solution to that, it's an awful lot of money to spend, you do need to feel 100% certain you are making the right choice. I always think once you have put your house on the market, it isn't your home any more, time to detach emotionally.

Out of the 4 properties I have bought, I have known 100% within 5 minutes whether it was the one for me. Goodness knows how I know, there is just something I can feel (my current home, I said to my DP the first time we drove up - yup this is the one - we were parked over the road! He thought I was crazy!). Of course it does then depend on a positive survey.

JanetAndRoy Wed 15-Jan-14 17:35:40

We're looking now, and most houses we see twice. Mostly because DH cannot get time off for weekday viewings. So I do the leg work and do a first viewing in the week, and if I like it & think DH will we'll make another appointment for him to see it.
We send a LOT of time on rightmove!

tobiasfunke Wed 15-Jan-14 17:58:08

Twice. I'm on my 4th property and I'm always amazed how different a house seems compared to the first view. Second viewing should be a good long one with tape measure and notepad. If somene viewed our house 3 times I'd think they were very unsure and probably a no go but I'd still let them. The EA is being a cheeky barsteward- it's in his best interests to keep you happy.

whatever5 Wed 15-Jan-14 18:18:13

Two viewings is reasonable/sensible. I think three times is excessive though. I don't think anyone has done that when we were selling a house. Most people are a bit more organised and can work out what needs doing etc. after two visits.

1974rach Wed 15-Jan-14 18:35:41

We had a lady view our house three times and after much faffing about with her two friends on the third viewing she decided not to put in an offer as the house was too small.

It had obviously shrunk in the time between her and the EA viewing, her viewing again and her mates all popping round. I wouldn't care but they ate all my bloody jaffa cakes on the third viewing!

whatsagoodusername Wed 15-Jan-14 18:44:32

We're buying now and put the offer in after one viewing, which was an open house with a dozen other people. We probably spent 20-30 minutes looking around though. We are local, so know the area so that wasn't a concern.

I would have liked another look, but we only got it because we got in first. If we had tried an additional viewing, it would have been gone (London).

We have been back twice now, once just to look again and once with an electrician, and we are happier with it now than when we offered.

LilyTheSavage Wed 15-Jan-14 19:42:26

Once on my own, second time with DH and we put an offer in there and then (which was accepted) and then I viewed a third time with a friend to measure up. The EA was more than happy to oblige.

Truffkin Wed 15-Jan-14 19:54:19

Surely it depends on so many variables, the house itself, whether it will need work, the market, how well you know the area and other houses.

We have recently started viewing properties and one potential contender would need a lot of work. I should imagine we would need at least 3 viewings to work out whether it would work out as we will need to arrange for various trades people to meet us there to quote for work.

I have never known any EA to be funny about a second viewing and find it really quite strange! First viewings tend to be when you are seeing a fair few houses then the second viewing is when you've narrowed it down and are doing more measuring, will stuff fit in, how much decorating would we have to do (etc.)

YATNBU

coco44 Wed 15-Jan-14 19:55:44

once.All 3 times

JumpJockey Wed 15-Jan-14 19:58:28

I was doing all first viewings myself (on mat leave) sonanything DH came to see was already a second viewing. This one we came back third time with a builder to get an idea of how much the various repairs would cost, so just like Truffkin said above.

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