AIBU to hate when people add ',no?' to the end of sentences!

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HappyGirlNow Tue 14-Jan-14 08:40:17

I may well be and I'm finding it hard to articulate why I hate it but loads of posters do this and I find it exceptionally annoying! It's just not how English sentences should be structured!

Examples: 'But it's cold there this time of year, no?'
'You should have said something at the time, no?'

AIBU???

LadyMaryofDownton Tue 14-Jan-14 08:44:46

Really? I've never heard anyone say that YANBU how annoying. It's as bad as "do you know what I mean?, like".

HappyGirlNow Tue 14-Jan-14 08:46:51

I could link to multiple threads on AIBU right now with this LadyMary

NigellasDealer Tue 14-Jan-14 08:48:00

but it is normal, no? grin

(I see your point it is fucking annoying, no?)

It annoys me but nowhere near as much as not.

"He's so handsome - not!" Aaaaaaargh!

CoteDAzur Tue 14-Jan-14 08:48:38

YABU, no?

AtYourCervix Tue 14-Jan-14 08:52:18

N.U.

I also hate on eastenders where every character starts every sentence with 'Yeah'

'How are you?'
'Yeah. Good"

'What are you doing Phil?'
''Yeah, just having a nap'

'Where's soandso going?'
'Yeah, up the west en'.

Etc.

BlueStones Tue 14-Jan-14 08:54:31

Agreed; it's annoying. Along with my other pet hate, the passive aggressive "Um". If a sentence starts with an "Um." and finishes with a "no?" then I cannot continue the conversation.

SharpLily Tue 14-Jan-14 09:08:12

I'm guilty of this and admit it's annoying - but in my defence I use three languages in my daily life and am not always good at separating them, and in one of them this is a completely normal way to finish a sentence.

However the Eastenders 'yeah' does make me want to throw things at the telly.

HappyGirlNow Tue 14-Jan-14 09:27:44

Valid reason SharpLilygrin

LCHammer Tue 14-Jan-14 09:30:40

Hate is a bit strong, no?

It makes me think if the German sentence ending 'Oder?'

Only1scoop Tue 14-Jan-14 09:32:13

Dp and his family use "don't you think" at the end of each sentence....makes me twitch confused

KirstyJC Tue 14-Jan-14 09:33:39

Ooh this gets my goat too! I always picture someone saying it in a really patronising voice with the head tilt as well. Grrr

How do you feel about people not finishing sentences after they say 'or'? REALLY pisses me off - DH does this all the time. eg 'shall we have chips for tea or.......' or maybe ''Shall we go out now or......' OR WHAT! FINISH YOUR SENTENCE YOU LAZY BASTARD!!!

I now refuse to answer unless he give a second option.

LCHammer Tue 14-Jan-14 09:34:38

My children start every sentence with 'basically'. I don't correct them but I hope this phase passes soon.

LittleBearPad Tue 14-Jan-14 09:35:59

Yep, YANBU. It's very irritating.

not because an old boyfriend used to do it at all. GRRR

HappyGirlNow Tue 14-Jan-14 09:40:51

grin Kirsty

BuntCadger Tue 14-Jan-14 09:48:15

to each, their own, no? wink wink

I loathe this and it makes me irrationally livid.

YANBU.

hoobypickypicky Tue 14-Jan-14 10:02:24

"My children start every sentence with 'basically'."

ARGH, yes!

I suppose I should be grateful that I'm not the only parent who's pulling her hair out at that.

My other pet hate is the word "like" at the end of each sentence when it has no right to be there, as in "Where's he from, like?". It seems to be a northern thing, I don't know any southerners who say it.

Latara Tue 14-Jan-14 10:05:08

Ending a sentence in '',no?'' is very annoying. It makes me not want to listen to what the person is saying - It sounds sarcastic IMO.

YANBU.

My grandma does the 'no?' thing and it does get on my tits. I just pretend to be confused and say 'oh... isn't it?'

She's always done it and is pretty sharp for her advanced age so I'm not being cruel btw smile

MaidOfStars Tue 14-Jan-14 10:17:07

I do this. For me, it is a means of seeking (or, less pleasantly, forcing) agreement with the preceding sentence, when I am looking for clarity or affirmation on the point being made. It creates a question from what might be assumed to be an assertion.

Use of 'no?' is inviting dissent; it is slightly deferential. I also finish some sentence-questions with 'yes?', to indicate that I'm more positive of the truth of the statement but still recognising possible inaccuracy.

newyearhere Tue 14-Jan-14 10:17:15

People are too lazy to say "isn't it?"

Crowler Tue 14-Jan-14 10:19:28

This doesn't bother me. It's sort of a way of saying "do you agree?".

It's not terribly pervasive and seems fairly correct in the grammatical sense, no?

newyearhere Tue 14-Jan-14 10:28:05

I can't stand "don't you think?"

It's the sentences that start with "So" for no reason at all that I find a bit confused
"So, DP and I were..."
"So, we were at the shops the other day..."
Huh?

TimeToPassGo Tue 14-Jan-14 10:45:55

I have never heard a native speaker say that. It sounds really pretentious! Can understand a non - native speaker saying it.

ginslinger Tue 14-Jan-14 10:48:07

Do you find some people get really out there and add foreign words, non?

HellonHeels Tue 14-Jan-14 10:51:17

What about "non?" That's even more annoying, non?

Lazysuzanne Tue 14-Jan-14 10:51:43

It's surely not as bad as rising inflection?

HellonHeels Tue 14-Jan-14 10:52:19

Whoops ridiculous X post with Gin

Can you really end a German sentence with "oder"?

I don't mind it; because I see it as more than just the word 'no' I suppose. When I see it I always imagine the writer tilting their head sideways and looking pointedly at whoever they are addressing.

HoratiaDrelincourt Tue 14-Jan-14 11:02:23

"... , oder?" is definitely normal German although might be regional. I know southern.

"... , no?" I hear mostly in Scotland so I am prepared to defend it on the grounds of regional variation too.

"Basically..." means "This is more complicated than necessary and I may be remembering wrong and/or filling in the gaps with fiction".

"Obviously..." means "I am definitely not sure about this but don't have the confidence to say so."

"Apparently..." means "this is a total work of fiction, but plausible, which is near enough."

I find 'right?' at the end of the sentence, said with a grating inflection rage-inducing

"I know, right?"

"It tastes good, right?"

Fuck off, you are from North East England, not America.

Lazysuzanne Tue 14-Jan-14 11:05:39

Sometimes there is a slightly menacing 'yeah?' at the end of a sentence, indicating that there may be trouble if you don't concur

HappyGirlNow Tue 14-Jan-14 11:06:28

Horatia I am Scottish and know people from all over Scotland and I've never heard anyone say ',no?' in real life.

Crowler Tue 14-Jan-14 11:15:30

I'm getting a lot of "I know, right?" from my 11 year old. Trying not to censure it - I think he feels it's subtle and I feel a bit mean stomping on it.

Crowler Tue 14-Jan-14 11:15:56

In fairness he my 11 year old does identify as American.

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CalamityKate Tue 14-Jan-14 11:22:29

Crowler - I've got a 10 year old who does the "I know, right??" thing. Too many kids American shows like iCarly hmm

drbonnieblossman Tue 14-Jan-14 11:23:11

oh yes, "non". probably used by someone who also says they are going to Pareee" for the weekend in a French accent.

We can forgive the kids for the Americanisms. The people getting my goat are mid-thirties ladies!

MaidOfStars Tue 14-Jan-14 11:53:23

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Scarletohello Tue 14-Jan-14 11:57:13

If you were French, this would be perfectly normal, ne c'est pas?

LCHammer Tue 14-Jan-14 12:25:28

I've heard the '..., oder?' in German. I don't speak the language but used to understand some many years ago.

chocoluvva Tue 14-Jan-14 12:30:41

YANBU

(I am Scottish too.)

drbonnieblossman Tue 14-Jan-14 12:34:49

yes, switched off at the mains clearly - what's your point maid?

ginslinger Tue 14-Jan-14 12:35:25

great minds HellonHeels, non? grin

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drbonnieblossman Tue 14-Jan-14 12:49:21

yes, switched off at the mains clearly - what's your point maid?

drbonnieblossman Tue 14-Jan-14 12:49:22

yes, switched off at the mains clearly - what's your point maid?

lougle Tue 14-Jan-14 12:50:21

'...., no?' = 'Is this not the case?'

'...., yes?' = 'have I understood this correctly?'

'Basically....' = either 'To put it simply, ....' or 'I don't really understand this myself, so I'm going to say something really long-winded that isn't basic at all and will confuse us both.'

'

newyearhere Tue 14-Jan-14 14:33:28

Like, basically, it's obviously meaningless, no? Yes? Right?

whichdidyouchoose Tue 14-Jan-14 14:57:16

I always assume it is some sort of verbal tic.

whichdidyouchoose Tue 14-Jan-14 14:59:46

When I encounter this, often with car insurance.

whichdidyouchoose Tue 14-Jan-14 15:04:16

But it is definitely not as arrogant and dismissive as "That is all", so where do you go from that?

newyearhere Tue 14-Jan-14 15:11:57

Or just "Fact!"

HoratiaDrelincourt Tue 14-Jan-14 15:42:02

Ah, my Scots are v northern and rural and also Gaelic speakers. I can't claim to know enough about Gaelic to know if that's a likely influence.

ilovesooty Tue 14-Jan-14 16:10:59

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HoratiaDrelincourt Tue 14-Jan-14 16:47:27

Yes, sooty, and then defend it by saying she was describing herself so that's ok hmm

I feel ten years old.

VikingVagine Tue 14-Jan-14 17:08:05

Ahh now this is interesting for me as an English teacher in France, the kids have to learn all about question tags (it's cold, isn't it? They're nice, aren't they? You're always right, aren't you?) whereas in French it's just "non" (il fait froid, non? Ils sont sympas, non? T'as toujours raison, non?). They'll be delighted to hear that the simple "no" is sometimes used although they won't be allowed to use it in class .

Boaty Tue 14-Jan-14 17:23:34

A colleague does this too..drives me potty! He also says whenever he disagrees with you 'with the greatest respect' but as he is usually obnoxious there is rarely any respect involved!

blahblahblah2014 Tue 14-Jan-14 17:32:17

Italian!!!!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Tue 14-Jan-14 17:58:06

I do this, I know I do. It's very continental er... no? blush

This thread reminds me that I can't abide how some sentences are capped off with 'much'. There's something so infuriating about it, I'm rather lost for words trying to work out why. Perhaps it has something to do with it generally turning up in catty conversations online, so there's always a sort of bitchy ring to it. Never actually heard it in real life, and not sure if it is even a UK/over age of 21 thing, really.

Example:
Jealous, much?'

Uuuuurgh!

sittingagain Tue 14-Jan-14 20:01:11

I must admit, I have always assumed any mumsnetter who said ", no?" had English as a second language. I imagine them as a heavily accented Russian Bond Girl, or a French Actress.

Crowler Tue 14-Jan-14 20:34:06

I must admit, I have always assumed any mumsnetter who said ", no?" had English as a second language. I imagine them as a heavily accented Russian Bond Girl, or a French Actress.

quietly resolves to end every sentence in ",no?"

MyBaby1day Thu 16-Jan-14 06:01:35

My answer is....no grin

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superstarheartbreaker Thu 16-Jan-14 06:26:22

We'll I did it on my thread. Sounds kind of French grin

Periwonkle Thu 16-Jan-14 06:34:38

I hate this, it is so very affected and usually patronizing.

MuttonCadet Thu 16-Jan-14 07:18:44

Yes I hate it. YANBU

HectorVector Thu 16-Jan-14 07:28:16

I have a colleague who finishes almost every sentence with "isn't it?" - very irritating!

BrianTheMole Thu 16-Jan-14 07:48:32

I sometimes start my sentences with 'yeah', and end them with 'no'? Who knew it would cause so much angst and rage eh? grin.

Lizzabadger Thu 16-Jan-14 08:00:06

Yanbu

MaidOfStars Thu 16-Jan-14 09:15:23

I hate this, it is so very affected and usually patronizing.

Or perhaps just a speech pattern, no?

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TheBigJessie Thu 16-Jan-14 09:50:32

It's stylish, no?

Also:
Wollen Sie ein Stuck Kuchen, oder? cake

grin

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 09:56:22

Threads like this, that pick apart how people choose to post are tres annoying and, like, soooo 2013, no?

I sometimes use 'no?' at the end of a sentence (in type). I sometimes start with 'erm, no'. There are probably lots of other things I use that people don't like.

I really couldn't care less what annoys other people about my posting.

As long as I'm not being disablist/racist/sexist why does it even matter?

HoratiaDrelincourt Thu 16-Jan-14 10:07:01

yy Whiskwarrior. A thousand txtspk posts with no punctuation before the next casually discriminatory post, plskthx.

Hoppinggreen Thu 16-Jan-14 10:46:47

Never heard it used at all - maybe it's a southern thing?
What winds me up is " like". . My 8 year old asked me yesterday if there was any like Chocolate? What the frick is like chocolate???????
Also, it gets used instead os said or thought.
" so she was like ......." And I was like...."
Aaaaaaaahhhhhgggggggggggg!!!!

lifehasafunnywayofhelpinguout Thu 16-Jan-14 10:49:13

I don't like it when people add the word "right" at the end of every sentence.
I think it sounds quite threatening to be honest. xx

HarderToKidnap Thu 16-Jan-14 10:51:38

I do this. Every Jewish person I know does this actually, as in Yiddish you often end sentences with "nu?", so I guess it's just turned into "no" and passed down the generations a bit....

FergusSingsTheBlues Thu 16-Jan-14 10:53:54

It's just a French question tag. Therefore annoying if you're not continental, no? Yanbu.

FergusSingsTheBlues Thu 16-Jan-14 10:55:34

Actually, I think it depends on your jawline....Jennifer Anniston had her hair plaited around the hairline and it aged her hugely.

ButThereAgain Thu 16-Jan-14 11:03:52

I hate this too. Hard to articulate why, but I think it is that it sounds patronising, to a comically extreme degree. It looks like it is meant to give whoever it is addressed to some friendly encouragement to speak. So it suggests that others need that encouragement and will feel flattered and empowered by it. But at the same time it is also saying "Am I not right? Are you really going to disagree with me?" -- so it is friendly encouragement to speak, but only to speak in approval.

I think if the graciously condescending Lady Catherine De Bourgh from Pride and Prejudice were alive today she would use this way of speaking, no?

MaidOfStars Thu 16-Jan-14 11:45:42

Ah man, I have been deleted, even though I was just picking up on use of a horrible word.

That's makes me a bad ass, yes? wink

MrsSteptoe Thu 16-Jan-14 11:55:39

yy to the 'no' thing.
Also people who end sentences with "blah blah blah blah blah, yah?" (sound is somewhere between yuh and yah)
yyyyy to the children starting sentences with basically.

But most of all, the apparent loss of the phrases "he said" or "I said". "So he was like, blah blah blah, and I was like, blah blah blah, and he was like blah, blah, blah..." Unfuckingbearable.

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 12:00:13

More annoying is people who don't bother their arses to read a whole thread through and see why silly little threads like this are childish and a waste of space.

No?

RatHammock Thu 16-Jan-14 12:23:27

Mating thread, Ferguson, no? grin

RatHammock Thu 16-Jan-14 12:24:38

Mating? I meant wrong.

ButThereAgain Thu 16-Jan-14 12:26:11

Good lord whiskwarrior. Do you mean that your contribution is so definitive that no one else should bother to comment? Or is it some other post on the thread that you think should have been the final word?

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 12:26:59

Mating??? Fantastic autocorrect!

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 12:30:12

ButThereAgain - well, I wasn't actually speaking specifically to you. I just find threads like this unnecessary and ten-a-penny.

Just a not-so-subtle way for people to have a dig at others.

Yawn (I know people hate that too)

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 12:45:00

Oh well never mind Whiskwarrior, perhaps you can get in earlier next time.

HarderToKidnap Thu 16-Jan-14 12:45:55

It's a very White British-centric thread. Totally misses the point that there are lots and lots of cultures and languages in which this type of sentence construction is normal and that people from those cultures and speaking those languages are translating those sentence constructions into English. Even if it's ancestral, as in my Yiddish example.

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 12:46:23

I don't even know what you mean by that to be honest whichdidyouchoose

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Thu 16-Jan-14 12:50:20

sittingagain... your post is absolutely NO kind of deterrent! grin

TheBigJessie... I found myself nodding at your post, my mum's family are Austrian and this is entirely usual conversation.

MrsBungle Thu 16-Jan-14 12:52:49

I find it annoying too op so I'm with you. I'm also scottish and have never heard anyone say no at the end of a sentence. I also can't stand sentences beginning with "so", just start the bloody sentence, it doesn't need a pointless "so" at the beginning of it.

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 12:54:35

Oh well maybe you will work it out, no?

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 12:55:44

No.

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 12:57:01

Sorry that was to Whisk and I do agree about the 'so I woke up' 'so I got out of bed' etc but I suppose it's just teenage vernacular.

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 12:58:40

Good, well done you have employed it in its usual sense. It's a start.

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 12:59:54

Sorry, I actually meant to put it as a 'no?' in the Australian sense.

Better or worse?

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 13:00:31

Next, I'm going to go to a coffee shop and ask if 'I can get a latte^.

<evil emoticon>

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 13:03:35

Did you?

Whiskwarrior Thu 16-Jan-14 13:04:39

I'm not sure anymore?

Abra1d Thu 16-Jan-14 13:08:46

The very worst habit is the Australian one of starting sentences with ' Look'.

TheBigJessie Thu 16-Jan-14 13:12:22

If we have any more threads about perfectly acceptable English, I will feel forced to start a thread somewhere about rain/reign/rein* and the difference between each of these pesky homophones. Forced, I tell you.

LyingWitch That is a relief. I spent ages staring at it, wondering it if was right. grin Haven't had to use German for months, and it's sliiiiiiiiiiping.

*This has been bugging me for three years on MN, but I have been gracefully refraining.

TheBigJessie Thu 16-Jan-14 13:13:21

My English spelling is as well. Sliiiiipping.

At this rate I will be unable to communicate in any language fluently...

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 13:30:56

But I am sure you can do it very forcefully bigjess.

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 13:33:20

Especially with a name like that

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 14:41:21

I think 'no' means 'no'.

whichdidyouchoose Thu 16-Jan-14 14:44:06

Isn't that a Greek thing Abra1d?

Abra1d Thu 16-Jan-14 16:14:00

It's my AUstralian relatives who are doing it, and none of them are of Greek origin. Especially not my brother, who grew up in SW London.

NigellasDealer Thu 16-Jan-14 16:22:18

Every Jewish person I know does this actually, as in Yiddish you often end sentences with "nu?", so I guess it's just turned into "no" and passed down the generations a bit
yes like in Polish you end a sentence with 'nie'....

Callani Thu 16-Jan-14 16:31:28

If people are too lazy to say "isn't it?" I'd much rather they said "no?" than "Innit"...

notso Thu 16-Jan-14 16:47:13

KirstyJC DH does the "shall we go to town now or....? It infuriates me.

I hate the phrase "trying too hard" it's used an awful lot on here especially on baby names.

LetZygonsbeZygons Thu 16-Jan-14 17:10:23

Im half Spanish and frequently say no at the end of sentences.
its part of the language for me and natural.

MaidOfStars Thu 16-Jan-14 17:11:54

Im half Spanish and frequently say no at the end of sentences.
Having spent my student years living and developing lifelong friendships with a crazy mix of South Americans, this is almost certainly where I've picked it up.

YourMotherChucksRocksInHull Thu 16-Jan-14 17:17:20

YANBU!

After you posted it, I remember a comment someone on here made about the NCT once - "it's a middle class introduction agency, no?" and it has always stuck in my mind. I don't know why - I've just advanced searched it and it was made in 2009! That's a long time for it to have been remembered.

LetZygonsbeZygons Thu 16-Jan-14 17:17:43

Maid grin.

PipkinsPal Thu 16-Jan-14 17:21:31

It pisses me off immensely when I tell someone something and they reply with "is it/she/he not?" eg person "is the Manager there?" me "No, I'm sorry she's not available" person "Is she not?" me (in my mind and obviously silently) "No she's fucking not, I just told you that". angry.

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