Speeding tickets

(125 Posts)
DeckSwabber Fri 10-Jan-14 13:45:05

Fed up with it.

I drive most days. I am a careful driver. But I can't seem to keep my driving licence clean. Every ticket I have had is for exceeding the speed limit on a huge road when there has been very little traffic - not zooming down narrow residential streets or burning it up with the boy racers - just driving a bit faster than normal on a three lane carriageway because there is no traffic and it feels natural to go above 30mph.

So. I've never had more than three point on my licence at any time, but I clear my old penalty points and six months later I get another ticket.

I know its my own fault. But grrr anyway.

juneybean Fri 10-Jan-14 13:47:23

Have you been offered the speed awareness, I found it quite informative.

I un

CuttingOutTheCrap Fri 10-Jan-14 13:48:36

How many tickets have you had?

Perhaps invest in a sat nav with the built in speed warnings so it can remind you to keep your speed down? I know it's easy for the speed to creep up, especially on big roads, but the 30mph is there for a reason smile

formerbabe Fri 10-Jan-14 13:50:06

Well here's a revolutionary idea...don't do it. You clearly are full of your own self importance...you must be super busy and its vital you get to places on time so sod everyone else's safety eh?!

hercules1 Fri 10-Jan-14 13:51:51

Without wanting to sound smug Yabu. I have been driving for over 20 years and never had a speeding ticket. Be more careful. Apologies for smugness!

Fakebook Fri 10-Jan-14 13:52:02

A road with street lights means its 30mph. Doesn't matter if its 2 lane or 3 lane or if there's no traffic. Sometimes it may be 20mph if its a really built up area with schools nearby.

Try driving in a lower gear when you get to these types of roads, so where you'd change to 4th, stay in 2nd or 3rd, so you feel pulled back from accelerating, if that makes sense.

I agree, the speed awareness course I went on was brilliant. They gave really good pointers about how to prevent speeding.

Try again...

I understand you being frustrated but honestly this isn't going to go well. Of course yabu to speed and complain when you're caught (and I say this as someone who has had points for speeding in the past).

Plus if you haven't been offered the speed awareness course, which they offer if you haven't been on one in the past 3 years and are going no more than 10% over the limit plus 10mph you must have been caning it.

IceBeing Fri 10-Jan-14 13:53:07

what cutting said.

Hoppinggreen Fri 10-Jan-14 13:53:16

I don't see how you can claim to be a careful driver if you keep speeding.
You speed carefully????

ParenthoodJourney Fri 10-Jan-14 13:55:17

You need a speed awareness course. It will open your eyes.

Yabu. I have been caught speeding in a 30. I did one, completely makes you realise the risks.

Please read this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2491840/The-short-sharp-shock-life-long-speeder-finally-slam-brakes-How-speed-awareness-course-changed-MARK-PALMERS-mind-putting-foot-down.html

specialsubject Fri 10-Jan-14 13:55:27

I also don't think you are a careful driver. If you can't monitor speed AND do everything else at the same time, get off the road.

driving is not NATURAL.

Helpyourself Fri 10-Jan-14 13:56:51

I understand you being frustrated because you're obviously an impatient person who thinks your time is more important than life itself.
hmm

Nancy66 Fri 10-Jan-14 14:03:21

I do think some speed limits are too slow on some roads.

I get your frustration but the tickets will keep coming and eventually you'll be banned if you don't keep an eye on your speed. Points stick your insurance up too

TheLostPelvicFloorOfPoosh Fri 10-Jan-14 14:05:46

YABU. Obviously hmm

DeWe Fri 10-Jan-14 14:11:15

I get what the OP is saying about the road.
The only time I've thought I might have been caught for speeding was on a 3 lane duel carriageways with streetlights, but not residential. I was lost, in an area of London I didn't know at all, going for a hospital appointment getting very stressed because we were late. I didn't notice the sign that went down from 40 to 30.
I mean you don't really expect to have a 30 limit on a road like that do you? It feels like at least a 50, probably would be if it wasn't in London.
But if I'd been caught it would have been a fair cop. I would be irritated with myself.

Having said that, since then I've been particularly careful on that stretch of road to remember, even though you feel you're going ridiculously slowly.--and are usually overtaken by white vans calling "pedal harder granny"--

I would feel a little "unfair " if I was caught, because I'm usually very (dh says too) careful about keeping under the speed limit, and so it would be a momentarial lapse and lots of people seem to get away with standardly speeding and just braking sharply when they see a speed camera.

MidniteScribbler Fri 10-Jan-14 14:11:52

I drive most days. I am a careful driver. But I can't seem to keep my driving licence clean.

I drive every day. I am a careful driver. I keep my drivers licence clean because I DON'T DRIVE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.

It's not fucking rocket science.

MrsDeVere Fri 10-Jan-14 14:13:00

STOP SPEEDING.
Now.

No excuses.
Stop whining
Stop doing it before you kill someone.

The sort of road you are talking about is the sort where an accident is most likely to end in a fatality.

Stop it.

Or I might start posting the names of children who have been killed by people like you.

DidoTheDodo Fri 10-Jan-14 14:16:59

I can't understand why you haven't learnt from your past mistakes.

As has been pointed out above, if you don't want a ticket (again) then surely you'd be more careful, especially in circumstances where you know you might be at risk of speeding.

MrsDeVere Fri 10-Jan-14 14:17:10

DeWe the only time I had a ticket is in similar circumstances to you.
But it was fair because I should have known how to tell what the speed limit was. Much as I hated having to sit with a load of people bitching about getting 'caught' it DID serve me right.
I was doing 4 miles over the limit.

Some people on my course were doing a hell of a lot more than that and they didn't care and they would do it again.

But I came away knowing how to tell the speed limits but I could have found out before and saved myself a day and a lot of money.

I had been driving around for 10 years not really sure of the limits. I mainly drive in the city so it wasn't a problem until I started doing regular A road journeys.

I understand exactly what you are saying but it is still our fault.

Careful drivers may accidentally get one speeding ticket.

Careful driver with multiple speeding tickets is an oxymoron.

DeckSwabber Fri 10-Jan-14 14:37:54

I knew you'd all jump on my head.

The times I have been caught have been on virtually empty three lane carriageways, eg early morning on a Sunday, when I have misjudged my speed because of the conditions. No parked cars, no cyclists, no horses, no risk of a wild animal bursting out from a hedge, no bad weather. On a motorway I stick to 70 miles an hour and stay in the left hand lane.

I get frustrated because I see people driving all the time with a phone clamped to their ear or fiddling with their radio or cigarettes, or with music on so loud that they cannot possibly be fully aware of what's going on.

I didn't say it wasn't my fault - I said it was.

DeckSwabber Fri 10-Jan-14 14:40:20

Ps I have had three tickets in 30 years of driving,and never more than one at a time on my licence.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome Fri 10-Jan-14 14:43:02

Every camera has a warning sign and most are painted yellow. Every 30 mph zone has a start sign at 30 and ends with the next limit, upwards or down.

So what the OP is saying is that she doesn't drive with due care or attention at any time, and has poor observation skills.

Good thing I've got cameras and telemetry on the lorry, so when she cocks up and gets splatted like a watermelon I can sue her estate for psychological injury. Except that I've seen too many now. The last one was so gory I just had a medium kebab with no chili for tea.

It's just sad how a moment's idiocy wipes out the happiness of a lifetime.

DidoTheDodo Fri 10-Jan-14 15:39:39

OP -You said it was your fault, we all seem to agree. I'm not sure where the problem lies.

allmycats Fri 10-Jan-14 15:46:42

STOP Speeding - if you can't then stop driving.

Dahlen Fri 10-Jan-14 15:47:25

I can sympathise with your frustration because no one likes getting done for a momentary lapse of concentration when they are normally far more careful and see lots of other people flouting the rules much more often.

However, that's the thing with road traffic law. It's very black and white. Doesn't matter if you drive carefully 99% of the time in every 10 years. The question isn't "How carefully do you drive normally?" The question is "Did you break the speed limit?" Which you did. On camera.

I don't want to sound harsh, but like others have pointed out, if you were driving too fast to notice the brightly painted speed camera and react in time to reduce your speed sufficiently, then you weren't actually driving that carefully. If you did't notice the camera, you probably wouldn't have noticed any hazards either, certainly not in enough time to react.

You haven't committed the crime of the century and you've paid the price (literally) for your motoring offences. You're not a terrible person or even a terrible driver most probably, just an occasionally distracted one (which most of us are from time to time). Take it on the chin and chalk it up to experience while thinking about your speed more in the future.

BarbarianMum Fri 10-Jan-14 15:48:36

I had a clean driving license (22 years) until last winter when I was snaped doing 33 mph in a 30. The speed awareness course was very useful - it made me check my speed a lot more. In doing so I was horrified how easy it is for speed to creep up on certain sorts of road.

It made me realise that I was not as safe a driver as I thought I was. It also made me realise how many people speed (I am overtaken by a stream of cars on the duel carriageway home every night now I'm super aware and stck to 40).

Anyway, point is, just because you haven't been caught doesn't mean you aren't occasionally speeding. I am very anti speeding and thought I was very careful about my speed prior to being ticketed.

MrsOakenshield Fri 10-Jan-14 15:57:07

I can understand your frustration, in the conditions you describe. It doesn't sound like you were unsafe - though I'm sure someone will come up with the suggestion that a random toddler might, just might, through no fault of anyone responsible for them, have got on to the road. But MN can be very holier-than-thou about speeding.

That's the thing, isn't it - you are not roaring about the place, doing 60 in built up areas - you are on a 3 lane highway where, the last you saw, the speed limit was 40. Why would you expect it to go down to 30? (was it the A3?)

(also, don't think the OP said she didn't notice the camera, but that she didn't notice that the speed limit had gone down to 30.)

MrsDeVere Fri 10-Jan-14 15:58:25

What do you mean you misjudged conditions?

You also need to understand that a road is only 'virtually empty' and free of hazards until it isn't.

And those extra MPH are what make the difference between you killing yourself/someone and not doing so.

Have you been on a speed course yet? I think you should if you haven't.

SirChenjin Fri 10-Jan-14 16:02:05

Thing is - you must be driving over the speed limit as a matter of course if you're picking up that number of speeding points. I've been driving for 25 years now and have a completely clean licence, always have - that's not to say that I haven't driven over the speed limit but I don't do it regularly and definitely not in residential areas. You say that every ticket I have had is for exceeding the speed limit on a huge road when there has been very little traffic - well, duh - slow down on huge roads where there is a 30mph sign!

Speed awareness courses and satnavs are your friends.

candycoatedwaterdrops Fri 10-Jan-14 16:03:42

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pinkcheese Fri 10-Jan-14 16:05:11

Can I recommend using the cruise control in such situations? I know they're not popular in UK but setting it at 30 means that you can't accidentally creep over the limit. I use it all the time.

And I sympathize with the OP. Plenty of people have no points because they brake hard to go from 75 to 60 when they see a camera--on the A505 because their stupid satnavs think its a 60 zone-- and hugely increase the chances of being in an accident. To my mind, that is far more dangerous than 35mph on a dual carriageway at night.

SirChenjin Fri 10-Jan-14 16:09:32

'Plenty of people' have no points on their licence because they are good drivers who are observant and drive according to the road conditions without going over the speed limit.

FaerieBells Fri 10-Jan-14 16:10:05

Thing is, OP, driving is not a human right.

If you can't do it properly, don't do it.

You sound a bit put out that all those other, worse drivers than you (the ones who eat, use their mobiles etc) are 'getting away with it' while you are being unfairly picked on.

Why don't you take pride in being a BETTER driver than them, not get all petulant that you can't get away with it too?

Bartman Fri 10-Jan-14 16:12:27

Get radar/laser detector and get your observation skills up to scratch and you should be able to spot potential traps/cameras. A detector has saved my ass on quite a few occasions!

specialsubject Fri 10-Jan-14 16:27:05

just because other drivers are more dangerous than you is not an excuse for you to be dangerous.

'misjudged speed because of the conditions' - WTF? Speedo not working? Eyes shut?

so you agree you are crap. Do something about it. Get some lessons or sell the car.

Bunbaker Fri 10-Jan-14 16:29:32

A couple of family members have been on speed awareness courses recently and they both said that they were told to drive in a lower gear in order to stick to 30 mph.

I get what you mean about misjudging speed because driving at 30 in a large, modern car feels as slow as walking. In older cars you "feel" the speed more.

I have taken to using the cruise control in OH's car and driving at 30 in third gear because it isn't happy driving at 30 in fourth. I realise that most cars probably don't have cruise control, but I think it is useful these situations.

lougle Fri 10-Jan-14 16:29:54

You can't misjudge conditions. You have a speedo. You know the speed limit.

I've had two speeding tickets in 12 years of driving, both acquired in a single week - I had changed my car and hadn't got used to the increased acceleration of my new car, so had tipped over 30 as I moved up the gears from 3rd to 4th.

My own fault, completely - I have a speedo; I should have been watching it.

I went on a speed awareness course for the first one, but of course, the second one, which arrived 4 days after the first, was not eligible.

So I had to carry the 3 points. That was in 2010.

volvocowgirl Fri 10-Jan-14 16:31:12

You can't be being that careful if you keep getting tickets! Pay more attention and stop speeding. Quite simple really.

ComposHat Fri 10-Jan-14 16:46:59

You are not a careful driver and if you've missed

1) the speed limit sign
2) the sign alerting you to the fact there's a camera ahead
3) a huge box painted fluro yellow.

Then you aren't paying attention to the road.

You say that you keep getting caught on the same road (or the same type of road) why haven't you learned after the first ticket? Isn't a definition of idiocy, doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting the result to be different?

overthemill Fri 10-Jan-14 17:00:02

I have been driving since 1987 and never had any kind of speeding or traffic offence. DH who has been driving since 1976 gets 3 points at least annually. I am so losses off at how much he drives up our insurance I forced to accept the speeding course last month. Can't wait for him to go on it and start saving money!

I honestly don't know how you can be speeding. Hope you get it sorted before someone dies

overthemill Fri 10-Jan-14 17:00:35

Haha! PIssed off

Objection Sat 11-Jan-14 15:29:15

I had to go on the speed awareness course and they made an excellent point:

"the speed limit is 30 mpg. Why were you speeding?"
lots of answers like
"I was rushing"
"I wasn't paying attention to the speedo"
"I didn't know the speed limit"
etc

the course leader then asked if any of those reasons would be a good explanation if you had hit someone and we're having to explain your speed to a loved one.

nobody is ever not responsible for their own speed.

I don't speed now, regardless if the road is wide, not busy, not built up etc.

as someone said upthread: if there are lights - it's a 30. If there are not lights - it's national speed limit. It is only different if there are regular signs saying so. .

Objection Sat 11-Jan-14 15:35:29

*mph (autocorrect)

and sorry for the double negative

Objection Sat 11-Jan-14 15:37:43

and who's to say those other people aren't going to get caught round the corner? you did, I did, lots of posters here did so it stands to reason that they will too smile

Bunbaker Sat 11-Jan-14 15:42:57

Why is it that when you are driving at 30 in a 30mph speed limit and some impatient idiot whizzes past at 60 there is never a speed camera/policeman with a speed gun? This happened last week. The stupid driver drove past a whole line of us who were sticking to the speed limit and there was no-one to stop him/her.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Sat 11-Jan-14 15:50:23

The speed limits are not just plucked from thin air.

It simple stop speeding.

Around the streets I live in the speed limit is 30, but I do 1/2 that as it's not a safe speed in my opinion.

It a speed limit not a target.

Bunbaker Sat 11-Jan-14 15:56:13

You drive at 15 mph? Sometimes driving too slowly is as much of a hazard as driving too fast because other drivers get frustrated and overtake when they shouldn't.

Interestingly, on my speed awareness course the policeman said they would stop someone who was driving extremely slowly in case they were ill or drunk.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Sat 11-Jan-14 16:13:01

It's really built up and only 1 car can drive down the road, parked cars and loads of little side streets.

Almost everyone drives slow it's only the idiots that do 30.

MrsDeVere Sat 11-Jan-14 16:16:16

Not in a residential street Bun No way is it safe to do 30mph round here. I regularly do half that.

If someone is frustrated and causes an accident they are the hazard not me.

You are supposed to drive at a safe speed within the speed limit. You can still be prosecuted for dangerous driving even if you are within the speed limit.

If someone is doing 20mph on a clear road where the limit is 60 I would say you had a very good point grin

SirChenjin Sat 11-Jan-14 16:33:41

Our small residential cul de sacs have a 20mph limit. There is no way it would be safe to do 30 in them although some arseholes do

sashh Sat 11-Jan-14 16:42:48

If it is always the same type of conditions and the type of road, you need to remind yourself of that when you are on those roads.

I often do a journey that is quite long, it goes motorway and then duel carriageway both with a 70 limit, I then turn off in to a 50 zone for a short time and then 30.

30 feels so slow after 70, but I know this and I am extra careful on this bit of road.

I've been driving 30 years too, I have no points but did attend one speed awareness course - they are really good.

But there is never a really clear road, I have had a fox cross a motorway in front of me.

pippitysqueakity Sat 11-Jan-14 17:06:59

Ooh,ooh can I be the first to say 'it's a limit not a target' grin

SwimmingMom Sat 11-Jan-14 17:29:55

Few years ago when DH got points for using his phone when driving, I must say I was secretly relieved. Years of arguments & discussions couldn't drive home the point like those 3 points had (pun intended!) - do not use the phone when driving even for 1 second!!! The ticket probably saved his (and mine + DC) and others lives by preventing an accident that was only a matter of time.
I'd even shown him the movie '7 pounds' to show how a moment of distraction can destruct lives.

So those points have a purpose - to remind us to be MORE careful than before - each & every time.

MrsAMerrick Sat 11-Jan-14 17:44:14

The speed limit is there for a reason. Local councils or the Highways Agency (depending on who is responsible for the road) set the speed limit when they take into account all the conditions, the numbers of accidents there have been, and other factors. It is ludicrous for drivers to think that they know better and can deem themselves to be safe and so have the arrogance to drive at more than the speed limit.

I got a speeding ticket for doing 40 on a dual carriageway that was actually 30, it had barriers on the nearside, and barriers on the central reservation, so I am not sure why it was 30. However I dont think that made me right and the police who caught me wrong. It did make me think about what I was doing.

That was 22 years ago, and I've never been caught for speeding since, because I have never speeded since. If the speed limit is 30 then I drive in 3rd gear as its very difficult to exceed the speed limit unwittingly if you do that. I also make sure I am aware of what the speed limit is at all times.

OP, try being aware of the road conditions and speed limit. Or don't drive as, tbh, you sound like a liability. And if you are offered the opportunity to do a speed awareness course, take it.

AmIthatWintry Sat 11-Jan-14 19:11:03

FFS

I drive every day. I am a careful driver. I have kept my licence clean. For 32 years. Grrrrr indeed. It aint hard

magimedi Sat 11-Jan-14 20:40:51

I have been driving for forty years. I have a totally clean licence. It's not hard - just be aware of the road & signage at all times.

pointythings Sat 11-Jan-14 20:54:26

I have been driving for 27 years and have not had a speeding ticket. I've recently changed cars and my current one is much more powerful, so I have been extra careful not to go over because I know how easy it would be to do so - the car is very quiet, the engine tells you nothing about what you are doing.

There are no excuses.

MrsOakenshield Sat 11-Jan-14 20:54:48

having a clean license and never speeding are not the same thing, and unless you drive with your eyes glued to the speedo, which you make you a very unsafe driver indeed, you cannot possibly know that you have never once, even for a second, crept over the speed limit. So can we stop with the smug 'I've got a clean license, it's not hard' bullshit. You've never been caught, that's all.

pointythings Sat 11-Jan-14 21:02:49

True, MrsOakenshield but if you can't keep your licence clean at all then you are doing something wrong. I know that I have crept over the speed limit in my new car - there have been a few 'oh shit' moments. if I had been caught I would not have grumbled, but at least I have been actively trying not to speed and learning what my current motor does.

SirChenjin Sat 11-Jan-14 21:05:55

I've never been caught - but then I don't drive over the speed limit so regularly that I massively increase my chances of being caught and try not to speed. The OP must be speeding as a matter of course if she's getting caught that often.

Jinglebellsforthebetter Sat 11-Jan-14 21:10:35

Clean licence for 26 years - not smug, just aware.

It. Really. Isn't. Hard. smile

MrsAMerrick Sat 11-Jan-14 21:34:13

hear hear jingle

mrs oakenshiekd you dont have to watch the speedo and nothing else, of course that would be unsafe. It's easy to be aware of the speed you're doing, you can glance at the speedo for a split second.

Excuses for speeding are just that. Excuses. There are drivers who speed and drivers who don't. Drivers in the first group run the risk of getting points on their licence, they shouldn't moan that it's not their fault when that happens.

Bartman Sat 11-Jan-14 21:34:53

It's easy to mostly exceed the limit and keep a clean licence you just need to look further ahead than ten feet in front of your bonnet. Advanced observation and forward planning should not only keep you accident free but free of points as well. It's not like the cunts in the camera vans are hard to spot.

Objection Sat 11-Jan-14 21:45:56

there are drivers who speed and drivers who don't. Drivers who speed run the risk of getting points on their license

drivers who speed run the risk of killing or seriously injuring other people or themselves. its not worth it.

[not arguing just using the phrase to make a point]

Objection Sat 11-Jan-14 21:47:56

Yes, breaking the law is easy and completely justified, Bartman, so long as your observant

I always wondered why people had a problem with speed cameras/vans - not an issue if you obey the law

Bartman Sat 11-Jan-14 22:03:51

I always wondered why people had a problem with speed cameras/vans - not an issue if you obey the law

Because they have nothing to do with road safety and everything to do with ripping of motorists. Thanks to the last labour government we have a generation of mindless drivers on the road who seem to think that because they don't speed they're all brilliant drivers. I'd much rather passenger with a decently trained driver above the speed limit than at the limit with one of these morons who fail to look further than the end of their bonnet - they're the sort who kill people but they think they're excellent drivers as they never exceed the limit.

SirChenjin Sat 11-Jan-14 22:11:11

That's a very simplistic argument. There are plenty of drivers who are perfectly capable of driving within the speed limit, to road conditions, whilst looking much further ahead than the end of their bonnets.

Unfortunately there are too many drivers who think they are better than they are, and therefore able to to drive faster than the speed limit - because somehow their reactions are faster than everyone elses. Which is bollocks, of course.

Lemons1571 Sat 11-Jan-14 22:14:54

I did a speed awareness course a couple of months ago. It wasn't great. Mostly full of white van men who tore back out the car park when it had finished, at some speed. Plus a guy who kept standing up and announcing 'Zis country neeeds flares'. Bizarre experience.

ComposHat Sat 11-Jan-14 22:17:49

I wonseeed how long till some willy waving prat would wander onto the thread and proclaim they are perfectly safe despite routinely drivong above rhe limit/talking on phone/consumong an all yhey can eat buffet.

For clarity's sake. No one is saying not speeding makes you a safe driver. But not being aware of the speed limit, not seeing camera/speed limit signs is an indication that you are completely unaware of what's happening around them.

Bartman Sat 11-Jan-14 22:20:54

But not being aware of the speed limit, not seeing camera/speed limit signs is an indication that you are completely unaware of what's happening around them

Brilliantly put

FortyDoorsToNowhere Sat 11-Jan-14 22:59:46

I have had my licence for 10 years and no points.

I drive within the speed limit, still read the Highway Code from time to time and keep my car in a safe working order.

AnUnearthlyChild Sat 11-Jan-14 23:09:25

Because they have nothing to do with road safety and everything to do with ripping of motorists.

No. Not true.

They have everything to do with road safety.

Objection Sun 12-Jan-14 08:32:30

so what your trying to say Bartman is that your above the law (designed for the safety of everyone in mind) because you are a better driver than everyone and are above the calculations and analysis made by experts in the field?

Objection Sun 12-Jan-14 08:32:47

*you're
blush

FraidyCat Sun 12-Jan-14 12:24:51

I've not had a speeding ticket in nearly 30 years of driving, and I use cruise control almost all the time to try and ensure that I don't, however I think lots of posters are being pompous/pious suggesting it's automatically a safety hazard to exceed the limit.

Lot's of main roads I travel on in and out of London that now have 40 or 50 limits had (if my memory is not playing tricks on me) 60 or 70 limits for many years previously. I do not believe the lower limits make much difference to safety, they are motorway-like roads so intrinsically quite safe whatever the speed limit. I believe the reason for lowering the limits were to reduce emissions, make traffic flow more smoothly at peak times, and, more recently, to reduce stress on elevated sections that were in danger of collapsing. All worthy, but not safety-related.

The A13 heading east/west out of/into London is one particularly absurd road. I only use it at the weekend when it is virtually empty, four lanes in each direction, carriageways separated by a hard barrier, I site in the left-most lane with the cruise control at 40, and virtually every other car does 60 or 70, I can see some of the drivers muttering and swearing as they have to change lanes to overtake me, and frankly, I sympathise with them. I feel like a twat for driving at such a ridiculously low speed.

SamU2 Sun 12-Jan-14 12:30:58

I have been driving for three months and have a clean license. It is not hard smug

grin

SirChenjin Sun 12-Jan-14 12:32:18

No, it's not automatically a safety concern - but as you rightly point out there are reasons for doing it, which means that as drivers we have to adhere to the limit. It's not up to individual drivers to decide whether or not the road is appropriate for them to do an extra 10 or 20 mph.

Bahhhhhumbug Sun 12-Jan-14 12:46:58

So not only do you speed on a regular basis and show poor awareness and concentration in your apparently inadvertent speeding up but you are also apparently a lane hogger on the motorway. Please tell me you don't mean that you always stay in the inside lane , no matter what as I am sick to death of trying to get on my local stretch of motorway and running out of slip road because the ignorant bastards on the inside lane just won't move across and let other drivers onto the motorway. I am not talking about when drivers cant move over because of traffic in the middle lane (don't start me off about middle lane hoggers either ) but those who quite simply don't want to move out of 'their' lane for the entire journey. Grrrr

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 12-Jan-14 12:52:47

I have sympathy with you, OP. I do a lot of driving in my job (20,000 miles a year). I see plenty of drivers who will never break the speed limit but are dangerous drivers. I don't think that it's speed that kills, it's inattentive driving. It's that inattention that will kill a child in a 30mph zone. I expect there are inattentive drivers on this thread giving you a good telling off.

I have one set of speeding points - motorway. There are no pedestrians on a motorway. <shrugs>

Speeding isn't good, breaking the law isn't good, there are consequences.

I do love a good flaming thread though... grin

I have a speed awareness course booked for Wednesday. At this moment in time I believe that it is harsh to have a speed camera at the bottom of the hill, a speed limit of 30 mph on a 3 lane road; not a residential road. I was going 36 at the time I was caught, by the time I got to the top of the hill I was doing 18 mph as the hill is VERY steep and long. If I had been doing 30 mph at the bottom, I would genuinely not have got to the top. It feels like this particular camera is there to make money - lots of people get caught here, rather than genuinely trying to make the road safer, but I am prepared to listen to what they say and take it on board.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 12-Jan-14 12:58:27

YY... they are NOT safety cameras, they are speed cameras. No point dressing it up as anything else. They generate revenue and as soon as they don't, they are removed.

SirChenjin Sun 12-Jan-14 13:12:36

I don't think that it's speed that kills, it's inattentive driving

Really? You don't think that speed plays a part in causing fatal accidents? No part whatsoever?

everlong Sun 12-Jan-14 13:15:07

What a weird attitude OP!

Speeding is speeding regardless of the business or not of the road!

Stick to the limit of the particular road and you'll find you won't get any more tickets.. that's how it works

Ps haven't read all the thread so if you've repented I'm sorry!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 12-Jan-14 13:19:39

SirChenjin... how can it? If you are NOT an inattentive driver, you will adjust your speed for the road conditions. I drive far slower than 30mph in residential areas because I know children might pop out at anytime. Would you rather have somebody glued to their speedo, doggedly and smugly sticking to 30, yet not watching/anticipating the road?

If you are an inattentive driver, you might obey the speed limit yet still cause a fatal accident. The speed limit is not a talisman to prevent that.

SirChenjin Sun 12-Jan-14 13:24:13

Ok - it seemed from your earlier post that you were saying that speed is not a contributing factor to fatal road accidents. My apologies if I've misunderstood what you were saying. The fact is that if you are driving appropriately to within the speed limits while paying attention to the road then you will of course reduce the risk of causing injury to others and yourself.

Unfortunately there are too many drivers who over-estimate their abilities and who truly believe that their reactions are so quick that they will be able to take evasive accident if they are driving over the speed limit - whereas speeding reduces your ability to react appropriately and quickly, even if you are paying attention to what's going on around you.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Sun 12-Jan-14 13:32:47

Not at all, SirChenjin. I'm really mindful of speed actually, not just because of the cameras but having been in a car with somebody who drives at the limit but that limit is actually too high for the road conditions. Country lanes terrify me at the speed limit.

If I'm speeding it's generally on a motorway. It's unintentional, it creeps up and seems really slow. I think it's easy to gauge your speed alongside the other traffic and if that's moving quickly, you match it.

I like to think that I'm careful and aware because I'm fully cognisant of the fact that I'm responsible for a tonne of metal hurtling around.

SirChenjin Sun 12-Jan-14 13:36:38

I completely agree. My experience as a result of of driving for 25 years is that there are too many drivers who forget that the speed limit is a maximum, and that in fact they need to drive to the road conditions rather than simply sitting a steady 30/40/60/70.

sashh Sun 12-Jan-14 14:57:34

There are no excuses.

To be fair having blue flashing lights and rushing someone to hospital is an excuse, but generally there are no excuses

chateauferret Sun 12-Jan-14 15:29:42

Is there a speed camera or is it plod?

There's nothing you can do except comply. I know lots of places with too-low limits and enquiries about them basically get ignored. In many places they are accompanied by speed cameras just to raise revenue. A traces thread on Pistonheads produced a lot of examples of places where limits had been reduced or were clearly U for being too low and ignored by everyone, but no examples of too-low limits being increased.

For instance on the A89 Glasgow Road in Coatbridge (2-lane dual carriageway with roundabouts) a 40 limit was reduced to 30 a couple of years ago because it passed Drumpark School. Fair enough. Except that six months later they shut the school and moved the kids to a site a couple of miles away. The limit however remains at 30 and yes there is a speed camera on the eastbound carriageway.

I also can't drive from Airdrie to Caldercruix within the limit (30 even between the villages most of the way) without being hooted at, flashed and tailgaited.

YABU to exceed the limit but not to complain about the limit if it is clearly stupid.

SirChenjin Sun 12-Jan-14 15:39:49

I drive these roads regularly too - I find a toot back or a one fingered salute is very effective grin. To be fair though, even on the motorway there's always someone hooting, flashing and tailgating - even when you're doing 70, because that's patently not fast enough for some drivers hmm

differentnameforthis Mon 13-Jan-14 04:00:31

I can't seem to keep my driving licence clean cancels out I am a careful driver

I don't exceed the speed limit and constantly have cars pulling out to over take me because obviously the speed limit does not apply to them.

Are you one of those people?

Mrs DeVere you can add my mother to your list if people killed in RTAs. Ruined a family.

LeafyGreen13 Mon 13-Jan-14 04:10:01

Our car has cruise control which I find helps. If the road is quite empty then I just set the car to the speed limit and I don't have to think about it. Perhaps when you get your next car you should look into it?

overthemill Mon 13-Jan-14 10:06:27

What's cruise control?

SoupDragon Mon 13-Jan-14 10:08:43

OP, I'm not entirely sure what you hoped to gain from this thread.

TheRealCarrieBradshaw Mon 13-Jan-14 10:25:40

I'd rather have an SP30 than a DR10 blush

MrsDeVere Mon 13-Jan-14 10:31:58

I am so sorry Madam sad

differentnameforthis Mon 13-Jan-14 10:35:45

What's cruise control? Once at the desired speed you can program the car to hold that speed, so you don't have to have your foot on the accelerator.

Bartman Mon 13-Jan-14 10:55:46

R

Bartman Mon 13-Jan-14 10:57:55

Remember folks that 8 times as many accidents are caused by failing to look properly than by exceeding the speed limit. Perhaps it's the dozy, shit driving that needs some attention rather than just speeding.

TheRealCarrieBradshaw Mon 13-Jan-14 12:05:29

Well said Bartman!

overthemill Mon 13-Jan-14 12:25:37

Ah, ok so that sounds like something on an automatic car then. I have a normal car so no wonder!

Stinklebell Mon 13-Jan-14 12:31:23

overthemill. DH has cruise control on his manual car, I don't on my automatic. I don't think it's just for automatics

MrsBethel Mon 13-Jan-14 12:34:18

Where I live I think am the only one who drives within the speed limit.

There I am, tootling along at 30 down a road spec'ed to 60 (because that's the limit, and I don't need one more thing to worry about, thank you). Other cars get very aggressive...

I'd always go within 30 when it's built-up and kids might dash out, regardless of the limit, but some of the speed limits take the piss. When you're on three clear lanes of motorway doing 40 or 50, or on a dual carriageway at 30, something ain't right. I won't speed, though - it's exactly those sort of roads (where the limit is comically wrong) where they put up the bloody cameras to get the cash flowing.

My mindset is philosophical - okay, I'll drive at your speed limit, and I'll just sit back and enjoy the absurdity of it all. Maybe stick on some Strauss.

Stinklebell Mon 13-Jan-14 12:39:13

I've got 1 speeding fine.

A few years ago I was coming back through some roadworks on an empty motorway at 3am and was clocked doing 36 in a 30

I did grump a lot - it's not faaaaiiiiirrrrr, road was empty, no workmen around, perfectly safe, blah, blah, blah, but it comes down to the fact that I wasn't paying enough attention to my speed and got caught fair and square, I paid the fine, took the points and sucked it up

meddie Mon 13-Jan-14 12:42:16

We have a dual carriageway that is 40 until you cross a junction, where it drops to 30 going past a cemetery. Then goes back to 40
no reason for the drop in the limit on the middle section and the residents of cemeterys are not known for randomly running out into traffic. But the police regularly put a mobile unit there and catch loads of people doing 40. total cash cow

TheRealCarrieBradshaw Mon 13-Jan-14 13:02:05

Cruise Control isn't just on Auto's , Jeez should you even be driving when you don't know what CC is ? blush

ParenthoodJourney Mon 13-Jan-14 13:18:49

I have a manual car with cruise control.

TheFuzz Mon 13-Jan-14 13:30:16

You have been caught a few times ? Time to learn perhaps.

MrsOakenshield Mon 13-Jan-14 15:16:35

My car is 11 years old (new when I bought it), very basic spec and it doesn't have cruise control and I didn't know what it was. Sounds very handy (though it also sounds like you don't have as much control, which can't be a good thing?) but I don't think knowing what this is is essential to driving a vehicle? grin

I agree that some speed cameras are there to generate revenue (it was only in recent years that they stopped being hidden) and that speed is not the only element of safe driving. But MN is full of middle-lane hoggers who think that as long as they are doing 69 on the motorway then they are driving perfectly safely.

SirChenjin Mon 13-Jan-14 16:02:52

It's hardly 'full'

TheRealCarrieBradshaw Mon 13-Jan-14 16:04:05

MrsOak - I do agree with you there, that is unacceptable especially on motorway

MrsOakenshield Mon 13-Jan-14 16:12:32

well, yes, 'full' is probably an exaggeration, but you'd be surprised SirC - there was a thread a while back when middle-lane hoggers were in the news sometime last year and I was astonished at the number of MNers who did this and thought it perfectly fine because they were doing 69 and didn't like changing lanes especially past a juggernaut or some such nonsense.

overthemill Mon 13-Jan-14 17:07:49

mrscarriebradshaw I have a pretty good command of the Highway Code, have never received so much as a parking ticket in 27 years of driving and have 12 year old manual galaxy lowest spec that doesn't have such a thing. I also don't know what all sorts of technical things are on a car (what exactly is a piston ring, for example) but I can safely drive a car and do not break the law. So I think it's safe to say that yes I should even be driving a car unlike the tossed who wrote the OP

StripyPenguin Mon 13-Jan-14 17:16:16

16 years, no points, no accidents and never broken the speed limit. I consider myself to be a careful and considerate driver. If you break the speed limit then take the consequences.

MrsDeVere Mon 13-Jan-14 17:23:38

But middle lane hoggers are a distraction from the point.
They, like people who go too slow, old men in hats, women putting lipstick on in traffic blah blah are always bought up by people who speed.

They are irrelevant to the argument in that if they all stopped doing those dangerous things people who speed would still speed and still be dangerous.

The fact is if you are speeding you are less equipped to deal with the above hazards.

ProfPlumSpeaking Mon 13-Jan-14 17:25:34

3 speeding tickets over 30 years is not "regularly speeding", but the truth is that even once is too often and I don't think you are going to get any sympathy, OP. Sorry, not from me either. Can I say you sound nice though as you do accept that you were in the wrong and (I hope, reading between the lines) that you intend to be more careful in future. If so, then the tickets have done their job :-)

LaundryFairy Mon 13-Jan-14 18:13:32

Have a look at this ad from New Zealand - will put you off speeding for life:
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/this-antispeeding-ad-from-new-zealand-will-haunt-you/story-fnixwvgh-1226797541715

TheRealCarrieBradshaw Mon 13-Jan-14 18:22:34

Wow, just watched this Ad, freaky stuff hmm

Although the clips you are made to watch in the DD Rehab course are 10-times more gut wrenching, a few had me in tears hmm

Bunbaker Mon 13-Jan-14 18:39:29

Quite frankly I don't believe anyone who says that they have never, ever broken the speed limit - not even by 1 mph! I drive at or under the limit, but I admit to having broken it in the past.

It is deceptively easy to nudge over 30mph by a mile or two and so tempting to nudge up to 75 or 80 on a motorway. All I can say is thank goodness for cruise control in OH's car, because it is such a smooth quiet ride that you feel like you are travelling more slowly than you are. And, yes I do keep an eye on the speedo and stick to the limit. I'm just not as self righteous as some people on here.

StripyPenguin Mon 13-Jan-14 19:42:12

OK, never consciously broken the speed limit.

WhyDontWeUseRealNames Sun 26-Jan-14 23:44:08

I live in Brighton and I'm running a petition to get 20 mph limits on some local streets, instead of retaining 30 mph as decided (wrongly in my view) at a council meeting in December. The streets are used as routes to schools and there are shops, parks, nurseries etc. This shouldn't be a political issue, but local politics gets mixed up with road safety where there's a possibility of political advantage and courting the motoring majority. Please see the website and sign on line if you use services in Brighton:
goo.gl/xzFlZI

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