To think that this is utterly bizarre and unfair?

(61 Posts)
VulvaVoom Sun 05-Jan-14 12:50:51

I was looking up prices of a local adventure park place (the kind that has lots of land, farmyard animals, rides etc) and this was in with the entrance fee info:

'We are sorry but we are unable to let single MEN OR WOMEN without children into the park. If you are here to meet someone let one of our reception staff know and they will happily do a tannoy asking them to come and meet you'

AIBU to find this utterly odd and unfair? Perhaps they've had a problem with predatory paedophiles in the past? confused

Imagine if, as an individual you went there for a wander/look at the animals/coffee and they wouldn't let you in.

I'm not the type to overreact but this certainly surprised me!

That's odd. I googled and found the place. Are single people allowed in the shop? I wonder if this is allowed.

HesterShaw Sun 05-Jan-14 12:55:58

But a pair of paedos together would be fine?

Not being flippant, just highlighting the absurdity.

kinkyfuckery Sun 05-Jan-14 12:56:52

A bit odd! Trying to keep away the single trainspotters wink

hercules1 Sun 05-Jan-14 12:58:58

Maybe they've had an issue with someone coming to their farm on a regular basis for no obvious reason and it's just easier to put a blanket rule.

southeastastra Sun 05-Jan-14 13:00:39

is it even legal?

McSnail Sun 05-Jan-14 13:01:41

I find that annoying. It reminds me of the time most of our local links was cordoned off for a Parents and Children's Day - you couldn't go in if you didn't have a kid. Had to walk the dog elsewhere.

ShadowFall Sun 05-Jan-14 13:05:27

Seems odd.

as pp says, why bar individual adults but not groups of 2 or more adults?

BarbarianMum Sun 05-Jan-14 13:07:55

I think that is really wrong and discriminatory. And utterly pointless, of course (from the view of child protection~).

When I worked in a similar establishment, one of our most frequent visitors was a lovely man who had some form of learning disability. He used to come in regularly, help groom the goats, pet the rabbits etc. The thought that someone like him would be banned makes me very cross.

KurriKurri Sun 05-Jan-14 13:09:14

I have just newly become single, and have grown up children- is this what the future holds for me, people looking at me as if I am constantly up to no good if I go anywhere near children?

lunar1 Sun 05-Jan-14 13:10:17

I would put my bets in it being to keep a specific person out and though this may be an odd way to do it, it might be the most diplomatic way they could find to do it.

NatashaBee Sun 05-Jan-14 13:10:55

That's what I thought, HesterShaw...

Yanbu. Utterly ridiculous. What if you brought your cbt certificate with you? Would you be allowed in having proved that you are legally allowed to be alone with children?

Picturesinthefirelight Sun 05-Jan-14 13:14:09

It would be better if they had the sane tile as the Diana Memorial playground which is no unaccompanied adults allowed in (ie you have to be with a child)

ReluctantBeing Sun 05-Jan-14 13:14:20

It's not really the kind of place an adult would go to on their own though, is it?

Thurlow Sun 05-Jan-14 13:15:05

That's very odd. I can see that it is a kids/family fun park more than a zoo, and I suppose in that light it's similar to a soft play centre - I reckon most soft plays would be confused or wary if a single adult wanted to go in.

But there are still animals there...?

kinkyfuckery Sun 05-Jan-14 13:17:51

How about putting into place a rule that all children have to be supervised by a parent/adult?
No need to worry about a paedophile getting their mitts on your kid if you're watching them wink

CaptainTripps Sun 05-Jan-14 13:21:27

I'm sure other countries are not as ridiculously hysterical about the (very very slight) risk of stranger danger.

Does the UK breed more pedos or are we OTT?

VulvaVoom Sun 05-Jan-14 13:26:44

My DD has a single uncle (my DB) but if he wanted to meet us there our name would need to be bellowed over a tannoy first, as though he was being let into MI5.

Single men especially those with beards like he has clearly seem to frighten them, seems they have issues of their own smile

SaveMeTheLastGreenTriangle Sun 05-Jan-14 13:32:03

Very unfair! Can I also nominate "couples only" campsites? There's a lovely one in Wales i want to camp at but I will have to ask special permisson as a Single Person.

TurnOffTheTv Sun 05-Jan-14 13:39:31

Why on earth would anyone want to go to an adventure park that is filled with kids, by themselves anyway? I couldn't think of anything worse grin

happybubblebrain Sun 05-Jan-14 13:41:49

It certainly isn't safe to assume that all men with children are fine. So this rule isn't protecting anyone.

HesterShaw Sun 05-Jan-14 13:42:20

I don't know. To see the little goats and pigs? To have a go on rides? I like rides and farm animals.

In a non dodgy way of course.

SaveMeTheLastGreenTriangle Sun 05-Jan-14 16:29:23

Sometimes when you're single it's nice to go to places where lots of people are out having fun! Lonely walks in the woods can lose their appeal.

sicily1921 Sun 05-Jan-14 16:34:37

It is disgraceful.

Misspixietrix Sun 05-Jan-14 16:47:06

YNBU. How Bizarre confused.

Misspixietrix Sun 05-Jan-14 16:48:56

I know someone who meets her DD and GD at a similar place once a month. Can just imagine her having her name shouted over the tannoy blush.

HermioneWeasley Sun 05-Jan-14 16:50:23

The Diana Memorial playground in Kensington is the same - you can't get in without kids. But I guess that is more understandable because it is a playground so no reason to be there without.

AnitaManeater Sun 05-Jan-14 16:55:32

I think I know the place you mean. Near the seaside yes? The rule is ridiculous and a bit 'peadogedden' and me and DP were quite shocked when we saw it and wondered how such discrimination was allowed. There is nothing of any interest to a lone adult there but that's so not the point.

SaucyJack Sun 05-Jan-14 16:59:17

Doesn't bother me. I would assume that they wanted to cater only to families with children, and I can perfectly understand why. Doesn't necessarily mean it's anything to do with the paedofiddlers at all.

chocolatemademefat Sun 05-Jan-14 17:17:57

Is it only me or is there actually sense in this rule? What if the rule wasnt in place and a child was attacked in a quiet corner or went missing? no use being wise after the event. i take children to playrooms and often see single men in the play area and it makes me uncomfortable until i can be sure they are accompanying a child. Is the park in question not primarily meant for families/people with children? Spoke to my DH about this and he said no way would he go to a place like this on his own as he would definately feel uncomfortable.
The hurt feelings of a few people are nothing compared to the anguish felt when something happens to a child.
Im surprised the people responding are so liberal with their views - not the mumsnet I know. Get your heads out of the sand and be sensible.

Pipbin Sun 05-Jan-14 17:24:50

Not all single childless men are kiddy fiddlers you know. My DH gets very upset that people take the default position that all men are abusers.
There are not peados hiding behind every bush.

I think this policy sounds like guilty until proven innocent.

Be sensible? You are aware that it's not only single men who could attack a child in a quiet corner? It's creating a false safety net to assume that a man is automatically safe just because they are accompanied by a child the way you do. Some men will even use their child as bait to get another child to go with them. Get your head out of the sand and be sensible.

Pipbin Sun 05-Jan-14 17:26:42

Also, most children who are abused by people known to them, not some random stranger.
And yes, just because someone is a parent it doesn't mean they won't do anything.

MrsDeVere Sun 05-Jan-14 17:29:59

I would very much like to know what their reason is.
Surely they would have to explain if asked?

Bit pointless guessing.

VulvaVoom Sun 05-Jan-14 17:30:56

'What if the rule wasnt in place and a child was attacked in a quiet corner or went missing? no use being wise after the event'

So, that means not taking your children anywhere there could be a predatory single person mooching around then?

I don't think my views are particularly liberal at all, it seems totally shock to me to exclude individuals and very extreme too.

VulvaVoom Sun 05-Jan-14 17:32:51

Also, I'll admit I'm the sort of person who might be suspicious of men hanging around on their own near children but this is akin to shouting 'PAEDO, PAEDO, RUUUUNNNNNN!!!!'

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 05-Jan-14 17:34:48

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure DS pointed out to me recently that Lego Land has a no unaccompanied adults policy.
I can see both sides really. These are child based activities.

morethanpotatoprints Sun 05-Jan-14 17:35:10

I have been to similar places that have had this rule and it was due to people meeting inside and becoming intoxicated, its probably been used as a meeting place for stag/hen parties etc. It's surprising where they meet.
My ds1 meets his mates in lots of weird places in the quest for unusual venues for grooms. grin

MrsDeVere Sun 05-Jan-14 17:38:40

morethan that was my first thought.
More about adults thinking it would be a laugh to go and get pissed than about peedos.

lilyaldrin Sun 05-Jan-14 17:40:02

It is a bit odd that it's single adults - so a posse of paedos would be fine hmm

Lots of playgrounds have an "adults only if accompanied by a child" rule though which I think is fine.

GoldenGytha Sun 05-Jan-14 17:47:58

Well I'm a single adult, and my youngest DC is 20 years old, so I wouldn't be allowed in, unless with a child.

Seems like madness to me, I love animals and would happily go to see farm ones.

I can understand the playground ones, but what if you just wanted to go and see the animals?

LessMissAbs Sun 05-Jan-14 18:03:55

Some people find it relaxing looking at farmyard animals. I went to the zoo recently on my own - it was during the day, I had a holiday and DH was at work.

There seems to be an increasing obsession about not doing things on your own. Wherever you go, if you dare do anything without a companion, its like "You're not here ON YOUR OWN are you?"

Goodness knows what it must be like for a single man. Totally overreactionary.

Doinmummy Sun 05-Jan-14 18:11:20

The paedophile I knew has a wife and 2 daughters.

lilyaldrin Sun 05-Jan-14 18:17:28

If they wanted to avoid rowdy groups of adults, surely they'd require children to accompany them rather than just saying no lone adults?

trulymadlyme Sun 05-Jan-14 18:18:18

I think it is discriminatory and unnecessary. I often go to places on my own. Our local park has the sunniest benches next to the children's play area and if i choose to sit there then that is my choice. I am not there to harm anyone and all children should be accompanied and supervised as there are many dangers least of all predatory singles. I work in childcare and often go to visit an attraction to do a revue/risk assessment - is this not allowed?

MostWicked Sun 05-Jan-14 18:21:42

Why would a single adult want to go to a park like that on their own?
I don't see the problem with it.

There are plenty of open farms and parks that a single person could go to.

CaptainTripps Tue 07-Jan-14 15:23:42

The post by chocolatemademefat typifies the hysteria...and it is hysteria. Anyway, as Pipbin says, most children are abused by people known to them, not some random stranger.

(PS sorry but I really dislike the term kiddyfiddler as used by several on this thread)

justgirl Tue 07-Jan-14 16:11:59

I think some people are misunderstanding it/the playground has worded it incorrectly and the disclaimer is probably intended as lone adults....whether they be alone or in a group.

I am also shocked at people being aghast at the discrimination and then going on to complain about single MEN and being uneasy about single MEN being in soft plays until they are sure they are with a child?!

Seriously......are people still under the impression that women aren't a risk?! and frankly it annoys me beyond belief to know that there must be people judging my DP when he is out alone with our children at the soft play/park.

Will common sense ever prevail I wonder!

phantomnamechanger Tue 07-Jan-14 16:19:18

PS sorry but I really dislike the term kiddyfiddler as used by several on this thread

^ 100% agree, it's a vile term for a vile act, dressed up as a cutesy NN

phantomnamechanger Tue 07-Jan-14 16:22:59

and their wording is nonsensical anyway - their use of "single" - if you take your marriage cert to prove you are not a single man or woman, that's ok??

summersblue Tue 07-Jan-14 18:07:06

Is this sign even legal?

tolittletoolate Tue 07-Jan-14 18:23:04

is it Gullivers Land by any chance?

We went there during half term and they wouldn't let my husband in on his own, we were already in there and he came later. Poor sod was trying to ring us to come to the entrance and prove he had a child and isn't a paedophile! !

tolittletoolate Tue 07-Jan-14 18:25:02

Although I really don't know why someone would go there without having children with them, there are no real thrill rides and it is mostly for kids.

Sadoldbear Tue 07-Jan-14 18:34:29

Tough if you're interested in the Falconry event in Feb. And are you able to shop in their farmshop?

The website says that they want to keep it a family attraction, I went to the Warrington one a lot when mine were young.

It was good because it was only little ones and didn't attract adults/teens, unlike other attractions, which I moved on to, as they grew.

I don't see the problem, tbh.

AlpacaPicnic Tue 07-Jan-14 19:36:10

I suspect it is, as others have said, a clumsy worded attempt to say Adults must be accompanied by a child.

Isn't there a park in London where this is the rule? Corams fields, something like that?

VivaLeBeaver Tue 07-Jan-14 19:39:55

Its Sundown isn't it? If not then they have the same sign on their gates.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 07-Jan-14 19:46:27

Although Sundown don't have animals, and I just looked on their website and can't see anything so maybe its changed.

Gullivers website however does say no childless adults allowed. But they don't have animals either do they - didn't at Matlock when I last went. So as its all kids rides only can't really see why an adult without a child would want to go to there. I guess as its private property they can do what they want. Maybe they've had problems with drunken groups trying to jam themselves into the teacups?

lozster Tue 07-Jan-14 20:22:16

A park near great Ormond street also has (or did have) this rule enforced by security. My other half had sat down to eat a sandwich accompanied by his sister. It is fairly insulting and begs the question of whether security who enforce the rule might be better just keeping an eye on the kids safety rather than focusing on checking each adult has a kiddie with them. Reasons for a single person being in a park might be sandwich eating, having a sit down, checking out the equipment for your own kids/nieces etc, seeing what your council tax has been spent on... Or even (shock horror) enjoying seeing children have fun.

MrsDeVere Tue 07-Jan-14 20:27:20

Isn't the Coram's field thing historic?

I may be making this up but I thought it was because of some {insert legal term here} because the land has to be used for the enjoyment of London's children.

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