AIBU to think that sooo many people have lazy or non-existent hygiene stadards?

(112 Posts)
madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 14:53:56

I just despair at people's disregard for basic hygiene.
Bathroom sinks at people's houses with no soap, let alone a nailbrush,
greasy hair, dirty toilets, grubby fingernails, animal hair floating around and cats sitting on food-preparation surfaces. Am I stuffy or are people really grim about hygiene these days, despite how easy we have it wrt access to soap + hotwater?

hahahahahahah biscuit

TheGirlOnTheLanding Fri 03-Jan-14 14:56:25

Genuinely don't ever see this in anyone's home I visit. A bit of child-related untidiness and clutter, but dirtiness, never.

Quangle Fri 03-Jan-14 14:56:37

blimey it's never occurred to me to put a nail brush next to the basin confused

Soap, I do have though.

Wevet Fri 03-Jan-14 14:56:46

Who are these 'people'? Do you just have a really grubby circle of friends?

ExcuseTypos Fri 03-Jan-14 14:57:36

I only know one person who a bit lax in that department. She and her dc have all survived so I don't think it really does anyone any harm.
So it boils down to personal preference doesn't it?

Piscivorus Fri 03-Jan-14 14:58:27

A bit of muck is good for you. You are more likely to develop asthma and have a lower immune system if things are too clean.

ExcuseTypos Fri 03-Jan-14 14:58:34

I was going to ask how come you know a lot of people like this.

Do you mix in aristocratic circles?

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 14:59:06

I wonder whether I might actually wevet much as I love them.
Or of course it could be me...

brettgirl2 Fri 03-Jan-14 14:59:20

Why is it an issue there is no nail brush, were you thinking of using it? shock

SaucyJack Fri 03-Jan-14 14:59:28

Why does it matter how I other people choose to live?

JinglingRexManningDay Fri 03-Jan-14 15:00:06

No nail brush shock

ReallyTired Fri 03-Jan-14 15:00:39

lol... somone has far too much time on their hands!!

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:01:21

I'm not talking about a house being perfectly clean - God knows mine isn't. Just frequent hand washing, a clean toilet, daily-ish shower and no animals near food.

NinjaBunny Fri 03-Jan-14 15:01:46

I've never seen a nail brush in real life.

They were mentioned briefly in Jane Eyre and What Katy Did. But other than that I've not heard them talked about.


Can anyone recommend a film that may have one in?


ikeaismylocal Fri 03-Jan-14 15:02:47

Nail brush next to the sink?! I have never seen this.

As for greasy hair is another person's greasy hair going to effect you? My hair gets greasy in about 7/8 hours, I shower every morning but if I want to go out for an afterwork drink I have to use dry shampoo or I look like I havnt washed in weeks, often after a long day my hair looks greasy.

I think you are being unpleasantly judgemental.

Hoppinggreen Fri 03-Jan-14 15:02:48

Never come across this at any of my friends of families houses.
Someone needs to get new ( more house proud) friends methinks!!

WigWearer Fri 03-Jan-14 15:02:56

YABU. Nailbrushes are filthy, germ-ridden things. Like crusty flannels <shudder>

A nailbrush??? Crumbs, if I did have one of those (didn't they go out with the ark though) I certainly wouldn't want the world and his wife using it too. Soap of course is a must. My cat does like to get on the work top although I do chuck her off every time, she is such a skank smile

Nail brush?? Think my nan had one of those.. but then my nan was a bit of a hoarder

Aren't nail brushes unhygienic anyway?

BoysiesBack Fri 03-Jan-14 15:04:15

I have hand wash in my bathroom but not a nail brush. Do people leave them on the sink? Do you need a special one for guests?

My bathroom does get slightly grubby on odd occasions too, I have 4 boys and a busy life, it happens.

I've also had to leave the house with greasy hair once or twice. Sometimes there's just no time to shower before the school run in the mornings when you've got 3 DCs who need to be physically fed & changed. I do shower when I get back though.

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:05:10

Why? Just musing really. Was at a friend's yesterday and her toddler lobbed her dummy on the floor. One of the dogs came over and touched his nose on it and my friend just gave it back to her. Stuff like that is what I'm talking about. Little things but lots of them. No soap in a bathroom is just a mystery to me. It wasn't a one-off -I visit this (other) person a lot and there's never any soap. She's a nurse too. It just puzzles me.

UriGeller Fri 03-Jan-14 15:08:42

I have a nail brush! Brilliant for getting the garden muck out from under my nails. "Gone out with the ark?" Its Alessi fgs!

UriGeller Fri 03-Jan-14 15:10:13

In a house with a toddler and a dog, I can bet you there's worse things going on that giving the child a dummy that the dog has sniffed!

Methe Fri 03-Jan-14 15:10:50

You'd hate my house op but I expect the feeling would be mutual.

If you don't have a nail brush how do you get muck from under fingernails?

uncomfortablydumb Fri 03-Jan-14 15:12:39

It was nailbrush that jumped out of the OP at me too. I think I have one somewhere, but I wouldn't want to share it. Why would it need to be next to the kitchen sink.

It also seems like I have the same hair as ikeaismylocal isn't it a PITA

It sounds like you need different friends. You don't seem to like the ones you have.

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:12:56

Ok I'm taking from this thread that I'm a stuffy old bint grin
I did ask.

I have 2 nail brushes, reet posh I am. The house is in a mess but at least I have clean nails.

I have clean nails and no nail brush. It comes out when I wash my hands (if they are dirty I mean).

Audilover Fri 03-Jan-14 15:15:21

We have 2 nail brushes.
1 is used for scrubbing potatoes and the other is used for cleaning football boots. grin

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:15:46

I adore my friends. They know I think they should all have nailbrushes. They just laugh at me and call me a clean-freak.

look, I will confess to owning a nailbrush - but that is purely mine for my own personal use.

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:16:47

Exactly, picasso

Selks Fri 03-Jan-14 15:18:48

I'm surprised at the disdain shown on here towards the poor old nailbrush! I would have thought every house would have else do you get your hands clean after mucky jobs like gardening? Or do some of you never get your hands dirty...grin?
Saying that, mine lives in the bathroom cabinet, not next to the sink, and I would not consider a deficit in someone's hygiene practices not to have one.

<looks at nails>

Look pretty clean to me, and without a nail brush. Think the question is, how do you get them so dirty that you need a nail brush to get them clean where normal cleaning should do the job? wink

and yes... I keep it in the bathroom on the sink blush - however, my hair is currently greasy, and I will be going out to walk the dog like that later. I have no dummy suckers, but I recently had my niece crawling around the dry dog food that trashdog was munching on, and I didn't leap in to stop her 'sharing'. I'm a big fan of experiential learning grin

Call me stupid but what are you doing in someone else's bathroom that would require you to use a nail brush?

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:22:24

goths changing nappies, cleaning potties

Did you know that nail brushes cause skin abrasions and can actually increase the number of bacteria on your hands? Hence it no longer being recommended for surgeons to literally "scrub" up but instead do a thorough surgical hand wash?

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Fri 03-Jan-14 15:22:47

My brother treats his dogs like children and lets them lick children's faces and eat scraps off the table. I hate it but I don't see him very often and it's not really done my kids any harm I guess.

My dh grew up on a farm and came into contact with all sorts, the house was never very clean, there were 7 kids and it was a working farm so his mum didn't have much time on her hands to clean. He has the strongest immune system I know and never comes down with colds or coughs.

I have been to people's houses with carpeted toilets, black mildew all over their bathroom windows and clothes everywhere - up the stairs, in the sink, the bath, etc.

People have different standards. I wouldn't judge them for it, only if it reached an unacceptable level where they or their kids were suffering because of it, i.e. neglect.

I've also been in super clean houses where everything is pretty much steam cleaned and there's not an ounce of dust anywhere. I couldn't live like that.

I think I'm somewhere inbetween.

Feminine Fri 03-Jan-14 15:24:01

I keep a nail brush near my basin... I change it once a month otherwise it defeats the purpose. I change the families toothbrushes then too! grin

I keep our bathroom exceptionally clean.

It is a downstairs old fashioned place, it keeps it fresh.

Our new cat is banned from work surfaces as was our old ones...

my oven is disgusting

MadameBigToes Fri 03-Jan-14 15:24:22

Weeell I live in a pretty fluff-filled, unkempt home so I realise people who really are clean freaks might find my house gross. But I try to keep up general cleanliness, clean toilet, clean sinks, fridge and food preparation etc. I am aware of what kinds of unhygienic behaviour are dangerous IYSWIM.

Therefore I find some friends' places disgusting fpr specific reasons. Like the friends who had a load of full, stinky binbags in their LOUNGE waiting for bin day (presumably). Also have a friend who is a doctor, but whose kids are very frequently ill with allergies and chest problems. Their bathroom is heaving with black mould which can be really harmful, and on a weekkend away with them I found a layer of black mould inside the spout of their toddler's sippy cup! - due to repeatedly not being washed out properly. Bleugh.

No excuse for these people - they are all educated, able-bodied etc.

I'm so worried about the mould I've been trying to think about how to say something but I haven't dared yet.

cate16 Fri 03-Jan-14 15:24:48

We have a nail brush, however I am now going to move it- the thought that a visitor might use it grosses me out.

Catsmamma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:25:05

how else would one clean one's nails??

Why baking of course...nice bit of sweetshortcrust, all that rubbing in with the flour and butter will fairly lift the grime out.

Fruit Tartlet anyone??

But I do those things too madmomma and my nails still get clean if I wash them without using a nail brush confused

monet3 Fri 03-Jan-14 15:27:27

Eww I dont have dirty friends. I dont know anyone that has a nail brush we all have mani and pedis once a week.

ouryve Fri 03-Jan-14 15:27:59

You mus keep some interesting company, OP.

And nail brushes are revolting things. If I'be been outside digging up veg and, despite plastic gloves, have dirt under my nails that I can't scrape out, then I might use an old toothbrush, or even the same brush I use to brush the dirt off the veg. That's rare though.

Same here murder confused must be the super way we wash hands!

LondonNinja Fri 03-Jan-14 15:28:52

I think it's odd to have no soap on the sink, especially in a loo. Ick. Wouldn't want to share a nailbrush though!

Feminine Fri 03-Jan-14 15:29:15

Most of the germs are under the nails goth

They might look clean... wink

MadameBigToes Fri 03-Jan-14 15:30:26

I associate nail brushes with the ancient manky bathroom at my granddad's house when I was a child, and the ancient manky soap he had. Also hate the feeling of using them.

I think you can be clean without a nail brush. We have pump dispenser handwash by the sink and if mine or kids' nails are mucky I clean under them when clipping them - however they generally aren't.

feminine And that way madness lies! grin

monet3 Fri 03-Jan-14 15:32:02

I was my hands a zillion times a day, they dont get time to be dirty.

softlysoftly Fri 03-Jan-14 15:32:06

I just run my skanky nails through my greasy hair. Slides right out.

LynetteScavo Fri 03-Jan-14 15:33:02

I would be grossed out if I went to someones house and saw a nailbrush and a bar of soap.

Liquid soap and a clean, dry hand towel, though please.

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:34:32

charlady that's very interesting. Maybe I will ditch the nailbrush habit.

Feminine Fri 03-Jan-14 15:36:59

In case anyone missed my previous informative post.

Nail brushes are supposed to be changed very regularly.

Like toothbrushes.

That is why they are only about 88p! grin

They are invigorating when used properly! grin

NoComet Fri 03-Jan-14 15:38:05

I agree with no animals near food, otherwise I don't give a flying fuck.

My DDad and DSIS are allergic to furry things and my DM is way more house proud than me, so I wasn't brought up with pets.

I'm sure if you've always had pets that have their food bowls, beds, litter trays in the kitchen, and never got ill, you don't give a flying fuck about that either.

monet3 Fri 03-Jan-14 15:38:13

What do you do to get them so dirty they need scrubbing?

madmomma Fri 03-Jan-14 15:38:47

I agree feminine

We have a nail brush, in the shower. DH is a mechanical engineer and occasionally comes home up to the eyes in oil. Soap alone won't shift that.

DD (2) has been caught scrubbing the shower tray out with it lol.

MickeyMixer Fri 03-Jan-14 15:43:18

I had no idea my home was so deadly until this thred made me look into it!! Aagh!

PennySillin Fri 03-Jan-14 15:45:42

I would be grossed out if I went to someones house and saw a nailbrush and a bar of soap.

I'm with Lynette, liquid soap and a clean towel, I would never use a nail brush in someone elses house.

Chivetalking Fri 03-Jan-14 15:46:11

I've never been able to make a nailbrush work grin

I can't say I get up close and personal with other people's nails but I do think there's a substantial minority whose personal hygiene leaves a lot to be desired.

Feminine Fri 03-Jan-14 15:46:47

monet nothing spectacularly dirty.

Germs are everywhere (obviously) They thrive under the nails.

Of course good old hand washing is fine. It is just better with a brush too! grin

MrsBennetsEldest Fri 03-Jan-14 15:55:52

Nailbrushes are a must for getting ingrained blood out of your skin/nails.
We have one in each bathroom/ shower room/ loo.
Family of butchers smile

Feminine Fri 03-Jan-14 16:07:11

They are also really useful for removing stains from clothes with Morrison's own brand bog standard soap!

Damnautocorrect Fri 03-Jan-14 16:15:17

My nail brush is in my bathroom draw, so it's there I just don't feel the need to display it.

MrsBennetsEldest Fri 03-Jan-14 16:15:30

Also good for brushing dried mud off the bottom of school trousers when there are no others clean.

UriGeller Fri 03-Jan-14 16:21:25

Now there's real filth Mickey, can you get an eyeball brush for when you've been looking at the daily mail? grin

NinjaBunny Fri 03-Jan-14 16:27:58

Why baking of course...nice bit of sweetshortcrust, all that rubbing in with the flour and butter will fairly lift the grime out.

Fruit Tartlet anyone??


mistlethrush Fri 03-Jan-14 16:34:43

I've got 3 nailbrushes - one by each sink - so that anyone that's been in the garden and got LOTS of mud under their nails can scrub it out. But I have liquid soap and a bar of soap by each basin too as I only use the bars, being allergic to the liquid stuff. Lest anyone think I'm too clean, DS found that the dog toys were particularly good for teething on (they were removed as soon as we spotted them anywhere near him but sometimes he was just too quick and the dog used to drop things if he approached)

Btw, just curious if this is just my toddler.. but how can you be too bothered by cleanliness once you have a toddler?! I stopped worrying about little things like dummies falling on the floor etc when I found him licking the bottom of his wellies. hmm

NigellasDealer Fri 03-Jan-14 16:41:48

nailbrushes are essential if there is anyone in the house who mucks out and sees to horses.......

Fannydabbydozey Fri 03-Jan-14 16:43:32

I HAVE A NAIL BRUSH! And it is by a sink!

I got it in a Christmas cracker.

Can I admit I put it by the kitchen sink as it is a fetching shade of blue and matches the kitchen feature wall?

Now, how does one use the bugger?

AwkwardSquad Fri 03-Jan-14 18:23:24

I use my Lakeland grout brush when my nails are particularly earthy grin.

Weelady77 Fri 03-Jan-14 19:56:03

I have a nail brush in the shower as DH gets minging hands at work! But I don't know anyone else who has one there never on show either is mine it's in the shower! And I agree reminds me of old people with old soapshock

squoosh Fri 03-Jan-14 19:59:04


elvesavleftdabildin Fri 03-Jan-14 20:04:31

Not inviting you 'round my house again momma. So judge mental. blush

elQuintoConyo Fri 03-Jan-14 20:10:43

I have a nailbrush. It's purple. It lives in a drawer in t.t bathroom. I use it to clean my nails before putting my contact lenses in/out. I know bacteria frequently hold parties under there and fear getting something minging growing in my eye hmm

I grew up eating mud pies and kissing worms after chasing my bigger dsis round the garden with them and I'm still alive to tell the tale. I have had flu just twice in my life, never been to hospital (apart from giving birth), never broken a bone, no fillings in my teeth.

ohmymimi Fri 03-Jan-14 20:11:03

I always thought the best way to get your nails clean was kneading bread/pastry/pasta dough. Works for me anyway.

Caitlin17 Fri 03-Jan-14 20:15:13

You'd hate my house. We have soap dispensers and clean towels but no nail brushes, 4 cats and I'm not in the least bit bothered about them jumping on the table or the kitchen island.

ohmymimi Fri 03-Jan-14 20:19:27

Seriously, a good nail brushing is needed after gardening. Now if you want something really festering with bacteria, I give you the tea towel. Disgusting things.

HOMEQCRICH Fri 03-Jan-14 20:22:55

I find I can clean undee my nails using my opposing hands nails then lather and rinse..

squoosh Fri 03-Jan-14 20:24:30

So much crud gets under fingernails, nailbrushes are the best way of getting rid of this, I didn't realise they were seen as being antiquated!

Caitlin17 Fri 03-Jan-14 20:26:52

We have a gardener so I'm fine then.

My son was brought up in my squalid house and when we dropped him off at hall of residence for first year uni he had to fill in a form with his doctor's name."Mum, who is my doctor?"Me Doctor Y"., son Who is he?" having never been near him after his MMR. The only time I recall him being sick was the Captain Scarlet birthday cake incident (which I didn't make but vomiting up red fondant icing didn't half scare us)

Dingleinthevillage Fri 03-Jan-14 20:27:34

My husband is vile. He'd never not have a shower etc but I still have to tell him to wash his hands before he touches food! Don't care if he poisons himself but over Christmas with all that pulling out cold joints to carve he would just lunge at them with a knife and his hand on the other bit. Disgusting! Causes a row every time too.

squoosh Fri 03-Jan-14 20:29:34

Oh I'm no clean freak, the sickly ones are always the ones who rub down their antibacterial cleaner with antibacterial wipes and then clean their hands with antibacterial gel.

Show bacteria some love people, it's your friend!

AwkwardSquad Fri 03-Jan-14 20:31:19

Tea towels aren't minting if they're washed after use rather than being left to dry off repeatedly. DP went on a food hygiene course and is now Tea Towel Police.

AwkwardSquad Fri 03-Jan-14 20:31:34


I have a nail brush.

I was going to say YANBU, I thought it was going to be a thread about a thread. I don't understand, barring disability why people don't wash and clean.

However, I have a cat that will only drink from running tap water and a very hairy German Shepherd.

I worry about harmful bacteria, food hygiene etc, but not dirt that doesn't cause illness.

I try to keep on top of dog hair, but unless I am baby sitting, I won't Hoover up more than once a day, unless I leave the Hoover out and just keep at it (yes my days can be that empty).

It takes money to wash and dry, so I can understand people minimising that.

I don't know if you are UR or not, it depends on the level and kind of dirt.

minifingers Fri 03-Jan-14 20:32:06

No nail brush here. How have I got to the age of 47 NOT washing my hands every 20 minutes, and letting my dog mill around shedding hair in the kitchen and not made myself of my children ill?


Or is it that we are all just blessed with guts of steel?

I wouldn't use tea towels (shudder).

I often wonder why the residents on "how clean is your house" don't get all the illnesses listed, based on the bacteria, damp, hair etc.

There should be research into that.

Iwilltrythisnamefornow Fri 03-Jan-14 20:37:54

Although my cleanliness standards are no doubt nowhere near as high as yours, I do appreciate clean-freaks as they give me something to aspire to in my fantasy life where the house is immaculate

Hence, I have to vote YANBU smile

MrsDavidBowie Fri 03-Jan-14 20:38:01

I don 't wash fruit. shock

but I do have a nailbrush for ds when he has been playing football.

The two dirtiest houses I have ever visited belonged to mumsnetters!

Absolute filth!!

Caitlin17 Fri 03-Jan-14 20:43:53

Birdsgottafly I agree. I don't post on these threads to be all wacky about this. I genuinely don't care and my household genuinely has never suffered any of the horrors predicted.

For myself I think growing up drinking unpasteurised milk from our own cows, eating cheese and butter made from it, eating eggs from our own extremely free range hens and ducks and eating said hens and ducks might have helped.

Caitlin17 Fri 03-Jan-14 20:47:08

MrsDB I don't wash fruit either. I didn't eat wash home grown fruit when I was a child and definitely remember eating baby carrots straight from the garden just wiping the earth off.

lljkk Fri 03-Jan-14 20:48:57

But how clean do we NEED to be? All this angst over hygiene seems so ridiculous to me. It's cultural, and culture changes. There are no unassailable standards, just fashionable trends.

grumpyoldbat Fri 03-Jan-14 20:56:33

Only the soap sits by the sink everything else is in drawers. It's tidier and a belt and braces approach to hygiene as I feel flushing with the lid down is not enough. I also keep my nails very short and do a clinical hand wash most times.

Tea towels are changed with each washing up.

I shower every day and wash my hair. However my hair is generally starting to get greasy again by the end of my shift. As there's no showering facilities and I want to get home I end up outside with greasy hair. It's just the type of hair I have. Guess that means I've non existent hygiene standards hmm

Madeupnamelady Fri 03-Jan-14 21:15:46

Do you mix in aristocratic circles? Ha Ha

Have you looked to see if there are any hand sanitizer dispensers on the walls? You may have missed them. If not perhaps you could offer to fit some. Another thing you could do is carry a handy pack of antiseptic wipes when you next visit. If you make sure you wipe all the surfaces etc that you come in contact with, hopefully you will avoid having contact with said grot and scum. Make sure you offer them around when theres a dog nose/dummy drop incident. yoou wouldn't want to appear selfish. HTH

I never needed a nail brush until I got sculptured nail extensions. They leave a ridge on the underside of your nail where dirt would gather that wouldn't disappear with normal handwashing.

Other than that I'm a right skanky cow.

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO Fri 03-Jan-14 21:27:06


I cannot think of a more vile horrid harbour of worm eggs and general dirt than a nail brush!

Op people who make these wild accusations like you are the people who think they clean a cup with a old germ infested scrubber used for the past year, in a sink of old dirty water with everyone elses germs floating round in it.

sockssandalsandafork Fri 03-Jan-14 21:28:14

Why would you need a nail brush when you have a bog brush ... has nobody heard of duel purpose these days! nobody the country is on its knees.

I'm still reeling at the poster yesterday who had never had a skidmark or a pebbledash in their toilet and therefore had never had to do any more than 'drizzle' a little bleach to ensure a spanking pan!

happytalk13 Fri 03-Jan-14 21:36:16

You ain't seen nothing OP and are being a tad precious.

Now, if you'd said you'd opened a fridge and it was covered in a layer of mould then I might be able to agree with you on judgement of rankness.

MajesticWhine Fri 03-Jan-14 21:38:05

I think we have a nail brush upstairs somewhere. I have never been hugely bothered about hygiene, especially not since having a dog. We also operate a 10 second rule for food dropped on the floor. We don't seem to have any more illnesses than anyone else though.... so why does it matter?

FestiveChopinLizt Fri 03-Jan-14 21:39:29

We have nailbrushes, old fashioned soap bars, proper flannels and...


Also plenty dog hair floating about.

ComposHat Fri 03-Jan-14 21:44:49

Have my first ODFOD!

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Fri 03-Jan-14 21:48:09

I have a nail brush. Somewhere. Its for taking dog shit, mud off The 'Tudes wellies/trainers.

I don't have soap. Soap is rank and reminds me of my nanna with soap cars so slim that you break in half when you look at them.

I have hand sanitizer in with the toilet ams another in the bathroom

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