To think ds will be eaten alive if he wears his team scarf to the match?

(275 Posts)
BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 19:21:03

We live near Blue Town. Ds (15) supports Red City FC but has never been to a premiership match. For Christmas we got ds and the whole family tickets to see the match between Blue Town and Red City when the reds play here.

Ds is insistent that he will wear his Red City scarf and cheer loudly for the reds despite us being seated right in the middle of the Blue Town stands. He thinks because he's only 15 and cute the blue fans won't mind. hmm

I haven't been to a match since 1986 for a while, so have no idea what to expect. Will we actually get out with all our limbs intact if ds does this? Should I ban him from wearing anything red or is football now family-friendly entertainment where the home crowd ruffle the young lad's head and congratulate him when his team thrash the home team?

(For context Blue Town is fairly well known as 'rough' and there were no options to get tickets in family friendly seats.)

Tips, advice and sneering derision constructive comment welcome. smile

AwfulMaureen Wed 01-Jan-14 19:22:46

I wouldn't let him. That's all....

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 19:23:49

Cant advise, although from my limited experience of premiership football you are probably right.

sad though that people have to basically hide who they support in order to not be victim of a small minority of idiots

CrohnicallySick Wed 01-Jan-14 19:25:04

Well, when two neighbouring cities play each other near where I live, they wouldn't let you in wearing the opposite team's colours, they keep the fans as segregated as possible. So I think it would be very foolish to wear the scarf, and he ought to just keep his mouth shut.

Manchesterhistorygirl Wed 01-Jan-14 19:25:05

Hide his scarf NOW! You are very right, sadly.

BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 19:25:29

Ds losing 2-0 so far

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 19:25:50

christ I hope you don't let him.....

CajaDeLaMemoria Wed 01-Jan-14 19:25:55

Don't do this.

If you are sitting in the Blue Town stands, you need to at least behave like you are supporting them. You don't need to celebrate their goals (if they score them) but you do need to resist celebrating Red City goals. That's the etiquette. It's especially difficult if the two teams are rivals, but that is the way it is.

15 isn't young, either. He won't get special treatment, and the wardens may well take a special interest in him if he goes in a Red City scarf. They'll probably take it off him until the end of the game. They won't want trouble, and he'll look like he is deliberately trying to cause it.

I've sat in the "wrong" stands for a number of matches against various teams, but you need to do it right, or you have to buy away tickets.

I get the feeling that it isn't what you want to hear, and I don't want to make football sound like it's a bunch of hooligans, but there is absolutely no way I'd do this. And I'm female, so I get away with more than most at the grounds!

TheBigJessie Wed 01-Jan-14 19:26:28

For godlets' sake no way should he wear that scarf!

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 19:27:04

have you never been to a game then?

HappyTalking Wed 01-Jan-14 19:27:12

If he was to wear an opposition scarf in the home end at the premier league club i watch, the stewards would remove him from the ground.

If he sits there cheering the other team he is liable to be given some verbal abuse at the least.

Football is a lot more family friendly now but there are still some people who will look for any excuse to cause trouble.

AwfulMaureen Wed 01-Jan-14 19:28:29
HappyJustToBe Wed 01-Jan-14 19:29:16

My DB did this at 7ish and was fine. 15 would be fair game sadly.

Suttonmum1 Wed 01-Jan-14 19:29:22

Other home fans in the stand may object and the rules on ticket sales are such that he could easily get thrown out

What caja says. Spot on.

BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 19:29:44

Yoyu are all confirming what I thought. V helpful.
Ds wont believe me but he will believe you. I have told him of the Power of MN.

BackforGood Wed 01-Jan-14 19:31:44

You used to be able to do this but sadly the stewards are totally lacking any common sense anymore. I saw 2 lads thrown out for jumping up when their team scored last year. We had gone with a school party and it was obvious some of the oarents would suprt the othr side, and everyone was joshing a bit and giving some friendly banter, but the stewards still threw them out although they'd done nothing.
I mentioned it to my BiL who has a season ticket and says if the person he normally goes with cant make it, hes not allowed to take anothr person with him, even as a season ticket holder.
So, sadly, id advise him to leave scarf at home and not celebrate any goals.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 19:32:11

surely at 15 he'd realise this???

cant believe a 15 yr old would rather listen to mumsnet re advice about a football match rather than using his own sense or asking his pals but there you go

AlexVause Wed 01-Jan-14 19:36:09

Oh no, please don't let him wear it.

BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 19:36:32

Ds says he won't celebrate any goals. I've read your answers to him and the penny is starting to drop slowly

I've also had to explain to him that there is no bloody point hiding his scarf in his bag either.

Thank you.

fridayfreedom Wed 01-Jan-14 19:36:57

My friends son got beaten up for wearing a blue team scarf in red teams town. I wouldn't let him wear it.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 19:37:13

seriously betty, surely he knows better than this?

Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 19:37:33

my son goes to football every single week he wouldn't sit in the opposite teams end anyway but certainly not with his scarf on!!! At 15 there not cute in men's eyes!

aderynlas Wed 01-Jan-14 19:37:39

If you sit in the oppositions end you dont wear colours and you sit on your hands. My dh could blend in quite easily but i would give myself away in less than two mins. Quiet in life but very noisey at football !!

XiCi Wed 01-Jan-14 19:37:45

He sounds very naive for a 15 yr old. At the very least he will get alot of (probably very nasty) verbal abuse. I'd imagine that it would ruin the day for you and the rest of the family. You need to properly explain before you go what the consequences of his actions could be.

BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 19:40:19

ssd - not being streetwise he genuinely didn't.
he does now wink

Have to go out now but thank you again all.

Holycowiloveyoureyes Wed 01-Jan-14 19:52:58

I actually thought it was an offence to knowingly sit in the wrong end. I'm sure you can be ejected from the ground.

TallulahBetty Wed 01-Jan-14 20:00:01

Unlikely he'd even be let in. My local team (for whom I have a season ticket, so know what I an talking about) will not let someone in the opposite end.

DH is a red fan, he will not wear any identifying red when going to a blue match.

Hooliganism is well on its way back, and if you don't have any drink on you they don't care what gets taken in the stands, knives and glass is common. And if you think there will be stewards you are kidding yourself.

Don't let him

NatashaBee Wed 01-Jan-14 20:04:51

God no, glad you managed to change his mind.

SaveMeTheLastGreenTriangle Wed 01-Jan-14 20:23:15

OK at the rugby. Not OK at football.

crabwoman Wed 01-Jan-14 20:39:46

Has he been to a football match before? He would be subject to a lot of dirty looks at the very best, and at 15 he would be fair game for verbal abuse. And all it takes is one drunk nut for things to get very nasty. It would be uncomfortable for everyone. Assuming the stewards would allow him in wearing it in the first place....

DH is a arsenal season ticket holder so pretty expert. He says that if you're specifically in the family enclosure, you might be ok, contact the ground in advance. If it's the normal stands, they won't let him in, and if they do, or he puts it on once he's sat down or something, someone will point him out to the stewards and he'll be ejected.

furlinedsheepskinjacket Wed 01-Jan-14 20:43:44

how sad I had no idea

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 20:44:42

we were at a big game on boxing day, the blues and the reds, you wouldnt get a 15 yr old wearing the wrong scarf in any stand there, and its not just the stands you need to look out for, the visiting supporters are kept away from the home ones, cant believe you're even asking the question

Teeb Wed 01-Jan-14 20:44:43

You'd be removed from the stadium pretty much straight away. Although probably not quickly enough to get a hell of a lot of abuse, which would quite frankly be deserved for such a volatile act of confrontation on the part of your DS.

Honestly, with the attitude your son has the people sitting around you will smell it a mile off that you aren't 'theirs' and won't be best pleased at all about a derby rival being in their pack. I really would try to get tickets in the away allocation or not go if you don't think he's capable of behaving.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 20:46:27

yeah I'd sell the tickets and stick to the panto

LittleTulip Wed 01-Jan-14 20:46:37

I would not be wearing my team colours in the opposing teams seating area full stop!

Just clarified to DH that he's 15. DH has now changed his advice (thought I was asking about a six or seven year old) to absolutely not, the best that will happen is that he would get abuse hurled at him for the time it took for the stewards to boot him out. Because he'd look like he was deliberately looking for trouble and there are always people happy to oblige, especially if it's a tense match.

MyNameIsWinkly Wed 01-Jan-14 20:48:56

Having worked as a police officer at football matches, and had to be a human shield so the away fans could get to their coaches without being bottled or getting a kicking, I would suggest your son would be a grade one idiot to do what he's suggesting. Anyone who tells you football is a family friendly game hasn't attended the matches I've been at.

Teeb Wed 01-Jan-14 20:49:58

Can I ask why you bought tickets at all in the wrong part of the stadium? Many fans consider it hugely insulting to have football tourists hijack their seating allocation. Even more insulting if they aren't even there to support the home team.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 20:53:11

agree with teeb

when we went to the boxing day game the kids and dh supported the visiting team more, but wore no colours..clapped and cheered when the home team played well and then won, basically enjoyed the game for what it was and didnt do anything daft

Floggingmolly Wed 01-Jan-14 20:54:55

You thought he'd be ok because he's cute??????

SuckItAndSee Wed 01-Jan-14 20:58:20

DH saw a grown man spit on a five year old boy wearing the "wrong" colours at a match. This is the level of idiocy you are dealing with. He must not wear colours.

I've been in the "wrong" end on occasion, but one needs to be discreet in order to avoid carrying one's face home in a bag, indeed just to get past security.

IamInvisible Wed 01-Jan-14 21:02:02

No don't do it. Infact I am quite sure he wouldn't be allowed into the stands.

DS1 went to watch 'his team' play another team with the school. They were in the other team's stand, it was their colours or neutral clothing only.

DS1 went because he loves his team, but he hated not being able to celebrate the goals, wear his shirt etc.

ashtrayheart Wed 01-Jan-14 21:03:42

Definitely not a good idea. But I will never understand the extremist football mentality, ever. Spitting on children confused

flowery Wed 01-Jan-14 21:05:17

Seems a real shame for his first premier league match to be in the opposing end where he'll have to sit quietly. We are season ticket holders and DS1 has recently got very into football, so we've taken him for his first couple of matches. He was incredibly excited and loved feeling part of a huge group all supporting our team, singing our song, etc.

Topaz25 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:05:31

YANBU. I used to work as a steward at football matches. Football is not family friendly and some people take it very seriously. At best there is a risk of verbal abuse, at worst violence. The away fans are seated separately specifically to avoid tension. If I were you I would try to get tickets to the away stands as even if he doesn't wear his colours, your son will find it difficult not being able to celebrate his team's goals.

Thisvehicleisreversing Wed 01-Jan-14 21:10:38

As a 13 yo I was at my home teams ground wearing my home town scarf. As I waited for my lift a mini bus of away fans drove past. It stopped in front of me and grown men shouted out of the window how they were going to get my scarf off me and burn it and if I was wearing anything else with my team on they'd burn that too whether I was wearing it or not.

I was a lone 13 year old girl at my own team's stadium. Does your 15 year old boy honestly think he'd be left alone?

Superfudge Wed 01-Jan-14 21:16:02

Definitely wear neutral clothes. Avoid shouting out if the Red Team score or go forward. Get up and clap/cheer if the Blue team score. It is horrible to do, and that's why I refuse to sit with opposition fans.

I have been a season ticket holder at a Premier League (and now Championship) club since I was 10. Time and time again people, often from red Northern teams I might add, sit in with the home fans, being blatantly obvious. It is incredibly easy to tell. Facial expressions and body language very often give it away, e.g. Smiling when the home team miss a penalty or a shot goes over the crossbar. Most of the time it is fine, but on several occasions the opposing fans have been ejected from the ground or have been visibly intimiated from the reactions of others around them saying things. I don't think it's worth it.

It takes a special kind of idiot to sit in opposing end, for whatever reason. Honestly? He will get his ass kicked then thrown out.

choccyp1g Wed 01-Jan-14 21:24:58
Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:26:06

Another thing is he won't be a little boy as there will be lots and lots of streetwise boys there and they take it extremely serious!! My 15 year old is a season ticket holder for the green side in Glasgow and when he went to old firm games I used to worry myself silly until he was home, it's sad that it happens but some people are die hards for there colours and will hurt people because of it!!

JuniorMint Wed 01-Jan-14 21:27:18

I saw a guy once about five rows in front of me in the 'home' end at a premiership football match- he was maybe early 20s, and wasn't wearing any identifying colours for either team. However when the 'away' team scored, he stood up clapping with his arms above his head. Really stood out with all the other fans sitting rather motionless and looking glum around him.

A bloke sitting directly behind him didn't hesitate to stand up and stamp his foot very forcefully into this guy's back, sending him flying into the row in front. A bit of a kerfuffle ensued- stewards swooped in, kids were passed out of the way over the crowd and both guys were chucked out, not before the stamping bloke got a few cheers and pats on the back from surrounding fans.

Go incognito if you must, but it's just not worth it to wear colours or make noise.

FudgefaceMcZ Wed 01-Jan-14 21:31:43

Tell him not to be so daft ffs.

I know I am repeating what others have said, but why did you get tickets for the home end when you're away support? That's just daft!

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:35:28

Isn't it sad and ridiculous that he can't wear what he likes?

Take him to a rugby match, he can support whoever he wants and shout for either side (or both).

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:35:54

was just going to say she couldnt be talking about glasgow, jesus he wouldnt get out alive...not these days right enough grin

I agree Maryz, it is sad and ridiculous but unfortunately that's just how football is in today's world.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:38:06

its not sad and ridiculous maryz, its the nature of football, I hate the attitude on here about football like its all scum that watch it, any 15 yr old that thinks he should be able to wear the opposite teams colours to a game need to wise up, not start going to rubgy

Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:38:55

Ssd he certainly wouldn't wink

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:39:23

Thats what I thought Maryz. I have happily stood in the home stand of a rival rugby club during a derby match wearing club colours and had nothing but light hearted banter.

My closest friends support the other club so not standing with them during a game would be rubbish!

Superfudge Wed 01-Jan-14 21:39:53

*Isn't it sad and ridiculous that he can't wear what he likes?

Take him to a rugby match, he can support whoever he wants and shout for either side (or both).*

Yes it is rather. As a child I went to an away European game and we sat with the local fans, dressed from head to toe in home colours. No one cared, it was fine. One of my favourite games ever actually for that reason. It is a shame it isn't like that up and down the country but its just the way it is.

Oldraver Wed 01-Jan-14 21:40:29

DS is a fan of a team that plays in red but has never seen them at home, instead he has been with his season ticket holder GP (who supports our hometown team) and a few matches at various grounds were he was a student in the NE.... He said he got used to not showing his allegiance grin.

OH is a long time supporter and mostly away game visitor. He says he has never worn anything of his team to a match

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:40:54

SSD, it is sad that a small minority make it so that fans have to alter their behaviour in things as small as the scarf they wear.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:41:16

did he go to the game today weelady? dh and the ds's went, said it was rubbish, dh is actually wishing rangers were back in that league just to get a decent game

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:41:35

ssd, it's sad and ridiculous that "it's the nature of football".

I'm just glad my kids don't go to football matches if that's what it's like.

Picturesinthefirelight Wed 01-Jan-14 21:41:46

He will probably not be allowed in

It dies friend a bit in the team. My dad has corporate seats for Stoke City. In the hospitality area it's mixed & opposing fans are made to feel welcome

A customer has corporate seats for Man U & took my dad as a guest when Stoke played them. He was almost kicked out for just saying Yes! When they scored - there is zero tolerance at Man U even in the expensive hospitality areas

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:42:33

And it must be "all scum that watch it" if they all think it's acceptable to jeer or beat up a teenager wearing a different colour scarf shock

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:43:11

sirzy its not a small minority its most of the support

I couldnt tell dh and the ds's about this thread, they'd die laughing

Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:44:42

Do would mine!!

Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 21:44:58

So even

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:44:59

yes everyone there would think thats acceptable hmm

flowery Wed 01-Jan-14 21:46:02

Sitting with your team's fans and all celebrating, commiserating and getting excited together is an important part of the football experience IMO.

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:46:16

That's the whole point.

It should be acceptable.

It's a sport, not a war.

Is this a uk match? If so, 15 won't be considered 'cute'; it will be 'fair game'.

Slightly different matter in Europe. I sat (quietly, without colours) in the 'wrong' end of a champions league in Spain and was given sandwiches by the family next to me grin

He needs to get more streetwise sharpish. Even my 8 year old twins know that's a no no.

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:47:39

Exactly flowery. You should be able to do that. So should the opposition supporters. And wouldn't it be good if they could actually see each other do it, talk to each other, discover that actually they aren't so different after all.

And maybe just have a bit of fun.

It's pathetic.

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:49:26

It's pathetic.

Exactly.

Being at risk of verbal abuse, or worse, simply because of the team you support? No thank you!

Part of the fun of the game in the banter and fun with the opposition fans

flowery Wed 01-Jan-14 21:49:38

If it was convention to mix the fans up and it happened all the time and there were frequently hundreds of away fans mixed in with home fans, that would be one thing.

But the reality is the OPs son will be one red scarf in a sea of thousands of blue ones, and will look like he is seeking trouble. 15 year olds are not "cute", a lot of them are quite the opposite and it will be assumed he's a troublemaker. That's assuming he gets let in which he wouldn't be with any sign of a red scarf etc.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:50:07

its not pathetic, maybe you just dont have a dh or boys that are football mad, its a real passion for mine, they love the game and their team, its just the way it is, violence and bigotry dont come into it for them but they have to know about these things, esp living in glasgow

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:50:55

flowery, I'm certainly not suggesting that he wears the scarf.

I'm just saying that it's a crazy system that the sides have become so polarised that he can't.

I'm surprised at people defending such a system.

flowery Wed 01-Jan-14 21:51:19

confused but the opposition supporters do all sit together and have that experience. Unless they choose to buy seats amongst all the home fans, in which case they miss out on that.

my only comment is- why the fuck did you get tickets for the blue town stands instead of the rex city stands?
why the fuck do you think he'll enjoy watching his team from the opposition's seats? ?? shockhmm

so he can't support or cheer on his own team because he's in the wrong end?

I am actually gobsmacked

flowery Wed 01-Jan-14 21:53:25

Sorry we're cross posting like mad!

I agree that it's a shame in a way, and for me it's not a case of defending the "system". I do think sitting with your teams fans rather than in a mix adds something to the experience though, something about togetherness and (for us anyway) going through shared pain and (not very often) joy.

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:53:31

If you think that it's ok to verbally abuse or even beat up someone for wearing the wrong scarf, then violence and bigotry do come into it.

My kids do play sports. ds and his best friend go to Leinster/Munster rugby matches together, one in blue the other in red. They sit in a mixed stand and are just as passionate and care just as much about winning as any football supporter.

They just aren't involved in thuggish behaviour, and would be shocked at the suggestion that they had to sit separately.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:55:19

maryz, sorry but you dont know what your talking about, I'm not defending violence or kids being spat at or worse by adults for wearing the wrong colours, no one here is, but to say its crazy the sides are polarised is missing the point spectacularly

limitedperiodonly Wed 01-Jan-14 21:56:47

It's not acceptable and it's not just football.

I'm a red fan.

At a 1987 election party where we were asked to wear team colours I went as a losing supporter.

Big mistake.

I didn't get beaten up but I learned it's not only football supporters who are hooligans. I bet a fair few of them were rugby fans.

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:04

I don't think it is SSD, I think it is sad that people are so accepting of that being the case really. I would hate to follow a sport where fans were judged on who they supported and segregated based on that not only inside the ground but often outside the ground too.

Sorry no amount of people trying to justify that will make me understand how anyone can accept that

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:30

ssd, with respect, you are missing my point spectacularly.

The point I am making is that the op's son and any other supporter should be able to sit where they like, wear what they like and support who they like.

It's pathetic that any adult would justify and support a system which means that they can't.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:43

dont follow it then sirzy, no ones forcing you

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 21:57:54

Ran this past my footie loving husband, who has supported a premiership team for 40 years (we both go, when we can).

Your son's 15, and not sitting in family-friendly seats (or in the posh prawn sandwich directors bit, where no-one even speaks, far less barracks anyone): we both felt to be honest that it would be provocative and why would you want to put yourself through the consequences of that? No-one's going to ruffle his hair, and he's old enough to know better he's not a kid any more in this context. If you want to enjoy the game, rather than get into a slanging match, don't wear opposition colours. On the other hand, if he wants to do the slanging thing, fine, but I imagine the rest of you are going to have a rather poor time. It would be terribly nice if it were different, but that, IMO, is the deal.

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 21:58:27

I don't, but it also doesn't mean I can't air my views. Sorry if you don't like that but I can't believe an adult is even attempting to justify such a system

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 21:58:59

I won't follow it, for that very reason.

I can still disapprove of such uncivilised behaviour and attitudes.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 21:59:59

maryz, we'll have to agree to disagree on this

my kids play football with other kids wearing the opposite jerseys all the time, its never an issue

but they know if they go to a game they wear their own scarves with their own fans, if they want to sit with their friends and wear mixed colours they watch it on the telly

its just the way it is

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:00:55

am not justifying it sirzy, am saying what its like

UniS Wed 01-Jan-14 22:01:04

Is it OK
Age 5 - maybe, Age 15 NO

Will he be sworn at
Age 5 no, age 15 yes.

BackforGood Wed 01-Jan-14 22:01:10

I totally agree with Maryz that it is pathetic that grown adults can't manage to watch the match with a fan of the other team - just giving a bit of banter or 'stick'. I speak as a lifelong football fan, who was shocked at what I saw as the stewards ridiculous reactions at ejecting 2 lads who supported the away team in a family enclosure last season. I am beginning to realise from this thread that some people actually think it's acceptable that people can't go a long with family members or friends to watch a match together, despite supporting different teams. What a sad thing to be encouraging.

I'm not even thinking of thecabuse he'll get.
I don't think of that as bei g the issue.

the main issue here is what the fuck is the point if getting him tickets to a match he can't enjoy because he's not allowed to support his own team !
you might as well take him to an art gallery and put on a blindfold, or to the cinema and make him stay in the foyer, or ask him to write an essay but take away his pen.

nowhere do you say the rest of the family supports blue town, so I think your "present" is actually fucking insane and cruel.

ComposHat Wed 01-Jan-14 22:04:45

Was

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 22:07:27

I wouldn't say that, nickeldonkeyonadustyroad, and I hope OP ignores your post. We've been and sat in away areas before. It's not the same, but it's still a treat to go.

limitedperiodonly Wed 01-Jan-14 22:07:31

We look down on those national sides and national teams who make monkey noises at black players, because we aren't racists?

Or is it because if we were caught making those chants in CCTV-infested stadiums we'd be banned for life because English football pays lip service to Kick It Out but not other forms of hatred?

So how come rugby fans, cricket fans and many football fans in other countries manage to all sit in mixed seating without beating the crap out of each other?

Being "passionate" about your team does not make it acceptable to physically assault those that support another team, that attitude has nothing to do with sport and everything to do with sport being used as an excuse for mindless thuggery.

*mr

BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 22:14:36

Hello again Interesting convo.
A few answers:
Do I think ds will be seen as cute? Ha! No, I do not think ds is cute! Although gorgeous he is gawky, spotty and teenagery. He said he is cute with his own tongue firmly in cheek. (What he meant is that he is young. He is also small for his age and not always socially very aware.)

Why get tickets in the opposition team seats? Cost and availability. We have tried for more than 2 years to get tickets to see ds's team but without being members of the supporters club or buying the hospitality packages which are astronomically expensive, no tickets are free. Also ds is the only Red supporter in the family. He will be one of a party who support the local and no teams. If he was only allowed to go to his own team seats he would be unaccompanied - can't really square that circle without someone going to an opposition team. confused.

That would be about top of a list called "things likely to get your head kicked in"

mrssteptoe
I sincerely hope that she does take on board my post - she has been extremely unthoightful.
if I were bought tickets for notts county vs forest and been stuck in the forest end, I would be very upset indeed and most likely either refuse to go or ask for a ticket foe county's end.
it's not a wonderful experience to have to pretend to support the opposition nor to be effectively banned from supporting your own team

itms totally different if you support neither team, but it's just so wrong to buy someone tickets for the oppositikn.

it's like "ooh, I love watching opera" op "you said you love opera, so look, i've bought you tickets for a Metallica gig"
not sensible and a bad present.

Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:17:52

It's not acceptable but it happens!!

I don't know one person who would sit in the opposite end except my DH who sat in the hibs end cause he couldn't get a ticket for the celtic end years ago he left after 20 mins due to the abuse hibs fans were screaming at celtic, and he's a leither so many hibs fans knew him!!

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:18:09

thats a hard one then op, is there anyone who supports his team who would go with him?

ComposHat Wed 01-Jan-14 22:20:29

I suspect it is juvenile bravado on your son's part. It really does show that he has never been to a top flight match before if he wants to needlessly antagonise others.

I have discreetly watched from the home team's end but was more discreet. Sat on my hands when my team scored, stood up when the jome yeam got an equalised and didn't wear colours.

If he turns up in his team colours he will not be admitted, if he puts them on in the stand he will be thrown out by stewards for hos own safety.

Greythorne Wed 01-Jan-14 22:20:35

Loving this thread.
Have we gone through the looking glass?

One where it's perfectly defensible for adults to pick on teenagers, spit on people, give verbal abuse based on supporting another team.

I have no interest in soccer and from this thread I am relieved I will never have to attend a match. You supporters sound bonkers.

if someone in the party supports no team, it would make more sense for them to accompany your ds to that end.
or save up to go away to a home match (part of a family holiday to that part of the world?)

seriously, not going at all is preferable to being at the wrong end

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 22:21:04

I hope you have a great time, BettyBotter. Get your DS to be discreet, and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Of course it's not the same as being in your own end. But it's still a great afternoon out. Because I've drawn my own conclusions about the teams you're referring to, I'm going to say COME ON YOU BLUES! xx

Weelady77 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:21:15

Bettybotter he would be fine in the opposition end himself you could meet him afterwards, my son is 15 and has been going from edinburgh to Glasgow on a supporters bus himself for last 3 years!

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 22:24:46

nickeldonkey it's an unfortunate accident that my post is directly below yours again, and it's a x post, not a follow on from yours, IYSWIM!!
I'm thinking that it's a personal thing, whether you can enjoy a game from the opposition end: because we have sat in the away bit for our bitterest rivals, and though it's not the same, it's still better than watching on telly. I completely accept that you don't feel the same way about it!

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 22:25:46

But <frets> do you not see how wrong it is?

That blue supporters/red supporters/neutrals, all from the same family, can't all sit together and have a good time?

How did this all start, and why wasn't it nipped in the bud then?

BettyBotter Wed 01-Jan-14 22:25:46

Thanks MrsSteptoe .
I changed the colours wink

Perihelion Wed 01-Jan-14 22:25:54

DH supports Celtic and I've been a few times ( never Old Firm games). Once sat on my own, to let DH sit next to his pal, with me several rows away. The fans around me were lovely and I had a ball. Although had to insist that they stop fucking apologising for swearing in front of me grin There is an amazing atmosphere, being in a crowd, all cheering, singing and willing the same result.
Went to a cup final once, sitting in the wrong end because our friend who got the tickets supported Dumfermline. Was very odd and not much fun. When Celtic scored, a lad behind us, jumped up and cheered and was promptly battered and then removed by the police.
I think you shouldn't even let your son go, if he can't keep his mouth shut.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:26:59

this thread is almost funny, so if you support a team you are defending adults to pick on teenagers, spit on people, give verbal abuse based on supporting another team

really

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:28:06

maryz, I didnt say it wasnt wrong, I was saying its the way it is

SuckItAndSee Wed 01-Jan-14 22:29:14

it is all utterly wrong, but agreeing with that won't make it any safer for the OP's poor son.

as an aside, they still have a neutral area at Fulham. I've sat there as any away fan in colours, next to home fans, on three or four occasions, and never seen any trouble. I've always wondered why Fulham are the only team (to my knowledge) with the confidence to try this and to make it work?

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 22:29:36

You are supporting a system that makes it acceptable for adults to pick on teenagers, spit on people, give verbal abuse based on supporting another team and you appear to see nothing wrong with it.

That's what is bizarre.

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 22:30:09

x-posted ssd - you are defending it confused

SuperSaint Wed 01-Jan-14 22:33:06

My 7 year old ds and I have season tickets at a premier league club. We sit on the half way line so it is more civilised! But you would not get through the turnstile in our stand wearing away team colours. It's mainly season ticket holders near us but we have had away fans occasionally but they have to be quiet. If they cheer for the away team or make it obvious th hey support them they get thrown out.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:34:32

o for gods sake, fine, I think spitting on teenagers and kids is great and I see nothing wrong with it, its perfectly acceptable because they are wearing the wrong colours to someone else, everyone who goes to a game obviously thinks this is fine, we're all thugs that support bigotry violence and the like, because we recognise fans don't mix at a football game

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 22:35:16

See, that's mad too.

Getting thrown out for cheering for the wrong team.

It's bizarre that it has become acceptable.

Maryz Wed 01-Jan-14 22:35:47

x-posted again.

Well, exactly hmm. That's what you are saying.

Greythorne Wed 01-Jan-14 22:36:30

SSD
You are the one defending it.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:37:37

for the last time maryz, I'm not defending it, I'm saying thats the way it is.....the best of it is I dont bloody like football, I just have a family of males who do!

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 22:38:11

I'm sorry, SSD, I think you must be a plant because you haven't spelled any of your post wrong and everyone knows that people who follow football are mindless with no education and their knuckles are too smashed up from football hooliganism to type anyway. You're busted.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:38:40

ach fine, think what you want.

op, have you been to the game yet? or is it on saturday?

Sirzy Wed 01-Jan-14 22:39:02

People know that's the way it is but your posts do come across as defending it and accepting that. I don't see how anyone can happily accept a system whereby people are judged by the team they support

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 22:39:29

Ah, all clear now, SSD - xpost. You don't like football.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:43:03

mrssteptoe, you'd laugh if you could see me, dh and the kids watch football all the bloody time, on sky, btsport, whatever..and go to lots of games, I would be the last person talking about football online you could imagine, dh would laugh his socks off if he could read this! Unfortunately living in glasgow there is a whole unpleasant side of football anyone with half a brain protects their kids from, whilst accepting their kids and dh love a team and follow them everywhere

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Wed 01-Jan-14 22:43:08

You didn't say it wasn't wrong, ssd, true. You did very specifically say that it wasn't sad or ridiculous.

How many morally abhorrent things have been justified with a shrug and a "that's just the way it is" over the centuries?

Walber139 Wed 01-Jan-14 22:44:16

This must be a BIG NO!!! I'm a big football fan & I'm lucky to know a few local premiership players, so I often go to games....I can't emphasis this enough, DO NOT LET HIM!! He would be put in to a dangerous situation!! Please don't let him

grin mrssteptoe

fwiw, i think it's awful someonecwould be beaten and abused for being in the "wrong" end, but I don't think it would be enjoyable at all

MrsSteptoe Wed 01-Jan-14 22:49:17

SSD I think there's a different flavour to cities that are divided by two dominant teams, perhaps - don't know for sure, haven't lived in one. We're in London and DH was such a fan that I went native and followed him into the tribe for his team, which happens to be our local team, which in turn happens to be premiership. But we have about 11 teams in London, and six in the premiership - I think the dilution across all those teams probably stops a lot of the more aggressive clashing. I'm only theorising, though.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:49:40

anadventure, I'm not hereto justify history, christ! I;m just saying to the op, as a mum of boys who go to games with dh, dont let your son wear the opposite coolurs to all those sitting around him, sad or ridiculous it may be, but it wont go down well with the other fans around him.

why does saying how it is at an actual game equal justifying something? I dont get it here. I'm saying how fans of football are like, I'm not saying anythings right or wrong, I'm saying what its like.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:53:29

mrssteptoe, yes I can see that, unfortunately in glasgow its green or blue and very very heated, theres areas you wouldnt walk in with the wrong colours, even the local asda in one town isnt popular cos their sign is green (seriously!!) and its hard when your kids and dh love one of the teams and you want them to enjoy their game, but all the time being aware or the real dangers being naive (like the op's son) can be.

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 22:54:32

sorry of the real dangers

SuperSaint Wed 01-Jan-14 22:56:08

I've been to hundreds of football matches over the last 30 years. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have felt scared or intimidated. I don't hesitate to take my ds to matches home or away and he loves it. However there are 2 areas in a ground - home and away - and common sense suggests you do not go in the wrong end and show your allegiance. Football is very emotional and add alcohol into the mix and some people will act like idiots.
By the way, any spelling mistakes are the fault of the Kindle not my lack of education smile

ssd Wed 01-Jan-14 23:00:01

thats one good thing about here, no alcohol is allowed in or sold during games (some of the fans are crazy enough)

flowery Thu 02-Jan-14 06:36:32

"as an aside, they still have a neutral area at Fulham. I've sat there as any away fan in colours, next to home fans, on three or four occasions, and never seen any trouble. I've always wondered why Fulham are the only team (to my knowledge) with the confidence to try this and to make it work?"

Anecdotally, we know several people who buy Fulham season tickets despite supporting another premier league side. Fulham season tickets are apparently relatively cheap without a huge waiting list, and these people can get to see regular football including their own team when that team visits Fulham. Don't know if that's anything to do with it.

I'm intrigued at the conclusions that have been leaped to on this thread and interested to find out that I apparently am pathetic and think violence and abuse against teenagers is acceptable. All part of prejudice against football fans I suppose.

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 09:26:03

Supersaints post is spot on. Use your common sense at football same as you would anywhere else. For this season only, we have mates asking if we can get them seats with us. Not to support our team but to have a look at the away team. A very polite no is the only answer.

hels71 Thu 02-Jan-14 09:33:49

Why is it that football has such a problem? I have been to many rugby matches, including internationals, wearing the colours of my teams and been sitting amongst the opposition with no issues at all. I have cheered when my team scored etc and nothing more than some friendly banter from the opposing fans. Why are football fans so different?

MrsSteptoe Thu 02-Jan-14 09:34:05

Oh, I didn't read supersaint's post in that way - I read it that you behave discreetly if you're among the opposition. Not sure now!

MrsSteptoe Thu 02-Jan-14 09:38:37

hels71 I have been thinking about this. I think I'd probably start with the notion that football has the biggest number of followers by far, and wonder if that is connected to the behaviour. Then i'd probably consider the idea that rugby and cricket are less affected by tribalism because it has a clear home in football, so that's where people with a tribal mentality tend to go, where those that take their tribalism to the extent of physical aggressive behaviour become a noticeable minority among the enthusiastic but not violent majority. Finally, I think if you deleted football from the world, aggressively tribal fans would all go to rugby or cricket and it would be start to be the centre of behavioural problems. In other words, with sport as with all things: it's possibly part of the human condition, and the object of its focus is getting the blame.
Genuinely interested to know if that makes any sense in answer to your question.

DottyDot Thu 02-Jan-14 09:40:34

Sorry I haven't read all the comments and it's completely ridiculous but sadly, I wouldn't let him wear his scarf. It's really sad but I wouldn't take any chances and even a small 15 year old might be a bit vulnerable - if he was a tiny little one you might get away with it but not at 15.

Totally stupid that you can go to a cricket match and sit next to opposition team fans and have a good old chat (and probably the same with other sports as well - I only go to cricket matches!) but football is so bloody aggressive...

Marylou2 Thu 02-Jan-14 09:41:39

I naively bought my husband, an Arsenal fan tickets to see them at Wigan last season. We sat with the Wigan fans in a really familt oriented area and the atmosphere was friendly and polite. Didn't wear scarves or cheer. Sounds like we had a lucky experience for some of these posts.

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 09:44:14

'I hate the attitude on here about football like its all scum that watch it, any 15 yr old that thinks he should be able to wear the opposite teams colours to a game need to wise up,'

Whereas to me, anyone that uses violence towards someone over which team they support would be scum.

Sirzy Thu 02-Jan-14 09:46:56

I do wonder if the segregation of fans has created a sort of vicious circle whereby it has now become the norm that opposition fans can't mix at games and which sort of fuels the aggression when the idiots get together. I don't think its something which can ever change now without a lot of work by clubs and fans because the segregation has become such a norm but I do think it could actually make things worse.

I was amazed when I went to a premiership match that we weren't allowed into a pub before the game because the person I was with was wearing a kit for the away team and it was a 'home' pub. As a rugby fan, who has drank in that pub on many an occasion before rugby games as an away fan, I just couldn't get my head around this idea of not allowing people to drink together because they support different teams.

Chocolatecoin Thu 02-Jan-14 09:49:45

Slightly unrelated but - I live 300 miles from my home town. A few years ago my home town ice hockey team was playing the local team here. So we went to the match. 5,999 fans all cheering for the local team. One fan, literally one - me - for the visiting team. The usual visiting fans on the bus had obviously decided it was too far to travel.
At the start when the commentator asked for a big cheer for the visiting team I stood up and cheered....and 5,999 people all turned and stared in silence...
But unlike football, it was a completely family friendly atmosphere and I didn't feel even slightly intimidated.

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 09:50:36

'That's just the way it is'
Then it should change, as many unacceptable things have over the centuries.

MrsSteptoe Thu 02-Jan-14 09:51:15

Sirzy Do you think that if you deleted football from teh world, then rugby would just become the inheritor of that tribal mentality, Sirzy? I wonder if rugby and cricket, even though we love them in this house - in fact, cricket probably more than football - can feel a bit smug because they benefit from the fact that tribal mentalities have stuck themselves to football. Again, I emphasise that we love all three. But I do find the cultural behaviour that goes with sport one of the most fascinating aspects of it!
And yes, I agree that the tribalism has been encouraged to some extent per your first paragraph!

Sirzy Thu 02-Jan-14 09:59:06

I don't think they would now, perhaps its because the fans have seen what such behaviour (by a minority) has done to football I think generally any attempts to change rugby (and I assume other sports) to the same sort of mentality would quickly be shot down by clubs and fans. Ruby League certainly works very hard to keep encouraging things whereby the fans of other clubs mix, and yes of course there is the odd incident of trouble but they are pretty quickly stopped and more or less universally frowned upon by fans and clubs

MrsSteptoe Thu 02-Jan-14 10:04:39

Yes, that's an interesting point, Sirzy - there wouldn't be that sense of trying to turn around a massive cultural tanker!

AllFallDown Thu 02-Jan-14 10:06:40

I've been going to watch my team, which bounces between the top three divisions, for decades. The fact of segregation, it is true, has had the effect of magnifying antagonism. But if you're a home fan, there's nothing more annoying than away fans getting tickets in your end. First, because they've deprived home fans of tickets. Second, because you are there to be with people who support the same team as you. But do bear in mind that after the game we all walk to the same public transport along the same streets, often talking to opposition fans quite happily about the game: football fans do not all want to kill each other.

However, at my club, it's not been infrequent to have away fans in the home areas. They are generally borne with with a certain exasperated tolerance – never seen any get assaulted or spat on or anything, even if we're all annoyed they're there. In fact, when our lot have been giving theirs a tonking on the pitch, it can be quite fun having them around to tease.

But people who are complaining about the tribalism of football miss the point. The tribalism is a big part of what makes the experience of going to football so exciting. It's why football fans like going on away trips so much – it's where you get the most passionate support. I've been taking my 10 year old to games, home and away, for four years now. We've never felt in the slightest danger or in the least intimidated anywhere.

Sirzy Thu 02-Jan-14 10:07:03

I think thats the problem, it has all become some ingrained in the culture of football that it is now deemed normal.

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 10:12:59

I don't think this would become acceptable in any other sport, because we all (or at least most of us) now realise how wrong it is. In ye olden days, football supporting was encouraged to keep the masses involved in the "tribalism" of football and keep them away from rebelling against authority (so if they could scream and shout at a match, they might be less inclined to scream and shout at political marches for example).

But it has got out of hand. And the very fact that people on this thread who are, presumably, perfectly normal pleasant human beings can say things like "you don't understand", "that's just the way it is" etc ect proves that this diversion has been successful - get the ignorant masses to hate each other and they will be too busy to fight against real injustice.

Glasgow is a great example of this. As is the way the Celtic/Rangers hatred has become somehow acceptable (and spread horribly to this side of the Irish sea). It is "acceptable" for a Rangers supporter to express hatred, disgust, contempt for a Celtic supporter (and vice versa) in the way it would never now be acceptable for a random Protestant to express similar feelings for a random Catholic (and vice versa).

It wouldn't be acceptable in any other walk of life nowadays. It shouldn't be acceptable in sport.

But sadly it is.

Fleta Thu 02-Jan-14 10:16:04

Until you get rid of the mindless minority who use football as a vehicle to have a rumble the only possible course of action for any club is to try and keep fans separate. It IS sad for the ones who can have that bit of banter, who can watch and behave themselves, but it is better to be separated. As to whoever said "it is part of it" - I strongly disagree, force of circumstance has caused it to happen. As you get lower down the leagues, you get less and less segregation of fans.

I was caught up in an incidence of hooliganism 9 years ago. It was the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced - if anyone is interested I'll relay my experience to go some way to explaining why fans are separated. I ended up testifying in court over it to try and get some of the perpetrators sent down.

Whoever said hooliganism is coming back is absolutely correct. Yesterday "fans" of a Premier League club attacked away fans with knives and bricked their coaches.

Indith Thu 02-Jan-14 10:19:37

It is so sad that that is the accepted way of football.

I saw something on TV a while back going over the history of violence at matches, it said that back in the day football was what everyone went to, grandad, dad and son alike so there was respect there because nobody would dare to misbehave in front of all the old men. Then it changed (I think because of pensions etc to the old folk had more money to do other things so went to football less?) and behavious deteriorated because the older generation wasn't there to keep the manners and respect going.

I'm glad to be a rugby family where if the other team scores a great try you can turn round and say something like "great pass, they really deserved that one" before going back to cheering your own team.

Rugby fans in Britain, except for perhaps Wales, really do go out of their way to make themselves look like po-faced, up-themselves tossers.

Though a rugby fan from birth (and from a country where we play real rugby, not England-style hoof-it-and-hope bollocks), I have to be a football fan when in the Northern Hemisphere. Football is the only sport played and supported with any passion.

Give me ninety-plus tense minutes of keeping schtum in the opposition end at a football match over eighty minutes beside wanker rugby fans who would probably have an aneurism if you raised your voice at all.

Passionless toads.

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 10:27:09

You sound like such a lovely person, maltese.

Or not, perhaps.

MrsSteptoe Thu 02-Jan-14 10:28:49

maltesefalcon grin

senua Thu 02-Jan-14 10:32:23

I think (I hope) that such behaviour would not translate to rugby or cricket fans. As a sweeping generalisation, fans of a sport are/were usually players of that sport so they pick up the characteristics of the sport.
Cricket is not a physically aggressive game. Yes, there is bodyline type stuff but there isn't rough and tumble. Games are also long - you can't sustain a fever-pitch of hate for hours on end. It's too exhausting!
Rugby is a team game. Everyone knows that you can't win a game through a few prima donna; it needs all fifteen to operate in harmony. There is a place for everyone - the small one, the tall one, the fast one, the big one, the thinker. Differences are valued, not polarised.
As said above rugby fans can peacefully co-exist in the stands, despite having a drink in their hand. It's a shame the football fans can't too.

senua Thu 02-Jan-14 10:41:18

What a strange post, maltese. It is possible to be a passionate fan but still be a good sport, you know. That Shankley "more important than life or death" stuff is bollaux.

Fleta Thu 02-Jan-14 10:45:28

matlese - you've clearly never been to a rugby league match.......we do have two codes here, do keep up.

AllFallDown Thu 02-Jan-14 10:49:12

By the way, the worst behaviour I've ever seen from sports fans on their way home after a game was rugby fans, after a Varsity match at Twickenham. But because they were posh, it was "high jinks" - it was like 500 members of the Bullingdon Club in one place. Had it been football fans, the train would have been stopped and they would all have been removed. Class plays a big part in "official" views of sport.

Football is unique in that the crowd are viewed as the 12th man - their support is an aid to the team – which is why hostility to the opposition (expressed non violently) is such a big part of the game. When our team's hugely successful local rivals came to our ground two years ago, they lost – in part because they were so taken aback by the atmosphere in the ground. They were unprepared for it. Plenty of people here would clearly have though it was disgraceful, that we should have been applauding politely. Well, no – we were delighted we'd played our part in getting a hugely unexpected win over one of the biggest clubs in the world. You can't get that kind of feverish intensity if everyone is patting each other on the back. And all those who go to football, who support a club, recognise that, and cherish it.

Apologies. We usually call rugby union just "rugby" where I'm from, Fleta. I am not disparaging English rugby league (which we generally call "league") as I understand the fans of the latter as normal, working-class types who don't prefer self-congratulation and condescension to, I dunno, watching an exciting game. You're right, I've never had the good fortune to go to a league match in England.

Lots of football fans are cricket fans too, senua, so your implication that the latter are a better class of people doesn't hold water.

A lot of classist ignorance on this thread.

AllFallDown Thu 02-Jan-14 10:51:38

As for the thugs, I'd refer you all to the words of Ted Croker, then chairman of the FA, when asked by Margaret Thatcher what he was going to do about "his" hooligans.

"We don't want this made public, but these people are society's problems and we don't want your hooligans in our sport, prime minister."

AllFallDown, nice posts. That's how we feel about rugby (union) where I'm from.

Fleta Thu 02-Jan-14 10:55:50

Thanks maltsese smile

There's some absolutely fabulous rugby league matches, I've seen some belters over the years. And taken my small daughter to them as they're so family friendly.

Are you in Australia?

Wash your mouth out. I'm a New Zealander. smile

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Thu 02-Jan-14 10:58:07

I support my home team. There is one rival team that causes a load of shit when its time for us to play them. I don't mean that team and supporters, I mean both teams and supporters.

The train station is guarded by many police. Pubs only allow either home or away team and never both. In the stand it is totally separate.

Police are all over the city when they play. I even think they try to get away team off coaches and in stadium then straight back on coach.

I have been when white played reds and I was on the wrong side. It didn't stop me celebrating. I did get the most terrible looks though grin

My teen brother plays for an academy and even they have "enemies".

Posted too soon. Thanks, Fleta, you have given me a New Year's Resolution- to take my small daughter to an English rugby league game while she's still small.

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 11:06:11

Anyone who thinks rugby fans are passion-less is going to the wrong matches.

Fleta Thu 02-Jan-14 11:06:58

grin in my defence I was thinking of the competition rather than the countries as a whole IYSWIM.

I'd love to see some southern hemisphere league live.

Try and get to a local derby if you can - great passion and fabulous matches!

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Thu 02-Jan-14 11:07:53

Maryz My nanna took me to watch a rugby match. It was her local Irish team. My nanna turned into a monster! Rugby changes her. grin

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 11:11:40

SPs, one of my earliest memories was sitting on my dad's shoulders in Cardiff Arms Park and watching Wales vs the All Blacks.

We weren't Welsh, or from New Zealand, but the memories still send shivers down my spine.

I can get a bit over-invested in matches sometimes. But I manage to remain civil to the opposition supporters especially if we win

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Thu 02-Jan-14 11:16:05

My dad doesn't really watch Rugby. Only ever watches Ireland. When him, grandparents and great grandma are in a room watching it, its like been in the stadium grin

Great grandma is 92. She is the worst offender when watching the rugby. She can jump amd shout better than the rest grin

Fleta Thu 02-Jan-14 11:16:33

Maryz - the only time I have ever failed to be civil at a rugby match is when a helpful gentleman asked me if I understood offside being a "gal" (sic) and all. Prat.

I've been to rugby matches where supporters were not permitted to change ends at half-time - but the stewards were very clear it was only due to logistics and not any worry over behaviour at all.

Sirzy Thu 02-Jan-14 11:28:22

I'm a life long rugby league fan. Certainly lots of passion amongst the fans and I did laugh at the implication that football fans were unique in the sense of being an extra man - far from it any sports crowd has the ability to do that!

AllFallDown Thu 02-Jan-14 11:32:37

Sirzy – I've been to plenty of all the major sports in the UK. No crowd compares to an up for it football crowd.

Sirzy Thu 02-Jan-14 11:33:02

Rubbish!

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 11:36:37

That's bollocks.

It may be great for you, because it's the team you support playing the football. But any crowd at any sport can be just as supportive and just as passionate as any football crowd.

What they usually aren't is as aggressive or as threatening - which suits me. I don't think that active hatred is an admirable trait.

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 11:37:31

But up for what?
Isn't it possible for a crowd to be passionate and animated without translating it into wanting to physically attack the other side?
And why football, rather than other sports that attract crowds?
In the same way that some junior Saturday clubs are having to warn and ban parents of players for aggressive behaviour.

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 11:41:53

Slightly off topic. Yesterday two cardiff and one arsenal supporter jumped onto the track to help a little child who had fallen on to it. Well done those men.

ssd Thu 02-Jan-14 11:41:55

maryz, I can't let this comment go unchallenged.

"Glasgow is a great example of this. As is the way the Celtic/Rangers hatred has become somehow acceptable (and spread horribly to this side of the Irish sea). It is "acceptable" for a Rangers supporter to express hatred, disgust, contempt for a Celtic supporter (and vice versa) in the way it would never now be acceptable for a random Protestant to express similar feelings for a random Catholic (and vice versa)."

for a start, what do you mean it has spread horribly to this side of the Irish sea? shock...where do you think it originated???

and its isnt acceptable for an supporter to express hatred and disgust for another supporter, it certainly happens, in some circles more than others, but it isnt acceptable here anymore than anywhere else

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 11:43:49

My father's a catholic Scot, and some of the experiences he's had with sectarianism, violence and football beggar belief.

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 11:44:26

Alot of men wh

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 11:47:23

Lots of the people where i live have never been to football. Their distain is expressed while watching a game on a sofa or in a pub.

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 11:47:56

Whoops. Po

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 11:48:54

We

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 11:49:10

Hah

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 11:49:14

ssd, they are using it as an excuse, I know that. There are "Celtic supporters" in Dublin, wearing green and white hoops and hating all Protestants (and all Brits, and most Scots). It isn't really a case of supporting football, it's an excuse for bigotry.

Bigotry is sadly acceptable among some supporters of some clubs. It's more noticeable in Glasgow because of the Protestant/Catholic division between supporters. It's a bit nuts really, but people just seem to sigh and say "that's they way it is".

I'm just pointing out that it is very wrong, and we shouldn't just sigh and put up with it.

redshifter Thu 02-Jan-14 11:49:53

I have to agree with maltese and all fall down

Maryz Thu 02-Jan-14 11:50:23

Poor aderynlas <offers cake>

Having a bit of trouble with your keyboard?

ssd Thu 02-Jan-14 11:59:45

well some of us dont put up with it (even though many here seem to think I do hmm), we know its wrong and we dont just sigh and do nothing.....my kids support a team, love them, wear a scarf to the games, play with other pals wearing the opposite colours, read books on sectarianism, get taught whats right and wrong at home, go to a school where religion isnt important, love football and enjoy their team, whilst knowing there are idiots out there that love the bigotry more than the game....as flowery said earlier, because someone might love the game and support a club, doesnt mean they shrug and accept the downside of it, we're actually a lot smarter than that, believe it or not....even if we dont like rugby shockgrin

ComposHat Thu 02-Jan-14 12:08:44

On tbe original issue, your son needs to told that he goes dressed in neutral colours or not at all and if he starts supporting his team in the away end, you will either take him out yourself or ask the stewards to remove him. His being a dick could jeopardise the safety of all of the party.

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 12:10:23

'because someone might love the game and support a club, doesnt mean they shrug and accept the downside of it'

But you're the one who repeatedly posted 'That's the way it is' with no further comment.
Which indicates acceptance of aggression in football as the status quo to me.

Sirzy Thu 02-Jan-14 12:12:52

She also posted that it wasn't sad or pathetic that it was that way earlier in the thread

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 12:12:54

'His being a dick could jeopardise the safety of all of the party'

Him being surrounded by a pack of dicks, who will take exception to him supporting a different team, will jeopardise the safety of all the party.

LoreleisSecret Thu 02-Jan-14 12:16:44

I travelled 300 miles in my teams colours having bought tickets in the home end. I was 13 at the time with my dad, the stewards took one look at us and smuggled us into the away end!

ComposHat Thu 02-Jan-14 12:17:12

Agreed,it shouldn't be like this, but it is.

Knowing the reality of the situation her son is being foolhardy at best and deliberately provocative at worst for needlessly goading home supporters with a provocative gesture.

Wevet Thu 02-Jan-14 12:36:26

My partner works for a football club and says the terms and conditions on the ticket technically preclude away fans acquiring tickets that seat them in 'home' parts of the stadium. Stewards would remove any obviously 'displaced' fans from the grounds. I think recently they made a small 'emergency' section in which such away fans could be accommodated if the game wasn't sold out.

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 12:53:25

Maryz thankyou so much for the cake. It was my phone going crazy in the rain xxxxxx

Lilka Thu 02-Jan-14 13:22:15

I love my home team, but I'd happily sit with opposing fans as long as everyone was good natured and there was a relatively even balance of the two teams - being a lone supporter of x in a neutral stand would not be very fun IMHO, I like the atmosphere when you're cheering along with everyone next to you. Cheering alone is not the same! Friendly banter with the opposition fans is also lots of fun

However, that's not how it works here, and you'd get ejected from my teams ground if you were seen wearing the other teams colours. And the OP's son shouldn't wear his teams colour or cheer for his team for his own safety - it's shit that someone could be physically in danger because of it, but he could be at risk.

SilverApples Thu 02-Jan-14 13:28:11

So, OP you are right.
Don't let him wear anything that might indicate his preference for the other team.
Make sure that he controls his emotions and expressions and actions so that they don't realise he's an outsider and get aggressive.
If he survives, buy tickets in the right section next time. Or watch it on TV.

aderynlas Thu 02-Jan-14 13:46:49

A mate of mine in the police force says there is more trouble in towns on weekends than at football matches. We wont stop going into town, as in all things just use some common sense.

BackforGood Thu 02-Jan-14 15:22:56

It's weird, in that, for all the football hooliganism and violence in the 70s and early 80s, you could still go to a ground with a friend / relative who supported the opposition, sit next to each other, and enjoy the match. Admitedly it probably wasn't such a good plan on the terraces, but in the seats, I did it many a time.
That's why I was was so shocked last year, when, for all the claims of having 'cleaned up the game' that someone was ejected from a section of the ground they'd put a block party from a schools day they'd arranged, just for the fact he didn't support the home team. I'd assumed at the time it was the stewards of the club being over zealous and somehow let their power go to their heads, but what a sad state things have come to as it now seems to be "normal" in most grounds.
For me, a big part of following a team is the stick and banter given out to your friends / colleagues / relatives when fortunes change each weekend.

FyreFly Thu 02-Jan-14 16:19:36

And this is why I hate football. Horrible game, horrible atmosphere, horrible supporters. I went to a game in my uni city with friends (only about 5 years ago), and even in the home stands supporting the home team, I have never felt more intimidated. The aggression and language towards the opposition and their supporters was truly shocking. In a game, it's just not called for.

However, I've been to tens (hundreds??) of rugby matches, even finals at Twickenham, and all the supporters are mixed in together and there is a friendly, sporting (albeit competitive) attitude. I had colours and flags for the last one, and I was sat in a largely opposition area - no problems.

flowery Thu 02-Jan-14 16:24:40

"And this is why I hate football. Horrible game, horrible atmosphere, horrible supporters. I went to a game in my uni city with friends (only about 5 years ago), and even in the home stands supporting the home team, I have never felt more intimidated. The aggression and language towards the opposition and their supporters was truly shocking. In a game, it's just not called for."

Ridiculous to make such sweeping statements about millions of football fans based on your experience in one seat at one match.

If it was remotely like that where we sit I wouldn't take DS. Nice to know I'm "horrible" as well as "pathetic" though. Need an [eyeroll] emoticon.

BackforGood Thu 02-Jan-14 16:35:38

Agree with Flowery about that being a bit of a leap FyreFly. I go with dd to football matches every week and have not yet met anyone unpleasant there.

ComposHat Thu 02-Jan-14 16:41:06

Yes morality lessons from a Rugby Union fan! Where the eye gouging, ear biting and senseless violence happens on the pitch.

flowery Thu 02-Jan-14 18:06:23

We use to have amazing seats on the halfway line just above the tunnel. Everyone who was within earshot of us was perfectly well behaved, with the exception of two people who were very sweary and also moaned ^ constantly^ throughout the game.

We moved seats and now it's incredibly rare to hear anything remotely like a swear word, despite what I would consider extreme provocation from the team so I'm happy to take 6yo DS with me.

I'm confident that anyone behaving abusively towards another member of the crowd would be ejected pronto by the stewards. But that doesn't mean it's sensible to sit in the home stands in away colours, because it only takes one idiot who doesn't engage brain for it to end badly.

Plus also it's just bad manners. It's not etiquette in football to do that. If you sit quietly and don't openly cheer/wear opposing colours, no one will mind and it won't be a problem, even if they do guess.

ssd Thu 02-Jan-14 20:10:13

as I said earlier, this thread is funny, people telling you what you are like and what you think, just because you (or a member of your family) supports football

grin

weebarra Thu 02-Jan-14 20:15:05

I've had a season ticket for my club (currently Scottish top league) since I was ten. I would never wear opposition colours in the home half. It's just not polite and you'd get turfed out by the stewards.
Not sure I like people assuming what I'm like just because I'm an avid footie fan though.

ssd Thu 02-Jan-14 20:25:06

oh there are a few experts on this thread weebarra, probably have never been to a game or met anyone who has but they can still tell you what you're like.....bit of snobbery perhaps, as in rugby is super but football is full of hooligans? its all here!

Weelady77 Thu 02-Jan-14 20:27:27

My sons friend has just put on twitter he's been bottled going to the edinburgh derby!! Thankfully he's okhmm

Weelady77 Thu 02-Jan-14 20:30:08

Ssd there is a huge difference between English and Scottish games you see it on tv week in week out! Could you imagine drink being sold in our grounds it would be world war 3!

ssd Thu 02-Jan-14 20:31:53

I know! we went to a big game down south on boxing day, we were amazed at the alcohol sold, but the stadium facilities were great, the food was really nice...mind you its the only game I've ever been too grin

Weelady77 Thu 02-Jan-14 20:34:04

Bet the food wasn't as nice as a Killie pie haha grin

weebarra Thu 02-Jan-14 20:37:56

I do like a killie pie! Ours are quite good too. Sorry to hear about your friend's DS, DH is there tonight, while I'm watching it while doing the ironing.

Weelady77 Thu 02-Jan-14 20:49:34

My son always goes on about them he loves them! Yeah he said he's fine thank god!

Lilka Thu 02-Jan-14 20:53:56

Ah, back to sweeping generalisations. I'm officially a horrible person

Even though I'd be totally happy and comfortable with everyone being mixed in together hmm

Lilka Thu 02-Jan-14 20:55:20

<goes off to Google Killie Pie>

ssd Thu 02-Jan-14 21:05:46

I hate pies but the ds's love them grin

ThreeWisePerpendicularVinces Thu 02-Jan-14 21:32:55

I suspect that you may be going to watch DH's team. As you're not a season ticket holder, you'll be in the rougher stands.

I categorically would not wear the scarf - your DS risks not being let into the ground as the stewards will want to avoid trouble.

He needs to sit quietly, not speak much and clap politely if the other team score - this is DH's advice. DH is the most anti football violence person you'll ever meet, but he has been chased several times and had to remove himself from sticky situations.

LittleTulip Thu 02-Jan-14 21:46:42

"And this is why I hate football. Horrible game, horrible atmosphere, horrible supporters. I went to a game in my uni city with friends (only about 5 years ago), and even in the home stands supporting the home team, I have never felt more intimidated. The aggression and language towards the opposition and their supporters was truly shocking. In a game, it's just not called for."

Agree with flowery what a ridiculous statement! I go most weeks with DH and sometimes nephews to see my local team in the championship, ex-premiership and it is nowhere near like you describe. We go with hot drinks in flasks and butties and have a right old chin wag with the rest of the fans. I've also been to quite a few away games across the country and the banter with opposing fans is what makes it worth the travel.

Echocave Thu 02-Jan-14 21:48:07

Until a few years ago, we had season tickets to our local blue team. Even after the premiership had started, ticket prices had rocketed and the image of the game was being improved, I used to shudder at the language being used around kids in the stadium (admittedly not in the family section but even so). I still love watching football but many of the fans are as rough as hell and get even worse after a few pints. I'm glad your son is being given advice not to take any chances.
When I went to my first rugby match i was very surprised at the different level of behaviour. I'm sure there were some rough types in there but the level of tolerance of other supporters was much better. It almost seems to be a badge of honour in football for some fans to behave like tribal morons.

When I used to go to our local rugby derby match there is a double line of stewards down the middle of the cop end and one team supporters one side and the other team supporters on the other side. Occasionally someone would go "over the top" and dive over the stewards into the other team supporters with fists flying. Not serious fighting, they were always quickly contained and escorted out of the ground. The pub over the road from the ground always has a mix of home and away fans before and after the match mostly drinking happily together and chewing the fat. There's always the odd hothead who does something daft after a skinful but I've never known it get out of hand.
I think that the problem fans in football are not real fans, they just use the cover of the game as an excuse to be violent and spout hatred against anyone who is different, be that the colour of their skin, their accent, their sexuality or even the colour of their shirt.

Bloody hell shock I'd be gutted if we were at say a West Brom vs Villa match and we had to sit in the Villa stand, and my sister would be the same if she went to see Liverpool v Everton and had to sit with Everton fans. Cheering on your team is all part of it! He DEFINITELY can't wear the scarf, at fifteen he's surely old enough to know that you just don't do that?! Being with your own team's fans makes it so much better!

With regards to rugby league vs union, rugby league all the way grin got to see Wales vs USA in the rugby league world cup most recently and as well as being an exciting game, the atmosphere in the stands was ace. We were near a massive group of USA supporters but sat in a massive group of Wales supporters and the competition was fierce but friendly, lots of families there and no-one was rude or out of line. Love both rugby and football, but the atmosphere at matches couldn't be more different!

notthefirstagainstthewall Thu 02-Jan-14 22:46:05

Ridiculous to make such sweeping statements about millions of football fans based on your experience in one seat at one match.
If it was remotely like that where we sit I wouldn't take DS. Nice to know I'm "horrible" as well as "pathetic" though. Need an [eyeroll] emoticon.

Er ...9 pages on why the Op's son can't support his own team in the "opposition" stands. It's not her "one" experience it's how it is. Football is an embarrassment. Remind us again why alcohol is banned at footaball and not rugby,cricket etc) ..it's not because the FA support a healthy lifestyle is it?

LittleTulip Thu 02-Jan-14 22:50:35

Alcohol is not banned at football, but only in view of the pitch.

notthefirstagainstthewall Thu 02-Jan-14 23:11:17

Alcohol is not banned at football, but only in view of the pitch.

Haha so they'll rip you off on stadium beer prices but don't trust you to take it to your seat!!! Brilliant.

Borntorun25 Thu 02-Jan-14 23:16:56

Sorry, haven't read all pages but please don't let him wear scarf, he will probably have it taken off at entrance and it will certainly cause unpleasantness and possibly violence if seen.

Also, please ask him to consider how he will feel if Blues score and all around him fans are celebrating. We did this, DH and DS1 support different local teams and could only get tickets at DH team end. DS was only 9 and didn't take footie seriously at all so we thought it would be ok just to watch the match, particularly as DH team were rubbish at the time and fully expected to lose. Well, DH team won 3-1 and poor DS was really upset when stands around him erupted with cheering fans, he cried after 2nd and we had to leave early. Not cheering for your own team's goals is manageable because you can have a secret smile, but coping with the other is really awful and I honestly wonder if your son should seriously consider if he really wants to go. Sorry to be so negative, but that's my experience.

Weelady77 Thu 02-Jan-14 23:29:28

Alcohol is banned in scotland unless in the corporate area!

notthefirstagainstthewall Thu 02-Jan-14 23:29:50

Borntorun25 See that is why rugby is better. My Ds was gutted the team he was there to support lost an away game (after 2 hours in the freezing cold). The bloke supporting the opposition sitting next to him gave him a "well played" and hair ruffle with a "next time son".
And we were allowed beer and we could discuss players with anyone sitting next to us supporter or opposition.
You can enjoy your teams wins as everyone congratulates you and if you lose you graciously admit defeat and are happy you have had anafternoon out.

Borntorun25 Thu 02-Jan-14 23:50:28

Hi notthefirst, have to say I agree, I personally prefer rugby and assumed all sports matches were friendly like this. I had never been to a footie match till met DH, first time I went I was utterly shocked and horrified by the swearing and verbal abuse the fans gave to the referee and their own team for poor play, let alone the opposition. DH and DS are avid footie fans though ( each to their own!) and do go to quite a few local matches, Scottish premiership level. They go to the family stand which is much better, although still hear all the bad stuff from elsewhere, but they enjoy the football itself. I would never again take DS to sit at an away end ( although DH has to suck this up when the derby is on, but he is adult and can cope grin.

aderynlas Fri 03-Jan-14 00:19:58

Many years and miles spent following a team that used to have a bad reputation for trouble. Have recently won family club of the year twice.

flowery Fri 03-Jan-14 05:11:49

*"Ridiculous to make such sweeping statements about millions of football fans based on your experience in one seat at one match.
If it was remotely like that where we sit I wouldn't take DS. Nice to know I'm "horrible" as well as "pathetic" though. Need an [eyeroll] emoticon.

Er ...9 pages on why the Op's son can't support his own team in the "opposition" stands. It's not her "one" experience it's how it is. Football is an embarrassment. Remind us again why alcohol is banned at footaball and not rugby,cricket etc) ..it's not because the FA support a healthy lifestyle is it?"*

You are of course entitled to your opinion notthefirstagainstthewall but please don't misquote me to support your point, it's extremely bad manners. If you look at the post of mine you quoted it is very clearly in response to a particular statement by a particular poster. If you agree with the poster I was quoting that all football fans are horrible and that the one experience she mentions as the basis for her view is replicated throughout the game, please say so.

As I said, if it was how that poster described in reality, I wouldn't take my 6yo DS, so please don't suggest I would.

BitOutOfPractice Fri 03-Jan-14 05:22:21

Flowery please get your facts right. Alcohol is not banned at football grounds. And the constant comparisons to rugby and cricket are so ridiculous it's untrue.

Not all football fans are mindless thugs obviously.

Op football matches are very different now from when you last went. Much more sedate.

However, I still wouldn't let your ds wear his scarf. A. Because it's unlikely the stewards would let him in with it and b. even if there isn't any actual violence, it would certainly be a VERY uncomfortable 90 minutes for you all.

Hope you all enjoy the game. Can't beat a live match!

BitOutOfPractice Fri 03-Jan-14 05:46:25

And those of you who say "oh on the continent everyone sits together and sings folk songs while holding hands" has clearly never been to a match in holland or Italy. (And many bother countries. Those are just the ones I have personal experience of). The atmosphere is certainly as intense, if not more so, than at a British match.

And the last time I was verbally abused, while watching a football match in a pub, was by a bunch of very drunk, very pathetic rugby fans in to watch the international match after my footie match had finished.

MadIsTheNewNormal Fri 03-Jan-14 05:50:37

He absolutely WILL get into SERIOUS trouble for doing this, and in fact I believe it is not allowed, and for security and safety reasons you are not allowed to cheer for, or wear the colours of the RED team if you are seated in the BLUE area. He will probably be removed by security and kicked out of the ground.

It will be very tough for him but he must be careful not to show any reaction when his team scores. Honestly, I cannot stress this enough.

flowery Fri 03-Jan-14 06:05:48

"Flowery please get your facts right. Alcohol is not banned at football grounds. And the constant comparisons to rugby and cricket are so ridiculous it's untrue."

I beg your pardon?! I never said alcohol was banned anywhere and I'm not in the habit of stating things as fact that I don't know to be the case. I can only assume you also haven't read my posts on this thread.

BitOutOfPractice Fri 03-Jan-14 06:09:47

Flowery in your post of 5:11 you said "remind us again of why alcohol is banned at football".

It's not.

flowery Fri 03-Jan-14 06:14:51

Try reading the whole post, and the rest of my posts again. As you seem to think I am lying when I state that I never said alcohol was banned. That would be a pretty stupid thing to do, given its easy for anyone to check what I said if they are so inclined.

BitOutOfPractice Fri 03-Jan-14 06:17:37

Flowery I've just quoted you directly saying alcohol is banned at football. You followed it with a sarky comment about the fa not banning it for health reasons.

I have read the whole thread. I fail to see how a second reading will change the fact that you said "remind is why alcohol is banned at football". When it's not.

You're very snippy aren't you?

SaveMeTheLastGreenTriangle Fri 03-Jan-14 06:40:26

You can't get a drink at Ibrox...is it banned at some grounds and not others?

flowery Fri 03-Jan-14 06:53:03

<<gives up>>

I've clearly stated that I didn't say alcohol was banned. You obviously thought I was lying, so I asked you again to read my whole post, (which included quote marks and also the name of the poster I was responding to), and also recommended you read the rest of my posts on this thread, which if you had bothered to so, would have immediately indicated how wrong you are.

So yes, forgive me for being snippy. I don't like being accused of lying by lazy people.

flowery Fri 03-Jan-14 06:54:20

Oh, and don't lie about reading the whole thread. You'd have found the comment about alcohol being banned and the sarky comment about the FA in an earlier post than mine if you'd bothered to do that.

BitOutOfPractice Fri 03-Jan-14 06:54:27

Saveme I'm sorry I don't know about Scotland. But you can buy alcohol at English grounds if you can get to the front of the queue

I was at Colchester a couple of months back and they had some very nice real ale tents dotted around outside the ground where (as an away fan) I enjoyed sharing a drink and laughs with many home fans hooligan that I am

youbethemummylion Fri 03-Jan-14 06:54:47

DO NOT LET HIM DS1 was 3 when we visited Newcastle on derby day without realising he was wearing his Sunderland shirt people shouted abuse he was 3 and at the shops not at the match. Hate to think of what will happen to a 15yr old at the match!

Weelady77 Fri 03-Jan-14 07:47:11

Saveme banned Scottish grounds but can get it in English grounds

DO NOT LET HIM DS1 was 3 when we visited Newcastle on derby day without realising he was wearing his Sunderland shirt people shouted abuse he was 3

That is one of the most criminally stupid things I've read on here.

Why is he wearing a football shirt if he/ you aren't fans?
If you were fans, why didn't you know it was Derby day?

Smells like BS to me.

No idea why I capitalised "derby" there. Over-excited most likely.

Mehrida Fri 03-Jan-14 07:54:09

My DF is a policeman at one of the busiest stations in the country, which frequently sees football and rugby fans passing thru.

He maintains that he'd rather deal with drunk football fans than drunk rugby ones as at least the footy fans are predictable. Disagreement, fight, end. Rugby fans generally think they're a cut above and as well as the above sequence they're sneering and underhand.

<Wanders off to drink bovril and put brown sauce on Killie pie>

Weelady77 Fri 03-Jan-14 08:33:27

The little 3 year old was at the shops not a match

flowery Fri 03-Jan-14 09:21:54

I'm intrigued by killie pie. Cornish pasties are the only edible thing at our ground. I went to an away match at Carrow Road recently and was looking forward to a Delia pie. DH had assured me that they had special Delia recipe pies so the standard would be high, however no sign of Delia pies.

Perhaps a Norwich fan could enlighten me? Do you get Delia pies in the home stands?

notthefirstagainstthewall Fri 03-Jan-14 09:56:33

BitOutOfPractice that was me actually with the quote about banning alcohol not flowery.
Which someone else has clarified means it is not allowed "in view of the pitch"
Which still means it's banned if you're sat watching a game surely?

DrNick Fri 03-Jan-14 10:00:03

Shit football is crass, isnt it

Obv you wouldnt get this at rugby

youbethemummylion Fri 03-Jan-14 15:00:51

Themaltesefalcon, we are not football fans so we did not realise it was derby day, he has a football shirt because his grandad bought it for him we just treat it as another t shirt it has no meaning for us other than that. Was visiting a friend who then wanted to go into town we tagged along. I think the grown men shouting abuse at a 3yr old were more stupid than me, but perhaps you disagree?!

crapholes Fri 03-Jan-14 15:19:14

Y

sandalsinthebin Fri 03-Jan-14 16:07:44

Man City and Man U? He'd be a mad lad to do it

Amateurish Fri 03-Jan-14 16:30:57

I've been to a derby game where some stupid City fans sat in the home stands at Old Trafford. When City scored, they cheered. They were quickly ejected by the marshals, which was probably for their own safety really.

Wearing of away colours in the home stands is simply not permitted, and you will be refused entry.

As an aside, alcohol is banned inside grounds at European matches. Annoying.

Ohh is it City vs United? I thought it was Arsenal v Spurs or Liverpool v Everton.

Backing up what BitOutOfPractice said about the continent; we went to a Real Madrid home game (think it was Real Madrid vs Villareal) and bloody hell I would not have liked to have been supporting Villareal, especially as they were seated right near the Ultras (the superfans who would not stop short of extreme violence against someone supporting the other team if they stepped "out of line"). Great atmosphere... if you're supporting the home side and sat in the right stands grin

Picturesinthefirelight Fri 03-Jan-14 18:13:31

Not in view of the pitch means alcohol can be sold but not consumed in view of the pitch

In the hospitality areas it is possible to watch the match behind glass doors (is rubbish though) you can't take your drinks outside.

she said she changed the colours.
and it's not alocal derby because they live in blue town and red city are playing away

flowery was quoting someone else. in fact, she was quoting someone else's post which was on the same page so not even hard to find!

BettyBotter Fri 03-Jan-14 22:27:40

Not a derby. Not red vs blue. Not in Scotland. Not this weekend.

Ds has agreed he will sit on his hands and not cheer at the wrong moments.

I will come back and update after the match in a week or two if we survive as I hope to let you all know what a wonderful time we've had wink

Glad he's seen sense wink hope you all enjoy the match.

Mehrida Sat 04-Jan-14 13:23:01

Hope you all enjoy the game. Despite what's been sai, it really is a good day out. However, be prepared to spend a fortune on programmes, pizza, merchandise etc!

BettyBotter Sun 19-Jan-14 16:48:44

UPDATE:
It was great smile ! Thanks for all your advice. and Ner nerna ner ner to the cruel and unusual present crowd

Honestly it was great. As we were sitting in an area where the tickets had gone on general sale we weren't surrounded by the most fanatical parts of the home crowd. Around us were a family with very young bored dcs, a big crowd of Libyan students who just seemed to be happy to be there and a group of students who knew a lot more about ds's team than the home team more secret away team support so there was no feeling of being out of place or intimidated.

We had to dig ds in the ribs a couple of times when he yelped when his team scored but he managed to keep his excitement under wraps and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have been actually eaten even if he had cheered glad he didn't though

So, ds saw his heroes win a match. He can now say he's watched them play and heard some fantastic swearing football songs. grin

(And the loos were clean and plentiful!)

Weelady77 Sun 19-Jan-14 18:12:16

Glad you all had a great timesmile

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