To think I must be a chav, as MN has deemed me so?

(287 Posts)
Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 21:47:57

According to threads I've been reading lately, most things I do seem to be marking me (and my family) out as chavs.

I fed my children formula and jarred food - this is chavvy
My Mum likes cards that say Nanny and she sends relative-specific cards - chavvy
My children like to wear character clothing - chavvy
I shop at Tesco and sometimes even Asda - chavvy

AIBU to be a bit tired of seeing the word 'chav' on here lately? I've challenged it and said that it's offensive, but just get the 'well, it's only online, why are you bothered', as if that makes it ok.

Yes, I realise I'm being over-sensitive, but me and my family aren't 'chavs' and I'm tired of it being bandied about (along with 'common') to describe things that people see as beneath them.

Relative cards are chavvy? confused

AnnabelleLee Mon 23-Dec-13 21:50:34

I think you're paranoid. I don't see it. Everyone shops at Tesco.

Well I shop at Iceland, and both DSs were FF.

I think everyone has their own version of what they think is chavvy. Do what you feel comfortable and stick what anyone else thinks. Honestly. Most times chavvy=what most people do if you are to believe posts on MN.

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout Mon 23-Dec-13 21:51:43

You forgot one thing-

Having a number at the end of your nickname is also' chavvy' ...well I think so anyway.. fgrin

shoofly Mon 23-Dec-13 21:51:58

The people who might think your choices make you chavvy are dickheads HTH

YoureBeingASillyBilly Mon 23-Dec-13 21:53:18

I havent seen what you are talking about but i really dont get this issue with being a certain 'type' of person according to strangers on the net.

YOU know who an what you are. Why does it matter what people who have never met you think of your christmas cards? confused

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout Mon 23-Dec-13 21:53:21

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 21:54:28

Englishgirl - yes, there's a thread running about them at the moment and the overwhelming consensus on there is that they're awful and someone has just popped in with chavvy.

Annabelle - thread about supermarket snobbery - Tesco and Asda are chavvy.

Sparkling - Iceland? You're in serious trouble!

Recent thread about character clothing - chavvy.

I'm not imagining things, honestly grin

TheLostPelvicFloorOfPoosh Mon 23-Dec-13 21:55:21

Oh no, I must be a chav too, I gave DS a Christmas card with 'son' on it fshock Mainly because I waited so very long to be able to do just that and buying them gives me the inner warm gooies.

katese11 Mon 23-Dec-13 21:56:04

I love Asda, am surrounded by Tescos so shop nowhere else most of the time...and I have a soft spot for Iceland. So, if you're chavvy so am I :D

MillyChristmas Mon 23-Dec-13 21:56:23

Sorry your feeling like that but only you can make yourself feel that your chavy, no one else. So if you don't think you are at all then your not surely. I dont think im chavy at all but I shop at Tesco, Waitrose, M & S, Morrisons whatever happens to take my fancy. I did breastfeed for 7 years (two children one after the other). My kids hated brand logos on their clothes and only chose non branded clothing. As for how my Mum might like to be named...I dont care, she will get whatever card we send.
fsmile

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 21:56:26

Just to make this clear, I know full well I'm not a chav. I hate the term and find it really offensive.

I think it's a really lazy generalisation, trotted out by people with no imagination, who can't formulate any kind of argument.

I just wish people would fuck off with it.

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 21:56:32

yup

GUILTY
although I wouldnt use the word chav - just naff

katese11 Mon 23-Dec-13 21:57:14

Oh, and my username ends with a number but it's part of my (soon-to-be-ex) postcode. Is that OK?!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:07

I do all the things on your list (I always shop at ASDA, they have the best choice here) and was bullied mercilessly at school for being "Up my own arse" and thinking I was better than everyone else. It's all relative.

What you need to do is not give a fuck. This is the attitude you need to rock. fsmile

Xfirefly Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:13

if this is the case I'm a chav ....confused

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:16

How can having a number in your name be chavvy???

Seriously, how the fuck does that make any sense whatsoever?

BettyBotter Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:27

Uisng the word chav is chavvy.

katherinelilyflower Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:28

DD has a variety of peppa pig attire.

Truthfully though I wouldn't worry, I think people believe the clothing to be chavvy, not me personally.

If they do I don't care.

I also shop at Asda and love it.

RobinSparkles Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:42

Ooh, me too, OP!

My name begins with a K too so I win a full house fwink.

I care not.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 21:58:53

And it's scallies where I live, the word chav is too middle class for us grin

MisForMumNotMaid Mon 23-Dec-13 22:00:07

My DD loves peppa pig clothes so I'm a chav to! i shop at asda, tesco, aldi lidl and the market!

The latest chavvy one as of today....I have a TV on the wall.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:00:20

Robin - my name begins with a K too - is that chavvy now?!?!

ThedementedPenguin Mon 23-Dec-13 22:00:39

Don't forget the thread today that said if your tv is on a wall it's chavvy.

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 22:00:48

the number in name or " mummy" in a name was always deemed naff since Mn started

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:01:05

I have seen many things described as chavvy on here and I do wonder if most of MN even know what the word means or if they are like kids that hear a word and just repeat to seem cool without understanding the meaning grin

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 23-Dec-13 22:01:39

lambs is it? My names is normally Rufus 44!!! Somebody already had Rufus, so a lack of imagination is chavvy is it grin

I don't care if I'm considered chavvy, I shop at sainsburys mostly but we are always going into asda and tescos and waitrose. So does that make me chavvy....or confused?????

Breast fed but ds1 had formula so does that make me or him chavvy?????

I like family cards, all my family do...they cost a bomb so that must mean I'm rich, is that chavvy??

Too many question marks, is that chavvy??????? (Probably)

Most people on here would say I'm middle class, some chavvy but actually I don't give a shit

And neither should you

Happy Christmas

katherinelilyflower Mon 23-Dec-13 22:01:45

Aldi and Lidl are considered OK on here I think, sort of slumming it!

I had a McDonald's last week. And I went in. And I took dd grin

ProfondoRosso Mon 23-Dec-13 22:02:00

Och, don't worry about what strangers on the Internet think fsmile

Don't play into their class-obsessed Hyacinth Bucket hands. Just feel relieved that you don't have to endure the constant pain of having a great big stick up your arse. As anyone who calls someone else common (Dickensian much?) most likely does. fgrin

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 22:02:45

BIN THE NUMBER

plus any mum related name

eg Crazymumof4

naff

LamaDrama Mon 23-Dec-13 22:02:54

Im one then - love Asda, loved buying my first card for DD this year,

wetaugust Mon 23-Dec-13 22:02:58

Read a novel recently and in it having a pot of red geraniums outside your front door was chavvy confused

That makes a good portion of Andalucia chavvy - or does it just apply in certain lattitudes?

Bowlersarm Mon 23-Dec-13 22:03:24

I don't use the word chavvy....but relatives names on Christmas cards is tacky.

Character clothing is naff as well, (so my DSes wore character pjs at home)

Ff is fine.

Numbers on your user name is fine, as far as I'm concerned.

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:04:13

I am vair posh not really and I shop at Tesco's and Lidl's.
I FF, mixfed and BF.
My kids have character clothing AND some slogans shock
I don't really do cards much at all.

So, YABU. You are clearly not a chav. Whatever that is.
Merry Christmas, peace and love, peace and love.

RobinSparkles Mon 23-Dec-13 22:04:22

Yep, K names are chavvy. Apart from Katherine/Kate it seems.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:04:28

Call yourself whatever you want.

Be princessfairytutu6378293mummy for all I care. Its a NN, I don't see why people care

katese11 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:04:33

Robin - my name begins with a K too - is that chavvy now?!?!

Clearly we need to form some kind of club...

My 6 year old niece must be a chav then as she's sent Ds a cousin card. I'm very happy that my family and friends are normal people who don't overthink every little thing they do for fear of being looked down on. Seriously op, if others want to sneer at something as insignificant as greetings cards they really do need to get a life.

I prefer Asda to Ocado too

ExitPursuedByAChristmasGrinch Mon 23-Dec-13 22:05:32

I have pampas grass. fwink fshock

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:05:32

Alaska - we weren't all here when MN started though, and as, when I joined, there was nothing flashing on screen saying 'oooh, don't have a number in your name or people will be laughing at you' and as I just wanted a quick screen name to get advice in Relationships, I didn't think too hard about the name.

I like to hope that I'd be judged on what I contribute, rather than the fact that there's a fucking 73 in my name.

Maybe I should take the number out and post some racist bollocks - would that be better?

I'm sure that when people started using the word chav it only ever referred toa specific type of person (eg. What they wore, what music they listened to), now it just seems to be used as a general insult.

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:06:15

you do get the odd thread but that is just snobbery most people shop at tescos and their kids wear character clothes many mums ff their babies, I think you are on the wrong threads or if something offends you bloody well pull them up on it,,

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 22:06:23

i dont think there is an "either or" option of number or racism, is there?

hmm

RobinSparkles Mon 23-Dec-13 22:06:25

I've even seen Asda referred to on here as Chavsda! Pfft!

It's just a supermarket, fgs!

ExitPursuedByAChristmasGrinch Mon 23-Dec-13 22:06:32

Names need a lot of thought. True

FalalalalalalaFiggy Mon 23-Dec-13 22:06:39

Fuck em OP right in the eye grin

I love character clothing for boys and even if I didn't DS practically refuses to get dressed if there's not a Thomas tank engine on it somewhere .

katherinelilyflower Mon 23-Dec-13 22:06:39

Fact is, half these things aren't chavvy. They are things some people like and others do not. I don't like Aldi or Lidl myself. I don't like Disney clothes or merchandise and I don't like boys in pink, which is why if this baby is a boy he'll have new stuff, not DDs cast-offs.

But, they are my personal dislikes, not the chavs guide to motherhood.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:07:32

I also like how people think it's ok to use 'tacky' rather than chavvy, because that means you're not actually sneering.

Except you are.

So thanks for your nice judgements there, Bowlers - much appreciated.

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:07:34

It's 'neds' were I live btw

MincedMuffPies Mon 23-Dec-13 22:08:10

Why do you get to decide if it's chavvy or naff Alaska? Maybe the OP likes her name ffs.

There are lots of mrs buckets around OP grin fuck em.

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:08:15

how can somebodies name be naff confused my name is probably naff i am obviously not witty enough to have a good name

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 22:08:43

i get to decide as I am allowed to have an opinion- mebbe

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:08:53

There's no accounting for taste said the monkey and bit in the soap

<cryptic>

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 22:08:55

jay - your name is ok

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:09:00

My name is actually naff but it has a K so explains it grin

ProfondoRosso Mon 23-Dec-13 22:09:02

I love going to the big Asda. It's a big treat for me! fgrin

And I'm getting Snoopy pyjamas from Primark for Christmas. Might think about changing my name to ProfondoRosso85.

AmberLeaf Mon 23-Dec-13 22:09:14

Yes there is lots of 'common bashing' on here.

It is pathetic, but some people need to have someone to look down on.

Just makes them look like sad insecure twats.

katherinelilyflower Mon 23-Dec-13 22:09:18

To be fair, there are some funny nicknames on here.

grin

not mine

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 23-Dec-13 22:09:28

Shit, my RL name begins with a K as well

Ignore the number thing!!! Don't rise to it for goodness sake

Pacific We used to say "townies" which actually make very little sense really, however it isn't as loaded as "chav" so maybe it should be brought back?

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:10:23

i dont think there is an "either or" option of number or racism, is there?

Yes, I was actually being sarcastic.

My point is, why should a number in my name have any bearing on what I actually post.

I've seen really offensive shit on here (racist/disablist, etc) and I've never noticed whether it comes from someone with a number in their name.

I don't think it means anything at all.

What a stupid thing to judge posters on!

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:10:49

Or 'hoodies'?? At least we were encouraged to 'hug a hoodie' fwink

DeepThought Mon 23-Dec-13 22:10:50

Oooh handbags

[hefts bosoms]

AlaskaNebraska Mon 23-Dec-13 22:11:03

meh

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:11:41

When I was younger Aldi, Lidl, Netto etc were really embarrassing to be seen in. Waitrose I stepped foot in once then realised the 99p store was the next door grin

mercibucket Mon 23-Dec-13 22:11:42

essentially it means working class but is a way of sneering. so most of your examples are things I would say were working class and nothing wrong with that

katherinelilyflower Mon 23-Dec-13 22:11:59

Where have you been judged on your name? hmm

Why not take it up on the thread?

I could be reading this wrong but honestly, calm down. Who gives a shit? Yes, I think there are some stupid usernames on here but who cares what I think?

AndIFeedEmGunpowder Mon 23-Dec-13 22:13:14

Exit you're not a chav you're a swinger! grin

I think most of these examples are just down to personal taste. At the risk of sounding like DM back in the day, isn't it nice we're all different?

Theoldhag Mon 23-Dec-13 22:13:17

Just remember the words of the desiderata

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:13:29

katherine - I haven't been judged on my name on any thread - apart from this one, which is why I am commenting on it now.

AmberLeaf Mon 23-Dec-13 22:13:36

loving the minimisation here.

LamaDrama Mon 23-Dec-13 22:14:03

Chav stands for

Council
House
And
Violent

Ive lived in a lot of council houses & yesterdays mad crush/rush in Asda made me feel stabby, so Im deffo a chav fshock

wigglesrock Mon 23-Dec-13 22:14:23

I use the word kids instead of children & have photos of said kids on a particular wall in my house - a photo wall if you will. My daughter had her ears pierced when she was 6 <I win> grin

Oh & I don't think my world will end if I don't have wall to wall books in my house. I like my white IKEA bookshelves to be dustfree wink

Pacific Ah yes, I remember that, though in my experience the hoodie wearing teens were more likely to be metallers/grunge kids, so could never equate hoodies to being scary.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 22:14:46

Are you in Cheshire MurderofGoths? My friends from Macclesfield all say townies.

Things come around, like SP says. If you wore New Balance trainers when I was a kid you had the piss taken out of you. Now they're stupidly expensive running shoes. Meh.

katherinelilyflower Mon 23-Dec-13 22:14:55

But that isn't judging - someone gave an opinion, which is a daft one, but whatever really.

If someone had said 'yeah, yabu to ltb because of your stupid username' what would be one thing, but they haven't!

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:14:57

My point is, why should a number in my name have any bearing on what I actually post

It shouldn't, of course. You are totally right.
But in the same way as appearances matter in RL (when they shouldn't), they matter on fora/ums (never know what to put to not look like a twat, so I put both and look like a double-twat).
It's not fair and not right and it's one of those occasions where I am glad that I suffer from name-blindness (made-up condition which mean I cannot remember anybody's name to save my life).

You sound articulate and get your point across - pull the feckers up on their behaviour and don't let it spoil your day.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:15:36

Well, I'm actually an ex-property owner who now privately rents and is into peace and love, maaaan.

So, not a chav, then?

I really don't know anymore confused

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:15:36

Chav is thrown around here all the time.

Apparently using any other name than Grandma/grandmother is chavvy.

^that was my favourite as it meant my 92 year old great grandma was a chav grin

I don't take any notice of half the bollocks people post here as I don't see or experience it in RL.

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 23-Dec-13 22:16:06

exit pampas grass does not make you chavvy (it makes you a pervert)

That was a joke, I am not judging grin

Fandango Nah, grew up in Berkshire

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:17:00

Isn't Pampas the sign of The Swingers? grin

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:18:17

katherine - as a fellow 'k' name, I really expect you to take my side, you know!

You're letting the chavvy side down.

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:18:31

You don't need others to define you, surely, heartbroken?
You don't sound like you do

'Chav' is a lazy shortcut for 'not as refined as me and I am the measure of all good taste', so it really just makes the user look stoopid imo.
Unless it's used in a post-modern, ironic, cool way... fgrin

MrsDeVere Mon 23-Dec-13 22:18:35

The amount of times 'chavvy' is used on that daft card thread is weird.

I can't be arsed to challenge it.

Lama As far as I know that definition of chav was made up after the word gained popularity, so isn't the origin of it

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:19:14

"Kliff' just looks a bit wrong IMO, not chavvy btw.

<throws car keys into exit's fruit bowl>

<bored>

grin

I would rather be called a chav than a snob.

This sums up chavvy for me. grin

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:20:57

I really don't need anyone else to define me, no.

I'm just pissed off at people being so snotty about things. I think the card thread was the final straw for me.

Hulk smash!

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:22:27

Sparkling - whenever I see Daniella Westbrook I automatically think of Brian Harvey running himself over with his own car.

I giggle every time grin

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:23:09

sometimes it is best to leave them to it , in Scotland we have chavs and neds so you can take your pick who you slag off grin

plannedshock Mon 23-Dec-13 22:23:17

Oh I think it's nice to receive relative cards, the fact that someone has gone to look for something specifically for you, but I have tattoos, but I also shop at waitrose, and bf my dd, I guess I'm a closet chav, or a chav with ambition! Rather a chav than a judgmental classless knobhead.

PeriodFeatures Mon 23-Dec-13 22:23:42

I really find the term Chav offensive and discriminatory.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:23:46

Ah fuck them all.

Don't let people get to you. Least you don't have to deal with them in RL.

I think most people will say "oh family cards etc are chavvy" online while they write their Aunty cards. Most of it is just to look "cool" grin

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 23-Dec-13 22:23:47

I think people who use the phrase chavvy are very chavvy

<arf> It was the giant spuds Heart With tuna and cheese. <falls off settee>

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:24:23

No, I didn't think you did fsmile

Yes, some threads are best left to it.
I back out slowly quite often, hoping not to disturb the wild animals posters...

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:24:27

I actually only remembered to buy my relative cards today blush if only i had read it was chavvy first would have saved me a few quid

AmberLeaf Mon 23-Dec-13 22:25:00

I think people who call people chavs are just wankers.

MoominsYonisAreScary Mon 23-Dec-13 22:25:27

I love character clothes, ds3 will get dressed in the morning with no fuss if he sees a George pig or a Thomas the tank. So I don't care.

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 23-Dec-13 22:25:34

OP - don't let the Mrs Buckets get you down. I was on the character clothing thread, 'tis amazing what people get uptight about.

There are also a clutch of posters who like to play (emphasis on play) Lady Bountiful on here, making as if they are slumming with us commoners.

However, I now have a burning question (I forget who mentioned this):
How on earth is a pot of red geraniums chavvy?

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:25:35

I haven't even sent any family cards. The 'Tude got his dad one but they don't have Cockhead cards grin

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:25:55

Sparkling, no, that picture is just... <struggles for words> misguided. Phew.

notquitenormal Mon 23-Dec-13 22:26:51

l once worked with a woman who told me she would be ashamed to have an Asda delivery van pull up outside her house.

First time in my life I actually laughed in someones face.

Best to assume people are just joking, and not worry about it. <fingers in ears - la la la>

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:26:53

Oddly enough I have seen the following in M&S, of all places, which is generally considered naice:

Relative cards
Character clothing

<waits for MN to explode as the naice posters fail to cope with shopping in such a chavvy store!>

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:27:10

I love you call him The Tude you should get that on a t shirt sp wink

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:28:21

I think people who call people chavs are just wankers.

That's it. That's the simple phrase I shall fall back on from now on.

Thanks Amber grin

Belize Mon 23-Dec-13 22:29:22

Chav definitely does not mean working class. Think this has been discussed on numerous occasions.

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 23-Dec-13 22:29:27

I didn't get my children family cards this year

I made them.....with glitter paper!!!!!

Oh yes I went there!!!!

And normally I'm so middle glass it hurts

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:30:29

notquite, we live at the end of a cup de sac and a Waitrose van (neighbour's delivery) and Tesco van (our delivery) collided when Waitrose Van Man was doing his 3-point-turn fgrin.
It was v funny.
Whole street came out to watch proceedings.
That's neighbourhood spirit for you - never mind Golden Jubilee street parties

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 22:30:53

Oh I'm an idiot. I couldn't work out why you were all picking on the poster mrsbucket as I couldn't see her anywhere! Please use Hyacinth from now on to prevent any idiots one getting themselves confused fgrin

AmberLeaf Mon 23-Dec-13 22:31:16

you're welcome heartbroken grin

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:31:37

Mrs It sums him up quite nicely. Chavvy little thing with his K name, nanna calling and character stuff grin

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:33:02

does he have a crew cut or gelled up hair he has to have the gelled up hair

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:33:33

Yeah I've noticed it loads today.

The most bizarre things. Name cards? Weirdos.

I posted on that thread because it was funny at first but it's gone a bit wrong.

How do you explain this then? shock The shop that can do no wrong on MN.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 22:34:11

Character clothing, depends on the character.

Adventure Time I may be prejudiced here is fine, Hello Kitty or Micky Mouse, you're on shaky ground.

Alternatively you could live your life the way you want to. Dress your kids in the clothes they like.

usualsuspect Mon 23-Dec-13 22:34:36

I cba to challenge the twats on here who say certain things are chavvy. I'm all out of giving a fuck about idiots on the internet.

PacificDingbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:35:07

JL has to earn a crust - sad down-turn of Standards.
There is no other explanation.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:35:36

Does it count if it's from John Lewis?

That's actually hilarious.

It's wonderful how people will throw out the chav word, yet fail to notice the naice shops getting in on the act.

MrsAMerrick Mon 23-Dec-13 22:35:37

I was driving through a large council estate this morning, and got held up for ages by an Ocado van blocking the road whilst doing a as delivery. Moaned about it when I got back to the office, whereupon idiot colleague said in tones of disbelief "what on earth was an Ocado van doing there?" Obviously thinks the lower orders need to stick to Asda and let Ocado only deliver to posh gits. hmm hmm

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:36:40

Thomas the tank is a chav.

That's how random it all is.

Red geraniums?
K names?

We should keep a list running of them somewhere it's really quite amusing.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:37:26

Mrs Neither. Its over grown! grin

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:37:32

I would love an ocado near me it is only in the south of England isn't it,

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:38:36

Adventure Time I may be prejudiced here is fine, Hello Kitty or Micky Mouse, you're on shaky ground.

But why? DS1 loves Adventure Time and Pokemon. DD went through a real Hello Kitty phase.

Who's going to go to Japan and tell them they're wrong?

<wonders what the Japanese for chav is>

TheLostPelvicFloorOfPoosh Mon 23-Dec-13 22:39:28

ENGINE!

Thomas the tank ENGINE!!!!

fangry

fgrin

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:39:35

Mrsjay they are all over. I get ocado to deliver and I am common.

I aways apologise to the driver for my commoness when he arrives

They price match tesco on loads of stuff and they are the best at delivering I have tried, and I not going to a real shop with toddler & baby.

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:40:15

I don't say engine it's really common. grin

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:40:42

what is wrong with hello kitty loads of young girls wear them and mickey mouse what hmm my dd wears her disney adult size t shirt often, (shrug)

usualsuspect Mon 23-Dec-13 22:41:06

This thread is common. <sniffs>

RobinSparkles Mon 23-Dec-13 22:41:16

MurderOfGoths, we used to say townies round here too. They used to wear track suit bottoms pulled up to the knee, tucked into brightly coloured socks, with rock port boots.

I don't know why we called them townies fconfused. Maybe because they hung around town. They even called themselves townies!

There were townies: as described above.
Trendies: sort of hipster kind, nice posh clothes.
Moshers: alternative, baggy cords, piercings etc.

I got punched in the face by a townie for hanging around with "moshers". True story.

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:41:22

Mrsjay they are all over. I get ocado to deliver and I am common.

I dont think ocado is in scotland though i am going to google

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:41:56

The thing is with threads like this is that it attracts all the darn chavs. sad

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:42:46

I loved my Rockports!

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:42:59

I just get the essential waitrose or ocado own brand stuff.

Don't want to get ideas above my station. grin

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:43:12

usual - I don't know whether to call you a wanker or not now confused

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:43:57

nah they dont deliver to me,

I wore rockports for years they were really comfy and hard wearing

usualsuspect Mon 23-Dec-13 22:44:01

<sprays thread with disinfectant>

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:44:04

Could all the Ocado people sod off the thread, please?

You're not common enough to be here!

ashamedoverthinker Mon 23-Dec-13 22:44:29

chavs united - count me in then.

i tick all them boxes.

crikey

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout Mon 23-Dec-13 22:44:36

Rufustherednosedreindeer
'Too many question marks, is that chavvy??????? (Probably)'

Yes it is, as is too many exclamation marks!!!!!!!!! fgrin

I shop at Morrisons, Chavs are known as 'Neds' to me as I am Scottish. They drink buckfast and wander round in tracksuits with their trouser bottoms tucked into their socks....

grumpyoldbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:44:39

Don't worry too much I shop at lidl and live in a council house. According to MN that makes me chavvy, lazy, entitled, scrounging scum that irresponsibly gets 'free' housing. I need taught a lesson in work ethic apparently. So you're way above me.

Some days I enjoy reading Mn. Others I it makes me feel so shit about myself I have to stop because it gets to the stage I feel the need to cut myself as punishment.

usualsuspect Mon 23-Dec-13 22:45:12

My DD had some Rockports for Christmas once.

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:45:53

Yes but I gave the driver a card saying "to the ocado delivery man at Christmas"

I'm THAT common.

RobinSparkles Mon 23-Dec-13 22:46:08

Did you wear them with bright stripey socks, Sp? grin

DH has rockports, he says they're really comfy.

mrsjay Mon 23-Dec-13 22:46:10

They drink buckfast and wander round in tracksuits with their trouser bottoms tucked into their socks....

<nods> although we do get chavs according to one of my dds they wear jack willis and hollister apparently and are mahoghany brown

Robin I think that was just how townies communicated, they went through a phase around here were they called all the alternative kids "greebos", no matter whether they were metallers, goths or punks. Confused people no end, confused the townies more if you asked them to explain why though wink

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:46:44

Grumpy - oh, me too.

Single parent? Tick.
On benefits? Tick.

I've found myself justifying mine and my kids right to even be alive on many a thread - although people benefit bashing generally get a good kicking on here, I've noticed.

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:47:02

My neighbour has red geraniums and she is middle class as they come, and I'm sure she thinks I am common.

Should I pop a note in her door? She must be a bit out of touch.

usualsuspect Mon 23-Dec-13 22:47:05

Did you get in in the card factory?

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:47:06

Grumpy Don't let people here get to you. My whole life is a MN crime but fuck it.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:47:44

What is buckfast?

<lives under a stone>

HaroldTheGoat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:48:14

I got it from a Clinton's outlet store in the welsh valleys.

Wearing a tracksuit whilst smoking a fag.

JRmumma Mon 23-Dec-13 22:48:20

I'm probably a chav by most MNers standards. Well the standards they most likely are only pretending to have when they post so as to make themselves feel superior.

The ASDA thing kills me. Why is ASDA chavvy but ALDI practically the holy grail? I love ALDI but if I was to give a chav rating to it, it would be higher than ASDA.

I have mum in my nickname but its not a reference to me being a mum, its a DALLAS in-joke reference from my childhood. Is that more or less chavvy???

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:48:43

Robin No of Corse now. It was Adidas poppers grin

All the lads had Rockport jumpers from the catalogues.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:49:10

I've even been known to send my Mum one of those 'From the cat' cards for her birthday.

And I buy cards in Card Factory!

usualsuspect Mon 23-Dec-13 22:49:11

Clintons is a bit posh.

You need to leave the thread.

Oh and no rockports here, just fake adidas/reebok trainers.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:50:08

Reebok classics that had soles so thick that it was like walking in moon boots

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:51:02

I would shop at Aldi and Lidl if:

a) they weren't two buses away from me (not very practical)

and

b) they didn't seem to be selling predominantly ski-wear.

I assume if I did all my grocery shopping in Aldi I could afford to go skiing. Is that how it works?

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Dec-13 22:52:16

My son has a Hello Kitty pushchair, which lifts it from tacky and gendering to contemporary and witty, no?

Chav is about a class of people, it's about social positioning, so I think it's not really the same as saying tacky - saying something is tacky is commenting on someone's taste and not social position. So even if it is quite sneery to say someone's taste is tacky, it's not discriminatory as it does not mobilise class as an insult.

I shop on the market, which is both aspirational and cheap. As well as dangerous, in this weather.

grumpyoldbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:52:48

Buckfast is a tonic wine made by monks. It's fairly strong and relatively cheap. Tends to be abused around my way anyway. You'll find empty and broken bottles littering various places especially at weekends.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 22:53:20

Heartbrokenmum73 I was being ironic. fwink

We are currently going through an Adventure Time and a My Little Pony phase.
Didn't the word chav originally mean child? I heard it first used in a derogatory term years ago in east Kent, then it just took off as a term of abuse.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:53:28

Rather have my MD 20/20

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:55:25

Buckfast is a tonic wine made by monks.

Where do you all live that there are monks with a distillery?

This is turning into an episode of Horrible Histories.

At the risk of derailing my own thread, did anyone catch the (repeated) Christmas Horrible Histories yesterday?

Roland the Farter still makes me howl grin

grumpyoldbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:55:32

I'm the opposite heartbrokenmum. I've only the choice of Lidl and Coop within walking distance. I find Co-op expensive and our local one has very little choice.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:56:38

We are currently going through an Adventure Time and a My Little Pony phase.

Please, please tell me you have these on the same t-shirt.

I would wear that myself.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 22:57:20

SP do they still do 20/20 near you? I've looked for it everywhere. Wanted to buy it as a nostalgic 30th present for my friend earlier this year.

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout Mon 23-Dec-13 22:57:51

this sums up chavvy for me.. grin

grumpyoldbat Mon 23-Dec-13 22:58:02

The monks in question here are at Buckfastleigh Abbey AFAIK. Historically most abbeys would have made wine or beer I think. Was safer than water back in the old days.

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 22:58:23

Grumpy - where I now live we had nothing but Co-Ops. It is stupidly expensive. And they sell something for awhile, let you get used to it, then stop selling it - and you can't find it in any other shop!

Then a big Tesco was built.

And lo, the people did shop. And it was good.

southeastastra Mon 23-Dec-13 22:58:54

i embrace my chavvy tendencies, like a drink with the old dodgy geezers and wear a bit of bling now and again.

it's more fun that looking through the boden catalogue and ofsted reports

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 22:59:06

I think the shop I used to get it from still has it.

I loved the orange one. Couldn't imagine it now. That and Cherry Lambrini

Heartbrokenmum73 Mon 23-Dec-13 23:00:14

I used to be partial to orange Bacardi Breezers.

Crap, I am a chav, aren't I?

JRmumma Mon 23-Dec-13 23:00:50

Yes lumpy chav used to mean child. We used to say it but had to stop 10 years or so ago when it took on a different meaning.

Nowadays i believe it means a Burberry wearing, cheap gold sporting teenage mother who smokes a fag whilst pushing a buggy grin

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Mon 23-Dec-13 23:02:30

I also have a Burberry bag in the house. It is likely a fake so... grin

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 23:03:36
Annunziata Mon 23-Dec-13 23:04:15

I am too! The baby has hoop earrings, DH has a 4x4 and various other sins smile

lanbro Mon 23-Dec-13 23:04:28

Back in the day a chav started of as a charver, also known previously as a sharon/tracy/trevor. If I recall it referred to people with huge hairsprayed fringes who wore Adidas tracksuits, a delightful fashion trend of the 90s. My sister will happily admit she went through a charver stage, I on the other hand was too much of a geek! These days it seems to have become something much more offensive for whatever reason, but who really cares where you shop, what type of Xmas cards you send, what your kids wear etc? I don't!

FreudiansSlipper Mon 23-Dec-13 23:07:17

the word chav it is bounded around on here often mn is full of those that are desperate to be seen as mc and this is one way of telling us hmm they are

what is the need other than to make yourself feel better than those you think you are better than

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 23:07:40

Back in the day the eighties we called them the casuals.

PrincessWellington Mon 23-Dec-13 23:07:45

Well I get the piss taken because I'm 'posh' just because I can phrase an email professionally and type all words in a text message.
I also make colleagues feel 'inferior' due to the language I use and my life choices (for example, refusing to stay in a Travelodge on a weekend away with DH and spending £250 on ourselves rather than as a family)
No matter what you do, someone will judge you. I'm slowly learning that you just need to be happy with the decisions you make and the life you lead.
I think WTF to a lot of my colleagues' decisions but I'm learning to smile and nod.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 23:10:57

No matter what you, or what you do.

Someone's always judging you.

grumpyoldbat Mon 23-Dec-13 23:11:20

lanbro it more people who use to make people like me feel guilty for being alive. They use it when telling us we're scum, scroungers, lazy, not proper human beings, that we're people who don't deserve to be alive that our children shouldn't have been born, that our existence ruins people's lives. That's why it becomes offensive.

Btw I don't care where people shop either. I judge people on how they treat others, their manners etc.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 23:12:18

No mater what you say, or what you do.

Someone's always judging you.

LumpySpacePrincessOhMyGlob Mon 23-Dec-13 23:12:55

Matter. I. Give up.

MincedMuffPies Mon 23-Dec-13 23:13:04

I loved my Adidas poppers trackies back in the days... And my dolly chain and chops wink 20/20 green was the ish to..

Teenagers nowadays look to nice grin

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 23-Dec-13 23:14:50

not chavvy just horribly lower MC OP. HTH

Mind you I am dead posh and I FF so you can never tell

southeastastra Mon 23-Dec-13 23:15:14

we had loads of casuals at school, lots of branded sportswear, that's sort of what i think 'chavs' are equalivant to now. it's just fun really, people mis-interpret it and write books about 'chavs' which seem to think 'chav' is a word that's offensive when i don't think it started out to be at all.

lanbro I'd heard of charver being used, can see how that would shorten to chav. Have also hearda theory that it originally referred to townies from Chatham, which also got shortened to chav. Be interested to know where the word actually started, and why it gained prominence where townie/ned/etc didn't?

TheChineseLady Mon 23-Dec-13 23:30:49

I'm pretty sure that 'townie' began as a way to distinguish between university students and locals in most university towns.

Purplepoodle Mon 23-Dec-13 23:35:28

Kids are only young for a short time - embrace the tack

FreudiansSlipper Mon 23-Dec-13 23:35:42

having the piss taken out of you is not the same as being called a chav one is derogatory the other is not

one is considered more superior than the other something to aspire to or certainly a lifestyle to aspire to (not suggesting everyone wants to forget their background), there could be many reasons why someone may take the piss out of someone being posh it is not necessarily because others feel inferior it might in itself be a piss take, you know desperately wanting to come across as something you want to be but maybe are not

MissWinter01 Mon 23-Dec-13 23:41:55

Well I'm a chav as a couple of the statements apply to me and damn proud of it Heartbrokenmummy

Pay no attention. It's internet snobbery. Really not worth even giving it a second thought hun.

What must they think of me, I bought DD a Minnie Mouse table a chair set for Christmas shock how scandalous wink

MudCity Tue 24-Dec-13 00:05:32

You sound normal.

I find people who put others down for their choices are generally trying to make themselves feel better for who they are.

I too am eclectic in my tastes. I shop everywhere and wear everything.

I was once put down by a colleague for buying someone who looked after my pets a substantial Argos voucher to say thank you. They thought that was terribly chavvy. I saw it as practical. Get what you want, nearby, at a decent price! A Sony television is a Sony television whether you buy it from John Lewis, Currys or Argos!

TheBigJessie Tue 24-Dec-13 00:22:41

I still have some adidas tracksuit bottoms in the wardrobe! Yes, I used to wear sportswear. They were comfortable! I stopped because I have a very youthful appearance, and youthful appearance + sportswear + baby do not get you good treatment.

I also send personalised dear aunt/nanna cards.

I shop with Ocado, Tesco, Aldi, and Co-op, although not simultaneously. Can't get the staff for that, daaaah-ling!

I have a name which earmarks my social origins with precision. We're talking worse than beginning with a K, here grin it's more of a Dayyry (like Dairy) or something.

I breastfed.

I have a flat-screen TV and six bookcases. some of which house a magnificent DVD collection

And yet, acquaintances put me firmly in the middle-class box, and tell me that I speak poshly.

Perhaps it's because I read the Guardian?

MillyChristmas Tue 24-Dec-13 00:48:59

Chinese As far as I'm aware Townie refers to people who live in the town when the rest of us lived in the country confused

Mimishimi Tue 24-Dec-13 02:03:56

Chavale - means brother, boy etc. i wouldn't take it as an insult personally. smile

steff13 Tue 24-Dec-13 03:04:49

I have a number in my username, so I guess I'm a chav, though I'm still not sure what it is. I know what chevre is, and I quite like it.

Coumarin Tue 24-Dec-13 05:24:32

That card thread got my heckles up. I blame pmt.

I do the main shop at Asda at it's the largest store near us but I also class Booths, which according to some on here is vay posh, as my local shop.

I bought a relationship card for someone but it was from M&S.

And so on.

It's all balls really isn't it? (Or should that be testicles?). I do wonder if those who are quick to declare something 'chavvy' have something of a complex about their own status/class and perhaps worry they aren't as middle class as they'd like to think themselves. It's like the 'middleclassproblems' hashtag on twitter, there's something quite earnest about it. Very Mrs Bucket, room for a pony.

daisychain01 Tue 24-Dec-13 06:09:14

You forgot one thing-
Having a number at the end of your nickname is also' chavvy' ...well I think so anyway

<whimper>

SMorgauseBordOfChristmasTat Tue 24-Dec-13 07:23:50

I think Chav is no better or worse than other stereotype tribal epithets for example -

Goth
Emo
Gangsta
Boho
Grunge
Crumbly
Hippy

People use them as a form of shorthand to describe people. Both my DSs were called nerds or geeks but it didn't bother them.

I confess I've used all those terms myself at some time. It only seems to be chav that gets people worked up. My Dniece was trying to explain to her 10 year old that it wasn't kind to call someone a chav. His reply was that if they didn't like being called chavs they shouldn't dress like chavs.

I suspect it means different things in different areas of the country as well. Here possession of a big fuck off buggy or shopping at Primark is chavdom.

All of these are used in a sneery way often.

Alconleigh Tue 24-Dec-13 07:31:23

I was one of the ones who used the word chavvy on the card thread, and I regret my choice of word. I don't apologise for thinking they are naff as anything though. There is a lot of po "you mustn't criticise anything ever as someone else likes it and that's ok we're all different" going on. But if that's the case then we need to stop about three quarters of the threads on here including the ritual annihilation of Per Una and Speziale, and that would be a disaster.

RandallFloyd Tue 24-Dec-13 07:33:46

Where is this cards thread of which you speak? It sounds hilarious.

I order Funky Pigeon cards especially, because shops don't sell English cards with Taid on. I've even been known to do the ones you can put your own photos on.

I reckon I'd be well popular over there fgrin

Sisterelephant Tue 24-Dec-13 07:40:50

Another 'chav' here then!

Mumsnet snobbery me thinks, learn to ignore it!

Earthymama Tue 24-Dec-13 07:59:20

Having been born in a Victorian slum, brought up in a council house (loved it), attended grammar school, got a degree, and did a quiz yesterday that said I was 100% middle-class, at which I was 100% offended may I offer up Owen Jones Chavs?

This class thing has been used recently to divide the traditional left of centre approach to politics and to society.

It's amazing how defensive we get; I feel really pissed off when my eminently sensible decision to put the TV on the wall because I live in a tiny house is used to demonise me! Probably should feel guilty that I don't have a huge lounge. . . Oh no! That's the wrong word!

Just be comfortable in yourself. I know I am ponce-tastic with my veg-box and living Christmas Tree. However, I don't need to feel better than anyone who doesn't make my choices.

But don't get me started on Blue Flashing Christmas Lights!

HaroldTheGoat Tue 24-Dec-13 07:59:35

Chav is different to using naff though, or anything like boho, hippy, geek.

I think there is something particularly unpleasant about the word. It's not just a descriptive it's an insult.

Saying a card is naff is insulting the card, fine. Saying they are chavvy makes a judgement call on the person buying them.

SMorgauseBordOfChristmasTat Tue 24-Dec-13 08:02:00

Blue flashing lights are the invention of the devil.

HaroldTheGoat Tue 24-Dec-13 08:09:11

Usual I've seen confirmation Clinton's is chavvy.

In back in the game.

AlaskaNebraska Tue 24-Dec-13 08:42:08

Lol at peruna

SMorgauseBordOfChristmasTat I agree, but a hell of a lot of people use it in a very different way. Which just seems daft to me.

mrsjay Tue 24-Dec-13 10:12:50

if clintons is chavvy I wonder what people think of THe Card Factory

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 24-Dec-13 10:12:58

People now use the word 'chav' in place of common or naff. They are totally different things.

usualsuspect Tue 24-Dec-13 10:17:01

If you think people use Chav in the same way as they use goth,emo etc.Then you have never read the baby names threads on MN.

usual I haven't read the baby names threads on MN - thankfully! But everyone I know IRL uses the word in the same way they use goth, emo etc.

usualsuspect Tue 24-Dec-13 10:18:43

Anyway it's Chriiiistmasss,so I'm off to sort out my chavvy house.

mrsjay Tue 24-Dec-13 10:20:15

people on mumsnet who use the word Chav are not using it to describe a style of person they are saying these people are common as muck for buying/wearing/doing, it is insulting being called an Emo is not an insult it is a style (if that makes sense)

LuciusMalfoyisSmokingHot Tue 24-Dec-13 10:20:19

I must be Chavvy too Heart as i do or have done 3 things on that list and shop at Iceland and Home Bargains.

My DD's name isnt chavvy though.

Ah see I use Emo as an insult wink

mrsjay Tue 24-Dec-13 10:23:04

why would you use emo as an insult , tbh that is quite childish and it is something i would tell my dd off for are you my daughter

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 24-Dec-13 10:24:33

MrsJ look at the username and the smiley. gringringrin

The wink was kind of a clue..

It's also a long running thing for goths to dislike emos, especially as the press for a long time kept saying emo's were the "nu goths" <shudders> And the goth cliché is to be elitist and exclusionary.

Thank you onesleep!

MadAsFish Tue 24-Dec-13 10:36:48

The 'Tude got his dad one but they don't have Cockhead cards

An obvious gap in the market. We should address it.

Feenie Tue 24-Dec-13 10:37:00

And to never, ever admit you are a goth, MoG wink

Haha, even if it means going so far as to wear neon yellow Feenie grin

MadAsFish Tue 24-Dec-13 10:42:43

Hee

Feenie Tue 24-Dec-13 10:45:19

grin grin

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Tue 24-Dec-13 10:51:33

Mad I know! He would receive several just from me grin

I'm off to Tesco for some bits. I need alcohol for thee mother of mine and a present for the stepdad from my son.

Any Leeds MNers looks out for me sat in the alcohol aisle with The 'Tude running around. I will be the tiny mum rocking and drinking Tesco Own Vodka

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 24-Dec-13 10:52:51

I have to wonder - would you wish an emo a miserable Christmas? grin

Hahaha never seen that before Mad! Love it, though tbh the man is almost beyond parody, have you seen his website?!

Theonlyoneiknow Tue 24-Dec-13 11:00:30

This whole 'chav' crap really pisses me off.

My beautiful DS had his name utterly slated on the babynames board recently because it is 'chavvy' and thus hated by (and yes I counted) 70+% of people who commented on it.

Come on!!!! What kind of people are these posters, god forbid anyone dare to judge you on anything that you do, WTF.

LightsPlease Tue 24-Dec-13 11:01:36

Sp I just laughed out loud at aldi netto and lidl were embarrassing to be seen in. Don't forget kwik save.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 24-Dec-13 11:05:03

Until this year I had no idea there was such an issue about "name" cards. My family have always given each other name cards and so does everyone else I know.

MN can be weird.

I tick all the same boxes as you op - except how babies were fed. Because I don't yet have children.

Don't understand how ff is "chavvy" mind. What dickhead said that?

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 24-Dec-13 11:05:21

theonlyone people didn't actually skate the name, they says it was very popular in certain circles, or with certain types of people. I know it upset you, but it's not quite the same thing.

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 24-Dec-13 11:05:39

Sorry, slate, not skate.

Onesleeptillwembley Tue 24-Dec-13 11:06:09

Aargh. Says = said.

RandallFloyd Tue 24-Dec-13 11:18:11

S'all right TheOnlyOne, my DS's name is both 'horribly chavvy' and 'awfully middle class' according to MN. <proud>

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Tue 24-Dec-13 11:23:05

Lights Oh yes! Kwik save and the cardboard boxes.

It was really shameful. I remember been 13 and refusing to get out of the car and go into Netto with my mum. It was right near my school and loads of people lived near it. I laid down on backseat til mum drove out grin

LightsPlease Tue 24-Dec-13 11:26:04

Red and white stripey bags. What happened to netto ?
Hiding in the car was a good idea. I remember 'your mum shops in quik save' insults.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Tue 24-Dec-13 11:28:55

It closed down. All either Asdas or Farmfoods.

They used to chant:

N E T T O
Grab your Netto bag and go

WitchOfEndor Tue 24-Dec-13 11:33:28

Who cares what anybody else thinks though? I wish people could get over the need to label others, whether to sneer at or aspire to. We are all individuals and should be treated as such, not lumped together because of appearance/accent/education/DC names/Spider-Man tshirts.

Rant over, let's all link arms <sways to the Corries playing Auld Land Sine>

LightsPlease Tue 24-Dec-13 11:33:59

Oh wow you had a song for it. You didn't grow up in South London by any chance did you.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Tue 24-Dec-13 11:44:28

No. I'm in the West of Yorkshire

AmberLeaf Tue 24-Dec-13 11:55:33

Back in the day a chav started of as a charver

Both words are romani in origin really.

Chav =child

Charver = prostitute!

Chavvy = friend/mate

stubbs0412 Tue 24-Dec-13 12:18:31

Amber leaf you beat me to it!
I was just going to say the same thing
How did Romany for child evolve into what some people now use for anything or person they perceive as beneath them?

AmberLeaf Tue 24-Dec-13 12:23:31

I'm surprised it hasn't come up until now stubbs0412! someone [often me!] usually points it out on the 'chav' threads.

How did Romany for child evolve into what some people now use for anything or person they perceive as beneath them?

Not sure, but it doesn't surprise me I must say.

higgle Tue 24-Dec-13 13:01:46

OP, I do all the things you mention and I am generally regarded as quite posh.

HoneyStepMummy Tue 24-Dec-13 15:25:09

So which exact 'K' names are chavvy????? All of them apart from Katherine or Kate??
My whole life people have made fun of me because I'm posh and now according to MN I'm chavvy because my name begins with a 'K'???

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 24-Dec-13 15:31:47

Honey

According to some - absolutely every single K name except Katherine and possibly, Keir.

Bonkers.

grumpyoldbat Tue 24-Dec-13 15:42:11

My dds don't have K names but have names "only an idiot would give their child". I can't remember the consensus on my name but it wasn't very nice.

LuciusMalfoyisSmokingHot Tue 24-Dec-13 15:50:01

What are the names Grumpy?

My DD has a P name.

TheSmallClanger Tue 24-Dec-13 15:59:33

I use a derivative of my name which is often described as being unsuitable for an adult. Probably a chav then.

DD had some character clothes, and we shop at Asda because it is convenient and stocks most of the things we use. Chavvy, obviously.

DD's forename is also a double-barrelled one. Double chocolate fudge chavvy with sprinkles on top.

I also do other awful things like have non-white household linen, pay no attention to which way the toilet roll is facing in the holder, keep bull-breed dogs and drive a Subaru.

ScrambledSmegs Tue 24-Dec-13 16:04:56

I shop at tesco (amongst others), and my name is the Hon. Lady Kiki Huntingdon-Fortescue <lies>

I'm having an identity crisis.

GimmeDaBoobehz Tue 24-Dec-13 16:13:19

Everyone has a right to think something is chavvy if they so wish but I do think you cross the line by saying to someone you think they are chavvy. Nobody has the right to outwardly judge someone else, unless they are putting their children/selves/pets in physical or emotional danger, I don't see why it has anything to do with anyone else.

I shop at Tesco and sometimes Asda.
I send cards because of the words and some of them are all soppy.
My daughter isn't old enough yet but I expect she will have character designs on her clothing/bedding etc if she has a favourite.
I give my daughter formula and breastmilk and jarred and non jarred foods (semi-chav?)

I honestly couldn't care less though. I have never been called a chav when I have spoken to someone as I am articulate, responsible, wear nice clothes that aren't dirty but aren't overly trendy either.
I like to think of the definition of all this is individual to everyone.

But YANBU to be annoyed by it.
But YABU to care what some random tosser online thinks.

sherazade Tue 24-Dec-13 16:30:16

being angry about being called a chav is the first and foremost sign that you could be one.

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oldgrandmama Tue 24-Dec-13 17:03:04

I shop in the Pound ShopS and in our local street market so I must be an ancient Chav - AND PROUD OF IT.

grumpyoldbat Tue 24-Dec-13 17:04:18

Oh don't worry sherazade I well aware I've no real right to exist. I know I'm....<can't be bothered to relist all my crimes against humanity>. I do however get losses off with the need some people have to constantly ram my scumminess down my throat. It's rude and quite frankly says a lot more about their insecurities. It's a very good time to remember" if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all" just because something may be true doesn't mean you have to voice it.

JulieJingleBellsMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 24-Dec-13 17:54:28

Evening.

A quick ten second guide to our lovely 'talk guidelines';

Comment on the post not the poster.

Getit?

everlong Tue 24-Dec-13 17:56:44

WHY was my post deleted?!
That doesn't make sense really.

I bloody love Iceland, I'm chavtastic! grin

usualsuspect Tue 24-Dec-13 18:05:19

Yeah let the idiotic posters post what the fuck they like.

Got it.

sherazade Tue 24-Dec-13 18:09:18

that's the spirit, mummytowillow fgrin <off to check out Tesco clothing sale>

wigglesrock Tue 24-Dec-13 18:09:38

sherazade what a wanky post - I wonder if I could deduce anything about you from the wankerdom of your post?

Minnieistheglittermouse Tue 24-Dec-13 18:10:43

Own it baby! Work it!!

I'm no chav but if you paint me that way I'll act it and more and see if you get the joke.

Most don't.

I'll end with "Essex girls foreva!"

HaroldTheGoat Tue 24-Dec-13 18:18:00

Why was my post deleted? There is always a Christmas dickhead. Do you not watch eastenders MNHQ, it's fact.

usualsuspect Tue 24-Dec-13 18:19:42

It's because your post was a bit council,Harold

MadAsFish Wed 25-Dec-13 10:09:28

have you seen his website

cough*self-important curmudgeon*cough

/SOM digression

Elfhame Wed 25-Dec-13 10:32:03

Breathing is chavvy on mumsnet. This place is full of Hyacinth Buckets.

Best to ignore people who won't buy their kid a Thomas the Tank engine shirt because they are scared of what the neighbours will think. They are ridiculous. I can't be bothered to get offended by their brain farts. My son has Thomas the tank engine stuff ... judge away!

PacificDingbat Wed 25-Dec-13 10:44:30

Ok, the repeated mention of Thomas the Tankengine t-shirts is now getting to me - I did not even know that they were chivvy!!
Why oh why has nobody told me? <wails and breathes in and out all over thread>

Merry Christmas, MNers fsmile <-named Christmas card

PacificDingbat Wed 25-Dec-13 10:44:59

Oh no, they are chivvy AND chavvy - damn you autocorrect

GoshAnneGorilla Wed 25-Dec-13 10:46:42

I thought all little boys had to go through a stage of being obsessed with Thomas the Tank engine, regardless of class. That and dinosaurs. Isn't that the law?

Also, Thomas the Tank engine books are very much of a forelock-tugging world where everyone knows their place, you'd think the Hyacinths would love that.

PacificDingbat Wed 25-Dec-13 10:56:25

Well, DS4 is 3.8 and he still wearing 18-24month sized Thomas t-shirt - the sleeves go to his elbows, there is screaming every time it has to go in the wash and I have to peel it off him using bribery and coercion.

And I am well posh. Or not. I don't know.

I am not British - so what do I know about 'class'? It just bamboozles me fconfused

SootikinAndSweep Wed 25-Dec-13 11:07:51

The rules are all very confusing aren't they?

For fear of inadvertently committing social suicide I'm following these guidelines:

No rings are safer than either sovereigns or signets.

No names beginning with K or unique spellings. [If I have a son and want to name him Kai, is it better or worse to spell it with a Q?]

You can 'run into' Waitrose for 'a couple of essentials', but the really posh people shop in Lidl. [I'm fucked as we don't have a Waitrose, does this mean that I'm now really posh?]

Taz1212 Wed 25-Dec-13 11:18:49

Huh. Numbers in user names are chavvy? How bizarre! How random! I'm struggling to make myself care. Does that make me more chavvy or less chavvy? grin

Theimpossiblegirl Wed 25-Dec-13 11:24:22

I didn't think people used the word chavvy anymore in polite society.
It's a bit sneery and outdated. ;)

(I did once comment on a baby name thread about the use of the word chavvy and got shot down but I do hate snobbery).

Elfhame Wed 25-Dec-13 11:24:38

They might all know their place, but Tidmouth sheds look like the might be rented from the council. wink

Elfhame Wed 25-Dec-13 11:25:42

they might be rented from the council

CombineBananaFister Wed 25-Dec-13 11:50:30

Think lots of little boys do go through the thomas the tank engine stage (or other character).

The difference is the so-called chavvy mum will buy the £4 top from asda.
The mum who thinks she's not chavvy will buy a top with a train on it from Joules/boden for £20 and then convince the child it's better.
The truly rich who don't have owt to prove and don't give a shit will buy it from the charity shop after the asda mum as used it for 50p and wear it til it's got holes in it grin

I am, of course saying that in jest (dislike reverse snobbery as much as actual snobbery) but it is all a bit like the emperors new clothes to me what dictates 'cool', 'chav' etc. It's only if you give a shit that any of it counts and personally I don't.

Theimpossiblegirl Wed 25-Dec-13 14:44:33

Agree with Combine - the secret is to not give a shit.

I'm sorry this is getting to you, OP, but rise above it and be happy with who you are. People who call others chavvy are too concerned with status and probably a bit insecure.

Caitlin17 Wed 25-Dec-13 14:48:36

I don't like personalised cards.
There are apparently other Caitlins on here.
I've never, despite being an outrageous snob, called any one a chav.

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