to think a stew with a pastry lid is not a pie?

(45 Posts)
mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 12:47:25

such a dissapointment!

OpheliasWeepingWillow Wed 18-Dec-13 12:50:35


Very upsetting

BuntyPenfold Wed 18-Dec-13 12:51:20

It was always just that in our house, a casserole/stew with a pastry lid.
I know from working in the local that that is what they do too, a giant tub of stew in fridge, a frozen lid shape of puff-pastry to bake on top.

No real construction involved.

sewingandcakes Wed 18-Dec-13 12:52:52

I pie's not a pie, for me, unless it's encased completely in pastry.

somersethouse Wed 18-Dec-13 12:53:09

Definitely NBU. It is NOT a pie!

Rollermum Wed 18-Dec-13 12:53:54

YANBU - always a disappointment!

UsedToBeNDP Wed 18-Dec-13 12:54:44

Suits me. Much rather that than loads of pastry and a measly amount of filling. A lot of pastry makes me feel a bit bloaty so the 'hat' pie is a winner for me.

Patilla Wed 18-Dec-13 12:55:51

May we take it that you have been disappointed this lunchtime OP?!

DoctorTwoTurtleDoves Wed 18-Dec-13 12:56:36

It's a pot pie. YABU.

The pastry is the only reason to have pie, especially if its buttery. Mmmmm


MaxPepsi Wed 18-Dec-13 12:58:18

Was it served in an individual pot with the lid baked on?
If so, it will pass as a pie for me.

Served in a pot with a lid placed on, I'd let it go but would be unhappy.

Slapped on a plate with a lid just chucked on any old how? I'd send it back!!

trikken Wed 18-Dec-13 12:58:22

I agree with you OP. Needs pastry sides and a bottom too.

mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 13:00:26

yep. local cafe had goulash 'pie' on offer.

it's. just. not. right.
I was expecting something I could hold in my hand and eat.
made my feelings known...

Middleagedmotheroftwo Wed 18-Dec-13 13:00:49

Pies have to have bottoms and sides as well as tops. And nice thick gravy/sauce. I hate the pseudo pies served in many pubs and the like.

mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 13:01:05

slapped on a plate with a cheffy disk of pastry.

Chippednailvarnish Wed 18-Dec-13 13:02:24

Its a pot pie...

mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 13:02:51

the goulash was delicious, though.
was tempted to offload a pile of my ramekins so they have no! excuse! next time.

Joysmum Wed 18-Dec-13 13:05:39

Pies should have tops, bottoms and sides so the yummy filling can soak in. Shouldn't be too thick though, nor at the expense of lots of yummy filling.

That's what I make as a pie - home made slow cooked stew, into pie tin, home made pastry lid. My kids wouldn't eat more pastry than that, DH and I wouldn't want more pastry than the lid, and I cba to blind bake a pie case... Its better with just the pastry lid.

For sweet pies I do the pastry base.

In a cafe or restaurant... it depends on the type of place I guess... would you really pick a pie up in your hand in a knife and fork place? Should it not come with gravey?

Pie from a bakery or butchers to be eaten as take away or for a picnic should be pick-upable so should have the case, and could be eaten cold.

Different pies for different circumstances, all still pies, IMO fgrin

I can just about live with a pie that doesn't have a bottom - so long as it comes in it's own dish and there is a really thick bit of crust where the lid is attached to the dish.

But I do object to the sort of place that gives you a ladle of stew and a separate rectangle of puff pastry, which have obviously never met before being plonked on my plate.

Shepherds pie is not a pie but still called pie... much to my 6 year old's disgust

UsedToBeNDP Wed 18-Dec-13 13:11:28

And a pasty is filling entirely cased in pastry but isn't a pie


frogspoon Wed 18-Dec-13 13:14:16

I would still call that a pie, as it does actually have a pastry lid.

However I have had stews with little pastry dumpling things sold to me as "pies", when they are clearly not pies.

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 18-Dec-13 13:16:25

A pie is only a pie if filling and topping are cooked together, in an oven. That is my the rule.

My granny made lovely stews. Next day the leftover stew would appear in a pie with top, bottom and sides in delicious shortcrust pastry (pastry always made with lard).

Now THAT was a real pie, none of your cheffy disc of flaky nonsense.

KatAndKit Wed 18-Dec-13 13:18:20

yANBU the "faux pie" is one of my pet hates. A pie is cooked in a pie dish and has top and bottom pastry. I particularly like bottom pastry as it is a bit soggy with pie gravy. A stew with a puff lid is not a pie at all.

no blind baking required here. Buy packet of shortcrust pastry, roll out, assemble pie, in the oven. Works fine for me.

BoreOfWhabylon Wed 18-Dec-13 13:34:39

Yes! All hail the soggy bottom!

Anatanacoat Wed 18-Dec-13 13:46:05


That's not a pie, it's a hat.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Wed 18-Dec-13 13:51:28

>>>| ... screeches to a dead halt at the spelling of 'gravey' shock

Sorry OP, dig about a thread there, as you were! Yes, pies are pies, not wet stuff with a pastry lid! <looks for placard>... grin

mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 13:56:25

for a moment I thought I had written the offending grav(e)y.

kotinka Wed 18-Dec-13 14:02:52

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Doyouthinktheysaurus Wed 18-Dec-13 14:22:57

As long as the stew and pastry met before they went in the oven, that style of pie suits me fine!

Too much pastry is too filling. I like a nice individual portion of stew with a puff pastry topping.

JockTamsonsBairns Wed 18-Dec-13 14:26:25


In Scotland, a pie is indeed a stew with a lid. I give you our world famous steak pie - not to be confused with the "steak pie" consumed in England.


GoldenGytha Wed 18-Dec-13 14:26:32

I love home made steak pie, but it must only have a pastry lid,

Actually a very Scottish way of making a Steak Pie, with just a puff pastry top, never shortcrust.

sashh Wed 18-Dec-13 15:01:16

I see your half pie and raise you the Midlands version of a potato pie. No pastry at all, just mashed potato and cheese.

koTinkaBell Wed 18-Dec-13 15:28:45

weirdest thing we have round here is butter pie, it seems to be nothing but slices of spud in a pie crust. But it has a bottom! grin

Butter pie is heaven, (when its a good one that tastes of butter) especially with cheese and Salad cream.

mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 15:33:01

I want butter pie now!
sounds lovely.

MoominMammasHandbag Wed 18-Dec-13 15:33:24

What about a shepherds pie or a fish pie then? I don't think pastry is the defining factor.

mousmous Wed 18-Dec-13 15:36:57

shepherds pie and fish pie could definitly be improved with a pastry casing smile

lessonsintightropes Wed 18-Dec-13 15:38:02

YANBU - I bought a ready made steak and ale one from Tesco and felt much cheated when it didn't have a bottom. fsad

ouryve Wed 18-Dec-13 15:38:25

It's a pot pie.

And doesn't disappoint me, since I often leave the bottom, anyhow.

Sometimes, I just have done and cook the pastry completely separately.

YANBU, really pisses me off in pubs when then do this. I now ask if it has pastry at the bottom and then much to DH'd annoyance moan when they tell me it just has a pastry crust on top, that is not a pie imo.

Beastofburden Wed 18-Dec-13 15:46:14

I love "pie" with just the pastry lid but it must be shortcrust.

Puff pastry pies are an abomination. Fact. The pastry tastes of grease cos it is made with cheap fat and not butter.

My mother swears by cookeen to make pastry but I don't like it, I am an all-butter girl myself

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea Wed 18-Dec-13 15:48:06


There should be a law. Seriously.

The Scots have gotten away with this travesty for FAR TOO LONG.

Hoofdegebouw Wed 18-Dec-13 16:30:32

Are you my dh?? I dread him getting such a 'pie' when we're eating out, the indignation and moaning can go in for days..
A pie has sides and a bottom, so I'm told.

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