Would you allow someone to give your children counterfeits for Xmas?

(94 Posts)
ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:21:45

I don't mean obvious Primarni copies of designs (the school arnt fussy about labels just style) - I mean actual items that are bought from a dodgy market stall/warehouse with fake labels etc

My feeling is that dd especially would be laughed at as she's gullible & wouldn't know the difference but her friends would.

The quality of the items (handbag & sports clothing) are very poor.

No, fake goods fund terrorism


shouldnthavesaid Wed 18-Dec-13 09:24:48

It's hard to tell the difference to be honest. An acquaintance has shedloads of black market items and it's very hard to tell what's not real. I wouldn't buy it due to ethical issues though, eg are fake ugg boots man made or made from the skin of some poor creature etc..

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:25:00

I'm very tempted to just bin the items as to my mind they are illegal - it's fraud - but I'm afraid of looking grabby/ungrateful.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 09:26:11

No then.
You are right, children are cruel and would spot the fakes straight away.

My dd is under pressure to fit in too and everyone wears Miss Sassy trousers to school and Hollister coats. We simply can't afford brand names and to her credit she doesn't ask for them. She says that real friends wouldn't care what she wore and she's quite right.

Encourage your children to be different. Tell them how proud you are of them. Have a word with the school if this is happening in school to see what they can do (some schools have second hand clothing stalls and you can get trousers and sometimes jackets from there) or look on ebay to see what they have.

It's really hard to fit in as a teenager. It was for us and it is for them. Nothing changes sadly. But not every teen has these designer clothes and whilst some simply don't care, others like your children perhaps, do.

I would try and get second hand stuff for them but honestly, nothing is better than fakes because that will only make a bad situation worse sad

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:26:12

Auto correct changed dc to school by the way. It should read the dc arnt fussy about designers.

quesadilla Wed 18-Dec-13 09:26:53

Don't know what Primarni is....

I wouldn't rule it out if they were ok quality but probably not if they were naff.

To be honest what would worry me far more would be my dd hanging around with children who are so shallow and graspy that they can tell a designer label from a knock off.

Can't you just get her some normal non-label clothes?

misskatamari Wed 18-Dec-13 09:27:10

I wouldn't - for the reasons previously mentioned and also for the fact that any toys will not have been tested to comply with safety regulations so you have no idea if they are made from things that can be dangerous etc.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 09:27:45

You can't tell people what to give your kids. You say, "Thanks very much, it was really kind of you to get them something." What you do afterwards is fine and up to you...give them to charity, or keep the ones that look ok.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 09:28:29

Chestnuts sorry didn't read your OP properly and thought you were buying.

If these items have already been gifted then have a word with your children, let them know that so-and-so has bought them these and give them the option of choosing to accept them or not. Chances are they won't.

Just say thanks, encourage your kids to do the same and give them to charity.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 09:28:49

misskatamari, I think if the kids are old enough to spot a knock-off, they will probably be grown out of 'toys with small parts'.

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:29:06

Primarni is a nickname for Primark clothes that are based on designer styles (but not attempting to pretend they are the real thing)

The dc probably won't even register they haven't had a present from my cousin if I just bin the parcels.

greenfolder Wed 18-Dec-13 09:29:43

How old is dd? I would accept but tell her they are copies off the market and let her decide whether she wants to use them.I would never buy. And kids round here would never have the real versions.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 09:30:11

Chestnuts you should encourage them to say thanks though. Your cousin has obviously tried and that should be acknowledged.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 09:30:28

As for funding terrorism, there must be loads of terrorists in Turkey then (never knew it was such a hot bed). Likewise Malaysia. Oooooh they're both Muslim countries.

DustyBaubles Wed 18-Dec-13 09:30:53

I have relatives who will buy awful tat from markets.

Generally toys/ornaments. We accept them graciously and do what we can with them.

In your case, I'd accept graciously, and make sure the child knew they hadn't acquired an actual Radley or whatever, but rather a 'toy/copied' version.

That's coloured by the fact that we don't really do 'brands' in this house though.

NotYoMomma Wed 18-Dec-13 09:31:50

my bil got me some fake Mac makeup last year. I was (inwardly) horrified. it was so obvious.

I accepted graciously and then discarded. he saw me using my real Mac once and asked if that what what he had gotten me

'yes bil, I liked what you got so much I bought it in another shade... from the shops'

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:33:24

They are. 12 & 10

I opened them because cousin always buys the wrong size. Ds is exceptionally small for age (age 6 clothes) & in previous years has become distressed about receiving clothes that are massive (ASD issues) so I have opened & discreetly exchanged in advance (has always been Tesco m&S or BHS in the past)

Obviously I can't exchange this time & ds's outfit might fit him in about 3 years.

DirtyDancingCleanLiving Wed 18-Dec-13 09:34:03

Yes, I would allow them to keep them.

I shop in Primark. I think my ship has already sailed in terms of my morals regarding where clothing comes from.

GhostsInSnow Wed 18-Dec-13 09:34:53

I think it depends on the item as well. I went to Egypt last year just before Christmas where the streets were literally lined with Ice Watches at 2 for a fiver. When I got home I compared side by side with a genuine one and the only difference was a spelling mistake on the back of the case.
I bought two as stocking fillers for my friends kids who were 15 and 22 at the time, I did tell my friend that these were brought back from Egypt so were fake. They loved them, still wear them now actually. I wouldn't have gifted them without them knowing they weren't the real thing though.

DialsMavis Wed 18-Dec-13 09:35:37

I do! My brother lives in Hong Kong and the annual package of fake stuff is both a highlight and a tradition of Christmas.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 09:38:14

Kids are better at dealing with stuff than we are, we just don't allow them to half the time.

Sit the kids down. Explain why you opened the presents (your ds will be aware of the size issue I'm sure) and why you can't exchange them. Then suggest that whilst they say thank you to cousin x for thinking about them and spending money on them, they could perhaps give them to a charity shop so that at least the charity can make a bit of money on them and the clothes might just go to a child who would appreciate them.

That would be more in keeping with the Christmas spirit and you know, kids are quite understanding once you have explained things to them.

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:39:53

Would a charity shop take counterfeits? As they could be in trouble for selling them on?

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 09:41:18

Egypt!!! Oh my goodness, are we seeing a trend of...Muslim countries. Must be terrorists...

Oh dear, shame about Hong Kong ruining that one.

DustyBaubles Wed 18-Dec-13 09:42:43

MerryMarigold, have you completely taken leave of your senses?

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 09:43:06

Chestnuts they can take donated items, yes. They aren't selling for profit you see and it's nice to think that the counterfeit goods are actually helping to fund good causes. That's the best use I can think of them.

Everything funds terrorism. Haven't you heard?

DirtyDancingCleanLiving Wed 18-Dec-13 09:44:53

I think you're being a bit ridiculous tbh.

Give your kids the choice. If they really are poor quality then it's not likely they'll be wearing them everyday.

A handbag can be used to keep things in at home - make up/toiletries etc. Sports clothing - just use it for messy play, muddy walks in the winter when it's hidden under a coat anyway, lounging around the house in.

I've had a couple of horrendous bits of clothing for the dc from my nan...they wear them if she comes to visit.

If they are really that awful then why bother with a charity shop? Not likely anyone else is going to want them.

Tbh I think you're just being a bit snobby about the fake brand aspect and has got bugger all to do with fraud/ethical clothing etc.

DirtyDancingCleanLiving Wed 18-Dec-13 09:47:10

I'm actually more than a bit hmm about the 'sit your kids down, explain why you can't possibly keep such awful items' attitude.

Teach your kids to say thank you nicely and encourage them to make use of what they've been given.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 09:48:33

If you look hard enough there will be links somewhere. I wouldn't want to know what links the Bank of England has, but I bet they don't get publicised.

Interpol officials said they hoped publicity for the links between the counterfeit trade and terrorism would deter consumers from buying commonly-faked items such as cheap handbags.

I bet they do. The brands don't like it, and guess who has a lot of money and power.

mrsjay Wed 18-Dec-13 09:49:55

NO fake good are usually a front for criminals workers are exploited animals are cruelly skinned alive for fake uggs, and it is illegal, I would rather my child didnt wear designer than fake and counterfiet

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 09:50:23

I am not at all snobby about designer items - I never buy designer - our clothes come from Asda usually. I SN concerned about justifying something which is illegal - ie trying to pass off something as something it isn't.

mrsjay Wed 18-Dec-13 09:50:27

my sister unwittingly bought uggs that were fake they were confiscated at customs

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 09:54:40

That link was from 2004.

DirtyDancing I'm the one who said sit the kids down and talk to them about what x cousin has bought, but I also said that the OP should ensure that they graciously thank the cousin.

It's not about being snobby. The OP is right, kids do seize any opportunity to tease, particularly if they have perceived those children to be 'different' already. As a child wearing fake goods you might as well just drape a sign around your neck saying 'Kick me whilst I'm down'.

The OP hasn't said that her children would only wear branded items. She was just concerned about the obvious fakes they have been bought.

I would still tell the kids about the gifts, tell them they should be gracious and write a thank you card and donate it to charity if they want to. If they want to wear it then so be it, good on them.

overthemill Wed 18-Dec-13 09:57:44

We had a very kind gift from someone once (years ago) which was a pirate copy if the first Harry potter film. My DH was amazed that I couldn't let the kids watch it. I feel really strongly about it still. Such a kind thought but piracy is theft. I also feel weird about kids downloading music for free via YouTube as performers don't get royalties. Call me old fashioned...

DialsMavis Wed 18-Dec-13 09:58:02

I probably wouldn't let them wear obvious fakes, the ones from Hong Kong that I turn a Blind eye to are faultless

GhostsInSnow Wed 18-Dec-13 10:01:23

I saw the worst fake Radley bag I have ever seen in my life in a charity shop locally a few months ago. From it's £2.50 price tag they must have known it was fake so I was a bit surprised to see it on the shelf.

Every street stall in Egypt (Sharm) is heaving with fakes, everything from GHD's to Converse. I bought some GHD's the first time I went about 5 years ago, they cost me £15. They are still the best set of hair straighteners I have ever owned. I've also had fake converse from the markets there too and they have lasted just as well. The locals make a fortune from the tourists because everywhere you look in Sharm people are dripping in fake watches and wearing cons blush

DH's mate used to go to Thailand a lot and he'd always bring him back a rolex or a tag. DH is easily pleased.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 10:10:18

For those who say counterfeits fund terrorism, I hope you buy only ethically sourced products which don't rely on slave labour or dangerous working conditions. And I hope you didn't give to Comic Relief which kept a large portion of donations in a stakeholder fund which invested money in an arms company. I also hope you don't buy anything which contains Palm Oil or buy any petrol based products as these companies are also corrupt and often terrorise local communities.

The OP had these items given to her children as a gift, she didn't go out and buy them. What is she meant to do, shop her cousin for buying fake goods? If the police were that arsed they would clamp down on these temporary market stalls.

cantheyseeme Wed 18-Dec-13 10:22:38

I would give them to dc's but tell them they are fake and let them make the decision what to do with them. nothing to do with ethics, but like other people have said kids can be cruel.

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Wed 18-Dec-13 10:24:43

I personally wouldn't have an issue.

Juice A friends aunt went yo turkey and came back with fake Converse and Vans. You cant tell the difference at all.

IceBeing Wed 18-Dec-13 10:29:10

ha ha ha...so the kids should thank the cousin for buying fraudulent stuff that could have been manufactured any where with no regard to safety or standards for workers?

Shit fake clothes have been responsible for horrible injuries when the not fit for purpose dyes leak out....

The kids should be writing a letter to the cousin explaining why their actions were so inappropriate...

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 10:31:51

<hopes that IceBeing knows exactly where her shop bought clothes have come from and that her children's toys weren't made in China>

cantheyseeme Wed 18-Dec-13 10:34:21

Because well known manufacturers in this country are SO ethical in regards to the production of their clothes grin

cantheyseeme Wed 18-Dec-13 10:36:14

Also, teaching your kids to be ungrateful! If i had gifted something i would be horrified to recieve a letter telling me how wrong my actions were, i would never bother again.

hopes that IceBeing knows exactly where her shop bought clothes have come from and that her children's toys weren't made in China

Why do you think that because we have purchased products that might possibly have been made in unethical ways that that means we should accept products that were are 100% certain have been made in unethical ways?

SomethingkindaOod Wed 18-Dec-13 10:42:15

The only thing I would have an issue with would be toys because of the safety aspect. As for clothes, even bad fakes have their uses for scruffy days!
I'll stop worrying about the ethics of counterfeit goods when major chains start worrying about their business practises..
DH has a lovely Rolex his boss brought him back from Singapore, when he went to the watch place to get the strap shortened the guy said 'well, it's a fake but it's the best one I've seen'

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn Wed 18-Dec-13 10:44:37

As the items have already been bought and paid for and thus the terrorists already have their money then yes, I'd let the children have them but ensure they know they are fake so that they can laugh it off should anyone point it out.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 10:45:03

Because NoArmani of the assumption that ALL counterfeit goods are made in unethical ways as opposed to shop bought items. It is now incredibly difficult to buy clothing that has been 100% ethically sourced.

There is nothing to say that the OP's cousin bought the items knowing they were counterfeit, especially if he bought them for young children and doesn't have any of his own.

Some counterfeit goods are made in people's bedrooms anyway.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 10:46:41

And as many many posters on this thread have already stated, some families in places like Egypt make a living from selling counterfeit clothing. Would you really take away their only source of income because of some misplaced sense of moral duty?

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 10:47:52

He would have known - he makes regular trips to this warehouse.

He has children & grandchildren.

cantheyseeme Wed 18-Dec-13 10:49:53

Are they realllly obvious fakes?

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 11:09:02

So if this warehouse deals in counterfeit goods on a regular basis, why is it still allowed to trade?

I don't agree on forcing our moral stance onto other people, particularly when actually, there is no evidence that these particular counterfeit goods are funding terrorism or employing people in badly run factories rather than just some bum in a bedroom sewing in labels.

Some family might rely on the income they make from that to live.

Yet my top that I got from George could have been made by a 14yo girl who works from dusk till dawn in a dangerous factory in Bangladesh.

Of course I don't actively seek out counterfeit goods and would never encourage others to do the same, but I would graciously accept them as gifts and try to reverse the bad karm by donating them to charity.

misskatamari Wed 18-Dec-13 11:09:43

Merry - it was unclear from the op that the children were older hence my comment on safety. It isn't just small parts that can be an issue however - there can be problems with the materials things are made from.

Personally as others have said I don't feel comfortable with counterfeit goods. I don't pay much heed to brands though. OP it sounds like your children are very sensible in their outlook (i.e. Real friends don't care etc).

If things have already been gifted then I agree with others you can't really refuse them without appearing rude but it's up to you if you want to keep them after Christmas.

GhostsInSnow Wed 18-Dec-13 11:21:27

SP the converse even come in fake boxes. I was staggered tbh because side by side with genuine ones you'd never know. For some reason in Sharm the fake vans were a lot more expensive, around £25 a pair, which for that price you may as well buy genuine in the UK, but when you can barter down a pair of fake cons for a fiver then people are going to be buying them by the suitcase load I guess.

mewmeow Wed 18-Dec-13 11:45:42

Haha at funds terrorism. Don't forget to not pay any taxes then as the British government constantly green lights arms trade to human rights abusers and terrorists.

IceBeing Wed 18-Dec-13 11:50:32

For me it isn't about the terrorism so much as the safety. The ethical production of anything is a massive minefield indeed.

So in answer I would NEVER EVER EVER buy toys made in china (even if sold by fecking John Lewis). Because they have shit all regulation and lead poisoning happens far too frequently to risk it. Toddlers put toys in their mouths FGS.....

I wouldn't buy vodka out the back of a van because it contains jeff knows what.

I wouldn't buy counterfeit clothing because their is no regulation of dye safety.

AmberLeaf Wed 18-Dec-13 11:57:20

You do realise that many of the 'fakes' are made in the same factories that are contracted to make the real ones?

that's why so many of them are such good copies.

so the real ones are no more ethical than the fakes. made under the same conditions etc.

THECliffRichardSucksEggsinHell Wed 18-Dec-13 11:58:50

Toys made in China are regulated. If they are being sold by respectable shops in the UK then they have passed EU safety tests, whether or not they were made by a young girl with fuck all rights working in a hazardous factory.

You'd be hard pushed to find a toy or any plastic item, which is not made in China. We import a massive amount of merchandise from China, from toys to electronics. You will have something in your home that was made in a factory in China. It's impossible not to have.

harriet247 Wed 18-Dec-13 12:08:36

would never ever accept electrical fakes - ipods etc because they really can be fatal-young noy near us killed by a fake charger of all things

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 12:14:33

We don't wear any designer stuff. The only designer stuff I've ever owned was a pair of 'genuine fake' Prada sandals. They were fantastic and lasted ages - and the only reason I bought them was because they only said Prada on the sole!

OP, do what CliffRichard says. Sound advice.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 12:15:11

My Dad has a fab bag he bought when his travel bag died on holiday. It says Vouis Luitton!!!

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 12:17:12

IceBeing. I expect you wouldn't ever drive on country roads either (far higher fatalities than motorways).

IceBeing Wed 18-Dec-13 12:26:12

Most high street shops have recalled toys at some point or another due to problems in the supply chain in the general vicinity of China.

It simply isn't true that toys meet EU standards in the same way that it isn't true that the meat in value lasagna isn't horse.

The supply chains are so long and confused no fecker has a clue who made what and whether it was painted with something some random person found in a warehouse.

There was a case where the eyes (and only the eyes) of a doll had been painted by a particular bunch of chinese cowboys presumably because they were doing it for essentially nothing. The reason it was so cheap was the paint was stolen and guess what? It wasn't safe. The product was sold under the EU marker with the note some parts made in china.

IceBeing Wed 18-Dec-13 12:27:27

merry I don't actually - though presumably I would if I lived in the countryside....

The thing is one of choice. You can easily choose to buy toys entirely made within the EU where there is much better checking and enforcement of regulation.

You couldn't easily avoid country road driving if you live in the country.


cantheyseeme Wed 18-Dec-13 12:28:56

Do you dress in sacks? How are you accessing MN, presumably a homemade ethical contraption? Not any device made in china or where parts have been made in china surely?!

Gingersstuff Wed 18-Dec-13 12:30:36

I wouldn't get too worked up about it but would not buy fakes myself. We're not into designer labels at all (tho my 13yo DD is saving up for Vans) but I'd like a pair of Uggs so shoot me but can't afford them. I could buy fake but I know that dogs have been skinned alive to make those so wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

BIL & SIL bought DD some fake designer stuff when she was younger.

I never dressed her in it as I wouldn't have put her in the genuine stuff, let alone the rip off version. Just not to my taste at all.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 12:49:00

Icebing, you could move to the middle of London - and then get stabbed instead!


MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 12:50:31

PS. If you spend your whole life avoiding risk (or trying to), you will turn your kids into neurotics.

DirtyDancing - the market in counterfeit goods supports not only terrorism, but organised crime and the drugs trade, apparently. I would not want my children to receive presents that supported these - would you?

mrsjay Wed 18-Dec-13 15:19:15

what SD said really is my stance on counterfeit everybody is entitled to use and wear what they want , just be careful when buying electrical goods GHD fakes are notorious for bursting into flames, I am just wondering though those who would use counterfiet where is your stance on out of the back of a van

LadyRainicorn Wed 18-Dec-13 15:27:52

AmberLeaf many moons ago I used to work in a clothing warehouse and heard much the same - the factory would receive an order for a dozen tops in size 10 and a dozen in size 12 say. They would then make two dozen in size 10 (but half labelled 12) and use the excess material to make some for the snidey market stalls.

I dislike fakes - it's a form of theft, but obviously some people don't see it as theft and justify it to themselves.

There is no doubt that a lot of cheap goods are made unethically, but that doesn't make it okay to buy something fake.

Louis Vuitton, in partnership with local police raided a fake bag factory in China where the children had their legs broken to stop them running away. The only reason there is a market for fake goods is because people are stupid enough to buy them, thinking that it gives them some of the cache of the brand, without the price tag. It just makes them look daft. I have seen fake bags on the internet which claim to be half price - so people are paying hundreds for fake, when they could support those living in poverty abroad by buying something non-fake/fairtrade instead. The "you're supporting poor foreigners" argument is a fallacious one.

Incidentally, charity shops are not legally allowed to sell fakes, though many do. They won't sell fake CDs/videos but will quite happily sell fake clothing, even though they are equally illegal.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 18-Dec-13 15:45:33

I wouldn't buy it due to ethical issues though, eg are fake ugg boots man made or made from the skin of some poor creature etc


Ummm... Ugg boots are made from sheepskin, which is the skin of the sheep. You know the brown suedy bit on the outside? Well Thats the sheep's skin. And that snuggly white fluffy stuff? Well Thats the sheep's hair..

mrsjay Wed 18-Dec-13 15:48:45

Austarlian sheep are not skinned alive to make uggs though

Gossipmonster Wed 18-Dec-13 15:52:53

Miss Sassy trousers? hmm they are £9 in our local shop - am I buying counterfeits without realising?!confused

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 18-Dec-13 15:55:57

Austarlian sheep are not skinned alive to make uggs though

They are subjected to mulesing though ( which admittedly is only a partial skinning)

SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking Wed 18-Dec-13 16:01:14

My stance on "back of the lorry goods" is that if the price is right then yes I will purchase them.

When I was younger shoplifters used to knock on the door with their van of "goods" and see if you wanted anything.

Never heard of Miss Sassy. Are they like the Juicy ones?

I have a fake burberry upstairs. Well, I am sure its fake. Its as ugly as the real things though grin
And yes my parents, friends parents, people in the street bought them. We also bought and used copied DVDs.

mrsjay Wed 18-Dec-13 16:01:54

I dont know what that is itsallgoingtobefine will google I dont really like wearing animal so i would never buy any uggs or a leather jacket

Crowler Wed 18-Dec-13 16:04:35

Why is it OK for Primark to knock of designers but counterfeiting in other forms is wrong?

mrsjay Wed 18-Dec-13 16:06:10

oh I dunno crowler least they are being honest and upfront about copying designs I suppose

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 18-Dec-13 16:14:24

Why is it OK for Primark to knock of designers but counterfeiting in other forms is wrong?

Because it all comes with a Primark label in. Its not being sold as something it's not.

DolomitesDonkey Wed 18-Dec-13 16:17:45

merry funding terrorism in Turkey? Not heard of the PKK then?

ChestnutsroastingintheFireligh Wed 18-Dec-13 16:20:05

What itsallgoingtobefine said. Primark do similar designs but use their own branding & labels.

Counterfeits are pretending to be the original.

AmberLeaf Wed 18-Dec-13 16:34:41

Primark are most certainly not the only high st store to 'knock off' designers.

The whole lot of the high st clothing stores are knocking off designers!

Also calling Primark 'Primarni' isn't because they do knock offs, it was something started years ago by people making a joke of shopping in a cheap store, humorously trying to make it sound high end.

Ive heard of factories here doing that too, have an order for X amount of dresses for Topshop for example, over produce the order and keep back the excess, which would be sold in markets minus the Topshop label.

the market in counterfeit goods supports not only terrorism, but organised crime and the drugs trade, apparently

I have to laugh at the drugs trade bit.

The drugs trade is incredibly lucrative, the drugs trade supports itself. It doesn't need supplementing!

Caitlin17 Wed 18-Dec-13 18:13:46

No idea why Mary marigolds thinks just mentioning the word terrorism is someone being Islamophobic.

If it were me I would destroy these goods immediately and make clear to the donor I would not accept anything like this in the future.

They are the proceeds of crime. At the very best they are defrauding the UK Exchequer of VAT ; at some stage almost certainly laundered money will have been involved; and at the very worst may well be funding terrorism. The question couldn't be clearer. They are unacceptable. I'd actually be insulted at the idea of anyone thinking I would accept them.

Caitlin17 Wed 18-Dec-13 18:19:40

BTW, does anyone who thinks it's OK actually have any experience of dealing with and complying with Anti-Money Laundering / Proceeds of Crime legislation,?

If not, you really don't know what you're talking about.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 19:30:00

Caitlin, because nearly all the knock off hot destinations are in Muslim countries.it's write convenient really.

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 19:30:49

write = quite

MerryMarigold Wed 18-Dec-13 19:32:01

(call me cynical)

3asAbird Wed 18-Dec-13 19:40:23

theres a programme bbc fake britain saw one about little boy killed by ds charger so steer clear electricals.

Lot fake dvds/cds made in uk from bedrooms.

scariest was fake electrical parts ad fake drugs within cheists and nhs hospitals.

Basically in china they fake most things even an egg which was odd. some stuff is made in actual factories hence why looks so good,

Only fake present been given was lion king video as a kids great aunt brought off market stall we neer wathed it as mum was worried it break video player adremember those awful scary piracy trailers with bad looking people at tart of films scared me as a kid.

I do confess brought fake louis vuitton bag and wallet in corfu 10years ago which still use now and people think are real.

greece and majorca had lots fake stuf in touristy shops.

but other stuff not bothered on brand guess for teens with sports wear trainers labels more important im happy with next version converse. uggs i do like but wory buying off ebay would be fake and want ghds but they risky on ebay too.

I thourght most toys re made in china.

IceBeing Fri 20-Dec-13 09:57:42

merry thanks for the offer to stab me if I go to London....that has quite made my day. I will add it to my list of suicide plans...the only way to cope with having made my kid neurotic by buying her European made toys...

Or back in the real world maybe it is totally fine to avoid risks that cost you little or nothing to avoid (buying toy X instead of Y and not buying anything off the back of a van) and keep taking the ones that are a key component of your lifestyle (driving etc.)

AmberLeaf - as Caitlin correctly pointed out, the business of selling fake goods is part of the process of laundering money - including drug money.

I was on a jury in a money laundering case, and the expert witness made this very clear.

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