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to think the window salesman was in the wrong here, and not me?

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parakeet Mon 16-Dec-13 18:44:13

Yet another thread about door-to-door salespeople I'm afraid.

I got a ring on the doorbell while I was in the middle of making the children's tea and went to answer it. The guy said (very politely, to be fair) "Hello, sorry to bother you on this dark and rainy night but I'm from Anglia Home Improvements and..." At this point I interrupted so we didn't waste each others' time further and said (also politely) "I'm sorry but I don't buy at the door."

It was like a switch had been flicked. He spun on his heel and left, shouting (grumpily) over his shoulder "Well put a sign on your door then!"

He made it sound like I was at fault for wasting his time by failing to put a sign up saying No cold callers, etc. I am seriously thinking of trying to buy a sign now, though, so he certainly made his point...

MardyBra Mon 16-Dec-13 18:47:54

Yanbu. As I pointed out on a thread a couple of weeks ago, why should I spoil the look of my lovely front door by putting an fucking ugly sign on. In fact, the one which someone linked to, was sexist and ungrammatical.

Maybe, door-to-door sales should be made illegal.

Or you could have something like the Telephone Preference Service via the internet, listing all the houses who are not happy for cold calls. Then the onus would be on the sellers to check if you are happy to be disturbed.

Squidwardtenticles Mon 16-Dec-13 18:50:13

the worst for this are charity collectors. Zits getting beyond a joke with them.

Squidwardtenticles Mon 16-Dec-13 18:50:39

It's! bloody autocorrect.

Perfectlypurple Mon 16-Dec-13 18:51:54

Get a no cold caller sign from your local police station. It won't cost you anything.

whereisshe Mon 16-Dec-13 18:52:06

YANBU. I sincerely doubt everyone without a sign is happy to chat to him! He was probably having a bad night. No excuse for rudeness but understandable given the weather.

parakeet Mon 16-Dec-13 18:53:43

Hmm, well if it worked as well as the telephone preference service...it wouldn't work very well...

momentofmadness0 Mon 16-Dec-13 18:54:36

YANBU. You don't need to buy a sign though, you can print one off from moneysavingexpert.com

parakeet Mon 16-Dec-13 18:55:27

I do feel sorry for these people, which is why I try to say no in a polite way - unless they ask me if I am the homeowner or something equally cheeky.

nancerama Mon 16-Dec-13 19:03:14

Probably the same cheeky toad that told me that my original Victorian sashes were letting down my property shock

starofbethlehemfishmummy Mon 16-Dec-13 19:20:46

We used to have a sign on the door (have since changed the door) and salesmen would still knock, tell me they had seen the sign and then go on at great length abojt how it didn't apply to them (because they were so wonderful and not actually selling anything)

Dillydollydaydream Mon 16-Dec-13 19:26:26

YANBU at all. We have a sign stating no cold callers. Does nothing unfortunately.
They do always seem to call between 4.30 and 7pm too which in my house with 4 young dcs is not really the best time.

I also keep getting betterware/kleeneeze catalogues through the door, I always put them straight back out but the buggers never return to collect them!

Ifcatshadthumbs Mon 16-Dec-13 19:26:40

For window/conservatory salesmen "oh sorry it's a rented property"

For chuggers and rehabilitated ex prisoners selling exceptionally expensive dish cloths "sorry I'm only the babysitter"

FreeWee Mon 16-Dec-13 19:28:44

Neighbourhood Watch do a no cold callers sign in my area certainly. Makes little difference and my DH won't let me point it out to people as he thinks that would be rude of me...

purplemurple1 Mon 16-Dec-13 19:39:31

Get a loud dog - much more effect than a sign by the sounds of it. We see cold callers but they never make it to the door.

Yanbu

SantasSisterdoesallthepresents Mon 16-Dec-13 19:45:42

For Jehovah's Witnesses, say, "No thanks, I am a Catholic" - apparently they don't try to convert Catholics.

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 16-Dec-13 19:48:23

santas that always worked with my mum

We always used to invite them in for a cup of tea and a chat, haven't had any round for years now hmm

MinesAPintOfTea Mon 16-Dec-13 20:18:34

JWs do try to convert catholics. And blood donators. I eventually shut my door in their faces.

crazykat Mon 16-Dec-13 20:34:59

The signs don't make a difference here. We even get people wanting to come in, take photos of the dcs and enter them in a competition! As if I'm going to let someone who knocks on my door that i don't know not only into my home but to take pictures of my dcs. Apparently its legit and the photos are lovely but not a chance am I agreeing to it.

There's a few times I've been asked if my mum's in, i do look younger than 25 but still. Not sure if its sincere or not but I just say sorry no.

MiaowTheCat Mon 16-Dec-13 20:38:22

I had problems with Anglia being rude as well - and they opened with "I can see you've got a sign on your door sweetheart but..."

DoYouLikeMyBaubles Mon 16-Dec-13 20:59:01

YANBU

But I feel sorry for them because my friend did it and made next to nothing.

I'm Catholic and I donate blood. The JW's came round every monday to try to convert me. I was very clear that I was staying Catholic, but she came round anyway. She was very polite and DS liked babbling at her and showing her his toy record player so I didn't mind tbh.

I hate cold callers though, they are not polite and always come round when your bathing DC's, cooking or at bed time, never at 10.30 in the morning when you're not busy. I pre empt their rudeness now by shutting the door on them, or just not answering it in the first place.

RenterNomad Mon 16-Dec-13 21:11:00

fgrin at Exceptionally Expensive Dishcloths.

Sounds like an M& S ad!

Rufustherednosedreindeer Mon 16-Dec-13 21:40:49

When I had a sign I had a few instances where the door bell would go and there was no one there

I worked out that people rang the bell, caught a glimpse of the sign and bolted before I could have a go at them

mumofboyo Mon 16-Dec-13 21:46:55

If people knock on our door, especially the front door, I don't answer unless they knock again; even then I check the peephole first. Family/friends come to the side door and just come in (or ring if it's locked). I can't be arsed with cold callers trying to sell me crap I don't want or JWs trying to convert me but neither do I like being rude to their faces.

NicknameIncomplete Mon 16-Dec-13 21:50:40

Reading this i am glad that my sign works. I have had it up for about a month or two and havent had one caller. It is just a standard no callers/religious people sign.

I live in a field on a farm.
Nobody ever cold calls us

Bliss

Mellowandfruitful Mon 16-Dec-13 22:15:37

My parents have a sign, and it is regularly ignored.

With JWs, salespeople or whatever, I go for breaking in at the first polite opportunity with 'I'm not interested, thanks'. It's very hard to argue with that. Usually they at least pause, by which time you are halfway to shutting the door.

DropYourSword Mon 16-Dec-13 22:21:20

I've got a dog...she doesn't let anyone make it into the garden. Although I once did have a couple of determined JWs who tried to convert me standing at the gate and bellowing to me in the house!

fuckwittery Mon 16-Dec-13 22:26:13

He was v rude, and I bet that's one of the more polite knock backs he gets! I also use this phrase and have never had rudeness in return.

Whathaveiforgottentoday Mon 16-Dec-13 22:31:21

With the charity ones I just tell them I've already got a direct debit with their charity as I consider it an important charity. They soon leave and skip away happy seeing no point in persuading somebody who is already persuaded. First time I did it, i was genuine (charity close to my heart) but found it so effective, I now use it on all charities. Sometimes we have a lovely chat I come away feeling all virtuous about my altruistic behaviour until I remember I'm actually lying.

Wouldn't work with JW though.

YouAreMyRain Mon 16-Dec-13 22:32:49

Ifcatshadthumbs that's what I do, I always say I'm not the homeowner/it's rented. Stops double glazing/kitchen sellers in their tracks (disclaimer - untested on JWs)

Felix90 Mon 16-Dec-13 22:34:41

Luckily for me I always get asked if my Mum or Dad are home (I'm 23 and live with my partner!) so I always say they are at work and they leave grin

IThoughtThat Mon 16-Dec-13 22:35:55

I put a no cold callers sign up and it's worked a treat. It looks a wee bit ugly but I am happy not to deal with intrusive salesmen etc.

Mishmashofstyles Mon 16-Dec-13 22:44:44

Yes, why do they always come at child bedtime? Grr.

RevoltingPeasant Mon 16-Dec-13 23:52:42

Slight derailing, but tonight some religious cold callers came with a leaflet that said "Can the dead really live again?"

I was on autopilot, glanced down at it as it was offered,and said politely "I'm not interested in the dead, thanks" and went to shut the door. The woman just looked surprised and it was only when I'd shut the door that I realised it was quite a weird thing to say grin

foreverondiet Tue 17-Dec-13 00:18:33

They were rude. I also have a sign. Looks ugly but I was getting too many people coming round.

BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep Tue 17-Dec-13 01:15:34

I live in a flat. the downstairs neighbour shouts fuck off out of the window at charity collectors. nearly as good as a big dog.

SecondStarToTheRight Tue 17-Dec-13 04:01:43

Best way to get rid of JWs is to tell them that your (insert relative here) is a vicar so you are fine thanks. Always said with a smile.

Works everytime

daisychain01 Tue 17-Dec-13 05:25:07

My DH said " thanks for calling by, but I withdraw your implied right of access to our property". They probably thought he was a barrister or something but they seem to avoid our house nowadays!

3bunnies Tue 17-Dec-13 06:02:34

Dh was in a large old house with all original windows etc. Double glazing salesman gave him the hard sell about how much warmer it would be to take them all out and rrplace them, cut in bills etc. After a bit more discussion and debate as the windows were the original Dh agreed and said it all sounded great so the sales man went for the kill at which point dh said that he should send the quote to the Uni as it was his halls of residence and as a lowly undergrad he had no authority to change the windows. Not a happy salesman, but dh thought was v funny! One of his milder student pranks.

lifeissweet Tue 17-Dec-13 06:04:02

What is it with window salespeople?! I had one come round to give me a quote. He kept asking if my husband would be home. I kept saying it's my house, not his - and we're not even married. He carried on saying he'd prefer to talk to both of us. I carried on saying it's none of DP's business and he's not bothered about the windows anyway. DP finally came home, at which point the smarmy man started pitching directly to DP, who kept saying 'it's not my house. This is nothing to do with me.'

In the end, we said no to making a decision there and then and salesman got really, really shirty with us.

When the customer services people called for feedback, I'm afraid to say I gave it both barrels. I had felt like I was living in 1973.

EnianShelZman Tue 17-Dec-13 09:13:09

I usually say "me no English". Works every time.

hackmum Tue 17-Dec-13 09:25:05

I work from home so I get a lot of door-to-door calls (and cold phone calls too). I hate them, but I also feel sorry for people who have to do them - what a crap job, eh? So I do try to be polite but it's irritating as hell.

LisaMed Tue 17-Dec-13 09:30:04

We had JWs call when we were staying at a holiday cottage. DH thought holiday entertainment had been laid on. He got the holiday cottage blacklisted by JWs and they walked off shaking their feet (which is apparently a result).

Never argue with someone who has had excellent telesales and theology training.

MardyBra Tue 17-Dec-13 09:49:30

The thing is, I don't want a fucking sign. I have a nice period front door and a sign would make it look ugly.

I just want people to stop bothering me while I'm busy on MN.

IThoughtThat Tue 17-Dec-13 10:31:27

Mardy. I thought the same. The signs are all ugly but I found the best one I could and it really works. What about putting a sign in your window for a while and trailing it?

IThoughtThat Tue 17-Dec-13 10:32:12

Trial Not trail. blush

nancerama Tue 17-Dec-13 10:35:52

I've told this one before, but my cousin was briefly married to a Jehovah's Witness. When they knocked on my uncle's door, he answered with a cheery "no thank you, we've already got one".

snowed Tue 17-Dec-13 10:42:10

YANBU. He was rude and should have taken no for an answer. Having no sign is neutral, it doesn't mean you'll buy at the door.

SettingPlaster Tue 17-Dec-13 10:43:09

The only time I was really rude to a someone trying to sell me double-glazing was when he ignored a prominent sign on the door that said DONT RING - SLEEPING BABY. My insomniac baby was finally taking a rare nap, I was frantically trying to catch up on work in my study, which looks directly onto the front door. I watched this spotty fucker walk up the path, stop,read the sign and ring anyway. I nearly ripped him a new one. He claimed he hadn't understood the sign...

liquidstate Tue 17-Dec-13 10:44:54

I have a beware of the dog sign in a window, works a treat and was only put there to deter burglars.

I do have a dog but he is 12 and slightly deaf and has never really barked. More likely to lick visitors than attack them grin

uncomfortablydumb Tue 17-Dec-13 10:59:05

I have a sign. No bugger takes any notice. I know they're only trying to do their job, but they always call at the least convenient time. It gives me rage. But being British I stifle it and have to make do with frosty politeness. Which is just not as satisfying.

AlbertGiordinHoHoho Tue 17-Dec-13 11:07:06

<knock knock>

Have any of you heard of Jesus...

cerealqueen Tue 17-Dec-13 11:09:35

YANBU. Even with the signs they come. One had the cheek to tell me he wasn't a salesman, he was giving consumer advice!!!

We once had one give us a quote for some new guttering. We took it and said we'd get back to him when we had other quotes to consider, so he got nasty and said we were fools not to buy there and then and we had to practically throw him out.

I like the idea of just saying 'no english'.

HopAlongOnItsOnlyChristmas Tue 17-Dec-13 11:10:57

I just try the polite 'no thank you' while closing the door. Phone sales people are another breed. If they are polite when I say I'm not interested then I just hang up. If they are belligerent then I just hand the phone to my two year old and tell him that the nice man/woman wants to say hello.

Now the evenings are dark I really resent door-to-door people, because it feels like night time and makes it feel even ruder iyswim?

wonkylegs Tue 17-Dec-13 11:44:49

I got a very angry spiel from a doorstepper because I wasn't interested and poor him having to traipse all the way down the lane and then down our very long dark drive.... It didn't help when I pointed out I didn't ask him to come

Ifcatshadthumbs Tue 17-Dec-13 11:56:28

I think I might just send DH to the door in future. We had chuggers last night at about 8.30pm DH opened the door all wild eyed and hair everywhere and said "I'm eating my dinner!" They scarpered off pretty quickly saying sorry sorry.

D0oinMeCleanin Tue 17-Dec-13 12:04:42

"My Dad's/Husband's/I'm a window fitter, he/I owns/works for <insert name of local small business>

When getting quotes don't tell them that your dad is a window fitter and amuse yourself with the shite they spout to you because your a woman.

YANBU. I answer the door with a snarling dog under my arm (he's quite friendly really, he just hates people knocking on the door), they usually apologise for calling at a bad time and threaten to come back later. They never do.

Sidge Tue 17-Dec-13 12:08:24

Last time I got a cold caller at the door I'd been watching a really sad film, so answered the door all teary-eyed and snotty.

They started their spiel but I just sniffed and said "I'm sorry but this really isn't a good time".

Didn't see them for dust!

snowed Tue 17-Dec-13 12:14:17

You could always say that you are a window fitter, or if you're on the phone say you have no windows grin

HerdyTheRedNosedHerdwick Tue 17-Dec-13 12:24:13

YANBU.
And I have to say, the signs don't seem to work. Had one in my previous house and it was just ignored. Didn't bother with one in this house, I just grit my teeth and deal with them. I do get annoyed by the rude ones though.
The snarling dog under the arm sounds like a good idea.

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