to passionatley hate people writing Xmas?

(73 Posts)
DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 11:45:12

Im not majorly religious but I think that writing Xmas is just lazy and somewhat dissrespetful. To make it worse it doesnt really make sense, Xmas that sounds nothing like Christmas. So AIBU to dislike the fact that people abrevieate it?

bundaberg Tue 10-Dec-13 11:46:30

you can't feel that strongly, you just used it 3 times yourself :P

joydivisionovengloves Tue 10-Dec-13 11:47:17

How is it disrespectful?

bundaberg Tue 10-Dec-13 11:47:54

takes the Christ out of Christmas I suppose?

Grennie Tue 10-Dec-13 11:48:09

YABU it is a very old way of writing Christmas.

"by the fifteenth century Xmas emerged as a widely used symbol for Christmas. In 1436 Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with moveable type. In the early days of printing typesetting was done by hand and was very tedious and expensive. As a result, abbreviations were common. In religious publications, the church began to use the abbreviation C, or simply X, for the word "Christ" to cut down on the cost of the books and pamphlets. From there, the abbreviation moved into general use in newspapers and other publications, and "Xmas" became an accepted way of printing "Christmas" (along with the abbreviations Xian and Xianity). Even Webster’s dictionary acknowledges that the abbreviation Xmas was in common use by the middle of the sixteenth century."

http://www.cresourcei.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html

eurochick Tue 10-Dec-13 11:48:26

How is it disrespectful?

DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 11:48:44

I did indeed grin It just annoys me when I see in in a shop window where they had plenty of space and just put an X, I just dont get it.

WaffilyVersatile Tue 10-Dec-13 11:49:08

Its only disrespectful if you are ignorant of its origin. Google it.

AnnabelleLee Tue 10-Dec-13 11:49:39

Why? It's historically accurate. It's well documented since the 14th century but probably dates back to the 2nd century AD. x was used as a marker for Christ completely independently of Christmas, from the Greek letter chi.

Sowho cares whether you like it or not?

Tweasels Tue 10-Dec-13 11:49:47

No you are not unreasonable for disliking it. Don't know how you would view it as disrespectful if you're not religious though.

It doesn't bother me.

What does bother me is the twats who call it kwissmass. I've seen this twice on FB this week. Ghastly!

TanteRose Tue 10-Dec-13 11:50:05
bundaberg Tue 10-Dec-13 11:50:41

annabelle i didn't know that! learn something new every day smile

DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 11:50:51

Bundaberg has got it, I didnt understand how X and Christ have any relation but now thanks to Grennie I understand it a bit more and hopefully wont be as annoyed but we dont use old difficult type writers anymore.

vladthedisorganised Tue 10-Dec-13 11:50:57

kwissmass? <faints>

Yellowcake Tue 10-Dec-13 11:52:16

I think it's actually a very old 'abbreviation', with X from the Greek Chi Ro symbol which is an ancient monogram for Christ. So it's not secular or disrespectful. Having said that, I personally don't like the look of it in the context of Xmas - I class it with illiteracies such as 'donuts' and 'niteclub'.

Oh, those fourteenth-century typewriters ....

DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 11:54:34

Im educated now grin and kwismass?

BigToesofFrog Tue 10-Dec-13 11:54:50

xmas xmas xmas

I love it! I think in a slightly saddo way it is my own little way of deflating the whole stressful debacle, and kicking back at the idea that christmas is all about christ and at people who take it all so seriously. When to me it is about a midwinter party and celebration for its own sake.

The little x (lower-case is best!) is like a little kiss or sparkly star. <romantic>

Fakebook Tue 10-Dec-13 11:55:11

" but we dont use old difficult type writers anymore"

Exactly.

You might want to spell check your OP and title.

Yellowcake Tue 10-Dec-13 11:56:13

LRD grin

BigToesofFrog Tue 10-Dec-13 11:56:22

(I do realise obviously that the x also stands for Christ. I don't care, I still see it as the less pompous, less in-your-face version.)

AndHarry Tue 10-Dec-13 11:56:31

I don't use it myself and TBH I think people don't generally think 'ah yes, I will use the medieval abbreviation with Greek roots' so YANBU.

KhunZhoop Tue 10-Dec-13 11:57:06

I think not using a spellchecker is disrespectful to all mankind.

Merry Xmas!

Yellowcake Tue 10-Dec-13 11:57:35

OP, there's no excuse for Kwissmass. That's from the kind of people who have a hubby and a bubba, and think everything's gawjuss.

Gigondas Tue 10-Dec-13 11:59:00

Have no issue with Xmas. Don't get me started on crimbo thoughangry.

DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 11:59:20

Sorry Fakebook Im on my ipad so no spellchecker and normally punctuation goes out the window too grin

May be boring, but if you're interested, there's the abbreviation (referring to Christ, not Christmas, sorry!) in old writing here:

www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/ILLUMIN.ASP?Size=mid&IllID=29004

If you look at the speech scroll in the picture, the fourth word is 'xpm' (=Christum). Click to magnify.

Phaush Tue 10-Dec-13 12:00:24

I use it when labelling boxes at work because it's significantly quicker to write and means the same thing.

BigToesofFrog Tue 10-Dec-13 12:01:11

Crimbo
Crimb-ola
Crimbalooloo
Crimble-Bimble

We basically just talk unfathomable nonsense in our house. No word is safe, at this time of year all of the above have been said.

DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 12:02:29

I know the kind of person you mean Yellowcake. Gigondas Im really not a fan of crimbo either!

redshifter Tue 10-Dec-13 12:08:46

I don't think it is disrespectful but it does annoy a little bit. Don't know why.

What does annoy me is when people actually say "Exmas"

AliceinWinterWonderland Tue 10-Dec-13 12:12:14

Personally I much prefer the toddler's way of saying "pissmas" from the Pictures of MNetters Christmas trees thread. fgrin

revivingshower Tue 10-Dec-13 12:15:38

I love it. I like all those abbreviations and funny made up words like crimbo and chillax.
Weirdly though (not to do with christmas here) it annoys me when they start using a word in the workplace for their special meaning like "outcomes" and in the NHS "pathways".

Tweasels Tue 10-Dec-13 12:38:44

grin Pissmas

That is inspired!

The latest Kwissmass post was from a FB friend who I have mentioned before refers to her family as 'hubs and bubs'. In the post 'Bubs' had a Xmas pud costume on and is apparently 'super duper excitimo for Kwissmass. He didn't look that excited, more sort of concerned for the welfare of his mum. grin

sashh Tue 10-Dec-13 12:41:59

X or a picture of a fish are really old symbols meaning 'Christ', but OP you have now been educated will it still annoy you?

badtime Tue 10-Dec-13 12:49:39

Here is a good picture of the Chi, looking somewhat like an X, being used as an initial for Christ (from the 8th/9th Century Book of Kells). I don't think the monks were being disrespectful:

http://www.eccentricbliss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Book_of_Kells_Chi_Rho_Beginning_of_Matthew_copy.jpg

badtime Tue 10-Dec-13 12:50:16

That's so pretty.

DaddyIsHome Tue 10-Dec-13 13:00:51

I think I can now accept Xmas as i have actually been educated as to what it means so thanks guys smile on the other hand i still cant stand crimbo, is there something i should know about that? gringrin

notanotherusername1 Tue 10-Dec-13 13:33:55

I can't stand to see it and would never write it myself either. I am not religious but would always use the word Christmas.

Just realised I have bought a pack of 20 Christmas cards because the picture was beautiful and inside it says 'Happy Holidays'. Did not notice that at the time I bought them. Hate that.

ItsIgginningToLookALotLikeXmas Tue 10-Dec-13 15:31:40

Now wondering how many people my Christmas-name has irritated!

Disrespectful to who? Jesus? I'm an atheist celebrating the secular xmas.

SwedishEdith Tue 10-Dec-13 15:42:10

Well, I never knew that about xmas. That's really useful because I also deliberately use in like BigToes in a "...slightly saddo way it is my own little way of deflating the whole stressful debacle, and kicking back at the idea that christmas is all about christ and at people who take it all so seriously. When to me it is about a midwinter party and celebration for its own sake" But even better to know it's actually fine to do so as well grin

Spaulding Tue 10-Dec-13 15:43:21

YABU. Crimbo is the absolute worst.

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism Tue 10-Dec-13 15:46:33

I write Xmas because I know it annoys people.

I can't bring myself to write chrimbo yet.

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism Tue 10-Dec-13 15:47:17

There's no h in crimbo is there?

Doh

sandfrog Tue 10-Dec-13 16:57:47

YANBU. It's slang, albeit 15th century slang grin

winklewoman Tue 10-Dec-13 17:11:49

I'm not keen on split infinitives, OP, and prefer the traditional way of spelling 'passionately'.

The earliest example I can find is twelfth century. It's slang, but not even fifteenth century slang. grin

daisychain01 Tue 10-Dec-13 22:24:44

Damn! After all these years, I feel cheated now and need to see my psychoanalyst.

I went to a convent school and one year the nuns made us run a school campaign "put the Christ back into Christmas" because they said it was wrong for shops to commercialise Our Lord's birthday. So ever since then I always resisted putting Xmas because I was conned taken in by those pesky nuns, thinking I was committing a moral sin.

Even though Grennie has now educated us and put us straight, I feel guilty about changing the habit of a lifetime and writing Xmas.

Just think of all that ink I could have saved.....<whimper>

daisychain01 Tue 10-Dec-13 22:25:33

Or even a mortal sin grin

SomethingkindaOod Tue 10-Dec-13 22:27:47

I knew the origin and it still sets my teeth on edge! grin
And I think I would have to brain anybody who uses kwissmas with a Christmas tree...

FloozeyLoozey Tue 10-Dec-13 22:34:08

Καλά Χριστούγεννα grin

moondog Tue 10-Dec-13 22:36:04

Similarly people who write 'congrats' for 'congratulations'.
I have to fight the urge to suggest that they can't feel that pleased for recipient of the message if they can't even be arsed to write it in full.
hmm

SpikeyChristmasTree Tue 10-Dec-13 22:40:46

Having had the benefit of a vicar for a primary school headteacher, we all knew that X stood for Christ by the age of 5. He only ever taught the one cover lesson whenever he had to cover, and it was always that one.

I helpfully pass the knowledge on to the teenagers I teach. I call it 'possible pub quiz' questions of the future.

Crimbo is just criminal.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler Tue 10-Dec-13 22:40:53

Ha! I started this same thread last December & was swiftly educated in the origins of the 'X'.

Still hate it though! I can always hear my archdeacon grandfather saying "ah, Xmas, when one celebrates the birth of X".

I'm not a huge fan of lots of abbreviations though, to be fair.

FrillyMummy Tue 10-Dec-13 22:41:32

YANBU. It's in the same boat as words like 'hubby' and 'bubs'. Boake.

usualsuspect Tue 10-Dec-13 22:41:48

I'm lazy.I canlive with that.

usualsuspect Tue 10-Dec-13 22:42:45

It's known as criggy around here.

stickysausages Tue 10-Dec-13 22:45:36

I don't give a toss,I'm lazy. Saves me spelling chrimbo all the time grin

Allalonenow Tue 10-Dec-13 22:49:12

Crimbo and the recent X-mass both horible.

Mia1415 Tue 10-Dec-13 22:49:28

YANBU it really annoys me too! I'm not particularly religious at all, but a school assembly from about 15 years ago about Xmas being disrespectful has completely stuck with me and I can't bare it! I've made colleagues at work change paperwork etc because of it! Which might well of been unreasonable on my part lol

IThoughtThat Tue 10-Dec-13 22:54:05

Phew, that's a relief DaddyIsHome no longer passionately hates me due to me writing XMAS. hmmgrin

OP Y were B very, very, very U, a bit ridiculous and a bit mean. Save the hate for other things.

Hopefully this will make you think before you hate in future. It better that way.

BooBudolphMeowson Tue 10-Dec-13 23:02:03

YANBU!!!!!

It's the worst!!! It's Christmas it's not that hard to spell ffs.

True, true ... for fuck's sake. Or is it fucks' sake?

usualsuspect Tue 10-Dec-13 23:04:46

Who said it was hard to spell?

I write Xmas because I'm a lazy sod,not because I can't spell it!!!!!!!!!!!

usualsuspect Tue 10-Dec-13 23:05:44

For fucks sake isn't that hard to spell,ffs

SwedishEdith Tue 10-Dec-13 23:10:37

I write xmas to annoy people who get annoyed by it. This thread has encouraged me to carry on. I might adopt kwismass as well now.

sandfrog Wed 11-Dec-13 00:00:48

Hw mch efft dos it tk to incld all th letrs in a wd?

If you type Xmas then somewhere out there a baby jesus cries!



There are other advantages, too such as speed. grin

Bedsheets4knickers Wed 11-Dec-13 15:05:10

I hate chrimbo

Mummamoo87 Fri 13-Dec-13 21:31:52

Well.... Here's the thing do you write " before Christ" or "BC" that is all ...........

Where would twitter be without the abbreviation Xmas ? And 'Merry Xmas' was the only thing that fit the small space on my cross-stitch card - it was that or no greeting, or maybe 'Noel'. Can't bring myself to use 'crimbo', and feel that 'Happy Holidays' somehow dilutes the festive feeling - like taking away the mince pies.

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