To refuse to work untill 10pm on xmas eve when above contracted hours because someone else who should doesn't want to

(58 Posts)
b584 Sat 07-Dec-13 17:49:37

I work 16 hours a week contracted, Monday and Friday 1,30 till 10pm, those are my hours, sometimes I'm put on the rota for extra if people are on holiday etc, never been a problem, sometimes I am called in when someone is off sick, If I can do it then I will, If I have plans then I won't.

For the last two years since I've worked there I have had to work my hours over xmas, last year was xmas eve and New years eve till closing which was 8pm, the year before was boxing day and New years day the same, Wasn't a problem, I just did it as it happened to fall on my days,

This year the company has decided to stay open on xmas eve and new years eve until 10pm, Last week my manager told me that we are all expected to work on xmas eve at some point so I told him that I am happy to come in on xmas eve but it has to be middle day shift, He agreed as it is outside of my contracted hours,

Went in Yesterday and was shown the rota for xmas week, I have been put down to work xmas eve from 6pm till 10pm, when I asked why I was told it was because the lady that usually works (is conracted) to work till 10pm on a Tuesday has kicked off because she will not get to see her 2 grandchildren who live in her house with their parents put to bed on xmas eve.

She is starting work 4 hours earlier so she can finish at 6 when I am supposed to start, I have told them I will not do it as I have arrangments myself for xmas eve but they are mightly pissed off with me.


Nope. They pissed you about and have created their own mess. Their problem, not yours.

BruthasTortoise Sat 07-Dec-13 17:52:10

YANBU. At all.

Ubik1 Sat 07-Dec-13 17:53:34

You are not unreasonable at all

harriet247 Sat 07-Dec-13 17:55:18

Personally I wouldnt have kicked off,id have just done it. At least you get the main body of xmas eve and just really missing tea time/bed time. Id sa yab a little bit u sorry

Rosa Sat 07-Dec-13 17:56:35

Yanbu at all. You agree to do more but as you say its not on one of your contracted days.

DontmindifIdo Sat 07-Dec-13 17:56:53

YANBU - she's contracted to do it, they will have to make her do it. You aren't contracted to work that Tuesday but are going in above your contract and are prepared to do a day shift, check your contract, but unless Christmas eve is not mentioned specifically, they can't make you work on Christmas Eve if it doesn't fall on your working day, point that out and that you are doing them a favour, you can do a day shift or none at all, you will accept none at all.

Squidwardtenticles Sat 07-Dec-13 17:57:30

What kind of job do you do?

The bloody management should do it <gits>

Iamsparklyknickers Sat 07-Dec-13 17:58:58

Nope. It is very much not your problem.

I would go as far as to say if she was that bothered it's up to her to find someone to swap with. Your manager was a fool to just change it without talking to you first.

Rumplestiltskinismyname Sat 07-Dec-13 18:00:50

Yanbu- but... And it shouldn't really matter... But do you have kids at home? If not, I'd probably suck it up and do it. If you have kids at home no way- you are doing them a favour by working on that day.

Iamsparklyknickers Sat 07-Dec-13 18:01:05

Oh say what Don'tmind said!

Pancakeflipper Sat 07-Dec-13 18:01:47

YANBU - they should have asked you seeing as she's messing with her hours.
Though expect frosty atmosphere at work and glares every Christmas from colleague.

HicDraconis Sat 07-Dec-13 18:03:40

YANBU at all! They're asking you to work over and above your contracted hours and have changed the agreed shift based on someone else kicking off.

Point out that you've worked your hours without complaining when Xmas Eve fell on your contracted day (& I'll bet ComplainingGrandparent didn't have to come in then!) and as this is not what you agreed, you have plans and are unable to help out. You've offered the middle of the day shift which is the most you can do, sorry. Those contracted to work Xmas Eve will have to work it.

And that's coming from someone who worked every Xmas and New Year for 10 years - the only year I had off was ML as I had a December baby. When the holidays fall on "your" work days, you put up / shut up or quit and find work somewhere that closes for 2 weeks over Xmas.

emsyj Sat 07-Dec-13 18:04:19

YANBU. There will always be someone who doesn't want to do their share over Xmas/new year. It's not your job to solve the problem, your boss should take a stand and make sure it's fair for everyone every year.

Iamsparklyknickers Sat 07-Dec-13 18:04:31

Well her colleagues 'kids' are adults with their own children.

Imho, that's a bit pathetic. It's her shift - her problem.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sat 07-Dec-13 18:05:07

Their problem. Not yours. They should have asked you.

I would just turn up for the shift you agreed to do and leave at 6 like agreed.

redshifter Sat 07-Dec-13 18:06:42


I have had similar at work before.

They try and please anyone who kicks up a fuss because it is less hassle for them so then take advantage of people who put up with it without moaning. They think you will back down while they know the other person will continue to kick up a fuss.

It could be difficult if you are contracted to work till 10pm but they shouldn't treat you differently than someone else that also is.

Just calmly stick to your guns. There is no reason why her arrangements should take precedence over yours.

livinginawinterwonderland Sat 07-Dec-13 18:07:12

YANBU at all.

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Sat 07-Dec-13 18:07:15

YANBU. She should work what she is contracted to work, and any change to that should have been a request (as in the boss could ask for a volunteer to swap - not just decided to move your hours).

b584 Sat 07-Dec-13 18:07:58

My kids are not little anymore so I do not have the whole thing of putting them to bed on xmas eve thing but I have a life of my own and have plans to go out on xmas eve, My bf picks me up on my late days so as this didn't fall on one of my late shift we had made plans,

Me working till 10 means we cannot do what we intended as if he doesn't pick me up then it's a £20 cab fare on xmas eve, the shift will only earn me about £40 as its only time and a half after 6pm,

I would be a bit more understaning if it was her own kids but it's her grandchildren, the parents live with her and she will be there xmas day when they wake up.

FunkyBoldRibena Sat 07-Dec-13 18:08:17

'I might have considered it if you had asked me, but I would have had to shift stuff round. You didn't even ask, just presumed so why would I shift stuff if you can't even respect me by asking first? The answer is 'no'. Go and get the person whose actual job it is to do their actual job'.

SkinnybitchWannabe Sat 07-Dec-13 18:09:58

Dont back down. Management should have told the other person thats their shift and thats what they should do.
I have never changed my contracted hours over the Christmas period (unless the stores closing times differ to my hours- I work evenings) in 22 years.

Rumplestiltskinismyname Sat 07-Dec-13 18:12:02

In that case- definitely don't do it. Not for £20!!

b584 Sat 07-Dec-13 18:13:13

I work for a food chain who has not been doing too we recently, ( not the food side of it but other stuff)

I am not doing it but I don't want bad feeling at work as tbh I do enjoy my job just don't think it's far that I am put in this situation.

needaholidaynow Sat 07-Dec-13 18:19:56

Tell them its a NO and there's nothing they can do about it!

livinginawinterwonderland Sat 07-Dec-13 18:22:27

They'll get over it.

I had this at my job for a while (I work in a supermarket). They have a habit of just putting you down for shifts if they need cover. When I first started, I went in whenever I was on the rota, regardless if it was my contract or whether I needed to cancel plans.

Now, I stand up for myself and I won't work outside my contract unless it's convenient to me. They need to be decent enough to ask if you can work overtime and need to expect people to say "no" occasionally.

drivingmisslazy Sat 07-Dec-13 18:25:30

If its who I think it is, they surely can not put you in for a shift that is outside the details of your availability. for YANBU but if you have specified in your availability that you can do these hours (but normally don't) I do not think there is anything you can do.

CoffeeTea103 Sat 07-Dec-13 18:27:01

Yanbu, that lady's problem should not be yours. Tough for them they need to make other arrangements.

Iamsparklyknickers Sat 07-Dec-13 18:28:52

Well to my mind £20 cab fare when doing hours on top of your own would put the nail firmly in the coffin along with you doing your bit in previous years.

If that's the line the managers sticking to I would be happy to escalate up to HR about having to work at all. I bet the 'everyone does a bit' isn't a company policy but the managers way of trying to be fair.

I wouldn't give a shit about the colleague having a tantrum, she's doing it not giving a monkeys about anyone else's plans - selfish mare.

drivingmisslazy Sat 07-Dec-13 18:31:03

As its above your contracted hours then you have every right to refuse.

YANBU - different if you hadn't already had an agreement with your manager and made plans around that.

They are being cheeky to be annoyed, rather gormless of them to agree to let someone to swap so she could see her grandchildren going to bed - not really up there with great reasons why someone can't work a late shift.

It's also a bit sad that they have chosen to open until 10pm on Christmas Eve. Do they honestly think there is going to be a great rash of people descending at 9.45pm going OMG I haven't bought a turkey yet ! Great way of annoying your staff and probably not drumming up much in the way of extra business.

Why are you getting the attitude and not the woman whose shift it is? At the very very least if you did decide to do it, someone would be paying the cab fare, be it the company or preferably the woman who's farted you about.

*someone should be paying the cab fare

LoosingBattle Sat 07-Dec-13 18:40:32

Co-Op? I used to be a manager with them and they are talking shite. With right 4 us system no one needs to work outside their available hours. Ever. Even for Xmas. glad I jumped ship

b584 Sat 07-Dec-13 18:41:29

I sometimes wonder if I am to commendating ( not sure if that's a real word) that they see me as a sure thing, Last year I fell over and broke my wrist, was told that on 16 hour contract I wasn't entitled to ssp so went back after 2 weeks and worked for 4 weeks with a cast on yet other lady who is kicking off about xmas broke her ankle in the summer and was paid for 3 months although on same 16 hour contract also and she stated a good 8 months after me,

My manager is always asking me when I am gonna be the next supervisor or when I will contract for more hours as I do givemy all at work ,sometimes much more than I should just feels like a kick in the teeth over this.

ilovesooty Sat 07-Dec-13 18:43:55

I'm glad you say you're not doing it. She should work the hours she's contracted to work.

Darkesteyes Sat 07-Dec-13 18:44:34

Yep Thats right Rumpelstitskin As someone hasnt got living proof that they have had sex without contraception of course its perfectly ok for the manager to do this fhmm

RealAleandOpenFires Sat 07-Dec-13 19:01:31

Ask for triple pay for those hours & a couple of paid days off aswell.

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 19:11:42

I think you mean accommodating, OP smile

Either way YADNBU

I'm sorry you are feeling upset about this OP.

It might be worth pulling your manager aside and telling her that you are upset about the vibes you are getting and that last year you worked Christmas eve and new years eve because they were your contracted shifts. This year - due to the conversation you had with her around your availability, you made arrangements for the evening, and you do not appreciate being made to feel guilty about this.

Won't make much of a difference, but hopefully will stop them letting this woman take the mick. Wanting to see gc go to sleep on Christmas Eve, honestly, it sounds more feeble the more I think about it.

grumpyoldbat Sat 07-Dec-13 19:27:11

YANBU, if it was your normal shift I'd be telling you to suck it up so that's what this other woman should do. I don't think they can force you to work shifts outside your contracted hours just ask if you can do it.

grumpyoldbat Sat 07-Dec-13 19:29:38

Meant to add rookie I can well imagine some people running in at 945. There are many highly disorganised people out there and they usually blame others for it too.

specialsubject Sat 07-Dec-13 19:35:17

the kids go to bed every night. I've never heard such a bloody stupid reason for hours to be changed in my life. And the fuckwit management should have told her where to go.

LaGuardia Sat 07-Dec-13 20:48:51

Let management cover the shift.

Junebugjr Sat 07-Dec-13 20:54:59

I wouldn't back down otherwise you'll have to deal with this shit all the time.
Once this sort of management identify someone who'll put up and shut up they'll keep dumping.
Stick to your guns regardless of the grief.

AntlersInAllOfMyDecorating Sat 07-Dec-13 21:21:42

Absolutely NBU, why should other's people plans take precedence just because there are children involved? Every one must take their turn, and deal with what they have been given.

Mia4 Sat 07-Dec-13 21:47:58

YADNU, you've done without question before, it's not even your contracted day OP. Colleague needs to suck it up and do her bit too, why should you have to work because she whines and strops?

HerlockSholmes Sat 07-Dec-13 22:47:15

YANBU, i have worked till 10pm on christmas eve the past six years and boxing day as well. it's fair enough if everybody is taking a turn, but to me she should only have been allowed the earlier shift if someone else had agreed to do the late one for her- otherwise suck it up.

i don't think it's fair to favour someone because they want to see the children; people who are not parents and grandparents celebrate christmas too.

Inkspellme Sat 07-Dec-13 22:56:47

YANBU. You've offered to come in on unscheduled hours and they've abused it.

I've got to say this attitude of if someone has kids they should get beneficial hours around christmas annoys me. Why is their christmas more important? I know this is this persons grandchildren but I am referring to a previous post and a general attitude that is I have frequently encountered.

I say this as someone who has children.

FluffyJumper Sat 07-Dec-13 23:15:41

Basically they think you can be bullied into it and she can't, even though it's her contracted hours not yours. It's not your fault that they don't have the management capability to deal with difficult employes. Maybe her manager needs some assertiveness training.

FluffyJumper Sat 07-Dec-13 23:16:55

I have a small child and I too find it really irritating that some people think that entitles them to preferential treatment around christmas.

nennypops Sun 08-Dec-13 00:22:24

Why are they opening so late anyway? Is there really enough business late on Christmas Eve to justify it?

sashh Sun 08-Dec-13 04:47:02

Stick to your guns, YANBU.

But make a plan for when she phones in sick and they ask you to stay.

BigBirthdayGloom Sun 08-Dec-13 07:45:04

This kind of thing really winds me up. I used to live a long way from work and my colleagues were lovely and used to say I should leave early/first which was very kind but I'd made the choice to work there and live where I did. Why should they accommodate that?
My sister will never have kids. She's very giving to her colleagues with them, but at the end of the day, she's forged a life with things she wants to do and I don't see why she should always work Christmas Day so they can be off. Luckily her bosses are fair. Yours should be too.

comingintomyown Sun 08-Dec-13 08:12:06

YANBU say you are prepared to do the middle shift as a favour but not the later one and don't give it a second thought

IME managers will always choose the path of least resistance to cover shifts , don't him get away with it !

Musicaltheatremum Sun 08-Dec-13 15:03:35

Knowing children they will still be awake with excitement at midnight while exhausted parents try to get the presents out so she will see them anyway.
Don't do it OP I think Rookie's idea is a good one.

PigletJohn Sun 08-Dec-13 15:23:51

the whole point of agreeing with you in advance what you were prepared to do, was so it could be, ummmm, agreed.

If some twat decides to write something else on the rota, they are a twat for publishing something that was not agreed. Their problem, not yours. Don't own it.

I love the saying "Yes, I can see you've got a problem there. What do you plan to do about this problem of yours?"

wizzler Thu 12-Dec-13 17:02:40

Did you stand your ground OP? What happened?

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