AIBU to be incredibly disappointed and think you all lied to me?

(140 Posts)

I did a maintenance wash on my washing machine yesterday.

There were not mountains of bubbles. There were no bubbles.

I blame all of you for my disappointment.

valiumredhead Sat 07-Dec-13 14:36:31

Give it a while and it'll start stinking as all the gunk got dislodgedgrin

How does one do a maintenance wash?

I ran it empty on 95, Annie.

How long awhile? I've already done more laundry in it since I ran the maintenance one!

NorbertDentressangle Sat 07-Dec-13 14:39:26

I did one on my dishwasher once.

Added some bleach to an empty machine, switched it on and believe me there were bubbles shock.

95? Mine won't go hotter than 60.

<comes back after checking>

Oh, yes, apparently it does, but it has never come up as the start temp on any of the cycles I use.

I suspect I don't need a maintenance wash anyway cos we use soap nuts and vinegar, so there's nothing to do the gunking. In fact, I rather rely on the vinegar to keep the innards of my machine sparkly clean.

soaccidentprone Sat 07-Dec-13 15:00:14

Annie, I use soap nuts and vinegar too, but usually add a couple of drops of lavender oil or similar too so that the house smells nice when they are drying smile

Probably not, Annie, as the point is to get the gunky soapy stuff out.

But we do use a water softener thing, so maybe that also prevents gunking.

I am still very disappointed, however.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sat 07-Dec-13 15:04:11

Well, I feel lied to by Calgon!

They have a long list of brand names on their box, who apparently recommend them.

We got a new washing machine, a Bosch, and it specifically said in the booklet that there was no need for anything that removes limescale.

So who is lying - Calgon or Bosch???


I flipped a coin. Not really.

DurhamDurham Sat 07-Dec-13 15:21:50

Maintenance wash? I have never done this, I'm 43 and had 3 washing machines since I moved out of my parents at 18.

Should I start now to prevent imminent destruction of my washing machine? grin

BoohPear Sat 07-Dec-13 15:25:37

My washing machine instruction booklet advises you to do a maintenance wash every 40 washes. There's a special combination of buttons you have to press to set it going. <taps finger on side of nose knowingly>

Yes, Durham. Do it forthwidth!

Booh do you keep a diary. "Today is wash 32."?

My machine might have a combination that does it but I'll never know as it's some weird brand my cheap landlord installed.

I should be grateful it washes clothes.

DurhamDurham Sat 07-Dec-13 15:29:52

Well now I know I'm supposed to do it I am panicking about the fact that I have never done. ( neither has dh, as far as I know)

Will do it now, to think if I had done it all along I might still be using washing machine number 2.....

BoohPear Sat 07-Dec-13 15:30:19

Nah, my plan is to do it once a month... But I think we've had it nearly two now and I've not done one yet. blush

lljkk Sat 07-Dec-13 15:39:05

DH got knickers in a twist about must-have a maintenance wash recently; no impact whatsoever on anything but our Lekki bill (in theory)! We use soda crystals, so shouldn't have much gunk.

SugarHut Sat 07-Dec-13 16:42:39

What the hell? I'm supposed to run an empty wash on the hottest cycle about once a month? Is this common knowledge? Never heard of this....

Lj8893 Sat 07-Dec-13 17:30:35

I didn't know this either!!!

So I need to run it on empty on the hottest cycle?

YoniMatopoeia Sat 07-Dec-13 17:34:13

I do one once every 3 months or so (slattern)

YoniMatopoeia Sat 07-Dec-13 17:34:51

Though I did pull the drawer out today and scrub it

fluffyraggies Sat 07-Dec-13 17:35:03

Is this empty of clothes and detergent?


BMW6 Sat 07-Dec-13 17:38:20

I use soda crystals in every wash as live in v hard water area. Never use Calgon.

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 17:41:07

Soap, nuts and vinegar? confused

I've never done a maintenance wash on my washing machine and I've had it at least 8/9 years.

Karbea Sat 07-Dec-13 17:55:03

Apart from running it at 90 do you add anything apart from nuts and bolts?

Jux Sat 07-Dec-13 18:00:02

The man who fixed our old washing machine 6 years ago said that limescale removing tablets did more harm than good. We've not used them since. The machine was nearly 20 years old when he came and it was still working when my brother bought us a new one a month ago.

lilyaldrin Sat 07-Dec-13 18:01:52

I got told to do this by a washing machine engineer - apparently it is not just soap gunk but fatty deposits that have leeched out of your skin that gunk up the pipes shock

juliandickgeorgeandann Sat 07-Dec-13 18:03:12

With you deja.......nuts? vinegar? lavendar? maintenance wash? ...... Every so often things crop up on MN that I have been completely oblivious to for my whole life and I say "Huh?" confused. This is one of those occasions.

Mishmashofstyles Sat 07-Dec-13 18:05:32

I do maintenance washes but I know not of nuts or crystals.

Me too juliandick... I'm baffled. Some answers please mn:

1 - wtf are soap nuts?
2 - I need to stick an empty washing machine on at 90 and watch it bubble?
3 - monthly?

I do a maintence wash every two months with soda crytals

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 18:09:30

juliandick yep, me too grin

FamousFive by any chance?

Oh, did they mean soap nuts? I thought it was soap and nuts blush

What are soap nuts?

juliandickgeorgeandann Sat 07-Dec-13 18:11:17

Somebody tell us what soap nuts are! Can other types of nuts be used? Can Sarsons malt vinegar be used?

juliandickgeorgeandann Sat 07-Dec-13 18:12:05


juliandickgeorgeandann Sat 07-Dec-13 18:13:16

Yep Deja, Aunt Fanny would surely know what soap nuts are

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 18:17:43

I've just remembered when I was little my nan, I think it was, used soap flakes. Are these anything like soap nuts?

Whatever they are they've got to be better than the vision I had of bars of soap, nuts (any type) and vinegar going round and round in the washing machine grin

Vinegar I assume is white vinegar which seems to be used in a variety of ways. I've heard of it been recommended for cleaning windows and for use if a cat has an accident on the carpet.

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 18:19:13

I'm sure she would.

Sorry, OP, I'm hijacking, didn't mean to.

cranberryorange Sat 07-Dec-13 18:22:26

What nuts and what vinegar and where do you put them? confused

iwouldgoouttonight Sat 07-Dec-13 18:23:14

I'm not going to fall for this putting your appliance on the hottest setting to clean it nonsense. I tried it with my oven the other week, made the mistake of reading in the manual that it will 'self clean' if you put some water in the bottom and put it on the hottest setting for ten minutes.

The oven was still filthy afterwards, the element blew, all the electricity went off in the house and it cost £90 to fix.

Not risking that with my washing machine!

Nanny0gg Sat 07-Dec-13 18:23:40

Definitely white vinegar (not non-brewed condiment. This isn't a fish-and-chip shop).

Monthly is ridiculous even in a very hard water area like mine. I do it once every 6 months.

And I assume you are all clearing your filters out regularly too?


AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Sat 07-Dec-13 18:25:29

Soap nuts are a sort of nutty thing that produce soap when you put them in hot water -- you can put a few of them in a bag in with your laundry instead of using detergent.

Vinegar is dilute acetic acid.

Soap nuts. Talk to me.

juliandickgeorgeandann Sat 07-Dec-13 18:27:01

Thanks NannyO. What are the nuts used for?

FastWindow Sat 07-Dec-13 18:30:37

Goodness, I clean the drawer (worst design ever) but I've never done a maintenance wash. My machine is at least eight years old as it was part of the f&f when I bought the house.

I don't even know where the filter is.

ProphetOfDoom Sat 07-Dec-13 18:33:01

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

gaggiagirl Sat 07-Dec-13 18:34:45

you can buy soap nuts in Lakeland. They look like big hazelnuts. They are 100% natural and excellent for anyone with skin complaints. You can buy them off eBay too.

juliandickgeorgeandann Sat 07-Dec-13 18:35:15

My filter is probably thick with fatty deposits by now I'm too scared to look. Why didn't my mother tell me about nuts and vinegar? They need to teach this in schools

ProphetOfDoom Sat 07-Dec-13 18:36:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Loopytiles Sat 07-Dec-13 18:37:06

What new wifework horror is this?

Nanny0gg Sat 07-Dec-13 18:38:08

The filter (if you have one) is at the bottom, sometimes behind a cover.
Make sure you put something underneath to catch the water that comes out when you unscrew it, or you'll be cleaning the floor as well...

Loopytiles Sat 07-Dec-13 18:38:44

Ex P (engineer) would say there is no such thing as a "washing machine engineer" and get cross!

oldgrandmama Sat 07-Dec-13 18:41:43

I put the wrong sort of washing powder in my washing machine once ... my kitchen looked like one of those Ibizia nightclubs where the 18-30 lot go to drink, dance and have sex in knee-high foam. I didn't do the dance and sex stuff in my kitchen, but I did wade through the suds to get the winebox out of the 'fridge and have a few stiff drinks, before I started to clear up.

By the way, was OP referring to a clothes washing machine or a dish washer?

OHforDUCKSchristmascake Sat 07-Dec-13 18:43:08

Im a huge soap nuts and lavander fan.

I never added vinegar because I didnt want my house to smell like a fish and chip shop.

Mmmmmm, fish and chips.....

digerd Sat 07-Dec-13 18:43:33

I don't have a filter, what is it? A 95 degree wash will cost a fortune in electricity.
Mine was bought in 1998, is a condensing one, but the dryer doesn't work anymore. The fabric softener drawer becomes so gungy and black-yuck.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Sat 07-Dec-13 18:44:07

SchmaltzingMatilda, soap nuts are made when a daddy Sapindus and a mummy Sapindus love each other very much and have a special cuddle.

mintberry Sat 07-Dec-13 18:44:22

When we moved into our (rented) house, there was all mouldy gunk inside the detergent tray going back into the pipes, so I splashed a load of bleach in there and sent it round at 90. Does anyone know if this is harmful? I made sure I sent it round on a rinse with to clear the bleach out of the system after, it seemed to help.

SandStorm Sat 07-Dec-13 18:46:16

I once found one of DH's socks in my filter. Lordy knows how it got there.

oldgrandmama Sat 07-Dec-13 18:55:37

Filter? My washing machine has a FILTER? [short pause, while oldgrandmama goes to have a look]. Oh. So it does.
I've got the mouldy gunk in the bit where the soap dispenser goes ... I asked washing machine engineer about it last time he came and he said NO-ONE KNOWS what causes it. Really?

I use Brillo pads to scrape away as much of the stuff as I can.

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 18:57:04

soap nuts are made when a daddy Sapindus and a mummy Sapindus love each other very much and have a special cuddle.


Ooh, I remember, my old washing machine used to have a filter because socks kept getting stuck in it. No idea about this one though.

BettyMacdonald Sat 07-Dec-13 19:05:31

Where and when do you add the lavender?

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine Sat 07-Dec-13 19:15:55

You can generally take the soap dispenser drawer out entirely if you jiggle it a bit. (I assumed everyone knew this, but then I assumed everyone knew that the machine had a filter grin)

Nanny0gg Sat 07-Dec-13 19:22:53

Me too AnAdventureInCakeAndWine

I recommend the Good Housekeeping topic over there ->

Lots of these kind of handy hints grin

DejaVuAllOverAgain Sat 07-Dec-13 19:26:21

I can take mine out (the soap dispenser drawer that is wink) but I'm always afraid I'm going to break it.

<Takes note of the fact that mn have a Good Housekeeping topic>

PiratePanda Sat 07-Dec-13 19:26:56

You need to do it because all the biological and eco-friendly washing products we use these days enable living gunk to grow in the machine (shudder).

Meerkatwhiskers Sat 07-Dec-13 19:29:11

I've never done a maintenance wash either. It's my landlords washing machine and is a cheap brand that no one has ever heard of. It's 4 years old and even though I leave the door open for it to dry out after each wash (unless I'm on a washing frenzy) the rubber round the inside is all mouldy and manky.

It on at the moment but I will try a maintenance wash when it's done.

Meerkatwhiskers Sat 07-Dec-13 19:31:29

I'm also going to investigate the filter <wonders if that's where her favourite fob watch that mysteriously went missing is>

These are soapnuts (and I always buy mine from this site - tried some off eBay once and they were shit).

I use a big bottle of Sarsens white vinegar.

Occasionally DH gets creative and puts lavander oil in I haven't bothered since we stopped washing nappies.

Though we do put Vanish powder in our white wash.

Did you know you can clean the soap drawer in the dishwasher?

monicalewinski Sat 07-Dec-13 19:50:27

Wow - who knew?!

I've just read the soapnuts link Annie, so I know I should put nuts in a bag in the main drum and lavender oil in the softener bit, but where does the vinegar go?

Also, with the vanish for a white load - where do you put that?

lljkk Sat 07-Dec-13 20:23:57

Soap nuts did nothing for us.
No mould on any bit of our machine. Bit of rust. It's 9.5 yrs old & lives in an unheated room.

Annie I just ordered a sample of those soap nuts never seen them before thankyou

Nottalotta Sat 07-Dec-13 21:51:15

Mouldy draws?? Yack.

Where is the filter??

My goodness, what have I started?!?!

Thanks Annie for giving the soap nuts link. I was fhmm no one had googled them!

I take my drawer out all the time. It has a handy little thing that says 'push' to release it.

I am still disappointed by the lack of bubbles in my maintenance wash.

HearMyRoar Sat 07-Dec-13 21:57:18

I just ordered a sample too. I am rather excited about it, and so is dp...really he is grin

Beehatch Sat 07-Dec-13 22:07:10

If you want bubbles put a little washing up liquid in your maintenance wash. Emphasis on the little unless you want the aforementioned eighties disco foam night effect.

When I do a maintenance wash you can actually see the crud washing around through the door, so it is deffo doing something.

Oh, and if you get a manky powder drawer you can put it in the dishwasher periodically.

4yoniD Sat 07-Dec-13 22:21:28

Some washing machines will automatically detect they are empty it isn't a full load and will only do a short wash (hence a few machines have special "cleaning" washes, which will override this). If you have any old pale towels you can add them to your maintenance wash for the extra weight, so you get a full wash. Might get more bubbles then?

ThreeGoMad Sat 07-Dec-13 22:25:18

My cousin once put washing up liquid in the dishwasher and opened it to find it full of foam. She lived with her landlord and was terrified she'd piss him off, so scooped the foam into two bin bags and left them by the bins. Not sure she believed me when I told her they'd be empty apart from a dribble of water when the bins got collected grin

larlemucker Sat 07-Dec-13 22:32:41

DSs socks keep going missing, maybe I should look in the washing machine filter!

Bettercallsaul1 Sat 07-Dec-13 22:44:37

Is this a new soap opera?

EmmaFreudsGivingMeJip Sat 07-Dec-13 22:45:48

I love doing a maintenance wash. I stick it on 90 and pour white vinegar into the detergent bit, sit down with a cup of tea and feel virtuous. If I feel it deserves an extra treat I put Dr Beckmann machine wash in there too.

We use finish cleaner in the dishwasher - I want to do the white vinegar thing with it but DH seems to think all the pipes and innards will just dissolve away. Silly little man. I might just do it one day.

FionasFatFairy Sat 07-Dec-13 23:02:10

DH likes to put all the tea towels into the washing machine, with some bleach at 90 degrees, to clear the gunge. As already mentioned we dishwasher the drawer from the washing machine.

Bettercallsaul1 Sat 07-Dec-13 23:27:10

This is a spoof thread, isn't it? No-one's really this interested in their washing machine?!!

LittleBabyPigsus Sat 07-Dec-13 23:34:59

OK, delurking - and I can't believe a washing machine thread is what made me delurk! I actually only use vinegar to wash my clothes and it's a total revelation, my clothes have never been softer and come out perfectly clean, even quite badly stained stuff. I just slosh in some vinegar in the drum, probably a few tablespoons for a whole load. Lots of people use it instead of fabric softener since that's not great for the machine and vinegar is very good at softening clothes. There is no vinegar smell once the clothes are dry. I use the very cheapest 35p for 500-ish ml brown vinegar from Asda or Sainsburys, but all the major supermarkets do cheap vinegar - malt vinegar is fine, doesn't stain the clothes at all. Fruit and veg stalls are selling white vinegar for pickling in gallon bottles too at this time of year, just make sure it's not spiced vinegar!

I used a washing capsule today (first time in ages) as I'd ran out of vinegar, and couldn't really tell a difference. I did add a bit of bicarb with the capsule since it was a heavily stained emergency wash. Some people use washing soda (different to bicarb), but I've never tried that myself.

There are lots of threads on the Money Saving Expert forums about washing with vinegar/soap nuts/soda/homemade laundry liquid/other cheap methods which will probably tell you more.

Finney2 Sat 07-Dec-13 23:41:35

I have just done my first ever maintenance wash but used malt vinegar confused

Now I just really fancy fish, chips and mushy peas.

EBearhug Sat 07-Dec-13 23:47:19

I do a maintenance wash regularly once in a while when I actually remember, because the bloke who used to sort out my mother's washing machine recommended it. I also wash out the powder tray.

I use white Sarson's vinegar, which I get from the supermarket - it's about 35p for a massive jar, I think (can't remember when I last got any.)

I love a good washing machine thread. <sighs happily>

LittleBabyPigsus Sat 07-Dec-13 23:55:11

Finney malt vinegar is fine to use in the washing machine and once it's dry, there's no smell.

(I always thought a maintenance wash was just normal??)

Loopytiles Sun 08-Dec-13 00:02:50

grin threegomad

shock at the sex life of soap nuts.

Annie, is it not somehow wronging the universe to use vanish powder with soap nuts? Kind of like curdling baileys and lemonade? nasty chemicals spoiling the soap nuts' saturday night.

KenAdams Sun 08-Dec-13 00:03:10

I have questions:

1) do soap nuts go in a bag or just in the drum?
2) are you absolutely sure clothes won't smell do vinegar afterwards?
3) if I do this maintenance thingy, do I have to clean the drum afterwards somehow if there's gunk in it, or does it go to some mysterious place?
4) I want to order a soap it sample off that site but I don't know if its legit.

KenAdams Sun 08-Dec-13 00:11:03

Oh, and can I use something else instead of lavender?

LittleBabyPigsus Sun 08-Dec-13 00:11:40

KenAdams my clothes never ever smell of vinegar once they're dry. The smell evaporates off. I mean, de-scaling a kettle with vinegar is just normal and the smell goes from that once it's dry. I also don't clean the drum after a maintenance wash, because the wash cleans the drum confused Do you mean the filter? I've never bothered to clean that out myself.

I haven't used soap nuts before though so can't help with that.

LittleBabyPigsus Sun 08-Dec-13 00:12:40

Oh and absolutely, you can use any essential oil you like, it's just there for the scent and doesn't do anything to wash the clothes. I don't use any essential oil, I just like the clean clothes smell.

KenAdams Sun 08-Dec-13 00:32:29

Someone up thread mentioned that they had gunk all around the door which made me think that it all comes up into the drum?

I use a dryer, I take it the vinegar smell will go using that then?

Every now and then I get panicky that I haven't cleaned out my washing machine filter.

So I spend ages battling to open it, flooding the floor and bashing my fingers in the process.

There is never anything in there.

K8Middleton Sun 08-Dec-13 00:46:09

Yes you must take your drawers off and soak them to avoid the gunky deposits <ahem> and my plumber used white vinegar to flush out my pipes the other day <channels Benny Hill>

I found a washable breast pad in my filter once. Goodness knows how it got there confused

BillyBanter Sun 08-Dec-13 00:49:45

I've had mine for 14 years and never done a maintenance wash. I'm going to have ALL THE BUBBLES. The kitchen will be full of them.

Bettercallsaul1 Sun 08-Dec-13 00:56:43

I, too, have never done a maintenance wash, but somehow cannot work up any enthusiasm for one.

oldgrandmama Sun 08-Dec-13 00:59:23

Here in Islington we are a bit posh ... would balsamic vinegar in the 'maintenance wash' do an even better job????

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 08-Dec-13 01:01:30

I don't know why I'm liking this thread but I am

EduCated Sun 08-Dec-13 01:15:05

Marking my place to remind me to do this tomorrow. Though I should probably actually wash some clothes first [slattern]

BuzzardBird Sun 08-Dec-13 01:17:20

I just found a squirrel in my filter! shock...he must have been after the soap nuts? hmm grin

Bettercallsaul1 Sun 08-Dec-13 01:23:41

I'm gad we are finally getting some sensible and practical comments on this airy-fairy (no pun intended) thread!

Bettercallsaul1 Sun 08-Dec-13 01:24:04


LittleBabyPigsus Sun 08-Dec-13 01:37:56

KenAdams I also use a dryer and there's no vinegar smell left. Sometimes I find the washing machine drum has a very very faint vinegar smell left but if I leave the door open so it dries properly, it goes.

BillyBanter Sun 08-Dec-13 01:47:04

Yeah, about this filter thing. Am I meant to be clearing that out? I've not located one.

monicalewinski Sun 08-Dec-13 01:53:09

Lots of tip top info here about how to do a maintenance wash, along with handy links about how to use detergents properly/get rid of mould & smells etc.

I have insomnia tonight and this is what my life has reduced to fsad

OhMerGerd Sun 08-Dec-13 04:22:22

Well well well... Just goes to show you really do learn something new every day!
First up maintenance wash....and fatty deposits that leech out of dead skin in your flimsies .... But best of all soap nuts..... Soap nuts!!!
Thankyou .

Soap nuts go in a bag (I use a tiny string bag that came with a free sample of some washing powder tablets, ha ha!!).

Vinegar goes in the fabric softener tray.

Vanish (which probably does ruin all my lentil-weaver credentials but my whites go grey without it) goes in the detergent tray.

There is never any vinegar smell.

I did once wash a rug in my washing machine which I had previously spot-cleaned with washing-up liquid and water. The bubbles down my hallway were something to behold!!

We also use a mix of dilute white vinegar, tea tree oil and washing-up liquid in a spray bottle as a surface cleaner (polishes eco-lentil-weaving halo).

Itstartshere Sun 08-Dec-13 12:35:21

Going to do a maintenance wash later! Quite excited now. wink

I also use vinegar in my machine (and dishwasher), gets everything clean and no trace of a smell at all. I also clean my house with vinegar - just fill a spray bottle with half vinegar, half water, few drops of tea tree oil (not necessary though) and use to clean. The smell of vinegar vanishes very quickly, it's cheap and much better for the environment. And supposed to kill just as much bacteria as bleach. Saves a lot of money.

I like using soap nuts but I've found that they sometimes stain my whites, am I doing something wrong? confused

riskit4abiskit Sun 08-Dec-13 13:12:56

Is the filter on front or side please, do I need to pull it out?

ShinyBauble Sun 08-Dec-13 15:34:12

place marking.

kitbit Sun 08-Dec-13 15:40:24

WHAT ??????


I can't get the drawer out on mine (crap design).
Where do you put the vinegar?

I'm standing by the larder ready to liad the washing machine with whatever baking ingredients are deemed necessary.


digerd Sun 08-Dec-13 15:54:47

The black gunk under the rubber rim of the drum is inaccessible to cleaning. I tried once and gave up, it was YUCK.
I do not have a filter door at the bottom of my machine <thank goodness>

SugarHut Sun 08-Dec-13 15:56:09

Totally buying some white wine vinegar tomorrow and doing a maintenance wash!! How exciting!!

<<memo to self, must get out more>>

monicalewinski Sun 08-Dec-13 16:20:18

Have just commenced my very first maintenance wash. I am on tenterhooks!!

Bleached my tray bit too - I am beyond excited!

Meerkatwhiskers Sun 08-Dec-13 17:03:06

Well I cleaned my fliter, I smelt rank and all that was in there was a black 20p and some soapy gunk.

I also did a maintenance wash which I did wrong according to that link as I did a cycle with a prewash (I don't normally use a prewash cycle but thought it would provide maximum benefit for maintenance purposes). My machine only goes up to 80 degrees so whacked it on that and the bastard took 3 hours. However it doesn't smell anymore (was really musty and horrible although clothes smelt fine and of my washing liquid/softener combo).

However, I think the machine protested about it as I've jus finished a proper load and opened the door and it hadn't drained properly so my kitchen turned into Lake Geneva! angry Popped it on another spin and drain cycle and haven't dared open the door again hmm

Meerkatwhiskers Sun 08-Dec-13 17:03:33


digerd Sun 08-Dec-13 17:21:29

I leave the door ajar to let it air after washing.

FastWindow Sun 08-Dec-13 17:53:43

Cheers nanny that's magic grin

LittleBabyPigsus Sun 08-Dec-13 17:59:09

Kitbit you can just put the vinegar in the drum.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 09-Dec-13 03:31:08


Don't polish your Eco halo to quickly,vanish is just a very slightly concentrated version of biological washing powder sold at a grossly inflated price,

You would be better off not bothering with the soap nuts for your whites and just using a bio powder from a Eco and cost perspective.

LittleBabyPigsus Mon 09-Dec-13 03:54:25

Yes don't quite get the Vanish thing. Maybe try a tablespoon of cheapo bio powder (supermarket economy brand is perfectly fine) plus vinegar? Using less bio powder is still pretty eco-friendly, you really don't need as much as the packaging says.

Or you can make your own powder with soap flakes, borax substitute (get this from Savers or from Amazon/ebay) and washing soda.

Lj8893 Mon 09-Dec-13 05:35:24

I've just purchased some soap nuts thanks to this thread, and being up at 5am doing a night feed. I'm excited to try them out!

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 09-Dec-13 21:57:15

I'm actually ashamed to admit I know this and in RL if anybody asked I would deny it but,

Cheap washing powder is often only a version of a premium brand but from a year or so ago, when a premium brand upgrades (for that read piss arses about without need) its product it then sells the recipe or what ever its called on into the own brand market.

Apparently they used to just make the own brand stuff

(Disclaimer it was a very drunk supermarket buyer who told me this)

My drawer is in the dishwasher as we speak...

LittleBabyPigsus Mon 09-Dec-13 22:27:14

Cheap washing powder is fine - Aldi and Lidl own brands are great. You do need much less than the packaging says.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 09-Dec-13 22:37:03

I was actually agreeing with you that cheap detergent is fine,

However I will disagree about using less than it says as its a ineffective cost saving exorcise using less (this only applies to powder not liquid liquid is a huge mistake full stop ) means it does not help out our machine as much this can lead to the machine getting poorly and needing replacement

TallalittletownofBethlehem Tue 10-Dec-13 00:05:28

Vinegar descales kettles shock

+misses point of thread entirely+

But, say, if one hated the smell of lavender what essential oil would you use instead? If tea tree, would it make the clothes tingly?


monicalewinski Tue 10-Dec-13 00:11:44

Vinegar descales kettles?????????

I have missed that post Talla.

What do I do? Vinegar and water and boil the kettle?

Nessalina Tue 10-Dec-13 00:22:00

I feel compelled to confess that I use Bold 2 in 1 liquid.

<runs away to hide in shame>

TallalittletownofBethlehem Tue 10-Dec-13 00:31:43

I don't knooooow.

I thought lime scale was just something you put up with in the bottom of your tea. Unless you were posh and used leaves, and a teapot and one of those tiny little colander type affairs.

I have been grievously mislead.

<<fills kettle with vinegar, boils it>>

monicalewinski Tue 10-Dec-13 00:37:14

I never had to descale my kettle when we lived in Scotland and the scaly English water has deflowered my gorgeous kettle (I really love my kettle).

I shall pop some vinegar in and boil it tomorrow morning and see if it works!

My maintenance wash worked a treat by the way, lovely clean machine.

monicalewinski Tue 10-Dec-13 00:42:19
LittleBabyPigsus Tue 10-Dec-13 06:41:02

Washing powder packaging says you need FAR more than you actually need. It's so you run out and have to buy more!

I am a bit boggled that people never realised you can descale with vinegar! You could also use lemon juice. Smells a bit nicer!

Talla use whatever essential oil you like! Cheapest place to get them are the DIY beauty/hippy sellers on ebay. Maybe a citrus oil, or lemongrass? Geranium is nice if you like floral scents. You can also use more than one, lemon and lavender or orange and geranium are nice combos.

diddl Tue 10-Dec-13 07:36:54

What's wrong with liquid?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 10-Dec-13 08:35:51


They don't but its understandable why lots of people think that.

The liquid thing is because its not currently possible for a liquid detergent to contain the bleaching agents and additives that keep your machine clean and working so long term they contribute towards mold and machine deposits and stuff that means your machine does not work effectively.

I was told that liquid was better than powder as powder is what causes all the gunk so since getting a new machine I've been using liquid [good price at costco] smile but now I am not so sure!?
Also, I did a maintenance wash on my dear old machine and think I killed it, the stink afterwards was like a dead animal and there was water over the floor not so much a domestic goddess as I thought hmm
And soap nuts, who'd have thunk it eh?

diddl Tue 10-Dec-13 10:03:01

You'd think that liquid would get washed through the machine when it rinses, wouldn't you?

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 10-Dec-13 11:31:50

Most of it does but the bacteria and dirt and mold will not completely unless you have the agents that are included in biological powder so it sticks to parts of the machine this is much worse if the bit that surrounds your drum is plastic (so most modern machines).

Because these agents are not in any liquid on the market (apparently customers don't like to vigorously shake every time they use and that's why there not) that's why liquid can cause problems unless you add a product containing enzymes and bleaching agents so it makes it a bit of a waste using it,unless you alternate between liquid and powder.

Nessalina Tue 10-Dec-13 12:25:54

Having a domestic goddess day, so going to try this maintenance wash thing! grin If I don't have any vinegar or anything, should I just wash it empty on its hottest wash?

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