really irritated by this comment and to think if your happy to eat meat you have to accept someone killed it!!!!

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We're farmers, we raise and send for meat cows and lambs. We also raise and slaughter for our personal use pigs, chickens and rabbits. All our animals are very well cared for, free range and killed humanely. Dh will also shoot pheasant and pigeon for food.
Friend has told me she no longer wants to be friends with me as she disagrees with our way of life. She disagrees with shooting and raising pets (I presume our rabbits) for food. Seems to have launched a facebook campaign against shooting, which isaimed at farmers in general.
I'm most confused. She eats meat, happily buys it from supermarket where I can guarantee most of it will not have enjoyed the lifestyle ours have. I think the shooting is one of her main problems, is this so different from slaughter, surely its better than an animal being caged all its life only to end up in tesco. I genuinely don't get it? We don't kill for sport, we have huge respect forall our animals and the enviroment. We live virtually completely self sufficiently. What are we doingthat is so wrong?

TEEARDIS Sat 23-Nov-13 10:32:17

You're doing nothing wrong. Your friend is an idiot.

You might want to enquire if she's a vegetarian now and if not how she is planning eating meat the no one has killed.

ZenNudist Sat 23-Nov-13 10:32:49

Nothing. Your ex-f sounds like a hypocritical loon. Avoid her and post some stuff on her wall about inhumane treatment of animals slaughtered for supermarket meat.

Fwiw I'd love to afford farm reared meat humanely reared and slaughtered. Tastes much better generally.

GaryTheTankEngine Sat 23-Nov-13 10:33:09

She sounds like she hasn't thought this through properly tbh. grin

I am on your side - I like to know where my meat and eggs come from, and know they have a happy life. As for the shooting, it's a pretty painless way to go after a life of relative pheasant freedom in my opinion.

Pennyacrossthehall Sat 23-Nov-13 10:33:33

You are definitely not doing anything wrong.

People are both extremely squeamish and have been taught to anthropomorphise animals- which leads to the nonsensical contradictory behaviour you are describing: they'll eat meat in neatly packaged ready meals, but can't relate that to the death of an animal.

Purple2012 Sat 23-Nov-13 10:33:43

You are not doing anything wrong. I think your friend sounds awful. I was a vegetarian for 25 years, recently started eating chicken for a healthier diet but I would never have dropped a friend because of that. Each to their own.

Beastofburden Sat 23-Nov-13 10:35:31

Your friend is behaving like a baby and pretending that meat grows painlessly on trees. she probably buys cheap clothes made with child labour as well.

You on the other hand are taking mature responsibility for the meat that you eat. We only buy from butchers who get their meat from people like you.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 23-Nov-13 10:35:46

your friend isnt really a friend. You live your life and let her live hers. I know who I would rather have as a friend, and it isnt the supermarket lady. wink

Your friend is, quite frankly, an idiot. I am ex military and often get shock looks when I speak about killing chickens/rabbits whilst on survival training. We were taught how to do it humanely, what's the problem. If I hadnt been doing that I'd have been eating an animal slaughtered by someone else, and probably in less salubrious circumstances. Where do people think meat comes fromhmm

wherethewildthingis Sat 23-Nov-13 10:36:40

I am a veggie and I agree with you! I have no issue with the type of meat you produce, it's the bloodless, shrink wrapped, supermarket stuff that bothers me. It allows people who eat it to live in denial that what they are eating was alive, and often treated very badly. YANBU.

Beastofburden Sat 23-Nov-13 10:36:57

Zen, we manage the cost of humane meat by eating it less often. We all (as a country) eat far too much meat anyway smile

neunundneunzigluftballons Sat 23-Nov-13 10:37:12

What are you doing that is so wrong.......... In her eyes or in mine? In mine nothing but she obviously has some strong opinions that you cannot live by. I think she is very heavy handed but unlike the majority Mumsnet I think it is fine to have the courage of your convictions and to make judgements on that basis. You have to move on without her if she refuses to see your perspective but again IMO you are doing nothing wrong.

Your friend sounds like an ignorant twat, you're doing nothing wrong & are well rid of her.

tracypenisbeaker Sat 23-Nov-13 10:37:28

She sounds like an immature, fickle arsehole.

On a different note, your life sounds idyllic and I'm jealous.

mrscog Sat 23-Nov-13 10:37:29

Your friend is being a hypocrite, if she'd also become vegetarian then even though I think she was being a bit extreme it might be understandable but if she's still eating supermarket meat then no!

Preciousbane Sat 23-Nov-13 10:37:34

Your mate is as daft as a brush, I will happily be your mate and come round for free range dinner.

Some people disengage their brains when buying meat in a supermarket because it bears no resemblance to an animal.

I remember telling SIL we had rabbit for dinner you would have thought I had said I had eaten a human baby. She is not a vegetarian.

I think your ex mate is showing ridiculous hypocrisy over this.

I'm not in favour of Facebook feuds but you must post calling her a hypocrite

Your way is clearly better than the average slaughterhouse providing you are a good shot

My dh is veggie and he thinks your mate is a hypocritical twat

qazxc Sat 23-Nov-13 10:41:32

YANBU I come from a country/hunting background and whilst i'm uncomfortable with "sport" hunting (eg safari type hunting), hunting for food is perfectly acceptable IMO.

Dawndonnaagain Sat 23-Nov-13 10:43:56

Your friend sounds like a ten year old with their fingers in their eyes yelling "I'm not listening!".
You're doing nothing wrong, and my veggie ds also says your friend is a hypocrite!

PS. Stick me on the guest list too, please!

Neunund - I've no problem if people stand by convictions, I do have issues with those who openly criticise me but their actions contradict all that they say. She'll eat meat, most the time having no idea how it's reared but criticises usfor raising and killing animals.
I've no issue with people who disagree with this and would happily debate it etc, but would expect them to stand by their views by being vegetarian or offering another alternative. We as a nation are so detached from where our food comes from!

MintyChops Sat 23-Nov-13 10:46:33

She is being very very silly and hypocritical. Bon appetit and you are better off without her a friend.

KrabbyPatty Sat 23-Nov-13 10:47:26

Your friend is a complete idiot.

Manchesterhistorygirl Sat 23-Nov-13 10:47:27

Your friend is a bloody idiot.

readysteady Sat 23-Nov-13 10:49:46

What an idiot, her loss not yours I personally totally have no problem with you for raising and eating your own animals. I would happily be mates with you despite the fact I am a life long 2nd generation vegetarian. It's people that go oh I don't think about it when it's wrapped in cling film that get me! I would respect you more and praise you for your high welfare standards. Silly mare

IHadADreamThatWasNotAllADream Sat 23-Nov-13 10:55:39

The appropriate response is "what a coincidence! I was just about to defriend you because you're a twat". Having vegetarian principles is fine, but this is just bollocks.

AllDirections Sat 23-Nov-13 10:56:45

YANBU

Wait till this thread has maximised and then post a link to it on your friend's FB campaign page.

Madlizzy Sat 23-Nov-13 10:57:52

does she think that there are shrink wrapped meat trees? she's an idiot.

Retroformica Sat 23-Nov-13 10:58:28

FB her 'so you are choosing to eat mass produced animals who are farmed in intensive poor conditions with a poor quality of life who are then slaughtered before being sold cheaply in supermarkets above animals raised free range, with nice comfortable stress free life, who are also killed quickly.

Retroformica Sat 23-Nov-13 11:05:09

She'd be better placed to make a stand against the vile stressed quality of life most supermarket animals have.

Or turn vegetarian and make a complete stand.

I suspect she is either very barmy or actually just has personal issues with you.

I'm a veggie because I don't like the idea of killing something living to feed me. I would not be able to kill an animal, so I don't eat them.

I have no problem with people who humanely raise and kill animals for their own food.
I don't agree with sport hunting, I don't agree with factory farming. I do agree with ethical and sustainable living.

bababababoom Sat 23-Nov-13 11:05:23

Very stupid. I'm vegetarian and so are my children, but this friend is being ridiculous.

unlucky83 Sat 23-Nov-13 11:07:14

Your 'friend' is an idiot. I think a simple 'hypocrite' comment on her Facebook campaign is in order and then ignore...
I'm not a vegetarian - my grandparents had a small farm. The dairy cows had names. Basically we patted the cute little calves (eg Alison's calf) and the next time we had beef (not often cos we had chickens too so ate them mainly) we knew that's what we were eating.
My sister is a vegetarian though. We disagree because I think you can't be a vegetarian and not vegan. If you eat dairy you are responsible for the death of the male dairy calves anyway...
My DP (brought up in a city) will only buy meat in a packet - can't bear thinking about where it comes from. And he eats more meat than I do - he thinks a meal without meat isn't a 'proper' meal!

IsSpringSprangedYet Sat 23-Nov-13 11:11:01

It's a shame she can't channel her energy into campaining how mass produced meat is reared and slaughtered, and encourage people to buy fresh as locally as possible. And do some actual research instead of deciding she just doesn't agree with you.

Bonkers. You've done nothing wrong. Agree to posting a link on the fb page.

IsSpringSprangedYet Sat 23-Nov-13 11:12:40

x post retro

Fairylea Sat 23-Nov-13 11:15:10

Op I am an ex vegan and I agree with you.

Your friend is an ignorant idiot.

LovesBeingHereAgain Sat 23-Nov-13 11:20:12

Sounds like she's done you a favour tbh

volestair Sat 23-Nov-13 11:24:12

I remember seeing some awful "visit the tribe" programme, years ago, where the British woman asked the people she was staying with if they ate their pets.

They were horrified and very unimpressed that she would consider eating pets! I think it's normal and human to have "special" animals (whether individuals or whole species) that one wouldn't consider eating (except in extremis). But it's also normal and human to raise animals for meat, and if your friend can't see the difference, she's an idiot.

I understand that people who keep pet dogs, pigs, cats, horses, guinea pigs, rats, or rabbits, sometimes categorise the whole species mentally as "pet", and therefore would struggle to raise them for food and kill them themselves, but it shouldn't be hard to accept that other people will raise them for meat.

sleeplessbunny Sat 23-Nov-13 11:26:31

well if she is that stupid and hypocritical then you are almost certainly better off without her as a "friend"

pianodoodle Sat 23-Nov-13 11:27:23

Does she think her Sunday roast died of natural causes then?

Better off without her she sounds ridiculous!

harticus Sat 23-Nov-13 11:34:35

Dh will also shoot pheasant and pigeon for food

Does he only shoot on your land?
Do you rear them yourself specifically for slaughter?

Every year all of the pigeon, deer, rabbit, hare, partridge, pheasant and squirrel in the area disappear to almost zero as they are hunted by the locals. Pisses us off no end.

Wildlife belongs to us all and I give nobody my permission to kill a wild animal or bird just to shove down their fat gut or sell to the local butcher to make a few quid.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 23-Nov-13 11:36:02

Your friend is an idiot. And can I come round for dinner? grin

Foxred10 Sat 23-Nov-13 11:37:25

Harticus where on earth do you live?! blush

Rufus44 Sat 23-Nov-13 11:39:32

She is being an idiot, no loss of a friend if you ask me

holycowwhatnow Sat 23-Nov-13 11:39:53

Your friend is bonkers. I don't eat meat, haven't for more than 25 years, but if I could be guaranteed that the pork I was about to eat came from a free range pig who had a humane end, I'd eat it in a heartbeat. Her viewpoint is utterly hypocritical and ignorant.

(Although I could never, ever eat a rabbit because they're so darn cute)

Harticus - just on our land. Pheasants are allowed to breed in our woodsand pigeons Iis also about culling them as they certainly are not suffering in numbers here.
Sorry you have that issue, I do think farmers have a responsibility to balance all their activities with the local wildlife and environment they occupy. Part of that is a respect of our natural resources and allowing them to replenish.

harticus Sat 23-Nov-13 11:43:31

If more people like you Yellow then we wouldn't have such an issue - unfortunately round here every twat with a shotgun comes rattling out of the pub and blasts at random.

I am particularly pissed off at the moment that someone is killing our squirrels for commercial gain. Cunts.

LEMisafucker Sat 23-Nov-13 11:43:35

Well at least she has shown her true colours as a fucking idiot - she is probably jealous of your lifestyle. I'm heartened to read about how you raise your animals, this is how it should be. You should be proud of what you do. If i am very honest i don't think when it came to it, i could eat a pet animal, i would have to keep it separate but if i had grown up in that way then i probably would.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 23-Nov-13 11:45:58

Have you actually asked her where she thinks the meat in the supermarket comes from and how she thinks it is killed? Does she think there's a magic meat growing tree or something?

I'm very used to people raising their eye brows at the rabbits, it does make some people squeamish.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 23-Nov-13 11:52:01

My DH loves rabbit, can he come for tea too?

Nancery Sat 23-Nov-13 11:53:10

YellowCanary, I wish everyone who produced meat had your ethics. I wholeheartedly agree with them.
Your friend is an arse

good on you OP for doing what you do. I would choose free range meat with a humane end every time- tastes so much better. unfortunately circumstances dont always allow for that but we try our best. your mate is an utter hypocrite with clearly no idea what she is talking about!! you can add me on your dinner list!

I'm a vegetarian.

Your friend is an idiot.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome Sat 23-Nov-13 11:58:46

I'm thawing out the front end of a muntjac for tomorrow's dinner. Pest control, gastronomy and not giving Sainsburys any money: win all round.

You can tell your friend from me she's a complete spoon in thrall to factory farming.

randomAXEofkindness Sat 23-Nov-13 12:02:15

Your friend - the meat eater who doesn't agree with killing animals hmm - is very strange.

I was vegetarian for a decade and I agree with you. If I were your friend I would be incredibly grateful to be able to buy my meat directly from a friend whose animals I can see are well cared for and killed quickly. I'd go so far as to say that you would make a gem of a friend to any conscientious meat eater [shamelessly sucking up]. Where do you live... grin

Spottybra Sat 23-Nov-13 12:03:28

You shouldn't eat meat unless you are prepared to accept its been caught and killed, and are able to do it yourself.

But I was raised by two parents who had grandparents that owned farms and had spent most of their childhood holidays on said farms.

Yellow if they are red squirrels it is illegal to kill them as they are a protected species. Grey Squirrels however are considered to be a non native species and a pest therefore people are encouraged to cull them.

Sorry

harticus sorry not yellow!

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Sat 23-Nov-13 12:10:13

OP I will be your friend, I wish I was able to live as ethically as that! Your ex-friend is an eejit of the highest order, much like those that are up in arms about the Ugg thing (whilst sitting on leather sofas etc etc.)

Factory farming and inhumane practices are the problem, not the self-sufficient way you do things x

Ticktock80 Sat 23-Nov-13 12:12:40

So you eat ethically reared meat and your friend eats mass produced non ethical meat, by comparison? Yanbu. Where do you live and will you be our friend? wink grin

Floggingmolly Sat 23-Nov-13 12:18:27

She's ever so slightly confused, isn't she? Tell her you don't want to be friends with a jellyhead like her... and block her from Faceache

Mitchell2 Sat 23-Nov-13 12:26:12

Your friend is a bit confused or just plain ignorant. My parents are farmers and do the same as you, and i personally think that's the best way of doing things.

Also, really why would she bother making such a statement to you when this is clearly your way of life, and you are making a more educated conscious choice than some people and it's not like just because she has now decided to be evangelical about something you are going to say 'ah I've seen the light please let us stay friends'?!

drbonnieblossman Sat 23-Nov-13 12:30:46

Your friend is a buffoon.

MonkeysInTheFog Sat 23-Nov-13 12:32:28

So there's space in your life for another friend then.......?

Can I apply? I'm quite nice really and promise to make appreciative noises whilst gobbling down all the meat you see fit to send my way!

Thanks all, yep there is a friend opening, spplications welcome. wink

Friend does have habit of jumping on popular culture band wagons, not always based on best information. She's sort of person who reads one newspaper article and then is an expert in that subject. I have invited her to go through the whole animal to food cycle with us if she wants to understand it better.

Bubbles1066 Sat 23-Nov-13 13:01:38

Unless she is a vegan she has no leg to stand on. Ignore her. As a veggie myself I think what you do is infinitely better than factory farmed meat. However, I would ask that you consider the lentil lifestyle but that's just me!

Mefisto Sat 23-Nov-13 13:06:50

Your friend is very dim. Does she have a new special little friend she is hoping to impress with her not-at-all irrational or hypocritical stance? hmm

RandomMess Sat 23-Nov-13 13:07:34

Perhaps you need to focus on the transportation of live animals prior to slaughter for supermarkets!

ButThereAgain Sat 23-Nov-13 13:16:01

yellowcanary, I think people like you who raise animals kindly and kill them humanely are far closer than your friend is to the moral values that she is pursuing in such a clumsy way. I'm sure that you have a loving respect for them, founded on knowledge not on ignorance. By your free range farming you are probably doing much more for animal welfare than her campaigning ever could.

freelancegirl Sat 23-Nov-13 13:23:48

Yanbu, as long as you're not one of those annoying meat fans who feel the need to metaphorically shove meat down the throats of those of us who don't eat it. There's something about stopping eating meat that people who love meat seem to get very rankled by. I have friends who constantly bring up my non meat eating status every bloody time we are out, it's more of an issue to them than to me! And I've encountered farmers who do very similar. I'm sure that's not you, just wanted to add how annoying it is.

Randommess I totally agree with you and we've been very vocal about this issue. 80% of our stock is sold locally and I can walk in to a range of butchers and know what's ours but 20% goes to market, after which we have no say or control over what happens next. We'd rather 100% stayed local but currently the market isn't strong enough and we need to make a living. The worst part is majority of british reared meat goes abroad and the majority of what we eat here is from abroad, it's absolute madness!

foslady Sat 23-Nov-13 13:32:26

Your 'friend' is not only an idiot, but doing the cause she is supporting more harm than good. Unless she is happy to forgo meat and other animal based foods and decline to wear leather then she should think twice about what she writes. I doubt that she has done any real research into the thing she is spouting off about, and if she cba to do that. very much doubt that she can ba to change her life style to suit her new 'views'.

But I guess she is quicker with a keyboard than her brain.

(Yes I'm a meat eater who has leather items, but I don't wear fur as I don't eat mink/fox etc. I did read up years ago, and came to my own conclusions. And thank British Farmers who support good animal welfare))

I'm a vegetarian and I'd rather be your friend than hers. She sounds like a hypocrite

herladyship Sat 23-Nov-13 13:39:13

Your ex-friend is a loon, but sadly I've come across quite a few people with a similarly bizarre stance and double standards.. maybe they think their meat grows on trees?

PS) DH is a veggie, one of our best friends is a farmer who loves shooting & apart from the fact that he regularly tells DH that all vegetarians should be shot & eaten, we get along fine! grin

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Damnautocorrect Sat 23-Nov-13 14:07:05

Your friend is a knobhead.
Perhaps she should do some proper research into her meat sources before she starts forming an opinion.

This is something I feel quite passionately about, I only buy british and buy as locally as I can. I'd sooner eat less of a higher quality. Chicken breasts are a prime example just look at the cheap imported ones, texture colour even smell.
So all in all I'm loving your work!

DrCoconut Sat 23-Nov-13 16:18:41

I am uncomfortable with hunting when it is not necessary to survive, however that doesn't mean that no one else has the right to do as they wish. I'm also vegetarian but I don't think I have the right to force it on others. DH and DS1 are meat eaters and that's up to them. So she is NBU to object to your lifestyle but YANBU to live it. She is BU to kick off about it like that. Live and let live is best.

garlictrivia Sat 23-Nov-13 16:31:35

Your friend's a numpty. I once worked with a 28-year-old graduate, who'd never associated the meat she ate with the pretty landscape animals she saw grazing in the countryside. She promptly became a vegetarian grin

People like her don't even realise the animals are only there for food use. They think fields & livestock arise naturally - if they ever think at all, which sometimes seems doubtful!

YoDiggity Sat 23-Nov-13 16:35:53

Your friend is a grad A idiot and a hypocrite. You should waste no more time on her.

yourcruisedirector Sat 23-Nov-13 16:39:43

YANBU OP. I'm vegetarian and have been for a long time, but if everyone was able to live as sustainably as you (obviously land is an issue, never mind skills), I'd feel a lot less unsettled by meat. I only eat eggs from MIL's well-kept hens and grow as much food as I can manage, and forage a bit. I would like to be vegan and do eat vegan part of the time but on balance our family consumes less animal product if we eat vege - I'll never persuade DH to live vegan!

But back to the original query - your friend is a mindless berk grin

VerySmallSqueak Sat 23-Nov-13 16:43:17

Your friend is a hypocrite.

I loathe hunting as sport when the animal pursued is inedible,or if it is edible yet not put in the pot, and left to waste.
Unfortunately I know that there are times the shoot just throws away pheasants they have killed.This I have a problem with.

We have raised and eaten our own chickens.They had a good free range life first - a very free range life with loads of freedom.

A friend used to bring us the things he had shot.We duly prepared and ate them.

There is a huge disconnection over where meat comes from.

A few more people should learn to skin a few bunnies,and pluck and gut a chicken imo,if they want to eat meat.

Perhaps Tescos should only sell live chickens? It's a thought!

RaRa1988 Sat 23-Nov-13 16:46:12

I'm a strict vegetarian and have been nearly all my life. I don't like the idea of killing anything for meat - BUT I think that anyone who eats meat should be able (emotionally more than anything else) to kill it themselves. I don't like this idea of buying it shrink-wrapped and tidy and having no idea where it came from. I think if you're going to eat meat, you have a responsibility to ensure it had a good life and was killed in a humane manner. What you're doing sounds perfect to me smile. I couldn't do it myself, but I couldn't kill anything and, being vegetarian, I have no need to - but I'm glad you can because I think more meat should be 'produced' in this way.

Spider7 Sat 23-Nov-13 16:50:35

Your friend is an idiot. Don't sress over losing her as a friend.

magnumicelolly Sat 23-Nov-13 17:28:38

I'm vegetarian. She's an idiot. Sounds like you're doing the animals you eat a favour, rather than buying from supermarkets, bet they've had a much better life with you.

BrickorCleat Sat 23-Nov-13 17:41:12

You sound absolutely lovely and sensible! I will hs

BrickorCleat Sat 23-Nov-13 17:42:35

Eh? Happily fill the gap left by the ignorant berk who wants to eat plastic covered hormone filled shite.

You should be dropping her not the other way round.

What a silly moo.

EXTERMINATEpeppa Sat 23-Nov-13 17:42:51

your 'friend' sounds a bit dim.

EllaFitzgerald Sat 23-Nov-13 17:52:51

What a very strange attitude for her to have, I think she's done you a favour not wanting to be friends with you anymore.

I have to say, I'm not sure I'd be able be to kill an animal to eat it, and I certainly don't agree with the idea that you should be able to do this if you're going to eat meat, but I'm very grateful that there are people like you about, who are able to produce meat in an ethical way. I'd much rather buy our meat from a business like yours than a supermarket. We don't even have a butcher in our town anymore.

RaRa1988 Sat 23-Nov-13 18:47:08

Mebbies drop your friend some information about intensive farming and abbatoirs (or however you spell it!) - perhaps then she'd see you aren't the cruel one!

TEEARDIS S. Korea has "live shrimp" and other nice things to try, and she can kill them by chewing on them

I read Temple Grandin's book and she mentioned how inhumane some slaughterhouses can be.

Plomino Sat 23-Nov-13 19:14:56

I'd rather eat meat or game that I knew where it had come from , knew what life it had led and what it had eaten , and knew how it had died , rather than the shrink wrapped mystery tour of some of our supermarkets offerings . More muddled thinking I fear . I'll join the friend queue too !

I cheerfully admit I'm incredibly lucky , as our local butcher knows exactly where his meat comes from , and can tell you what farm , how old it was , and what it was fed ( as he actually specifies it to our local farms). None of the meat comes from outside of a ten mile radius , and he dispatches it himself , or one of the lads does in the abbatoir out back. Although it does make for a bit of an odd conversation sometimes . 'Where's Jeff ?' 'He's out back slaughtering ...... '

Joysmum Sat 23-Nov-13 19:23:36

Meat eaters who mentally remove themselves from the fact that meat is an animal that died do they can eat is what perpetuates poor farming standards. I personally believe every neater should see what is being done in our name and then, only then, might animals get the good life and dignified death they deserve.

FTRsGotAShinyNewNN Sat 23-Nov-13 19:36:19

She sounds like an absolute loon and you're best off out!
Surely knowing where your meat has come from and that it was happy and well cared for is better than water filled, hormone pumped shite in a plastic wrapper!
She's a hypocrite and probably not someone who will leave too gaping a hole in your social circle

Cat98 Sat 23-Nov-13 19:39:57

YANBU, though I know some farmers who are so detached from the emotional side that they don't really seem to care at all about the animals as long as the meat is good quality. I'm sure you are not like this but their attitude makes me feel very uncomfortable.
They found a litter of kittens in their shed and drowned them instead of calling someone or taking them to a shelter. This is the type of attitude I'm talking about.
Maybe your friend has come across similar attitudes and is confusing your lifestyle with your ethics?

Cat98 Sat 23-Nov-13 19:40:50

Also how do you kill your animals and what is the most 'humane' method these days please?

Melonbreath Sat 23-Nov-13 20:12:24

Yanbu. I'd rather eat game that was living happily outside one minute and shot than miserable shed living animals herded into a warehouse of death. I also happily eat my friend's chickens. Free range happy clucking hens who are killed very quickly by my friend who wants to do what's right by them. No frightening truck journeys or terrifying smells once they get there tobbe dispatched by someone who may not be careful enough.
I loathe abattoirs. Any non abattoir meat is good meat in my opinion. I am not against hunting at all as long as nothing is wasted.

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