I slapped my child.

(78 Posts)
Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:44:03

He's thirteen, he called me a bitch, I told him never to say that again. He told me to fuck off, and I slapped him.

How do I make it OK again?

ipadquietly Fri 22-Nov-13 23:45:05

Tell him to apologise?

Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:45:38

I think I need to!

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 22-Nov-13 23:46:04

He was way out of order

Don't beat yourself up

Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:46:54

He was utterly shocked and ran upstairs and went to bed!

CoffeeTea103 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:47:03

He deserved that slap.

How dare he speaks to his mum like that.

SkullyAndBones Fri 22-Nov-13 23:47:19

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SkullyAndBones Fri 22-Nov-13 23:48:24

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Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:48:49

I'll have to talk to him tomorrow. Not sure how I'm going to make slapping him OK! I'm the bloody adult!

Isabeller Fri 22-Nov-13 23:49:50

How horrible for you.

Have some brew and cake

Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:50:04

Thanks for wine and flowers! I've shocked myself!

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Nov-13 23:50:05

I really don't know how I feel about this because...on the one hand I don't believe in slapping 13 year olds...and most of society has moved on from smacking younger kids as a form of discipline.

But (and I'm aware this makes me sound like a hypocrite) neither me or my 4 siblings would have ever dared speak to my parents like that because we would have got a well deserved slap.

I'm sorry, I'm not helping here confused

TiredDog Fri 22-Nov-13 23:50:44

I empathise but also agree that it's not acceptable.

I think sit down and talk when calm...no matter how long it takes to reach calm. Leave it 3 days if necessary. Don't attempt any conversation until emotions have burnt out

MuffCakes Fri 22-Nov-13 23:51:19

Well 13 isn't a child anymore he deserved that slap and I'm really against smacking.

I would of walloped my dc to.

I don't think you should apologise either I think he should be apologising for the awful things he said before you start.

Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:52:17

I've never slapped him before, I didn't mean to! I guess I lost my temper.

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Nov-13 23:53:41

13 may not be a 'child' but nor are they an adult.

And if the OP had slapped an adult who called her those names in the street, she would probably be arrested.

But the OP seems well aware that her reaction was wrong.

HoneyandRum Fri 22-Nov-13 23:55:00

Disrespect is definitely my hot button. I think you should think of some punishment he will receive if it happens again, so you are both clear of the consequences for the behavior and hopefully you don't lose control.

I yelled at my 13 year old dd today and she burst out crying. I was totally out of order and am horrified. It is a very rare occurrence (once a year or less) but I lose it when I am stressed over other things and than run out of patience suddenly for normal kids behavior. If you are running low on patience too can you give me some ideas of how to not overreact?

Caff2 Fri 22-Nov-13 23:55:32

I know it was wrong! I feel terrible. His words up the stairs were "Well, I'm not sorry now!!" sad

softlysoftly Fri 22-Nov-13 23:58:25

At about the same age I was a total PITA my parents never ever hit, they always talked to us.

Anyway 1 day I pushed and pushed and pushed my mums buttons and she slapped me full on the face. I ran away in shock.

She sent my older sister to find me and bring me home and I vaugley remember me crying a lot and her stiffly apologising while making it clear that it happened because I pushed her too far, she had feelings too.

I continued to be a pita until about 18, but within the limits as I now knew them. I'd always been wary of pushing dad (no idea why! ) but now I knew my mum wasn't my personal kicking block. It was a GOOD THING.

So calm down and do exactly as she did.

RoseRedder Fri 22-Nov-13 23:58:36

13 is a child

It's not the end of the world, Im sure youve given yourself a huge frightm and your sons got a huge fright too

Sit down with him tomorrow and apologise and explain what the consequences will be if he does it again (change the wifi password_

Bettercallsaul1 Sat 23-Nov-13 00:01:40

I think you were severely provoked, OP. You may feel you have crossed a line but so did he. It is normal for teenagers to rebel and challenge their parents, but using that language to you is beyond the pale.

I sometimes think it is better for children to realise how shocking their behaviour is - you may just have nipped this in the bud.

CremeEggThief Sat 23-Nov-13 00:03:20

thanks. Talk about it with him tomorrow. It wasn't the' right' thing to do, but I don't mind admitting I've done the same when my 11 year old DS has spoken like that to me.

Valdeeves Sat 23-Nov-13 00:17:28

What was said before he called you a bitch?

BillyBanter Sat 23-Nov-13 00:22:58

You both need to apologise and have a proper talk about how this all came about.

I'm not sure how it is that on threads where a younger child is slapped slapping anyone is wrong, and on a thread where an adult is slapped slapping anyone is wrong but on a thread where a 13 year old is slapped suddenly it's all right as they are not an adult or a young child. confused

KrabbyPatty Sat 23-Nov-13 00:23:54

Obv he owes you an apology, but you owe him one too for lashing out.

ChippingInLovesAutumn Sat 23-Nov-13 00:25:32

I wouldn't apologise.

If you apologise he will think he can push and push and push without boundaries. You have shown him that you will not tolerate being spoken to like that. It is a disgraceful way to speak to your Mum and he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself. If he doesn't apologise in the morning then I would be telling him what the consequence of his disgusting behaviour would be.

What brought it all on and how often is he like this?

BillyBanter Sat 23-Nov-13 00:30:40

If she doesn't apologise for unreasonable behaviour then he will learn that people don't have to apologise for unreasonable behaviour and feel that he shouldn't bother either.

monicalewinski Sat 23-Nov-13 00:54:46

What softlysoftly and scully said.

He needs to appreciate you have feelings and limits - he got a deserved shock and probably feels as shit as you do.

I would apologise, but not emotionally apologetic, just calm and reasoned, and make it clear that you will not tolerate that sort of behaviour. That way you make your boundaries clear, but he knows that you are truly sorry.

You're not a bad person, just a person pushed too far.

Hogwash Sat 23-Nov-13 01:00:15

'I wouldn't apologise.

If you apologise he will think he can push and push and push without boundaries' don't agree.

Apologies and discuss. What provoked him?

ChippingInLovesAutumn Sat 23-Nov-13 01:16:15

I don't think her behaviour was unreasonable.

Hogwash - that's fine - we can agree to disagree smile

BusyCee Sat 23-Nov-13 01:20:30

What softly said - I also once got slapped by my DM for pushing too hard. I seem to remember being vaguely aware I was testing her at the time. And she did the same - factual apology because hitting is wrong; major focus on my attitude and taking responsibility for my actions.

This is about helping her DS see that his words and actions have implications. Ok, this wasn't the ideal one, but is a direct consequence of what he said. Has he done the same to anyone else, he may have got the same reaction.

palemistyveil Sat 23-Nov-13 01:22:26

I don't think you ought to have slapped him. But you seem upset enough about that, so I shan't harp on, and I completely empathise with the situation. I don't know how I'd react to having that sort of language used against me.

caruthers Sat 23-Nov-13 01:22:40

Violence is never the answer even if you're pushed to the limit.

It's good that you recognise you might have overstepped the mark OP.

Using violence against words is wrong especially in a domestic situation where someone has the upper hand.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 23-Nov-13 01:25:32

Some of the responses here are disgusting.

People in the 'he deserved it' camp. Would you say the same if it was a man telling us how he'd slapped his wife?

OP you were wrong. You know that. You need to apologise.

I don't get this at all he is a 13 year old CHILD wtf all these he deserved it OP you need to apologise you are supposed to be the adult

Slutbucket Sat 23-Nov-13 01:51:23

I once called my mum a cow. She had a hair brush in her hand and i think she was so insensed that she slapped me on the leg with the hairbrush. My mum didn't really do cross so it was a shock but she was just pushed and she reacted.

OldBagWantsNewBag Sat 23-Nov-13 01:53:10

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Caff2 Sat 23-Nov-13 05:26:47

Thanks for advice. I will apologise to him, and explain that it was indeed a knee jerk reaction to his language and won't happen again. Also that I don't expect to be spoken to like that, but the slap was entirely the wrong reaction .

MrsNormanBates Sat 23-Nov-13 05:56:17

I would apologise for hitting him but be very firm letting him know he was in the wrong and still punish him for the bad language.

ThatVikRinA22 Sat 23-Nov-13 05:59:24

as a victim of real physical abuse i have to say there is a difference between physical assault and discipline.

i also feel i have to say that if some of the kids i come across now who are totally off the rails had had some discipline much earlier in their lives things might be different for them.

if a child feels its acceptable to call their mother a bitch then what is the answer? sometimes sitting down and talking it through just doesnt have the impact it should at the time.
i am not in favour of violence against children - but i have to say both my children (21 and 16) have pushed me to the very limits of patience before now and both of them have had a smack before now, with dd this has happened twice - once when she was 3 and turned and kicked me, and once when she was about 14 and hurled such abuse at me i was shocked, my reaction shocked her into silence (i smacked her on the bottom)
there is a difference between assault and discipline. my children are happy, lovely, well adjusted people who know right from wrong. we have talked things through afterwards and they have both admitted that they were pushing my buttons, i know in DDs case she would rather have had those 2 little taps on the arse than a weeks worth of groundings or phone confiscations - i have never ever had to ground either of my two. ive never taken anything off them. they are mostly lovely to be around and i am not remotely in favour of violence as an answer - but you should have some respect for people and the kids i deal with today have absolutely zero respect for anyone or themselves - they havent a clue what consequences are for bad behaviour. they find out when they end up in court.
i know which i would prefer.
i also think that if you have managed to get through the teenage years without wanting to strangle the little darlings you are doing exceptionally well - i love my kids with absolutely all my heart - i would die for them - and they know it, but the teenage years are the hardest and the ones when parents need to show some authority. my kids are now my friends (dd is 16 and slightly unbearable on a morning) but i feel i am friends with my kids, however they also know boundaries.

WandaDoff Sat 23-Nov-13 06:04:46

As a mother of 2 teenage boys, I would apologise for yelling, but still make it very clear that I am the adult & the parent in the situation.

It doesn't do much harm in your teens to find out that your parents are human & fallible, just one of the many life-lessons that you inevitably learn on the road to responsible adulthood.

loveolives Sat 23-Nov-13 06:54:25

I would have slapped him too and wouldn't have been apologetic. Little shit telling you to fuck off!

saintmerryweather Sat 23-Nov-13 07:00:58

my mum used to slap my sister when they were arguing. my god didnt she get a shock when my sister slapped her back one day. you dont have the right to.hit your child and he doesnt have the right to call swear st you. id apologise to him even if he doesnt apologise back

LittleTulip Sat 23-Nov-13 07:05:30

Apologise to him? Eh?! No way! confused

People in the 'he deserved it' camp. Would you say the same if it was a man telling us how he'd slapped his wife?

But this isn't a man and his wife it is a mother a son!! Big difference.

I wouldn't have dared peak to my parents like that and would fully expect a wallop if I had. Maybe you could have reacted better OP but don't give yourself sick a hard time about it.

MrsDavidBowie Sat 23-Nov-13 07:05:55

You need to tell him how much his behaviour provoked you.
He needs to apologise for that.

Is he behaving badly at school?

happycrimblechuckie Sat 23-Nov-13 07:06:56

He has NO respect for you, why would you even worry about slapping someone who had no respect for you, he sounds like a little shit and needed a slap, I would completely forget that you slapped him and when he gets up today, ask him to apologise or he will be grounded for a week, you have nothing to apologise for if he goes through life thinking he can talk to someone like that the next slapper may well be a 20 year old lad who will not stop and give him a good beating, you did him a favor and saved him from a future slapping. Really don't beat yourself up about teaching your cheeky boy a lesson, it is your job.

ANormalOne Sat 23-Nov-13 07:12:24

But this isn't a man and his wife it is a mother a son!! Big difference.

So physical violence is only acceptable if the recipient is a child? That's nice.

happycrimblechuckie Sat 23-Nov-13 07:15:40

A normal. I rarely smacked my children but always lived by the rule a sharp smack to save them hurting themselves arc can be neede, and as I said above this was one of those occasions. No physical violence is acceptable but we are talking about a slap not a life of violence, I was raised in a house where a daily beating was the norm and this situation we are discussing is not violence it is parenting, they are two very different things.

LovesBeingHereAgain Sat 23-Nov-13 07:17:29

Have a talk with him this morning. What prompted him to say it in tge first place?

LittleTulip Sat 23-Nov-13 07:22:56

So physical violence is only acceptable if the recipient is a child? That's nice.

I didn't say that.

It is about parenting which is a completely different relationship a man and his partner have. t's quite clearly not a regular occurrence in OPs case and her 13 year old needs to know that is unacceptable to behave in the way that he did.

rabbitlady Sat 23-Nov-13 07:26:56

remember you are the person in charge. he is testing you, he wants to take over. (its not personal, its his age, he can't help it).
you are right to insist that he speaks to you respectfully, and that you make the rules in your own home.
explain that you don't want to hit him, and don't expect to. but let him know your apology is not a sign of weakness.

CaroBeaner Sat 23-Nov-13 07:49:47

I would aplologise as a matter of principle, but don't let your own upset at slapping him negate how he made you feel and the awfulness of his own behaviour, Caff2.

If he genuinely apologizes and seems upset that he swore at you, I would leave it there. Closeness and communication and respect for each other better than a heavy handed punishment response, maybe.

I would definitely talk to him about the absolutely unacceptable nature of calling you and any woman a bitch. I think that is actually worse than saying fuck off.

azzbiscuit Sat 23-Nov-13 07:52:46

I wonder what reaction a man who slapped a 13 year old girl would get.

elfycat Sat 23-Nov-13 08:05:17


DF punched my sister when she was a late teen. To be fair she was physically pushing him and he was getting into a dangerous situation where he could have fallen from a height.

Our reaction as a family was to tell her to apologise to him, and that's before we knew the circumstances. There was just no way DF would have smacked or hit without reason.

I remember being slapped by my mother at 14ish for being a mounthy cow. I burst out laughing (the slap diffused the situation) and pointed out I was 4 inches taller than her and a stone heavier and could punch back and floor her. We agreed to try not to get to the hitting point again and we never have. She didn't apologise but I knew she hated physical violence.

HairyGrotter Sat 23-Nov-13 08:14:47

Being a parent doesn't make you any more special than anyone else! I hate the view of 'your parents deserve complete respect'...erm, no, they are human just as I.

Words are words, if anyone told me to fuck off, I'd tell them to remove themselves from my presence and if they didn't, I'd walk off. Violence isn't an appropriate reaction, regardless!!

Apologise and work through it together

azzbiscuit Sat 23-Nov-13 08:16:05

Hitting in self defense is one thing, but if a father hit his young daughter for calling him names would that get the same level of approval here? I doubt it.

Eve Sat 23-Nov-13 08:19:09

What biscuit said, if you came on here and said his father slapped him the hordes would be telling you to call police and social services.

Not judging you, just the double standards on here.

Neitheronethingortheother Sat 23-Nov-13 08:23:03

It happened. I think its understandable. If it was my I would apologise for hitting him would also expect an apology from him. We all know the mantra that its not the answer but shit happens, we deal with and move on. You reacted. Don't be too hard on yourself.

littlewhitebag Sat 23-Nov-13 08:29:06

You don't say what kind of slap it was - open hand to the face? Slap on the arm over clothes? Smack to the bottom over clothes? If it was to the face and he is marked in any way then you have assaulted him. I have seen many mother do this then be charged for assault. He would be within his rights to report you.

You must apologise to your son for losing your temper and you have to be adult and do this before expecting him to apologise to you. The you must find ways to walk away before you get to the point of doing this again in the future.

I accept that your DS was behaving very badly but violence is not the answer- even when provoked and it could lead you into a whole lot of trouble.

redskyatnight Sat 23-Nov-13 08:30:38

OP slapped him because she (momentarily) lost her temper - not to discipline him.

It's not ok to lash out at someone because they have wound you up. If someone else's 13 year old son had spoken to OP like that I doubt she would have slapped him. I agree that OP needs to apologise for the slapping and talk to him about his attitude.

BooCanary Sat 23-Nov-13 08:37:11

What MrsDavidBowie said.

My DM once screamed at me to 'stop being such a bitch'. I had hardly ever heard her swear. I had pushed her beyond reason with my shitty teenage behaviour, and I felt incredibly bad about it.
My DM apologised for what she said, but told me quite clearly that I had pushed her to it and my attitude needed to change before things got even worse. It had a huge ( positive) effect on my behaviour.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 23-Nov-13 10:35:09

'But this isn't a man and his wife it is a mother a son!! Big difference.'

No there isn't.

Slapping anyone is wrong (unless in self defence).

A bigger, stronger person who holds more power in the relationship hitting a smaller, weaker, less powerful person is very, very wrong.

Doing it in temper is understandable. We all make mistakes.

Justifying it is disgusting.

'her 13 year old needs to know that is unacceptable to behave in the way that he did.'

and he needs to know that it is unacceptable to behave in the way that she did. When he's 18 and his girlfriend tells him to fuck off it will not be acceptable for him to slap her. Because slapping people is not acceptable.

Mia4 Sat 23-Nov-13 10:50:12

Honestly, OP? He'll get over it and it might shock him into realising that he's behaving like a little shit. It certainly did to me when I (being a fucking horrible teen too and saying the same thing) got a slap from my mum. She burst into tears and I did too. I apologised to her and she apologised for the slap saying she'd lost her temper and she was sorry for that but I'd really hurt and upset her. I still was grounded and I respected her for not being weak and completely backing down after it.

I always knew never to do that again and behave in that way. Tbh, it was lucky it was my mum I said that too and not someone who could have turned around and beat seven shades of shit out of me.

Creamtea1 Sat 23-Nov-13 11:06:14

My mum slapped me when I was about 18 because she said I was being disrespectful about princess Diana dying (it was the day after). Don't actually know what I said or did to trigger the slap but Ive never forgotten it. whereas weirdly I know my dad used to smack us when we were children and being naughty but I can't remember any of those incidents.

Balaboosta Sat 23-Nov-13 11:11:33

My mum slapped me under similar circumstances when I was about 16 - and never mentioned it again. These things happen, but the important thing is to talk it through later - I wasn't right to slap you, and im bery sorry, but what you said made me feel very angry.
Good luck. It's okay for him to find your limit.

Balaboosta Sat 23-Nov-13 11:13:11

Ps everyone - OP knows its not acceptable. She wouldn't have posted it otherwise.

MyNameIsWinkly Sat 23-Nov-13 11:13:13

Tread carefully. My mum slapped me when I was that age, and was told in no uncertain terms that the next time she did it, she was getting the same back - and I meant it. You're showing him it's ok to turn to violence wheb you're provoked. That's a terrible lesson to teach.

JemR234 Sat 23-Nov-13 11:13:14

I can't believe people are saying he deserved it! Yes he was totally in the wrong and I can understand how OP lost her rag but slapping someone is just wrong and what is it teaching him about how to respond in a heated argument in his own relationships in future? That if his girlfriend says something awful she 'deserves' a slap and he should give her one? Of course OP should apologise, as should he for speaking to her in that way.

nowahousewife Sat 23-Nov-13 11:27:31

caff2 13 year old boys are hard work, my own DS who's the same age told me to piss off a few weeks ago. I was standing right next to him at the sink and slapped him on the arm. It was a v stupid thing to do especially at it was v soft and didn't hurt him at all but he was very shocked. When we both calmed down I told him that although I am the adult that I have feelings too and I don't always get things right. I explained that slapping him was wrong and it wouldn't happen again but if he ever spoke to me agin there would be sanctions. I did not actually apologise.

So he hasn't sworn at me again but he can still be a surly, grunty teenager.

Don't beat yourself up, you got something wrong but at least you recognise that and are thinking about strategies to deal with future problems which makes you a good mum and your son a lucky boy!

IfNotNowThenWhen Sat 23-Nov-13 11:37:48

I don't know. On the one hand, I can TOTALLY understand why you did it, and I may have done the same.
But. My mum is a face slapper. She would slap me for "insolent" comments, or, on one occasion, just because I was being moody. I ended up hating her, for years. I was also physically nervous around her. She has slapped me twice since I became a parent, so obviously still deals with anger in this way. The last time I slapped her back, which just made me utterly miserable actually.
I guess what I am saying is that it is never the answer, and there is something about a face slap that is just humiliating, and actually humiliating a teen is probably the worst thing you can do.
Disrespect from my dc is a massive button pusher for me, and I am not saying you should take this shit, but you need to find strategies to deal with your son, otherwise, what? Full on fights when he gets up the nerve to hit you back?

CaroBeaner Sat 23-Nov-13 11:47:13

How are things this morning, Caff2?

Zinkies Sat 23-Nov-13 11:48:44

You definitely should not assault your child.
But: why did he call you a bitch in the first place? I think you should try to resolve the original conflict.

randomAXEofkindness Sat 23-Nov-13 11:52:33

This thread is a real head shaker.

Some of the responses are incredible.

Obviously there is an underlying reason for his behavior op, and it isn't because he doesn't get assaulted by his mother enough. You understand that, you've said already that you know that slapping him was the wrong thing to do. You are going to apologize and try to make sense of it to him. You know what to do. I'm sorry this happened, I can imagine how awful you feel.

Maybe you can console yourself that this was a one-off and that your ds has the benefit of a mother who is reasonable enough to understand when she has made a mistake, unlike (by the sound of it) some other mners poor dc's.

jamdonut Sat 23-Nov-13 11:56:30

Seriously...don't beat yourself up about it (pardon the pun blush ). If it was totally out of character for you, he will realise that he just crossed a line, in the same way as you know you have.

I would just say you are sorry and that shouldn't have happened (in a matter of fact way),but you felt hurt and angry at his disrespect, and now you are hurt because it made you lose control.

If there is a Next Time, I would walk away and refuse to speak to him,or be very cool towards him, for a while.

LEMisafucker Sat 23-Nov-13 12:09:49

I shall tell you something now that i am deeply ashamed of.

My DP slapped my DD1 (this was years ago) for a very similar thing, she was giving me a load of mouth (she was 15 - relevant, were generally having a hard time with her for lots of reasons) and he said something to her, i can't remember what, and she got in his face and shouted "fuck you" he just lashed out, not hard, but a slap - i think she may have bit her lip, can't remember, there wasn't blood. DP was MORTIFIED and left the house went for a drive i think and didn't come back until DD gone to bed. I was very angry with her of course but horrified at what had happened. Anyway, the next day DP apologised to DD and that was, we thought, it. DP never laid a finger on her before.

DD had a BF at the time and she obviously told him, he told his mum who had sort of taken DD under her wing (fuck knows why!) She actually bought DD a new pair of hair straigteners after i confiscated them because she kept leaving them on, on her bed and going out! multiple warnings, you know the score - anyway - one day DD decided she was leaving home hmm and going to live with this woman, she didn't come home from school, i called her mobile and this woman told me DD was moving in with them and we were abusive parents angry

We did no more, got in the car and went to get her - DP feeling terrible and that it was all his fault (it wasn't, really) She wouldn't let me see my own DD, it was pissing down with rain, i had a 6 month old DD with me too. I called the police and they insisted that DD couldnt stay there, she was 15 and her BF 18. This woman was vile, kept telling DD not to come home and that she could live with them hmm Police absolutely put his foot down, could see the situation. We were honest with them about what had brought it on. DD came home although stayed with a friend of mine over night, we all met up the next day, talked it over and she came home.

The other woman threatened to call social services so i called them myself, explained the situation (was actually terrified id have my children taken away from me, i was suffering from PND anyway!) They spoke to us all and spoke to DD separately, i just told her to tell them the truth as she saw it and wouldn't discuss anything with her until she spoke to social services as i didn't want to influence anything. Social services were happy that there was no problems, although DD was having some issues as we had just lost my dad, her GF and obviously i had the baby as well, she was 15, doing exams etc so lots going on for her. So they did arrange for DD to have some counselling at school as she struggled with her temper, hence the "fuck you" comment in the first place.

DP should never have slapped her, it was so very wrong, but i think i would have done the same, teenagers just know how to push our buttons and push and push and push.

After that incident, things got better at home, DD sort of grew out of the insolent teenager phase, dumped the idiotic mummy's boy BF and she was much happier. This guy was one of those "emo" types who were fashionably depressed, if that makes sense and DD followed type.

So what i am saying its not the end of the world, it was a parenting fail of course but an understandable one, it may well just let your DS realise how upset that behaviour made you. You need to have a talk to him about how he must not talk to you like that, absolutely not and move on from it. Apologise for slapping him, but expect an apology back from him for the verbal abuse.

FWIW my DD grew out of that horrible snarky phase of her life and is a lovely beautiful young lady now, im very proud of her.

monicalewinski Sat 23-Nov-13 12:34:24

Good post LEM.

I remember pushing my mum & dad to the absolute limits when I was a teenager (am 38 now). I was an obnoxious little shit, but I actually think this is quite normal tbh - many teens are horrible at times.

I am under no illusion that my boys will be just as awful at times too (11.5 yr old is already showing odd flashes of shitness!!) and am dreading it.

LEMisafucker Sat 23-Nov-13 12:46:26

yep dd2 is 8 now <<scared>>

monicalewinski Sat 23-Nov-13 12:56:11



My youngest boy is 8 now and still v v cuddly and cute and loves his mum.

I will miss him!!

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