To think my friend is being a bit self entitled re Christmas leave

(73 Posts)
Arabesque1 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:30:36

She has two children under ten and works full time. Normally she takes leave over Christmas but this year a few colleagues, who usually provide cover because they have no children or their kids are grown up, are complaining and saying they want time off as well. As a result my friend has to go in on 28th and 29th Dec but will have 30th and 31st off (as well as having Christmas, Boxing and the following day off). She's kicking up murder and was on the phone to me for ages last night complaining about it. I made sympathetic noises but AIBU to think she's being a bit selfish about all this? Where I work we take turns, and everyone's needs are treated equally.

BTW her mum lives nearby and is always happy to take the children so it's not a child minding issue.

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Fri 22-Nov-13 13:33:52

28th and 29th are NOT Christmas. Just keep repeating that.

I've worked with people like this though (care work). They usually phone in sick Christmas Day.

hmm

Piffpaffpoff Fri 22-Nov-13 13:35:21

YANBU. any sensible workplace should have a rota with everyone getting a turn at getting Christmas off, or at least be offered the option. Someone at my work puts in for (and gets ) the entire holiday each year and it's so selfish.

ChippingInLovesAutumn Fri 22-Nov-13 13:37:02

She is being a total prat and someone needs to get her told.

WooWooOwl Fri 22-Nov-13 13:37:14

I'm struggling to understand the problem. She's not working Christmas!

Anydrinkwilldo Fri 22-Nov-13 13:37:22

We have a similar issue in my work place. The people who didn't have children were expected to cover Xmas eve and all the rest of the Xmas days (off Xmas day, Boxing Day etc). Some of these women had 'children' who were teenagers! We finally kicked up and boss had to take his head out of his a$$, solution everyone allowed 2 days if too many want same day it goes into a draw. Your friend is being very self entitled and should realise its everyone Christmas not just hers.

Stinkyminkymoo Fri 22-Nov-13 13:38:12

I think it's so unfair that it's done on a 1st come 1st serve basis when you get people who put in for it on the 2nd jan straight away. Grr

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 22-Nov-13 13:38:25

SIBU! People without kids are entitled to Christmas off too. There are some people where I work who have never worked it. It pisses me off.

attheendoftheendofmytether Fri 22-Nov-13 13:38:47

Yes totally entitled!

comemulledwinewithmoi Fri 22-Nov-13 13:39:49

What's she moaning about? As long as she has Christmas Day off?

PrincessScrumpy Fri 22-Nov-13 13:40:24

haha, see my thread re holiday. dh gets christmas day new year's day off - I'm actually happy about that as previous years he's worked Christmas day.

dfil always has to work school holidays as his kids are grown up - what his company fail to recognise is dmil is a teacher and can only take school holidays! Just because your kids are grown up doesn't mean you don't do anything at Christmas but sounds like your friend has got too used to it and by kicking off this year she'll probably have to work even more next year as everyone will be so annoyed with her!

PenguinsDontEatPancakes Fri 22-Nov-13 13:40:29

Thankfully we never had this problem at my workplace as there were a couple of people every year who were either saving holiday for a big holiday or who liked working the 'quiet' days and using their annual leave another time. And we were an office so shut Christmas day, Boxing Day and half day Christmas Eve.

But she is being stupid, entitled and quite frankly bloody rude. The personal life of someone without children is no less valuable than someone with children. Almost everyone has relatives or friends that they want to spend time with over Christmas, and everyone who wants to book holiday should have equal priority, on a rota if necessary.

Beastofburden Fri 22-Nov-13 13:41:52

Poor ickle princess. Why shouldn't she work her fair share? You are quite right.

I suspect she has got used to having a lovely break at Christmas and has not really given any thought in the past t what it has been like not being her. Agree that the pearl clutching about the children is a red herring.

bundaberg Fri 22-Nov-13 13:41:52

yep, she is. although if you're used to doing it a certain way i guess you come to view it as normal and expected.

my friend is a nurse and HAS to work christmas regardless. it's just the way it works innit?

CoffeeTea103 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:42:08

People who think they should have priority because they have kids just piss me off. Every one should have turns. Your friend is being entitled.

Sirzy Fri 22-Nov-13 13:42:47

I hope next year she is made to work christmas day too.

When my dad was nursing NOBODY was allowed christmas day off, they did shorter shifts instead to try to keep it fair. Generally those with young children were given the first pick of shift but that was as far as it went.

I think any system whereby the same people always get christmas off is very unfair unless someone is happy to volunteer to work that day

comemulledwinewithmoi Fri 22-Nov-13 13:43:06

I've applied for a job, which if I get it will probably work Boxing Day. I am looking forward to escaping

Arabesque1 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:43:07

Thanks. Glad I'm not being unreasonable. As I said, we take turns in my workplace and there's none of that crap of people thinking their circumstances are more important than anyone else's. But I have worked in places where people assumed that because they had children or had to travel to the country over Christmas the same people would constantly cut their Christmas break short every year to provide cover. It always caused very bad feeling.

DameDeepRedBetty Fri 22-Nov-13 13:48:09

This was one of the many, many reasons I decided to go self employed after taking time out to be SAHM until the twins went to school. Because I hated the way my co-workers who were parents would expect the rest of us to pick up the slack for their responsibilities whenever there was a sports day, nativity, etc etc., and didn't want to put anyone in the same place as I'd been put before.

BenNJerry Fri 22-Nov-13 13:50:05

YANBU! Where I work we all have children, but even if people don't, I wouldn't have an issue with taking it in turns. The only days we are closed are Christmas Day and Boxing Day. Nobody is allowed to request leave in December as it is our busiest month at work, but we take it in turns to have a couple of days leave over the Christmas week. Last year I had the 27th off, so this year it is my turn to work it. Fair is fair.

magentastardust Fri 22-Nov-13 13:54:22

I used to have this in my team at work -none of us had children but one girl's family lived a couple of hundred miles away so wanted the whole 2 weeks of Christmas and new year off to go home every year. Fair enough one year but then surely you take it in turns, or either get xmas off and work new year or the otherway around it isn't everyone elses problem that you live away from your family.
Who doesn't have family visits or family visiting them over those holidays -its xmas -everyone is entitled to a turn of the holidays.

HoratiaDrelincourt Fri 22-Nov-13 13:54:43

SIBU and unrealistic. I've always expected to work at least one day between Christmas and New Year - sometimes even a bank holiday because of the nature of the work.

If they had asked her to work all the days it would not be U to be annoyed and complain, but that isn't what's happened.

IME it's those without children at home who are most likely to want/need to travel around Christmas anyway!

Beastofburden Fri 22-Nov-13 13:58:42

Its one of the reasons i work where i do- we get good holidays.

I am lucky in that we close down completely from 23 December to 3 January.

Every year I save my other leave and take August off, which saves me a fortune in childcare. I plan my work very carefully and do a bit from home, and nobody has to cover for me. Two years ago, someone left suddenly and I had to cover her job as well as mine. Her job needed stuff doing in August, so I had to work August. If you work in an industry where people have to work over Christmas, then everyone has to do their fair share. If she doesn't like it, she can get a job where they shut for Christmas, like mine

girlywhirly Fri 22-Nov-13 14:05:41

I remember quite a few staff at a company I worked at would look forward to a few days at work between Christmas and New Year, just to get away from their relatives, or use as an excuse not to travel to them!

Your friend is BVU and should take her turn working those days.

Sirzy, my dad was in nursing and often did a shift on Christmas day when I was young.

limitedperiodonly Fri 22-Nov-13 14:11:20

She's selfish. We used to have people like that. Going in didn't bother me as much as being expected to.

I also worked with someone whose mother lived in Majorca who used to take three weeks over July/August to visit her and would whack it in the diary as early as she could. Only one person could be off at a time.

One year I couldn't go abroad and would have just liked one week when the weather was fairly likely to be nice in Britain seeing as the weather where she was going was pretty much reliable from April to October.

When I asked her to be a bit flexible she accused me tearfully of trying to stop her seeing her mum.

It was less daughterly affection and more the fact her mum lived near Magaluf where July and August is party time.

sashh Fri 22-Nov-13 14:56:17

Someone is complaining about having to work on two normal working days?

I bet she has had the operation so she doesn't fart as well.

limitedperiodonly Fri 22-Nov-13 15:05:43

I used to work somewhere where we always worked on Christmas Eve. No one had a problem with it because the work had all been done by then and it was easy.

There was one person who had a long journey to see her parents but I think she used to be allowed the day off.

But what the men resented bitterly was that our boss used to let the women go at about lunchtime. We were all single and he said single ladies liked to have plenty of time to get ready for a Christmas Eve night out.

He'd then invite all the 'lads' down the pub. Nobody wanted to go but there was no getting out of it.

Groovee Fri 22-Nov-13 15:12:01

My friend and I run a brownie unit. She was telling me that the others all rush off at 5pm, because "I have to pick the kids up!" and she was left working until 10pm fixing the technical issues at work.

But when she started brownies, she made sure she was packed up at 4.55pm and bolted out the door on a Wednesday after a few weeks of them bolting. I will admit as a mum of 2, I told her to do it. I wouldn't expect people to change things to suit me and have always had to juggle things with my 2 children.

Now they all realise that she has committments too and just because she is child free doesn't mean that she should have to let down the brownies. They've also realised that she won't be walked over any more.

Your colleague will just have to get over it. Just like me and dh had to when he worked last year on Christmas Day.

5Foot5 Fri 22-Nov-13 15:45:57

I think your friend is being very selfish and unreasonable.

I don't see why it should be a given that parents get priority for leave at Christmas. Arguably the young singles and the people without children might need the leave more since they are the ones more likely to be travelling to stay with other family. If you are staying at home over the Christmas period then you are likely to be less inconvenienced by having to go in to work the odd day than the childless 20-something planning to spend it with Mum and Dad who live 300 miles away.

Having said that I usually request the days between Christmas and New Year myself but I made it quite clear that though I would like those days I was quite prepared to compromise if someone else wants them to. And I have said I will work Christmas Eve.

5Foot5 Fri 22-Nov-13 15:48:21

my friend is a nurse and HAS to work christmas regardless. it's just the way it works innit?

So is my sister. I remember years ago she said that on her ward they had an agreement that those without children would work Christmas morning so the parents could be with their children but the payback was that the people who worked Christmas would get New Years Eve off so they could go out and celebrate.

Snatchoo Fri 22-Nov-13 15:53:29

I don't know. In our dept as there are loads of us, we put in our first choice weeks and second choice weeks and we either get it or we don't. Normally we get first choices so I always put in for the week between Xmas and New Year as I like to be off then.

If others wanted it and didn't request it, so weren't given it, I can't see the problem.

However, if there are fewer of you in the dept there has to be a compromise if more than one of you wants Xmas off, it's not fair for her to always have it.

liveforhols Fri 22-Nov-13 15:54:02

I'm a nurse. I would be over the moon if I was only working the 28th and 29th December.

Arabesque1 Fri 22-Nov-13 15:54:50

I've heard of companies who do that 5foot5 and while I realise it's an attempt at fairness, not all childless people want to go out on New Year's Eve and paint the town red and lots of childless people want to spend Christmas morning with their loved ones or be part of the extended family Christmas morning get together or go to Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve with family followed by hot ports and mince pies. The fairest way to sort these situations is to simply have a rota. Those who covered last Christmas get first choice this Christmas.

EldritchCleavage Fri 22-Nov-13 15:55:02

Ooh, how fondly I remember the meeting at work where the parents started saying those without children had to do all the out of hours cover. One of the big bosses is child free, but has a huge extended family he likes to see and aged parents he looks after. He went absolutely mad as only he can do. Then my favourite boss and mentor commented that there wasn't any prospect of some of the younger ones having families if we weren't ever allowed to leave work, socialise and find partners. No one has pulled this crap since.

And it is crap. I've got children now and I still think it's crap. If you have to work Christmas it is sad, but you make it up to them and do things at other times.

TheWitTank Fri 22-Nov-13 15:59:12

She is being totally UR-and she isn't working Christmas!!! Those days are normal working days. At our place we share equally, children or not.

SummerRain Fri 22-Nov-13 16:00:43

My friend is a nurse and worked all over xmas last year in a city 3 hours from home so she couldn't even pop home between shifts, her kids are 2 and 5. She may be working xmas again, she'll find out this week.

Now that I have sympathy for. Your friend.... not so much!

PenguinsDontEatPancakes Fri 22-Nov-13 16:01:06

Eldritch - Love your boss! I remember pre-DC using the argument about younger ones needing to meet people when a colleague started saying those with kids should have preferential treatment for leaving on time.

HoratiaDrelincourt Fri 22-Nov-13 16:02:41

Someone I used to know always volunteered to work the 6am-2pm shift on Christmas Day. It meant he avoided all the sprout peeling and rocked up in time for a big feed and then a snooze in front of the Queen, totally justified by having had to work so hard all morning (read: sit in an office watching telly, just in case something happened).

RVPisnomore Fri 22-Nov-13 16:07:17

I have a team of 80 people working for me and have a few people who will request all of the peak school holidays and the Xmas holidays on 2nd January every year. Every year I tell them that won't authorise a whole years worth of holidays in one go and I will ask the team nearer the time so that it's fair.
I apply the same rules for Xmas, I ask who wants what and if I don't have enough people volunteering then I would look at who had the time off the year before and then draw names out of the hat. However, I think that the approach works well and so far in the last 3 years everyone has been able to have the time off that they have wanted.

As far as I'm concerned children don't come into it, and I say that as a mum too.

DwellsUndertheSink Fri 22-Nov-13 16:10:10

my DB has not had Christmas at home for 7 or 8 years. He doesnt see his wife, let alone his extended family sad Because even when he wasnt rota'd, the people who were would call in sick.

My DB works in a hospital, in the lab, so he HAS to go in, or blood tests dont get done.

One of the worst offenders tried to pull the same stunt over new year. DB took it to HR and complained eventually.

lottieandmia Fri 22-Nov-13 16:18:22

YANBU - everyone should take it in turns. It's completely unfair that some people get the short straw year after year just because they don't have children.

Anniegetyourgun Fri 22-Nov-13 16:25:14

My place of work opens over Christmas (including Christmas Day) and for the last couple of years they have not allowed any annual leave to be taken in the second half of December. If people want a day off that falls on their normal rota they have to find someone else to swap a shift with them. (I was laughing this year, Christmas didn't fall on one of my days - then somebody resigned - now I'm filling in sad.)

monicalewinski Fri 22-Nov-13 16:28:55

Where I work it tends to be the childless people that volunteer for xmas day and those with children work new year's eve. Luckily it always seems to work out.

In answer to your original OP, she is being VERY unreasonable to whinge because she is off for xmas day.

As someone said near the top of the thread, just keep repeating
"but you're not working xmas confused" - until she gives up!

Chunderella Fri 22-Nov-13 16:36:48

28th and 29th totally is Christmas, but she's BU. We can't all always have what we want, and its less painful than working some of the other days of Christmas would be.

digerd Fri 22-Nov-13 16:38:49

We had one woman with children who went sick with a medical certificate for every school holiday every year. She was spoken to and asked to resign but she refused saying it was legit as she had medical certificates every time and they couldn't do anything about it.
We did not have temps and everybody else had to cover her workangry

Crinkle77 Fri 22-Nov-13 16:46:13

That attitude really annoys me. Just because someone does not have children doesn't mean they should not have time off at christmas too. They may also have dependents such as elderly parents who may rely on them.

JRmumma Fri 22-Nov-13 16:47:34

Oh how it annoys me when people try to commandeer all of the school holidays in January. Where i work we are in small teams of 2-3 people and just have to make sure someone is there if we want to take leave.

My friend asked her team if they were around for a week off almost a year in advance (for a relatives wedding abroad) then she watched her colleague google the next years half term dates and announce that no she couldn't go to her relatives wedding because her children would be off school that week and she likes to have the same weeks off to spend time with them. Long story short but she managed to convince my friends manager to make her cut her holiday short so she could have that week off. Her children are teenagers.

allmycats Fri 22-Nov-13 16:51:09

She is a very selfish person - she is NOT working Christmas.
This year, for the firsttime in 6years I have booked a holiday days for 29 and 30th December and my job share partner is complaining loudly that SHE ALWAYS HAS THE TIME OFF AT THIS TIME OF YEAR AND HAS DONE FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS - so I should know not to book this off.

She just does not get it, after 6 years it is her turn to work

amothersplaceisinthewrong Fri 22-Nov-13 16:52:11

Your friend, OP, is being a lot entitled. Are people with aged parents/other caring responsibilities not entitled to time off for their caring duties.

5Foot5 Fri 22-Nov-13 16:56:08

I have a team of 80 people working for me and have a few people who will request all of the peak school holidays and the Xmas holidays on 2nd January every year. Every year I tell them that won't authorise a whole years worth of holidays in one go and I will ask the team nearer the time so that it's fair.

Hmm. Trouble with that is if you want to book your main family holiday sometimes you have to do that months in advance - especially if you are limited to school holidays. I am not talking about a whole years worth at one go here just say a fortnight in the summer.

Summer this year I had commitments which meant there was only one possible fortnight when we could go away so I booked that fortnight back in October 2012! I would find it very difficult indeed if whoever authorised my holidays wouldn't authorize more than, say, 3 months ahead. That would potentially rule out lots of possibilities.

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Fri 22-Nov-13 16:58:10

Her behaviour is selfish and entitled to the max.

Just because someone has children does not mean they deserve leave on certain days more than someone who doesn't.

In this situation I think the only fair solution is a rota.

Bithurt Fri 22-Nov-13 17:05:48

Where I work, we write down our preference. I'm off this Xmas but if I wrote down for it off next year and the others wanted it off too, who'd worked this year, I'd need to work it. We have a 1 year old so I wouldn't like it but it would be only fair.

theoriginalandbestrookie Fri 22-Nov-13 17:12:35

OP YANBU.

But slightly off the main topic re holiday requests - I requested all of my holidays ( bar xmas) for 2014. We were asked to submit what we wanted. I asked for school holidays - but was completely prepared to have to work around certain dates, if they weren't available.

Nothing wrong inmho with asking. Whoever is responsible for holiday rotas can say no. I have just booked flights to go away next Oct half term - I had to wait until my holidays were authorised and in that two week period they went up £200. If I was only allowed to arrange things 3 months in advance, or when those who don't like to book things in advance do it, then we would have far fewer holidays away than we do.

Luckily our office operates a shut down more or less over Christmas so we are all off.

RVPisnomore Sat 23-Nov-13 12:56:54

5foot5 - I do take your point and I don't leave it late to check however, I don't see why those who have school children should always automatically get what they want.

Equally, if someone says they are booking a holiday then fair enough I'll authorise but then say they may not get the same time the next year or have to cover a holiday later in the year. It's more about managing their expectations so they don't expect to get whatever they want whenever they want it.

nennypops Sat 23-Nov-13 13:41:51

It's people like this who get mothers a bad name in the workplace. Her workmates are perfectly entitled to want time with their families over Christmas. I must say after the work of preparing for Christmas and the chaos of Christmas itself, I'm not necessarily sorry to escape to work for a couple of days and leave others to deal with my overexcited dc.

annielouisa Sat 23-Nov-13 14:24:03

She is so selfish and totaly U. I am working Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and New Years Eve. We are a small team and everyone is pulling their weight. I am lucky enough to have a late start and early finish Christmas Day and our manager has been equally as accomodating with other staff. I think she has tried to gives us the best deal she could, (I am off 26-30th) because we were not a bunch of moaners and accepted our shifts with good grace.

FeetUpUnitilChristmas Sat 23-Nov-13 14:35:35

As a company we shut down from Christmas Eve to New Years Day so I always have had a break and I am very lucky that usually my DH can take the same time, we can then arrange our Christmas around other family members leave/work patterns.

As a parent I understand that if you want to go away you have to take leave during school holidays, but I also understand that others may have family members working in education of just want to go away in peak period, its their choice. We open our holiday calendar for the following year in December by asking each department to discuss plans and to put forward a schedule for leave, basically at that point I hope that anyone who is tied to certain dates books leave and anyone who can't be bothered waits until nearer the time. This is fair to everyone.

NellysKnickers Sat 23-Nov-13 15:26:21

I've volunteered to do extra over the festive period because of all the squabbling between my childless colleagues, I'd rather take my annual leave in the summer anyway, rather than being stuck in with the dcs in the winter. It should be fair, if you get it off one year its someone else's turn the next. You always get the entitled twats though.

starfishmummy Sat 23-Nov-13 15:41:30

Our management have not yet agreed any xmas leave yet because they are oversubscribed with people wanting the whole time off from xmas eve until after new year.

tallulah Sat 23-Nov-13 15:55:51

I used to like working the quiet days between Xmas and New Year when my older DCs were teens. I'd get loads done at work and not have to listen to MTV at full blast grin

Since DC5 was born I've had to have every Xmas off because nursery always closed for the whole week, and now we have a 2 week school holiday. There is no childcare available and DH always has to work. (He generally goes in the day of the 24th and the night of the 26th/ 27th/ 28th/29th, so he doesn't even get a proper break sad )

But I've had colleagues like yours who insist on the whole fortnight off every year and never get told no. It is very selfish on their part and bad management to let them get away with it.

DrCoconut Sat 23-Nov-13 16:02:35

Where I work the same rules re leave apply to all regardless of home life. No one works Christmas but at other times such as summer no one has first dibs, it is done by agreement within the teams so that someone is in except for the Christmas shutdown. We are all grown ups and cover each others backs so no one misses things that matter to them for whatever reason. In the event of an unresolveable clash the managers would step in and decide but so far we just hand in our rotas and everyone is happy. The place has its issues but luckily time off is not one of them.

theoriginalandbestrookie Sat 23-Nov-13 16:05:53

Starfishmummy - I wouldn't blame the people asking for the leave - perfectly normal that folks would request the break, it's down to management to do their job i.e. manage the situation. They clearly are not doing that effectively as it's not acceptable imho for people in standard jobs where you book holiday in advance, not to know if they are working christmas or not. They need to agree a system - even if it's picking names and dates from a hat.

RaRa1988 Sat 23-Nov-13 16:36:45

YANBU AT ALL. This woman is extremely self-centred and selfish. How dare she think her family is more important than anyone else's?! Just because other people may not have children does not mean they do not have anyone they want to spend Christmas with. This kind of attitudes p*sses me right off. I work 24/7 shifts, and some people at work think they're entitled to Christmas off because of their children. I kind of think they shouldn't have signed up to shift-work then!

Shonajoy Sat 23-Nov-13 16:49:25

There are three of us who cover a business that's open 8.30am-7pm. The deal is Nobody takes time off over Christmas, and we change shifts if people need time off. This was great for me when my kids were small, and my colleagues now get me doing Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve for them so they can spend time with their kids. One of the girls had just started, she has a three year old and had prev been in retail- she was nearly in tears when we arranged Xmas eve off with her, so she can spend it for the first time in five years with her family.

My other colleague has children with special needs, so I'm doing new year for her. Love being able to give back, I think your friend is very selfish. My kids are 19 and 18 x

mitchsta Sat 23-Nov-13 16:50:17

So if you don't have kids, you don't deserve to enjoy time off around Christmas with your loved ones?! SIBU. What a crap attitude.

Darkesteyes Sat 23-Nov-13 17:55:55

I used to work nights in a sex chatline office which shut Christmas Eve/Day Boxing Day New Years Eve/Day but opened on other days. I got both Christmases 2001 and 2002 off apart from doing 11pm to 3am on the evening of the 28th Dec in 2001 and 23rd December night shift both years which would obvs finish on 3am Christmas Eve.
This was worked out and everyone was happy cos everyone else in the office loved the hot weather and having time off over the summer and i prefer Xmas so i was lucky.
I SOOO agree with posters who are saying that childless ppl dont necessarily prefer NYE Im child free and also dont drink and have never been out NYE in my life.
But if in a similar position to some of you i would do rota/swopsies/alternate each year.....whatever was needed if it was worked out fairly.

Darkesteyes Sat 23-Nov-13 17:57:43

Unfortunately i did spend Christmas Day 2002 in hospital with gallstones.

Darkesteyes Sat 23-Nov-13 17:58:48

Just adding i ALWAYS worked all the other bank holidays throughout the year at the chatline including Easter.

Only1scoop Sat 23-Nov-13 18:07:18

"There are enough single people and childless people who work here. I shouldn't have to work Christmas Day"
Was a quote of a colleague years ago I was horrified.
So people without children/single etc shouldn't celebrate Christmas....awful.
Until that point( I had no dc then) I used to volunteer over Christmas.
I thought never again!

Purple2012 Sat 23-Nov-13 18:14:32

She is being unreasonable. If only I had her problem! Where I work we all had an agreement that you work one Christmas day in 4 years. So 2 people working on the day. I have to work this year when I should be off as a colleague put in a sneaky leave request and had it granted. So I am working 2 out of 3 Christmases. This year I am again working Christmas day, boxing day, new years eve and new years day. I have never had a Christmas at home just me and my husband.

Xfirefly Sat 23-Nov-13 18:24:52

she should consider that lucky!! I've worked Christmas day when I worked in care. I was 17 and tbh I really enjoyed it as I got to spend it with wonderful elderly people who hardly have anyone. some people got no choice but to work over Xmas its their job. if I get another job where working Xmas is involved I wouldnt expect it off just because I had my daughter.

EldritchCleavage Mon 25-Nov-13 13:25:07

I don't get why having children is seen as the trump card that always wins. What about people with other kinds of family commitments, religious beliefs, etc etc?

Arabesque1 Mon 25-Nov-13 13:36:25

Exactly Eldritch. And that suggestion that often seems to come up re parents get Christmas day off and child less people get New Year's eve is just another way of some parents getting their own way, but trying to make it look as if they're making an equally big sacrifice.
"I get to spend Christmas day at home with my family, enjoy a lovely Christmas dinner, have extended family come over to visit, etc etc. But in return you get to stay at home on New Year's Eve and plan what lipstick you're going to wear to the pub that night".

Bah, humbug angry

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