AIBU to not want my child to go on this trip?

(169 Posts)
OooWhatToDo Thu 14-Nov-13 18:09:42

Some parents opinions would be appreciated here please; DD has got a class trip tomorrow with 2 other classes to the local Woods which is only a 5-10min drive away. Normally I wouldnt worry or shirk a class trip whatsoever, but it really isnt settling well with me at the thought of her being outside in the woods from 9.30am - 2.45pm in these low temperatures.
We take them up there all the time & love being outdoors, but after an hour or so at this time of year the cold sets in & they're ready for central heating!
Apparently there is a 'centre' there with toilets, but we've never seen this & think they maybe slightly glossing over their description when its nothing more than a large glorified shed with a few toilets.
Am I worrying needlessly? If it was just the morning they were going for & back to school for lunchtime id be totally fine with it, but all day despite the cold weather?? If she doesn't go then it'd go down as an unauthorised absence mark on her record.

What should I do?

I'd let her go. The school know what they are doing.

judgejudithjudy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:11:46

yabu - let her enjoy herself & give her some warm clothes!

OrangePixie Thu 14-Nov-13 18:12:08

Hmmm, I don't see your concern. It's not sub-zero out there and she'll probably be on the move most of the time so keeping warm that way. Just make sure she is dressed warmly tomorrow morning.

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 18:12:27

Yes, wrap her up warm with layers if you can. i am sure they won't be still long enough to get cold.

SilverApples Thu 14-Nov-13 18:12:52

Make sure that she's wrapped up in layers and has appropriate footwear, hat and gloves.
You don't mention how old she is, or where you are located. or if the school has prior experience with running trips to the woods.

ercoldesk Thu 14-Nov-13 18:13:48

Our school says no such thing as too cold, just inappropriate clothing! Yabu, get her layered up and let her have some fun!

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 18:13:58

Just wrap her up warmly.

Remotecontrolduck Thu 14-Nov-13 18:14:13

They'll be fine, it really isn't in the teacher's interests to have hoardes of uncomfortable freezing children, who'll certainly be very vocal about it!

Send her with a coat and gloves etc, she'll miss out on fun with her friends otherwise.

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:15:51

OP I would feel the same. Outside for that amount of time in the woods in this cold weather is too much for me let alone a child. Woodland areas are really damp as well.
I think you should let DD go as she might feel excluded. But I really can see your concern. Bloody stupid idea of the school. How old is DD by the way smile

Yep - keep her off - the school has obviously designed this trip to make as many of them as cold as possible.

I'm sure they haven't spent ages doing a risk assessment to keep them safe and would much prefer the risks of taking them to the woods rather than keep them safe in the class room.

In face they probably even chose somewhere with only a few toilets on purpose because they want all the children to not be able to use the toilet in comfort.


Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 18:16:32

These cold temperatures? It isn't that bad yet! Just make sure she had the right clothing and she'll be fine. If mine were doing similar then for example they would have their thermal base layers on, warm, water proof coat, waterproof gloves, balaclava as scarves get lost and their long welly socks in wellies.probably their waterproof trousers too. layers and waterproof outers keep them warm.

OooWhatToDo Thu 14-Nov-13 18:16:59

She's 5 and it's estimated to be 3 degrees tomorrow. Would you really let your child out the whole school day with no time indoors to warm up?

LouiseAderyn Thu 14-Nov-13 18:17:02

If you are not happy then let her have the day off. The world won't end!

I would hate to be outside all day in this weather, so wouldn't mske my dc do it if they were not keen.

MortifiedAnyFuckerAdams Thu 14-Nov-13 18:17:33

There's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing.

I inagine they have plenty of activities planned, option for warm drinks and if not, they are the ones who have to listen to the whining.

Hot bath before bed and they will be fine.

Rooble Thu 14-Nov-13 18:17:40

They will be moving around (I would hope) so should not be cold. If your DD really feels the cold, put a pair of tights under her trousers. Gloves and a hat and she'll be fine.
(Not sure where you live, but we're in Yorkshire and it is not really cold at all yet).

LouiseAderyn Thu 14-Nov-13 18:18:56

Just to add, my dcs school is very keen on lots of outdoor walks to local woods etc and I have helped out a lot. After about 2 hours those kids are more than ready to go back to school.

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 18:19:03

Yes I would as school isn't optional and teachers put a lot of thought into trips.

If you put her in weather appropriate clothing she will be fine.

phantomnamechanger Thu 14-Nov-13 18:19:17

ours have been to a kids farm in the bleak mid winter - dressed warmly and they do plenty of running and climbing etc.

talk about mollycoddled kids. Assume you are in the UK and its not the bloomin arctic circle?

vikinglights Thu 14-Nov-13 18:19:31

Seriously just make sure she is appropriately dressed. At that age dd1 was in a nature kindergarten and was rarely inside until it got below minus ten......

NoComet Thu 14-Nov-13 18:19:35

DD2 is still trampolining in the garden wearing a vest top and very short shorts.
And, I accept, DD2 is a bit mad.

Deadhamsterssmell Thu 14-Nov-13 18:20:17

Let her go, she'll be fine as long as she has plenty of layers. It's not that cold here at the moment, though it does depend where you are. Today was 7 degrees with us. I would have thought that they would be doing plenty of activities to keep them warm as the teachers will want them busy.

If they are only 5-10 minutes away then the teachers will bring them back if they are too cold.

SpookedMackerel Thu 14-Nov-13 18:20:45

Dd is 5 too, and they have a forest day once a week (we're not in the UK). Lots of layers, and waterproof outers, hats and gloves and boots and she'll be fine.

cardibach Thu 14-Nov-13 18:20:49

If there was snow on the ground, I might agree with you, but it is only (quite mild so far) November. As others have said, the teachers won't want unhappy children to deal with. YABU

phantomnamechanger Thu 14-Nov-13 18:21:28

Layers........tights, leggings, then warm trousers on top 2 pairs of socks plus wellies, layers on top half, and warm winter coat with hat,scarf and gloves. simple.

Damnautocorrect Thu 14-Nov-13 18:22:24

I don't think the teachers would enjoy the cold that much either. Let her go, she'll be fine.

SilverApples Thu 14-Nov-13 18:22:27

My PFB was in a nursery up on t' moors, where the temperature plummeted way below zero. They spent a huge amount of time outdoors and she loved her skisuit so much she wanted to sleep in it. She had a lot of all weather gear and was toasty.
But, your call.

ReluctantBeing Thu 14-Nov-13 18:22:33

Wrap her up warm. Don't let her miss out.

WestieMamma Thu 14-Nov-13 18:22:52

Old Swedish proverb: There's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing.

If 'the cold sets in' after an hour or so then she is not dressed properly. I'm in Sweden and children spend whole days in the forests regularly at -10C and below with no problem whatsoever.

TheIggorcist Thu 14-Nov-13 18:23:03

She can warm up in the shed. The teachers will be just as cold as the children, surely, (more so as not running around) so will not stay out if it is exceptionally cold.
Or keep her off and let her be warm but fun-free.

D011Y Thu 14-Nov-13 18:23:49

Do 5 year olds even feel the cold? As others have said she will probably be on the move all day anyway. You are being too precious, won't she be upset about missing a school trip, especially when the other kids are talking about the fun they had! Being outside at this time of year for 4 hours is fine. (unless of course you are in Alaska and she will only ever wear t shirts and sandals, in which case I take it back!)

Sirzy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:24:13

Unless there is a medical reason she can't get too cold then I would wrap her up warm in layers and let her go and have fun!

greenbananas Thu 14-Nov-13 18:24:31

I would certainly let ds go. He is 5 and would absolutely love it. Nearly all children this agr love being outside, so long as they are appropriately dressed.

We live in the middle of a city, and I wish ds had more chances to get outside in a natural environment, experiencing the woods and the weather.

Make sure your dd is well wrapped up in thin layers of cotton and wool that won't be too bulky and uncomfortable. Make sure she has gloves. Put jet on something that she doesn't have to strip off completely in post to go to the loo.

I'm impressed that your school are doing this. Your dd will have a ball!

SilverApples Thu 14-Nov-13 18:25:02

But, y'know, they're like, Swedish, Westie grin

Different to us.

tickingboxes Thu 14-Nov-13 18:25:12

Wow. PFB?

Weegiemum Thu 14-Nov-13 18:26:18

No, sounds great to me. wrap up warm, trust the school, let her have a great time!

I've got 2xprimary age dc who are camping under canvas the first weekend in December with the Scouts. We're very excited about this. Children are hardier than you think!

greenbananas Thu 14-Nov-13 18:26:22

(Sorry for typos, haven't got used to this phone)

bronya Thu 14-Nov-13 18:26:37

If they get cold, the teacher will bring them back early. I wouldn't worry beyond ensuring that you send your DC with suitable, WARM clothing (esp socks and a hat!).

Balaboosta Thu 14-Nov-13 18:28:22

"There's no such thing as bad weather, only inadequate clothing"....
Be positive. Dress her warmly. Have fun, dd!

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 14-Nov-13 18:28:47

Op do you know that there are schools and nurseries that spend all day everyday outside? From toddlers upwards, the children are educated, fed and entertained outdoors.

Balaboosta Thu 14-Nov-13 18:28:56

I'd be going too!

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:29:42

There is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing confused What a fucking stupid comment. Keep her off if you are not happy. At that age they do not always have the sense to do their coats up. And the teachers wont bother with checking that. OP. DD is your child, you must do what you think is right for you.

5madthings Thu 14-Nov-13 18:29:46

oh fgs just make sure she is dressed appropriately and she will be fine.

my ds3 (8) is currently away on a residential trip, they are outside, walking in streams and fields, getting wet and muddy etc, i just sent him with appropriate clothing.

killpeppa Thu 14-Nov-13 18:30:57

its hardly arctic. it isnt below 0 yet.

god help your DD when it snows...envy

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:32:32

There is no such thing as bad weather!!!!!! gale force winds, storms etc etc are not bad weather. What the hell are they then ? Whoever made that saying up needs to go and see someone

SoupDragon Thu 14-Nov-13 18:32:43

You're being daft.

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 18:32:47

Mylovelyboy, of course teachers check they have their coats done up. At least they do at my children's school.

complexnumber Thu 14-Nov-13 18:32:59

Just say know then.

Personally I think you would be denying your child a fantastic experience.

But if you think that she shouldn't be exposed to normal weather, that's your call

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 14-Nov-13 18:33:02


complexnumber Thu 14-Nov-13 18:33:32

say no

Topseyt Thu 14-Nov-13 18:33:36

I can't see what your issue is. It really isn't that cold at the moment. 3 degrees tomorrow is chillier than it has been, but hardly sub-zero. A 5 year old will be fine if dressed in the appropriate clothing.

When my kids were that age they went on outings like that, and at this time of year too. I never gave it a second thought and mine have lived to tell the tale.

bigbrick Thu 14-Nov-13 18:33:40

Sounds a great time

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 18:34:58

You can't just take children out of school because you don't like the trip. confused

LaBuveuse Thu 14-Nov-13 18:35:03

Agree - you are being daft.

SoupDragon Thu 14-Nov-13 18:36:12

Are they walking there and back?

givemeaclue Thu 14-Nov-13 18:38:52

You could be fined for unauthorised absence.

Let her go they will be fine they can go back to school if cold. Ask the teacher what the plans are if you are worried.

Tee2072 Thu 14-Nov-13 18:39:03

Why wouldn't you let her go?

Hulababy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:39:15

I would let her go.

Outdoor, or forest, school is big in many countries abroad, including countries which are far colder than ours.

Agree with the poster who says "no such thing as too cold, just inappropriate clothing."

Wrap her warm - lots of thinner layers are better than one or two thick layers. They will be active and moving, and I am sure they will be fine, and have a great time.

Hulababy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:42:18

And actualy we do check coats, etc.

In foundation - we help them fasten coats and put on scarves/gloves if they have them.
In y1/2 we remind them that they must put a coat on at this time of year. I they go outside without one we send them to get it. If they can;t do it up we will still help them but obviously encourge them to do it themselves. But we don't force them to button up if they are too warm, just insist their coat i on.

However - still lots of children coming to school with no coats and no seinsible shoes at the moment.

whois Thu 14-Nov-13 18:42:33

It's winter, they'll be outside. Send her is appropriate clothing to keep her warm. You know, like most people manage to do? Honestly, how is that hard??

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:42:36

Of course OP would not be fined for unauthorised absence................just phone in sick

StoorieHoose Thu 14-Nov-13 18:43:00

My dd had her school trip to a country park last February - there was snow on the ground and they had a whale of a time!!

OooWhatToDo Thu 14-Nov-13 18:44:12

It's hardly missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime, we take her there loads. She is the sort of little girl who feels the cold easily, there is nowhere there to warm up properly. I know kids in Sweden spend a lot of time in the forest but that's not really applicable to what I'm asking.

It's totally commonplace for german children to be outside all year round in the woods getting their hands dirty.

Fleta Thu 14-Nov-13 18:46:58

MyLovelyBoy - of COURSE there is bad weather when it isn't appropriate to go on a know they won't go then right?

My DD went on a trip - torrential rain, they got sodden wet through and LOVED it. They ended up being evacuated out because of floods. I wasn't worried in the slightest. Teachers are so, so vigilant on trips.

Viviennemary Thu 14-Nov-13 18:47:36

I think it's far far too cold for this kind of trip. Why do schools put children through this misery. Not sure if I would send my child. Depends on what age they were. I know it's the in thing to think children should be hardy. Well I never was and never will be.

Tee2072 Thu 14-Nov-13 18:47:37

You've already made up your mind. So why did you ask?

givemeaclue Thu 14-Nov-13 18:47:55

What are you asking? Are you bu to keep her off? We'll the law says you can't keep her off for no good reason so there is your answer. It could cost you £120.

Put your mind at rest by finding out the facts

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 18:49:26

Presumably whatever they are doing is part of the curriculum, and therefore Education.

I don't think it's a good message to give to a child that you can pick and choose what to participate in.

I wouldn't normally react as strongly as this on a post but you had me open mouthed with amazement. Really Really? Afraid of a little cold? Cold air is actually pretty good for you, as is running about in the fresh air, with freinds on an educational experience

You are being totally OTT. What are you afraid of? Layer her up, let her run. Prize for the the most PFB post i think I have ever seen.

There are outdoor nurseries her in the UK, where the children spend all day, every day outside - I have seen some of these children in Pollock Park in Glasgow, and they all looked rosy-cheeked and happy - and all of them are under school age, obviously.

This trip may lead on to work in the classroom in the coming weeks, and if your dd misses out on the trip, she might not get all the benefit from the work. And I bet they will have lots of fun too.

I would wrap her up well, plenty of layers and a good, waterproof coat, and let her go. Do you have a flask so you could send her with soup to have at lunchtime?

BMW6 Thu 14-Nov-13 18:52:49

YABU. It's not a trek to the South Pole!
She is a Human Being, not a Tropical Fish......

Sorry - here in the UK. blush

judgejudithjudy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:53:13

op if you take her there "loads" then how do you not know what facilities there are? ps not one person has said yanbu so get over yourself, your dc wont suffer - just dress her in a nice warm coat - poor poppet missing out cause the mums a loon!

My kids are still surfing & getting changed in car parks (& in spring rather than winter suits). It's really not that cold yet. The younger ones at ds3's school spend every Friday afternoon outside.

Two pairs of socks, layers, hat, gloves, waterproofs if they're sitting on damp ground - she'll be fine. Much healthier than inside sharing sneezy germs. My ds3 used to get cold quite easily - in his case the key to keeping him happy was warm dry feet. So he'd have two pairs of socks, wellie warmers & ski trousers over the top of trousers.

0utnumbered Thu 14-Nov-13 18:54:47

If you have chosen to send her to school rather than home school her then she needs to go, it's not optional. If it is gale force winds and torrential rain on the day then I can imagine the trip would be cancelled.

Sounds a bit PFB to me sorry

Bue Thu 14-Nov-13 18:55:03

Oh for god's sake. This is beyond ridiculous. I grew up in a part of Canada where the average minimum temperature is -14. Our school authority had an outdoor education centre where we routinely spent full days, including in winter. All you need to do is dress your child appropriately.

galwaygirl Thu 14-Nov-13 18:55:11

I don't get why the Sweden example isn't applicable? We are in Sweden and have friends in Stockholm whose DD goes to a preschool that is permanently outside.
We just moved here so I understand the nervousness you feel I think. I've spent ages looking into what my two year old needs to wear when she will be outside in sub zero temps.
As others have said the key is layers but what I didn't know was that cotton is a bad idea, wool and polyester are recommended. Something to do with cotton getting damp.
Layer her up and she will have a fab time :-)

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 14-Nov-13 18:56:47

I would really love to know what country or planet MLB lives in that she is exempt from abiding by all the laws.

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:57:08

Why do certain posters keep mentioning the 'law'. Its ridiculous. All OP has to do is phone school and say dd is not well............whats the big deal in doing that for one bloody day.
ffs no parent phones the school and says "im keeping my child off today for no good reason, therefore i know i will expect a fine". If parents need/want to take their child out of school for one day there are plenty of excuses they could make to the school. Have any of you ever done it? bet you bloody have

SilverApples Thu 14-Nov-13 18:57:22

Oh dear, do you still welcome opinions OP, or are they not the ones you were expecting?
The decision is yours, and it sounds as if you have made it already.

SoupDragon Thu 14-Nov-13 18:59:30

All OP has to do is phone school and say dd is not well............whats the big deal in doing that for one bloody day

It's called lying. Are you one of those people who think lying is OK?

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:59:39

Youre breaking the school law for one day is hardly the end of the world

NHShasbrokenme Thu 14-Nov-13 19:00:17

OP - do you understand what people mean about layers and do you actually have suitable clothing in the house? I certainly don't have 'thermal base layes' lying around hmm I would do the best I could but say to the teachers at drop off that if she gets cold, call me and I will pick her up. Then at the end of school if she is distressed and they didn't call you can take this up and improve things for next time but at least you take the chance she might have a good time iyswim.

SoupDragon Thu 14-Nov-13 19:00:38

If they are walking to and from the woods, they will be toasty warm.
If they aren't, why the hell not?!

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 14-Nov-13 19:01:12

But it's an absolutely pathetic reason to lie! This is ridiculous!

Fleta Thu 14-Nov-13 19:01:16

No mylovelyboy. I haven't. My daughter is in Year 2. She started part time school at 2 and full time at 3. She has 100% attendance. Yup, really. She hasn't missed a day of school since 2009.

And she's done trips and days out, they had "outdoor day" in Kindy, which was as suggested. They did that year round.

I think allowing your child to pick and choose what bits of school they want to do and saying "its ok darling, mummy will lie for you and make it all go away" is a pretty shoddy message and doing your child a massive disservice.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 14-Nov-13 19:01:54

Its not school law MLB. Its uk law. You arent allowed to deprive your children of an education and if you have chosen to send them to school to be educated then keeping them off because you cant be arsed to put two pairs of socks on is depriving them of their education.

Fleta Thu 14-Nov-13 19:02:34

It isn't "school law" it is a legal requirement to educate your child and for your child to be in an education setting when they're 5 unless you opt to home school.

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 19:02:41

I have never kept either DC off school except when they are genuinely ill lovelyboy.

What message would be given to the child if you told the school they were sick when they weren't? confused

Tee2072 Thu 14-Nov-13 19:02:53

Fantastic thing to teach your child, MLB.

It's okay to break the law and the rules if it's only for one day.


If the OP doesn't send her in, and phones in to say her dd is ill, what happens next Monday when her teacher asks her if she is feeling better now, and was she poorly over the weekend, and the OP's dd deploys the stunning honesty that so many children possess, and says, "Oh, I wasn't poorly at all!" - and drops the OP right in it?

The alternative is to tell her dd to lie to the school - and risk her saying "Oh, I wasn't poorly, but mummy said to tell you I was!"

Bowlersarm Thu 14-Nov-13 19:05:10


Send her in.

If it wasn't appropriate, the school wouldn't be doing it.

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 14-Nov-13 19:05:44

PFB to the extreme. Bloody hell, my DD went on activity weekends twice with her school, in the same kind of weather we're having now, and an overnight stay in a forest. Yes, overnight. Guess what? Nobody died, nobody was ill, they all had a fantastic time.

Oh, apart from the ones who didn't go because their parents were too busy worrying their dc couldn't cope with being outside for longer than 10 sodding minutes.

Jesus wept...

SoupDragon Thu 14-Nov-13 19:05:53

It's hardly missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime, we take her there loads

They will be talking about the trip and using things from it in their learning for the coming week. It's not the same as popping up there for a walk oth their parents.

lborolass Thu 14-Nov-13 19:05:57

As you haven't said otherwise I'll assume you're in the UK and imo you're being totally ridiculous. It's still mild, what on earth are you going to do when it's winter? Nothing bad is going to happen to your child, as everyone else has said just make sure she has appropriate clothing.

If she doesn't go to school you're going to reinforce the notion that somehow she mustn't get cold and that's not going to do her any favours as she grows up.

Hulababy Thu 14-Nov-13 19:07:11

No - I have never lied abut why my child is not at school. I always tell the teachers the real reason.

And tbh I'd be wary of lying about it - ime, most children tell the truth when they return. See it every single year with at least 2 or 3 children.

OooWhatToDo Thu 14-Nov-13 19:07:35

Ok, I was asking on behalf of my sister as she's really not sure what to do. I have to say though I wouldn't be too sure either, I know I wouldn't want to be outside all that time with nowhere to warm up, it's bloody freezing here!

Thanks for your opinions though. No need for some of the stronger responses though, I don't think it's that weird to want to send your kid out in the cold. I suppose that's the beauty of MN for you though.

lljkk Thu 14-Nov-13 19:07:40

I would send mine, well wrapped. Cold kids whine & last thing teachers want to deal with is a mob of whiners, they'll take precautions.

FannyFifer Thu 14-Nov-13 19:08:14

My Playgroup age children from when they were 2 1/2 did "natures kindergarten" sessions which were in the woods, in Scotland, in the winter.

Just wrap her up. It's not even cold yet though.

giraffeseatpineapples Thu 14-Nov-13 19:08:21

If it really is too cold they will cancel the trip, my children have had cold play times where they have had to stay in as it was too cold.

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 19:09:14

Where in the world are you Ooo? and how old is the DC in question?

Fleta Thu 14-Nov-13 19:09:22

They will be doing work based around the trip for the next half term. Can you imagine all the fun stuff the poor little mite will miss out on sad

*Add message | Report | Message poster Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 18:29:42
There is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing What a fucking stupid comment.*

And with that you single-handedly dismiss the tenets of millions of people in dozens of cold countries. Wow. Closed-minded much!

Bowlersarm Thu 14-Nov-13 19:10:02

Ok, OP tell your sister the overwhelming MN opinion is for her to send her dd in, appropriately dressed. As all the other mums will be doing.

Hulababy Thu 14-Nov-13 19:11:00

If parents need/want to take their child out of school for one day there are plenty of excuses they could make to the school.

I'v always told the truth. DD had a day off as she was jet lagged from a long haul flight. I told them that. School were fine. I didn't lie. DD didn't then need to keep up a lie.

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 14-Nov-13 19:11:27


She does that on pretty much every thread she's on. Some people just like to be the 'edgy' one who disagrees with what everyone else is saying! grin.

Tee2072 Thu 14-Nov-13 19:11:46

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Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 19:13:11

I hope the little girl has a lovely time with all her friends in the forest.

Feenie Thu 14-Nov-13 19:13:29

There is no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing confused What a fucking stupid comment. Keep her off if you are not happy. At that age they do not always have the sense to do their coats up. And the teachers wont bother with checking that. OP.

Of course they won't - in fact, it's the first thing they learn in teacher training - never bother checking coats. hmm

Feenie Thu 14-Nov-13 19:14:13

Yes, beginning to spot a distinct pattern with MLB.

Coconutty Thu 14-Nov-13 19:14:34

Tee, so I am.

I agree with you.

CaterpillarCara Thu 14-Nov-13 19:15:00

I think the idea of keeping a child off for this is utterly ridiculous unless they are unwell. Honestly and truly, get some decent clothes and make use of them over the winter. If you don't own them, there is plenty of time to borrow them. Primark thermals are great and cheap. Tights can be doubled up under trousers. It is not hard.

Coconutty Thu 14-Nov-13 19:15:06

So am I. Been a long day.

lborolass Thu 14-Nov-13 19:15:09

Where is your sister? I've watched the BBC weather forecast for tomorrow and they are saying temps between 8 and 10 so hardly freezing.

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 14-Nov-13 19:16:20

Feenie - tiresome, isn't it?

poshme Thu 14-Nov-13 19:16:31

Send her.
My 5 yr old coped outside all day in temps down to -9 because she was dressed appropriately and keeping active (skiing).
Teachers will not keep cold children outside as they will start to be unhappy whiney children. Trust the teachers.

monicalewinski Thu 14-Nov-13 19:16:43

YAB Completely U and PFB.

What about when the snow comes? Will you send a note requesting she is kept in at playtimes as she 'feels the cold'?

My boys play rugby and football outdoors in freezing temperatures, wind and rain and have done for a few years now. Layer up the clothing and make sure she has hat, scarf and gloves and she'll be fine.

You do realise that there are children who survive in very cold climates?!

SilverApples Thu 14-Nov-13 19:17:23

I'm a scary Y6 teacher. I love the way that when I'm on duty, some miniscule dot comes up and says 'My button came out. Put it back' smile

Yes, EY spend a lot of time buttoning and buttoning and unravelling and jumpering small people to keep them comfortable.
I'm startled by how many parents don't send their child with a coat.

CaterpillarCara Thu 14-Nov-13 19:18:03

I should add, my son with 89 others is doing a three night outdoorsy trip in mid-January. I am fully expecting it to be cold. I also fully expect him to have a ball.

Quoteunquote Thu 14-Nov-13 19:18:43

thick socks,
trousers/sweat pants(not jeans)

long sleeved t-shirt
thin jumper,or(micro fleece)
cardigan,or(micro fleece)
thick jumper, or(thick fleece)

coat, or puffer gilet, with waterproof, which helps keep wind chill out, waterproof trousers will keep her toasty.

Hat that covers the ears, scarf, gloves, wellys.

I doubt they will sit still, just layer her up so she can take things on and off easily, send lots of carb snacks,hot soup in a flask.

Honestly it really good for children to be outside, it is dangerous to install in them it should be avoided.

havingastress Thu 14-Nov-13 19:21:35

Oh for goodness sake!

My sister lives in Canada, and her kids go to school in minus 300! (exaggeration but you get my point)

No such thing as too cold in this country. Just poor clothing. Dress her up in layers. Make sure she has hat/gloves/scarf etc.

Seriously. We're hardly in the artic circle! grin

OooWhatToDo Thu 14-Nov-13 19:31:53

Jeez it's hardly fake is it! Don't get yourself too wound up over an anonymous forum hmm

Thanks for all the useful advice though.

My daughter has spent the day playing in the nursery garden wearing appropriate clothing.

She's 18 months. I think school aged kids will be fine.

jellybeans Thu 14-Nov-13 19:35:53

How old are they? I am very overprotective but would probably be Ok with it. Mine do forest schools whatever the weather.

"sister" yeah right

Tee2072 Thu 14-Nov-13 19:37:10

The child is 5. The OP has said that. RTFT

And it is fake. It's a lie to say it's your child when it isn't. Why bother to tell us it wasn't your child if it doesn't matter?

Oh why do I bother.

I agree Tee

OooWhatToDo Thu 14-Nov-13 19:38:23

I don't know, why do you?

Yankeecandlequeen Thu 14-Nov-13 19:46:19

Let her go & have fun! Wrap her up & she'll forget how cold it is once she has fun!


SilverApples Thu 14-Nov-13 19:51:16

I suppose I bother because I'm hoping to cut down on the numbers of over-anxious and untrusting parents who are suspicious and hostile.
As well as hoping that a small child will get the chance to have a fun experience with friends and without mummy. For once.

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 19:54:45

Apologies for not RTFT (or one post) and not knowing the child was 5.

jacks365 Thu 14-Nov-13 20:01:25

Can you name the woods involved. It may be that someone knows the centre and can put your mind at rest. There are woods near us that have an education centre but because of where they are situated they aren't obvious and another wood has a centre that is only opened for school groups.

Feenie Thu 14-Nov-13 20:14:16

Yep. Very.

steeking Thu 14-Nov-13 20:15:58

Is this a genuine enquiry or a wind up ?

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 20:16:06

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YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 14-Nov-13 20:19:32

Teachers dont hve a legal responsibility to educate my child. I do. Teachers do have a right to strike.

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 14-Nov-13 20:19:45

Totally relevant...

Sparklingbrook Thu 14-Nov-13 20:20:14

Eh? MLB what has that got to do with anything? Why would any of us kick off about that on a thread about a school trip? confused

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 14-Nov-13 20:20:49

There's novel!

because some people aren't bright enough to form a coherent argument so goad and shit stir instead

Tinlegs Thu 14-Nov-13 20:22:06

Highly likely that this is woods south of the Watford gap. Some, of our children are NOT in Sweden but just in colder (and wetter) parts of the UK. They go outside. Skin is waterproof. Clothing keeps you warm and dry. For goodness sake, YABU to even have to ask.

Or your sister is unreasonable. Or you both are.

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 14-Nov-13 20:22:45

Indeed hobnobs - have written a rather lengthy report on this actually!

candycoatedwaterdrops Thu 14-Nov-13 20:24:01

"My child."
"No I mean my sister's child. It's the same thing!"


jellyboatsandpirates Thu 14-Nov-13 20:25:44

I haven't read all the replies, just the first couple of pages. I feel your pain with the worrying, as I'm one of those myself.
I'm cacking myself about a residential trip next year, but realise I have to let him go on it as I did it and loved it at that age.
A trip to the woods though? They'll be fine. There'll be plenty of teachers, and just wrap them up warm. Thick coat, hat, scarves, gloves.

sneezecakesmum Thu 14-Nov-13 20:32:36

I'm sure the teachers and TAs will manage the situation. Frankly if they are freezing their tits off they will organise hot drinks and a warmer area. They're hardly going to sit in a warm hut watching a bunch of freezing kids outside!

Mushypeasandchipstogo Thu 14-Nov-13 20:32:55

Yep YRBVVU ! Dress her up warmly and let her go. If it is too cold and wet I am sure that the teachers won't want to freeze either.

mumbaisapphire Thu 14-Nov-13 20:38:36

I'm not sure where you are in the UK, but a nationwide forecast on the BBC shows lows of 4 degrees in Manchester at 9am, with temperatures rising to 6 degrees by midday, and 7 degrees by 3pm. Cardiff, London, Edinburgh and Belfast all have better forecasts. Where are you based that it will be 3 degrees ALL DAY?

Even if it is 3 degrees all day tomorrow, it won't matter. Dress her in suitable clothing and she will be fine. I'm sure the shelter they have provided is adequate and they will be able to go there and eat there lunch and escape the elements. I think you are unnecessarily worried.

olympicsrock Thu 14-Nov-13 20:55:25

Just wrap her up in cotton wool, oh sorry I see you've already done that...

FudgefaceMcZ Thu 14-Nov-13 20:56:04

YABU. There's snow on the mountains near us and 4yo is still refusing to put on coat most of the time; they don't care if it's fecking freezing at that age, as long as they are getting to run around and cover themselves in mud. You do realise that up to about 50 years ago, most homes in the UK didn't have central heating, right? Most people didn't die, so it's not an actual need. Maybe get some hot chocolate in for after school treat though.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Thu 14-Nov-13 20:59:04

Of course she should go. Take off the cotton wool and wrap her up in a warm coat, hat and gloves.

judgejudithjudy Thu 14-Nov-13 21:26:46

pmsl @ cotton wool - no, keep it on til spring ;-)

Canthaveitall Thu 14-Nov-13 21:31:25

Wrap her up she will be fine. It's the UK not Norway.

BristleWorm Thu 14-Nov-13 21:33:55

Lord, let your kids LIVE a little for goodness sakes!

UnicornsNotRiddenByGrownUps Thu 14-Nov-13 21:58:27

YABU completely. Kids go to scout camp at this time of year and are outside all weekend and sleep outside too.

gimcrack Thu 14-Nov-13 23:02:18

She will be fine.

If she usually complains if being cold when taken to the woods, she's either underdressed or bored. She shouldn't be either on the school trip.

redshifter Fri 15-Nov-13 07:42:29

FGS. Too precious. Relax

killpeppa Fri 15-Nov-13 08:38:23

yet another bullshit thread.

if its you daughter say daughter, if its your niece your a bit of a weirdo for calling her your daughter instead of niece.

hope you got the message that this is ridiculous.

pianodoodle Fri 15-Nov-13 08:39:06

The mornings are starting off cold but even in the past half hour it has warmed up a good bit.

Even if it didn't, it can't be less than 3-4 degrees that's definitely not weather to worry about smile

pianodoodle Fri 15-Nov-13 08:40:39

I don't see why it matters really if the OP is asking on behalf of someone else.

It doesn't change the responses it's still the same question grin

Joysmum Fri 15-Nov-13 08:41:56

So said that you have such little faith in the school.

They are more experienced with children than we parents and it's in their best interests to ensure they don't have a class of 30+ kids who are cold and not getting anything from the trip.

mrsjay Fri 15-Nov-13 08:47:35

it is a wee bit chilly not the antartic put her hat on and I hope she has a nice time and I am sure the staff will judge the temp so they dont get hypothermia to cold

bonkersLFDT20 Fri 15-Nov-13 08:49:36

I'd let mine go. My 4 yo is at forest school this morning. Granted it's only for the morning, but they LOVE it. Loads of layers, water proofs (in all weathers), gloves, hat. They won't just be sitting around, they'll be running around having masses of fun.

I think it's great that schools take children outside. It's beautiful out there today. Sunny and cold with little wind. They will soon be roasty.

AllThatGlistens Fri 15-Nov-13 08:52:39

I love that apparently parents of children in Sweden have opinions that aren't applicable in this situation..

Yes, because clearly they have no experience of children being outdoors in cold weather grin

Dressed in appropriate clothing, she won't get cold.

AnnieJanuary Fri 15-Nov-13 10:14:30

Where on earth do you live? It's cold weather, not poison. There are people in Siberia who still put on a coat and go outside. Think of Canada and Alaska and Russia. We in Britain don't know real cold.

zatyaballerina Fri 15-Nov-13 13:59:09

Lined winter boots, thermal vest, thermal tights, top, winter coat, hat, gloves.... dress her for the weather. My two year old is out most of the day in all weather, they won't get sick if appropriately dressed and running around warms them up anyway.

allmycats Fri 15-Nov-13 14:38:45

It's not even properly cold yet FGS
Still, your child, your choice. The poor little bugger will miss out on the experience that the others children are having and all the classroom
follow up work. But, of course you know better than all the other mums of the kids who are going.
What will you do with the child when it really gets cold - are you planning on trying to hibernate ?

imnotwhoyouthinkiam Fri 15-Nov-13 14:57:32

2 (or possibly 3( years ago, we camped for a weekend in November. There was a field and an unheated barn. No hot water to warm up in the evening (unless I used my dads caravan shower, which meant a quick shower not a long hot soak). Ds2 was 4 or 5 at the time.

It was freezing, we didn't take our coats or hats off ay all, all weekend. But it was fine. Yabu

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