that a decorator should not ask

(91 Posts)
PTFO Thu 14-Nov-13 12:37:08

me to make his lunch for him then sit at the top of the stairs eating in?

Hes painting the bathroom. He asked if he could have his lunch- yes fine. He asked if I had a microwave- no I don't why do you ask? oh er could you just bung my spag bog in a pan and heat it through for really its frozen solid. yes thanks...he then helped himself to a bowl and fork to add to my washing up. oh and he knew which cupboard had the bowls in straight away but he does appear to be washing said bowl up...

I might ask he lives five mins away...

bragmatic Thu 14-Nov-13 12:39:24

I think I'd have heated it up for him. He can't eat it frozen solid, obviously.

EeyoreIsh Thu 14-Nov-13 12:39:52

Erm, that's a bit off! The using your microwave is ok, but not going through your cupboards!

We're having work done at the moment, made a cup of tea then left the house for two hours. When we came back they'd helped themselves to fresh mugs, coffee, tea, sugar etc. I don't mind if I'm out for the day but I'd leave things out so they're not going through cupboards.

bragmatic Thu 14-Nov-13 12:40:24

I agree it's strange to ask….I'd expect a polite "do you mind if I heat it up in a pan". Rather than ask you to do it.

He asked, and washed up after himself. I wouldn't mind.

Oh I didn't notice that, yes it's a but weird that he wanted you to do it for him!

Gossipyfishwife Thu 14-Nov-13 12:42:52

What is your problem? That he should ask you to heat his food (you did not "make it " if he brought it) or that he should sit at the top of the stairs to eat it. Ok I find eating it at the top of the stairs a little odd. Maybe he felt uncomfortable using your kitchen or dining room.
So on balance I think you may be a teensie weensie bit unreasonable.

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 12:45:18

what a prick cheek.
Where do these people get off. Will be bringing his washing round next.

Mylovelyboy Thu 14-Nov-13 12:46:30

I would not expect my decorator to start cooking in my kitchen. He should have bought some sandwiches and gone and eaten them in his van............the bastard grin

bragmatic Thu 14-Nov-13 12:46:59

See, the thing is, I can't see a female tradesperson asking the home owner to prepare their lunch. Asking if they could use the kitchen facilities, fine. But not actually asking them to actually heat it up.

In the grand scheme of life in general, it's not exactly barbaric. Just a bit…unyewshual.

bragmatic Thu 14-Nov-13 12:47:32

^^ 1 to many actuallys.

bragmatic Thu 14-Nov-13 12:47:46

too many.

I'll bugger off now.

icingmyback Thu 14-Nov-13 12:49:50

he's not a houseguest! he should sort out his own lunch. fair enough if he'd forgotten a fork, but he packed his lunch this morning expecting you to help him to prepare it. what if you'd been out/busy/ill/cleaning your cooker?
i'd have heated it for him, but i'd have been annoyed.

EeyoreIsh Thu 14-Nov-13 12:50:42

To me the problem wouldn't be wanting to use your facilities, it's the helping himself and expecting you to do the heating up!

littlewhitebag Thu 14-Nov-13 12:53:35

I suppose he brought the spag bol expecting you would have a microwave. It was bit rude of him to ask you to heat it up though. He could have asked if you minded giving him a pot and a wooden spoon to heat to through himself. Then he should have washed up his things.

BarbarianMum Thu 14-Nov-13 12:56:27

I don't think you can say you made his lunch - chucking something in the microwave to heat up is hardly cooking is it?

As for asking you to heat it up, that makes sense to me cause you're the one who knows how it works, what strength it is etc. But I have an odd microwave that requires initiation, maybe yoursis more straightforward?

If it bothers you, tell him no. Personally I'd have no problem with it.

Mumbrage Thu 14-Nov-13 12:57:32

yeh, the painter and decorator breached etiquette. this thread is so english. I love it!

Mim78 Thu 14-Nov-13 12:57:41

I would have given him a pan and whatever he needed to get on with it. I would have pointed out the things he needed for his washing up. I would also have explained that we only eat in the kitchen in our house.

I don't think it's wrong of him to bring spag bol per se, but yes to expecting you to do the heating up.

If I am working from home (which I will be if I am there during the day) I do show builders etc where the tea making facilities are and any biscuits I might have rather than making it for them, because I am working too!

PTFO Thu 14-Nov-13 13:07:07

I thought it odd, all workmen previously have brought a packed lunch and eaten it in the van or gone out for lunch..

Im in the middle of something really important and I just didn't want the hassle, I felt like his bloody mother and like I say he lives only five mins away. ( im also in a bad mood!)

oh and soo important that I had time to post on mn :-)

I did heat it up then left him to it...talking to his wife on his mobile at the top of the stairs.

KellyElly Thu 14-Nov-13 13:07:11

I haven't had workmen in my home before but at work they all bring their own tea/coffee in a flask and go out for lunch or eat in their vans. Every single one of them - and we have many contractors coming and going because of the nature of the business. They use the loo and that's it. I don't think YABU.

PTFO Thu 14-Nov-13 13:13:24

mumbrage that made me laugh! oh so VERY English.

KerwhizzedMyself Thu 14-Nov-13 13:14:34

YANBU. But why didnt you just say no?

spindlyspindler Thu 14-Nov-13 13:17:04

My main issue with it is that I can't see him asking a bloke to prepare it for him. I'd have told him that I was busy but he was free to use the kitchen.

ninilegsintheair Thu 14-Nov-13 13:17:43

Is he trying to save on his gas bill perhaps by adding to yours? grin

fluffyraggies Thu 14-Nov-13 13:24:23

At least he actually works (when he's not eating).

I have 'the talking electrician' coming round in an hour. I am actually dreading it. He'll be working in two rooms of the house again and i swear to God if you go anywhere near him he starts to talk at you and doesn't draw breath for half an hour.

DH thought i was exagerating when i told him about it. DH is good at getting on with his own business and being blunt about it. Even he couldn't stem the tide of talk coming from the bloke when he was working here last.

(no choice about tradesmen - he's one of our land-lords friends hmm) (just wonder if land-lord knows how much of his money is going towards chin wag time)

Onefewernow Thu 14-Nov-13 13:26:38

I can't say I would have lost sleep over it.

Rooners Thu 14-Nov-13 13:26:42

I knew one that spent the day getting drunk and eating cornish pasties on the couch of the house he was decorating. They called him later and made him come back and hoover it.

Serves him right.

CiderBomb Thu 14-Nov-13 13:27:09

Very odd, and yes a bit rude and presumptuous. Most work men will either pop to the shops and grab a pasty or some fish and chips, or bring a packed lunch with them.

captainmummy Thu 14-Nov-13 13:30:23

so How did he know which cupboard had the bowls in?

Bowlersarm Thu 14-Nov-13 13:35:18

Very odd. Decoraters in my experience only expect tea/coffee at regular intervals.

PTFO Thu 14-Nov-13 15:26:24

captainmummy- that was my thought too, lucky first guess? Found the forks first time too...bit worried as I had to pop out earlier...

my dh came home and laughed his head off when I told him and said "you do pick'em" but admitted he is a bit odd.

Lets hope he didn't bring dinner too!

daisychain01 Thu 14-Nov-13 15:45:03

Hi PTFO. Our decorator has been over a few times since we moved in here in April and almost treats it like home from home now. He even said "I love coming round to yours, it's great!". To start with we were kinda hmmm....right... things like we know it's home time because he always goes and puts the kettle on beforehand < nice cuppa for the road > and he brought his little 2year old son over to meet us.

He hasn't asked me to heat up his spag-bol yet, though. That's a good'un. I guess it depends on whether he is doing an amazing job of your decorating and you want to reward him for a job well done! Difficult isn't it...

Actually I was going to do an AIBU thread about what people think about workmen asking to use our loo... I must admit I am really hmm about that. I feel really mean but I can't stand the thought of a #2. <heave>. Should I make a laminated sign saying "NO HEAVY USE" or something ? Found a big lunker in there one day <TMI>

daisychain01 Thu 14-Nov-13 15:50:18

BTw our decorator wasn't to blame for the #2. He wasn't in that day.

..and I was just about to type "just wanted to clear that up " but changed my mind grin

daisychain01 Thu 14-Nov-13 16:02:04

Just remembered that our decorator said he prefers chockie Hobnobs to Digestives

<MUG tattooed on forehead>

dorothyparka Thu 14-Nov-13 16:06:08

So he made a minor faux pasta—maybe he's just not well versed in spaghettiquettegrin

valiumredhead Thu 14-Nov-13 16:10:16

I make my 'men' bacon buttiesgrin

Well, deduct the going hourly rate for the length of time you spent doing his lunch.

WorraLiberty Thu 14-Nov-13 16:13:39

It is a bit odd but nothing I'd lose sleep over, considering he just assumed you had a microwave.

But it's no more odd than you saying you 'made his lunch' for him and he 'added to your washing up', when neither are true.

TBH it wouldn't bother me - he bought his lunch just wanted it warmed up. I would expect him to bring his own container for eating it in and cutlery and take them away with him - Because that is what I would do.
Well actually I would have taken sandwiches..

In my business we employ tradesmen we would not Expect and NOT want customers to feed the men (while the are eating they are not working).

We would definitely tell our work man NOT to do that again if they were working for us. Because obviously some people would find it rude, even though as I said it wouldn't bother me.

Also - helping yourself to clients cups, tea, milk sugar and creating a mess while they are out is terrible, it is unprofessional. Again the guys who work for us don't do that and we would not be pleased if we found they did.

Actually it is very rare for the to even use the customers toilet.

Sometimes when we are working on big jobs, where clients are out and perhaps it is the middle of nowhere we arrange with the client that we will make our drinks. We bring everything - own cups, cutlery, own kettle, milk, coffee, and a tray.

daisychain01 Thu 14-Nov-13 16:51:49

MrsTara so don't your chaps need to use the toilet all day? All those cups of tea... must be camels.

diddl Thu 14-Nov-13 16:55:50

If he lives so close-why wouldn't he go home?

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Thu 14-Nov-13 16:57:12

I think there's a clear difference between him asking to use your microwave/hob to heat his lunch, and asking you to heat it for him.

But then again, maybe he asked because he was nervous about using your hob in case he did it wrong?

D011Y Thu 14-Nov-13 17:04:01

I always offer mine bacon sandwiches. You sound weird and very petty.

southeastastra Thu 14-Nov-13 17:04:59

buy a tradesperson's microwave, on another thread on here someone had a tradesman's loo grin

treas Thu 14-Nov-13 17:05:58

My main issue with it is that I can't see him asking a bloke to prepare it for him. I'd have told him that I was busy but he was free to use the kitchen.

Really? - He asked the person who owns the house who was there. He'd have done the same if "the man of the house" had been in. Poor sod was trying to be polite. Plus not all cooker hobs are the same so he wouldn't necessarily have known how to use it.

Why do people treat trades people unpleasantly, they are doing a job for you so you want them to do a good job. You catch more flies with honey - and often get a discount if you are pleasant to work for

GuffSmuggler Thu 14-Nov-13 17:12:43

fluffy grin I had a talker AND someone who I had to make lunch for everyday once (actually prepare from scratch).

Word of advice, never actually offer lunch because you feel sorry for them, it sets a precedent!! (I'd never had a workman in before, I didn't know the rules) Urgh I had to make lunch for over a week for him.


unlucky83 Thu 14-Nov-13 17:14:38

I think he probably thought it wouldn't be a hassle to microwave it for him. The pan probably threw him and he was a bit hmm about using your kitchen whilst you were in the house.
Also he might have thought you'd be out...he could just pop it in the micro.
I think he would have asked a bloke too...
I make workmen tea etc - and in new house (empty being renovated) have a little 'kitchen' area - mugs, kettle, tea, coffee, sugar and a microwave...I have been know to let them in and go down to shop to buy milk and biscuits for them (maybe that makes me a mug?). Most of them are surprised and have brought a flask. (some wash their mugs - some don't - know which ones I like best smile )
One workman annoyed me a bit - left in house on his own threw his rubbish (banana skin, empty juice cartons, sandwich wrapper etc) in a cardboard box - I assume he thought it was the rubbish bin -actually it was spare bulbs, instructions for alarm, smoke alarms etc left by the electricians - I didn't realise what had happened for a few weeks - my alarm instructions have rotting banana skin marks on them sad!
I will say DP in this house makes them endless cups of tea and huge stonking sandwiches as 'snacks' - I think that is a bit OTT (most don't need encouragement to have a break ...don't mind if paying for job -do if by the hour...)

ohmymimi Thu 14-Nov-13 17:23:08

treas Hear, hear!

PTFO Thu 14-Nov-13 20:28:30

..well I popped out and left my dh with him. When I came home my dh said he packed up his gear, loaded up the van reversed out the driveway, changed his mind, drove back in. walked straight back in the house and back to the bathroom saying "I thought I could make it (home) but I can't" and proceed to use the loo...

again he lives five mins away if that. he's just a bit odd...we shall see what tomorrow brings!

Rubybrazilianwax Thu 14-Nov-13 20:43:00

I wouldnt have heated it because there's no way I wouldn't have offered him lunch in the first place. I always provide lunch and cups of tea for anyone working at the house. But we are very hospitable here

Rubybrazilianwax Thu 14-Nov-13 20:45:50

In fact when the guys were building our house we brought them fish and chips out to the site on quite a few Fridays, and dh actually bbq for 20 plus tradesmen when the build was near finishing. Jeepers I even offer the window cleaner a cuppa

Lilacroses Thu 14-Nov-13 20:47:37

I would find that weird and annoying....the rooting about for pans would be the worst part..not sure why but I agree with you. Not a huge deal but it would put me off him!

sandfrog Thu 14-Nov-13 20:47:58

YANBU. He should have brought sandwiches, not something which is going to involve using someone else's microwave, stove etc.

ICameOnTheJitney Thu 14-Nov-13 20:49:36

Good God. YABU.

What kind of world do we live in when people who compared to many, have EVERYTHING and they begrudge putting someone's food in a pan??

ICameOnTheJitney Thu 14-Nov-13 20:50:30

I might another world...many moons away, people think of others and do kind things just because they's not like he asked you to PROVIDE the food.

ICameOnTheJitney Thu 14-Nov-13 20:51:11

All those saying "He should have brought sandwiches" he was probably eating leftovers from his dinner the night before. Some people HAVE to do this.

tinmug Thu 14-Nov-13 21:05:15

YABU. Did you honestly, genuinely mind? Seriously? Really? Your life is intriguing.

Hairytoes Thu 14-Nov-13 21:10:06

I have found that a little kindness goes a long way with tradesmen. Maybe thats why They always answer a phonecall from me on the day I ring, have been known to work on Saturdays and Sundays just to fit us in, and our plumber even popped round for a small problem that he probably could have talked us through over the phone on a bank holiday just before a family party!
My secret?
A choice of salmon and cream cheese bagels, or 'naice ham' in a fresh crusty roll from Waitrose, as many cups of Nespresso coffee as they can drink, unlimited coke to help themselves from in the fridge, loads of biscuits, and if its the weekend they get the full english breakfast (much to my DH's pleasure as well.
Win win in my book!

Rubybrazilianwax Thu 14-Nov-13 21:28:02

Exactly hairytoes anyone who comes over my door is afforded every curtesy no matter who they are

TotallyBenHanscom Thu 14-Nov-13 21:37:13

It's just basic human kindness isn't it? Someone is in your home, whether they are honoured guests or tradesmen, you look after them. We always offer tea, biscuits, lunch etc. And of course they're welcome to use the loo, because what is the alternative? Drive home?

It makes me sad to think that people can be offended by being asked to heat someone's lunch.

WorraLiberty Thu 14-Nov-13 21:37:36

I think some people get a touch of the 'Hyacinth Bucket Bouquet' when they have work done on their homes hmm

I often heard people taking great pleasure in moaning about the 'Tradesmen' or claiming they 'sacked' their builders.

Errr no you didn't sack them, because you were not their employer.

Hairytoes Thu 14-Nov-13 21:38:36

Our carpenter even picked my washing in for me when it rained whilst I was out!!!

LineRunner Thu 14-Nov-13 21:51:41

I ended up giving my builder more than a hot lunch.

Hairytoes Thu 14-Nov-13 22:01:33

I do draw the line at that shock

LimitedEditionLady Thu 14-Nov-13 22:41:00

I dont think id mind that really although the builders etc i have used seem to go out or sit in their van for lunch but i wouldnt care if they sat in the kitchen tbh cos ive been lucky to have really pleasant tradesmen

Viviennemary Thu 14-Nov-13 22:45:11

I suppose most people have a microwave so he probably just assumed you'd have one. But you didn't. So he couldn't eat his lunch frozen. I'm easily annoyed. grin But on the grand scheme of things I don't think this is that bad! Though I would probably have a moan about it.

VenusDeWillendorf Thu 14-Nov-13 23:00:06

Anyone I have working in my house, leaves at lunch time to sort themselves out. AND they aren't allowed to use the bathrooms - they can use their initiative.
I work from home and don't take lunch at lunch time- last thing I want is some hairy arsed electrician of plumber mooching around when I'm at work.

Most of the people who have done work for me arrive on time, and leave the place clean. I have carefully filleted the lists of trades people based on their general respectfulness, and cleanliness and if they are good time keepers. I assume they can do a good job.

We had one plumber who used all the clean laundered towels to mop up the leaks he caused by over draining the system!
An electrician who pissed on the loo seat and floor, and didn't clean it- after that no one is allowed to use the bathrooms. There are plenty of places around where they can go.
We live in a very lively town. If we were in the middle of nowhere, and there were no alternatives, I might think differently.

I leave glasses of water out on a tray so they can whet their whistles, but the kitchen is off limits.

I'm not a very hyacinth person, but cleaning up a grown mans piss was just a step too far for me. <shudder>

livinginwonderland Thu 14-Nov-13 23:41:20

I can't believe people don't let builders or whatever use the bathroom. That's just despicably rude in my opinion. If someone is in your home and doing work for you, the least you can do is make them a cup of tea/coffee and let them use the facilities.

If someone told me I had to drive or walk off down the road to relieve myself when there was a functional bathroom right there, I'd be quite tempted to drive off and not come back, honestly.

If someone asked to heat up their lunch, I wouldn't mind either. I probably wouldn't do it for them but I'd show them how to use the hob and tell them to help themselves to cutlery/salt/ketchup etc.

ICameOnTheJitney Thu 14-Nov-13 23:48:54

Yes horribly rude! It's basic human decency to let people use the toilet or the sink....the cooker's just a step away from that and where's the issue? I think whoever said that some people have delusions of grandeur where tradespeople are concerned is right!

As for calling them "hairy arsed" Venus how on earth does the condition of their arse affect you? If it IS hairy, that doesn't mean they're LESS than you! So you work at home...big do I...that doesn't mean people can't go about their work around me and use the facilities!

WorraLiberty Thu 14-Nov-13 23:59:54

I'm not a very hyacinth person, but cleaning up a grown mans piss was just a step too far for me. <shudder>

Well your post certainly makes you come across that way.

'Hairy arsed' electrician or plumber?

Someone got piss on your loo seat once and now no tradesmen may use it?

Good lord...

ICameOnTheJitney Fri 15-Nov-13 00:22:52

Im surprised she lets them breathe her air.

WorraLiberty Fri 15-Nov-13 00:26:22

I've got a genuine question for all those who are precious about their toilets.

What if a Midwife, Health Visitor or Doctor visiting your home asked to use the loo?

Would you rudely tell them to go elsewhere too?

fannyfireworks Fri 15-Nov-13 01:19:09

Totally right Worra

fannyfireworks Fri 15-Nov-13 01:22:20

On everything not just that last post

Some people on here sound like horrible human beings.

Selvedge Fri 15-Nov-13 02:00:26

There is surely some middle ground here. I would let a decorator heat their leftover spag bol on my hob (if I had no microwave) on the 1st day of a job, as well as show them the washing up facilities. I would expect them to bring something that didn't require heating on subsequent days. But there is NO WAY I would let said spag bol be eaten on the landing. They are presumably trying to get extra work painting over the tomato splatters.

shrunkenhead Fri 15-Nov-13 02:33:29

Some people seem really snobby about tradespeople! I have no idea why! As someone previously pointed out they'd let a midwife or doctor use the loo. I thought it was basic human kindness to let people use your toilet and to make them feel welcome with tea and biscuits. He only wanted to heat his dinner up. And prob ate it at top of stairs so as to not to be in your way. In my experience if you treat people well they do a good job, clean up after themselves etc so it's in everyone's interests to keep them sweet!

ICameOnTheJitney Fri 15-Nov-13 06:34:44

What about a Nanny Slevedge? Would you let your Nanny heat up her own spag bol on your stove? I bet you would. Both builder and nanny need to spend the day in your it just that builders are men? Or that Nannies are a bit special?

Whatdoiknowanyway Fri 15-Nov-13 06:49:25

I'd have no problem with heating the stuff up. The thing that would upset me would be eating it at the top of the stairs. No food outside of the kitchen in this house and certainly not hot food.

ICameOnTheJitney Fri 15-Nov-13 06:54:18

Well maybe he felt unwelcome.....I agree not the best place to eat but OP should have invited him to use her table.

Thank you everyone for making this a really interesting and entertaining thread - for me anyway.
It is strange really how a tiny minority go to perhaps too much trouble - full english breakfasts, etc...
Most are very live and let live - help yourself - treat my house like you would your own - I am in that group.
Then there is that minority who don't want workers to touch anything in the house not relevant to the job.

My husband and many other professional workers will treat everyone as if they fall into the last group - so as not to offend.

It is well worth being in the other groups, as mentioned - when you do want a tradesman to come out at antisocial hours or for an emergency.
Good tradesmen are in demand and can pick and choose clients. They aren't going to drop everything to help someone who is rude.

sandfrog Fri 15-Nov-13 18:45:09

> Good tradesmen are in demand and can pick and choose clients. They aren't going to drop everything to help someone who is rude.

The customer gets to pick and choose as well. No-one is going to choose a tradesperson who is rude, they'll get another quote from someone else.

Selvedge Fri 15-Nov-13 18:54:26

ICameOnTheJitney I would let the Nanny heat up their spag bol, but would wonder why as we all eat the same meals together in my house. I would, in fact, let the decorator heat up their coq au vin, or whatever, on subsequent days, but would assume that as this is not the convenient option that microwaving is, and armed with this knowledge, they would make other arrangements. I would not be happy that either trades were eating on the landing which is the pertinent point as Whatdoiknowanyway has grasped.
FYI my decorator is a woman and the nanny is a man, so who's the sexist one now?

Mirage Fri 15-Nov-13 19:01:01

As a tradeswoman,I'm shocked at how some of the posters here view us.I can't believe how rude and inhospitable they are.Thank goodness none of my customers are like this!shock

KerwhizzedMyself Fri 15-Nov-13 19:05:11

Inhospitable? Aren't we paying for a service to be done and not paying for our whole house to be used as the trades person fancies? I didn't realise it was part of hiring someone to also let them use whatever they want during the process.

GuffSmuggler Sat 16-Nov-13 09:01:20

I know kerwhizzed it's not like you are inviting them around for a tea party! You are paying for their time!

I think offering a cup of tea and letting them to use your toilet is fair enough but cooking full english breakfasts!? Some of you are bonkers!!

LimitedEditionLady Sat 16-Nov-13 09:20:13

This really got as far as calling people sexist!

LimitedEditionLady Sat 16-Nov-13 09:22:57

In our area there arent enough tradesmen to pick and choose.So its a lot easier for them to be the selective ones.

EnlightenedOwl Sat 16-Nov-13 10:45:42

Wouldn't bother me - they're entitled to something to eat and drink during a working day

TheHeadlessLadyofCannock Sat 16-Nov-13 10:51:05

Someone heating up their lunch is not using the 'whole house' 'as the trades person fancies'. Nor is it a 'tea party'. FFS.

Some of the attitudes on display on here are reprehensible. I always offer tea and biscuits and, while I wouldn't appreciate someone (anyone, tradesperson, midwife, Queen of England...) asking me to heat up their lunch, I don't think it would be beyond me to say 'I'm busy but here's how to use the hob and please feel free to use anything you need – here's the bowls cupboard, here's the cutlery, salt and pepper etc.'

livinginwonderland Sat 16-Nov-13 11:45:47

Letting someone use your toilet and heat up their lunch on their break is hardly letting them use your entire house as they fancy hmm

fluffyraggies Sat 16-Nov-13 12:24:29

My dear Dad was a plumber and my DH is a builder. Tradesmen are fully aware of who are nice folk to work for and who aren't. It is remembered!

And by nice - i mean allowing them to use a tap to fill a bucket. An offer of a cupper every couple of hours if you're home. If not, to be allowed to boil the kettle for their flask. Perhaps to be allowed to use the loo. (In the case of my dad he would often be working right next to the loo anyway - in the case of my DH he is often too dirty to walk around the customers house) Or wash their hands before they eat their sarnies in the van.

A few years a go (B4 DH) i had a big loft conversion done. It took 7 tradesmen 14 weeks working 5/6 days from 8 till 4. The firm worked as a gang. I think i got through a lorry load of Tate&Lyle in those 14 weeks and made about a billion bacon sarnies. I was on first name, 'deep converstaion over the kitchen table' terms with each before the work was finished. Also they would each take turns to come down for a cupper and a bitch about all the others grin

I almost missed them when they left.

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