To hate my neighbours

(73 Posts)
slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 15:04:58

We put black metal sheeting on the gates to stop the dog barking at anyone who walks past, now they've reported me to the council. I spent a lot of money having the sheets soldered on and sprayed not realizing that I needed planning permission.
I hate them, they are so mean AIBU?

JinglingRexManningDay Mon 11-Nov-13 15:10:41

YABU to hate them over your lack of planning permission.

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 15:13:27

Its not just that its lots of other things too. I had my trees pruned they asked the tree expert to cut their side and put it on my bill, even though the tree is in their garden.
Theyre horrid

ineedanexcuse Mon 11-Nov-13 15:15:05

If its your tree its your responsibility to cut it no matter where the branches are.

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 15:15:46

Is this a piss take?

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 15:17:20

Its their tree.

Why is it a piss take?

Icelollycraving Mon 11-Nov-13 15:17:28

I haven't been on mn much over the last few days. Is this a current in joke? hmm

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 15:19:35

'I hate them they are so mean'

You sound like a child. You didn't seek planning permission and now you're facing the consequences, it's life.

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 15:22:33

Thats because I am sick of nasty jealous neighbours. I dont understand people with that bitter tattle tail mentality. I couldnt care less what others do to their own house and I would never report anyone to the council.

JinglingRexManningDay Mon 11-Nov-13 15:22:42

Why did you pay for a tree that is not on your property?

clam Mon 11-Nov-13 15:26:19

I don't understand why you were having their tree pruned then? Or why "your" tree surgeons would have undertaken additional work for them when they were meant to be working for you? Tell them (the tree guys) that you didn't authorise the extra as they didn't run it past you, so you're not going to pay.

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 15:26:30

Their branches where hanging over my garden, its a big oak tree and needed pruning.

fromparistoberlin Mon 11-Nov-13 15:28:33

why is everyone talking about the tree when she posted about a fence

yanbu, i hate your neighbours. cunts

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 15:28:35

Thats because I am sick of nasty jealous neighbours. I dont understand people with that bitter tattle tail mentality. I couldnt care less what others do to their own house and I would never report anyone to the council

Why are they nasty and jealous? Are there any other occasions than this that they've gone against you?

You might not care less but others do, is it an eyesore to them or? To be honest they're probably also pissed off at the fact you've been letting your dogs bark all the time, how come they're in the garden so much?

JinglingRexManningDay Mon 11-Nov-13 15:31:55

So if your neighbours built a huge extension without planning permission you would say nothing?
It was their tree,you had no right to prune it,you also had no right to not abide by planning laws.

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 15:32:15

I dont leave my dog out to bark, I put the sheeting on so he can go outside more often.Its not an eyesore as lots of people in my road have gates with black sheeting.
Yes, they have done lots of other things but I cant post everything on here.

Chopstheduck Mon 11-Nov-13 15:32:18

Tbh it sounds like you need to train your dog so it doesn't bark at every person that walks past, not solder sheets onto the fence.

If you didn't instruct your tree surgeon to undertake the extra work on their tree, then don't pay him for the extra work!

There is def more to this than just these two issues though!

ineedanexcuse Mon 11-Nov-13 15:32:49

Can you start again and explain more clearly what has happened to who and when?

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 15:38:14

Well for one I don't think dogs should be in the front garden anyway if they're barking all the time. Not fair on the people walking past and the neighbours.

Did you let them know you were going to prune the tree?

SarahPercyAndBill Mon 11-Nov-13 15:39:22

doesn't matter. you hired them and if they take instructions from a random neighbor, then they can chase that neighbor for their payment.

clam Mon 11-Nov-13 15:41:45

And you can't prune just one half of a tree. When I had all mine done recently, I went to discuss it with the neighbours concerned. We agreed to split the cost of one that is technically theirs, but has actually self-seeded across the boundary line. All pleasant and reasonable. Just like the other neighbour, who knocked and asked if I minded if they trimmed a bit off my magnolia as it was over-hanging their patio. I said of course not.
Another neighbour often mows my front lawn, as she has her mower out anyway, as I often do back for her and for the guys the other side.
I think it's very important to try to get along with your neighbours.

vtechjazz Mon 11-Nov-13 15:48:32

You can prune anything that overhangs your property, but you have to offer the cuttings back to them.
Can you ask for retrospective planning permission?

clam Mon 11-Nov-13 16:18:46

But if you're talking about an oak tree, which the OP is, and it's sufficiently large to warrant getting guys in to do it properly, you can't just hack off the bits on your side. It needs lopping properly, back to the appropriate size. That needs consultation with neighbours, if it affects their property.

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 16:45:02

slick I agree with you actually. I thought i had got all confused. Read thread about the gate and all the posts are about trees!!!!
What is their problem with the gate. Is it offending them or getting in their way. Fucking load of old busy bodies by the sound of it. Dont blame you for hating them. Planning permission for sheets on gates confused. Hardy and erection grin of a large barn the front garden. Cant fart in this country without having to get permission from the council jobsworths.

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 16:48:29

A lot of dogs bark when people walk past houses. What are you meant to do.......gag it? As long as it does not bark constantly all day and night then cant see the issue

Pancakeflipper Mon 11-Nov-13 16:52:30

How big is this gate to cause offensive? They must be nit-picking unless they can see it very closely from.their property and its ugly/totally out of character for the area/ blocking their daylight.

sue52 Mon 11-Nov-13 16:55:47

The gate thing sounds odd. Is your house listed and therefore needs listed planning consent? I don't allow my dogs in the front in case anyone left the gates open and they got out. As to the tree, you should have come to a mutual understanding about pruning. I do find most conflicts can be avoided by talking rather than seething in silence.

MrsOakenshield Mon 11-Nov-13 16:58:22

sounds like you need to spend some time, effort and probably money training your dog.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to have got a new gate that's not see-through, like a wooden one?

vtechjazz Mon 11-Nov-13 17:05:11

I thought front gates/fences etc couldn't be over 1m high? So estates have an open plan feel?? I know when I wanted to build high fences I was told no out front and 6 foot max out back by my council. Is this the case in your town?

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:05:22

mrsoak she had metal sheets put on the gate and was reported to the council. Would she have been reported to the council if she had put a new gate on? Just wondering really. Still a gate whatever way you look at it

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:09:25

People change gates all the time. Why would OP need planning permission to put a metal sheet on her existing gate? Hardly needs planning permission and plans drawn up. A metal sheet can be no thicker than a few millimetres. If it was an extension or outside building then fair enough. Its a poxy sheet on a gate.

cantdoalgebra Mon 11-Nov-13 17:10:48

You do not generally need planning permission to alter an existing gate, as long as you do not alter the height. Only other considerations would be if the house was listed or was in a Conservation Area - you would need planning permission then. Perhaps there is a restrictive convenant on the house?

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:12:46

OP is the sheet the same size as the gate. ie width and length ? Did you get a sheet the exact size of the gate and just cover it. Or is it really high and blocking out their light confused

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 17:15:12

Unless the dogs are really small I would have thought it would have to be higher than the gate?

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:24:55

strump feel we cannot comment further on this until we all know the height of the gate confused. Then we can all decide reasonable or not to be honest. Sitting here waiting patiently with my tape measure..............grin

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 17:26:19

I dont think OP is coming back grin <awaits patiently>

CanadianJohn Mon 11-Nov-13 17:34:56

What I want to know is, why was the sheet soldered to the gate. Wouldn't it be better brazed, or welded, depending on the material? (misses point of thread>

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:36:07

Hurry up OP. I need a wee.........grin

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:37:16

Canadian you sound like you are in the know!! Get yourself round there. And take a tape measure grin Me and strump are waiting in anticipation

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 17:39:17

Let me elaborate.
We have just moved in to a house we renovated. We put gates up and got planning for this. The dog kept barking whenever another dog walked past (he is a fully trained police dog) I put the sheeting up as to stop the dog barking (this worked) I didnt know that I needed to get permission for the sheeting.
The tree in question had been pruned by the neighbours previously but only on there side so it was lopsided. I pruned my side but they thought they could get there side done for free and asked the surgeon to take some off there side but add it to my bill.
They have been a pain since I moved in constantly popping over to complain about things and ask to look round my house.
I had some fireworks for the children on Saturday night around 7pm they came round and asked if I could stop them as they were watching TV!!!
My gardener accidentally moved a stone outside their house 2 inches they sent me a letter asking if I could move it back.
I like to keep myself to myself I dont want these nosy neighbours constantly harassing me, haven't they got anything better to do?

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 17:42:34

The gates look like this.

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:43:22

Thanks OP this is the information we have all been waiting for. Reading what you have just said I think they are ..................complete and utter bastards. I would hate them as well. Sounds like you have done everything within the 'planning law' re the gate. With regard to the tree, I think they have a cheek. Your are right to be angry.

frogwatcher42 Mon 11-Nov-13 17:47:23

If your gates are that massive, and solid like the picture, why would you need to add metal sheeting to stop the dog barking. Surely it cant see through the gates anyway?


Ilanthe Mon 11-Nov-13 17:48:59

I'd like to know why the sheets need planning permission. Is it because the Council are of the opinion you haven't built in accordance with the original approval? Rather than adding to something existing which would not usually need permission.

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 17:52:05

I'm confused too! frogwatcher

and correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't a fully trained police dog stop barking when it's told to confused

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:52:14

OP just looked at the link. Bloody beautiful. Lovely gates. I know what it is...............they are jealous. I think you have come along, renovated your house. Probably looks absolutely lovely and they have the 'green eye'. I would be more than happy to have a next door neighbour like you. smile

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 17:52:55

I'm very jealous of those gates! Looks like a nice area

digerd Mon 11-Nov-13 17:53:24

If it is a normal sized terrace house, an oak tree near the neighbour's fence is ridiculous. I would not have bought that house.
Yes the law is that the neighbour prunes at their expense what hangs over their side, but this normally relates to shrubs/bushes - trees are a different matter. Your neighbour had a cheek to ask your tree surgeon to trim her tree on her side and bill you for it and has no right at all to insist you pay.shock.

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 17:54:04

My gates are the metal type with railings I couldnt find a picture theyre the same size as the other gates. We applied for planning permission to have the gates this was accepted we didnt get permission for the sheeting there for we are in breech of the original acceptance.

Ilanthe Mon 11-Nov-13 17:56:48

Ah right that makes sense now, not built in accordance with approved plans. You need a minor material or non material amendment application. Ask the Council which. If it's the latter you're pretty much guaranteed a permission.

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:58:13

OP I thought these were your gates and that was your house. I was going to invite myself round for brew

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 18:01:31

Oh thank you Llanthe that's so helpful.

My DH works away a lot and I have 4 children to look after I really dont need this constant hassle from neighbours. It all started when they asked to look inside at what I have done to the house I didn't want them to come in as the place was a tip LOL I think they took offence to this and told the other neighbours I was horrible.

I wish I had never moved here.

digerd Mon 11-Nov-13 18:04:31

Councils are not interested in privately owned properties, unless the fence or hedging is over the height limit, or a neighbour has done something to endanger the public.
We have semis and the passage ways have been gated up to prevent intruders walking through to the back. We do not have gates by the pavement, except one neighbour who has a very short frontage and is of normal height. My council told me this.
Your neighbour sounds horrible and expect the previous owners moved because of them and the oak tree.

Mylovelyboy Mon 11-Nov-13 18:06:36

Op its awful you have to live like this. You have no doubt spent alot of time and effort in creating a lovely family home and you have to endure those muppets next door. I honestly do feel for you thanks

Ilanthe Mon 11-Nov-13 18:11:58

No problem OP, us Council jobsworths have their uses wink

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 18:14:37

Thank you so much. I feel much better now x

29chapel Mon 11-Nov-13 18:24:39

you need wine grin

zipzap Mon 11-Nov-13 18:27:44

I would be annoyed if a neighbour organised for a tree on my property to be pruned without talking to me first, no matter how well intentioned they were or the fact they were paying for it.

If they had already had their side pruned then they may well have been happy with where it had been pruned to and not want it pruned back further. For example - my mum always thinks I should prune some trees in my garden further back than we have them as she adores sun. We prefer privacy and shade. If she was my neighbour and had organised her half of the tree to be cut back to where she likes it - and then got her tree surgeon to do that to my half of the tree - she would be thinking that she was doing a really nice thing while I would be spitting mad at what she'd had done.

Maybe something like this has happened here? Not enough communication...

digerd Mon 11-Nov-13 18:31:00

My neighbour who has the front gate has one like that and it looks lovely.
Glad you are feeling better now. Sorry about your nasty neighbours < I have one attached to me>

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 18:33:14

I did ask their permission. They had pruned half their tree for years, my house was derelict before I moved in so they had more than enough opportunities to trim a bit off my side without offending anyone.
I didnt want this lovely old tree to look misshapen so I cut it to match what they had done. They obviously thought that if they got their side done again it would save them £££ in the future.

Strumpetron Mon 11-Nov-13 18:48:53

OP now you have elaborated I agree you neighbours sound a pain in the arse smile

Kikibee Mon 11-Nov-13 18:56:47

Did your tree surgeon chappy do their side? And if so, did you pay?

They sound absolute cunts angry

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO Mon 11-Nov-13 19:04:20


Don't let the bastards grind you down.

It sounds like you are going to have lots more to deal with from them in future, so I would look to changing how you deal with them and feel about them.

breathing techniques, yoga?

So glad everyone finally caught up with the thread. smile

Iris445 Mon 11-Nov-13 19:17:24

Bad neighbours are a nightmare.
Little notes are the way forward..we are having fireworks, sorry for any noise. Type of thing. If you have gates you can then just ignore them then.

We have a neighbour that moans I just do the " oh dear poor you" response. She complains about the lack of sun in her garden ( she blocks her own light) and how much sun we have ( big garden) she even told my children we have all the sun! She's crazy.

zipzap Mon 11-Nov-13 20:14:04

Ah sorry op, I misread the bit about the trees and thought you'd asked the tree surgeon to do all the tree.

That will teach me not to read mn, cook a roast supper and try to sort out ds1's homework all at the same time! blush

And yes - bloody cheeky of the neighbours to increase your bill - and of the tree surgeon to do the work and expect you to pay for it without checking with you first.

ilovelymum Mon 11-Nov-13 20:37:58

I live with my family in Kensington and the neighbours are the most evil creatures. every one of them is a living rerun of the THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA every one of them never wears the thing twis and they look down on me for not doing the same

I tried to get planning permission for a large barbieq area to be put up but Miss My husbands a banker says it'll ruin her view and frighten the cat she does not own

Neighbours suck

SarahAndFuck Mon 11-Nov-13 21:03:39

You know if you take the metal sheeting down they are then going to complain about the dog barking don't you?

I realise this isn't helpful, but I'd bet on it happening.

slickrick Mon 11-Nov-13 22:05:55

You know if you take the metal sheeting down they are then going to complain about the dog barking don't you?

Oh yes (evil laugh) I am planning on building a kennel outside so he can bark until his hearts content if I have to take them down LOL

BabyMummy29 Mon 11-Nov-13 22:09:05

They sound like my neighbours - not happy unless they have something to complain about.

As soon as we get one problem sorted out ( which are just everyday happenings in normal life) they move on to something else,

In the end we had to get the community warden involved

IAlwaysThought Mon 11-Nov-13 22:21:19

I hope you didn't pay the tree surgeon for the nieghbours work? That would be daft (sorry OP blush ) The tree surgeon must have been even more daft though confused

Chopstheduck Tue 12-Nov-13 09:23:32

Problem is, you jsut can't win with inconsiderate neighbours sad

'I am planning on building a kennel outside so he can bark until his hearts content if I have to take them down LOL-

- then you will get in trouble for having a dog barking all hours.

Our neighbours pruned half of our tree for us. It looks fucking stupid now, and the tree surgeon only did it properly last year. They promised not to do it again hmm
They have a tv blaring out all the time, the Enviromental Health warned them it was a statutory nuisance, they turned it down for a bit, then it goes up a bit. They are clever enough to keep it quiet often enough that we probably can't prosecute, but 2-3 nights a week it's up so loud we have to go to bed to get away from it.
They stole our kids ball, even told the police they don't have it. We couldn't retrieve it though, or that would be trespassing.

At the end of the day it is your word against theirs and there isn't a lot you can do if someone wants to be horrible. When our neighbours complained about our BBQ, we moved it. We asked them in return to turn their tv down, and they've been arseholes ever since.

I really feel for you, now you explained it all properly.

sue52 Tue 12-Nov-13 10:07:18

Oh dear, it does sound like you have miserable vindictive neighbours who enjoy moaning. Just try your best to ignore them and please yourself as nothing you do will ever be right for them.

binger Tue 12-Nov-13 10:21:00

they are petty and that would have pissed me off no end. Re the tree, next time prune their tree yourself and lob the branches into their garden.

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