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To Think that Tablets (computers) ARE ok for young ish children ie maybe 5 on wards?

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TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 17:48:55

Just a few comments on a few threads regarding the Hudl recently, I noticed some people mentioned that they would not get one for "young" children.

Why?

My DC have have a leap pad thing, and its been most educational.

WooWooOwl Iran Sun 03-Nov-13 17:53:18

I didn't read the thread you refer to, but I think young children can get a lot of benefit from things like iPads. There are some fabulous apps out there for children, my school uses them with reception children and above.

There shouldn't be any need to give them their own though, as if they are going to get any real benefit from them then a parent needs to be doing it with them.

Otherwise the only benefit is to the parent who gets peace while their child is playing on the iPad.

GooFawkes Sun 03-Nov-13 17:53:49

My children share an iPad, they contributed birthay money towards it and got it last Christmas.

We are very tight though when it is taken out, as a relative had their iPad stolen from their bag last year.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Sun 03-Nov-13 17:53:56

I am going to leave it as long as possible before getting DC their own tablets.

FortyDoorsToNowhere Sun 03-Nov-13 17:56:07

They use my phone for apps ( with me)

KeepingUpWithTheJonses Sun 03-Nov-13 17:59:37

My dc are 3 and 5 and getting them for Christmas.

They use tablets in school from Nursery age. IMO they are a good mix of being educational and allowing games (most of which are educational for young children anyway IMO)

I find them infinitely more preferable to a playstation/wii/ds, none of which I would allow my child until closer to teen years.

Bubbles1066 Sun 03-Nov-13 17:59:41

We're getting my 3 year year old the Leap pad ultra for Christmas. At the moment he uses our tablets or IPhones but with constant supervision. In getting him his own one with a child safe browser etc, we no longer have to worry about him breaking ours.

Tee2072 Sun 03-Nov-13 18:00:40

My son is getting a leappad for Xmas. He's 4.

RubyrooUK Sun 03-Nov-13 18:01:45

Some people don't like their kids having much screen time, which is fair enough. Or maybe they worry young children would break a tablet.

Personally I let my three year old use my iPad and have for at least a year. He learnt to do jigsaw games on there and now can do 50+ piece ones in real life so I've found it quite educational. And he has learned loads of songs from a music app. But then he only uses it occasionally in the car on long journeys and so on, so I don't feel it is having much of a negative effect on his life.

I'm sure no young child needs a tablet but I don't really need mine either - find it useful now I have it though.

ElbowPrincess Sun 03-Nov-13 18:01:45

My 5 year old had an Innoteb but now has a tablet, and gets so much out of it. I think it's doing your children a dis-service to not keep up with technology.

FloozeyLoozey Sun 03-Nov-13 18:02:14

Yes I don't see why some people are so fearful of and horrified by technology. They seem to think it make you a better parent, the longer you shun technology.

TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 18:03:44

woowoo

I am thinking about getting one Dc the Hudl like most of MN it seems grin and I have noticed a few comments here and there, for instance, that they can be bad for a childs' imagination development, that screen time in terms of a Pad is different to that of TV time. And just comments that they would not get a small child one.

I got the impression it was more about their brains than breaking the actual Hudl/tablet.

snowmummy Sun 03-Nov-13 18:04:38

I don't think they need to have their own tablet. We've got a laptop, a desktop and a tablet in our house. Our children are allowed supervised and limited access. I do not like young children having their own when they're allowed on them all the time. It stifles creative play.

I think the decision is down to lifestyle, age and character of the kids rather than some blanket decision. It is also incumbent on the adult/person in charge to be an active participant

Some Infant schools are getting ipads for the classrooms.

BoundandRebound Sun 03-Nov-13 18:18:12

www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/patientinstructions/000355.htm

"Screen time" is any time that is spent in front of a screen, such as a TV, computer, or video game player. Screen time is sedentary activity, or being inactive while sitting down. Very little energy is used during screen time.

Most children spend about 3 hours a day watching TV. When you add in other screen time activities, it is closer to 5 - 7 hours a day.

Too much screen time can:

Increase your child’s risk of becoming obese
Make it harder to get your child to go to bed and fall asleep at night
Increase the chance that your child will develop attention problems, anxiety, and depression
Screen time increases your child’s risk of obesity because:

Sitting and watching a screen is time that is not spent being physically active.
TV commercials and other screen ads can teach children to make less healthy food choices. Most of the time, the food in ads aimed at kids is high in sugar, salt, or fats. It is not nutritious.
Children eat more when they are watching TV, especially if they see ads for food.
Computers can be helpful when kids are using them to do schoolwork. But surfing the internet, spending time on Facebook, or watching YouTube videos is considered unhealthy screen time.

But more importantly screen time is only safe when monitored closely and you won't, after time you'll just enjoy the peace

TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 18:22:28

bound thanks for your link, but I have to laugh.

MY DD is having screen time now, watching The Fox and Hounds on TV and I do not think she has sat down yet for a moment of it! She has been bounding round on the sofas, climbing, jumping....

ZombieMojaveWonderer Sun 03-Nov-13 18:23:12

My daughter has had her iPad since she was five and it's a god send. Especially since she is ASD. If we are in a difficult situation for example a hospital appointment I can plug her earphones in and block out the very loud sounds of the hospital with Charlie and Lola. Obviously she can't use it as school but she uses ear defenders there.
All my kids have iPads and they absolutely love them. I love mine too. Great for watching movies in the bath with a glass of vino on a Sunday night wink

Oblomov Sun 03-Nov-13 18:26:12

7 hours a day? Really? Mine don't. By the time we've got home, had a snack, done homework, had dinner, jumped around on the trampoline, and ds1 has been to Cubs, there could have been no tv at all.
Other days there is lots.
But I do do something called parenting. So they don't regularly get anywhere near 7 hours.

Tee2072 Sun 03-Nov-13 18:28:59

Well, technically, they are getting all the screen time in the world at school.

But I don't really care. He is fit and healthy and never sits still unless I make him when using my tablet.

So I'm giving him his own tablet. Yes. So he won't use mine.

So shoot me. Or give me a bad mother award. I don't really care what you think.

oscartopia Sun 03-Nov-13 18:34:16

With the price of android tablets in particular now being much lower, I believe they represent fantastic tools for developing your DC's imagination as well as their hand-eye coordination skills..... There are also an increasing number of educational apps aimed at children ages 2 years plus - See goo.gl/0Ha3uE ... I would agree however that for very young children the use of tablet PC's should be supervised, at least until they appreciate their delicacy and how to handle them.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 18:39:27

Don't think IPads are better than DSs or XBoxes.hmm

There are far more controls on the above.Xboxes are public and DSs can only run games you buy.

iPads have the Internet and all manner of apps,many of which can be utter shite.

iPads are the in thing,they're no better than any other screen.They are also pretty passive and not half as educational as say a Rapberry Pi.

Sorry 3 and 5 year olds don't need IPads.At that age they need masses of fine motor,gross motor toys,real books etc.Th odd half hour of screens fine but why on earth would you waste best part of a grand on the odd half hour that needs strict controls re time,supervision(they are fragile)and content?confused

It's sad.Think of the books,Playmobil or bike you could get for that.They have all the time in the world for an Ipad.

We are a very techy family but sadly I think parents are using tablets more and more as babysitters.Fed up with seeing kids on them everywhere.Is it that impossible to go to a cafe,wait in a waiting room or go on a journey without them?

MigGril Sun 03-Nov-13 18:42:18

I've look at those leap pad things they are rubbish £100 + £15 ongames. we let our two use our phones there are lots of good educational apps on android. They are 6&3, the 6 year old now use a tablet at school.

And we intended to get them hudl to share for Christmas (I mite get my phone back then).

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 18:50:58

It's funny IPads remind me of how DVDs used to be held in high esteem over TV.Then it was TV over laptops.Now it's IPads over any other screen.

They're all screens and bar the Raspberry Pi quite limited(although Minecraft is fab).Quite like the XBox Kinect for getting everybody together and active.There are some useful apps on the Ipad in amongst the shite.

wigglesrock Germany Sun 03-Nov-13 18:54:11

My just turned 6 and 8 year old share my Kindle Fire - it's fab for them. They mainly play games, read, do wordsearches, watch a bit of tv, use CBeebies website, learn to play the piano and dd2 (6) has been playing Patience on it all day (she's not very well).

Dd1 (8) is getting a huddl for Christmas, already bought - I've absolutely no qualms about it all.

Tee2072 Sun 03-Nov-13 19:00:41

"There are far more controls on the above.Xboxes are public and DSs can only run games you buy."

Not true. Xboxes can get films, downloads and games you haven't purchased. They are totally connected to the internet.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 19:04:48

You don't have to be connected to the Internet on the Xbox.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 19:08:48

And should you decide to run the Internet on the XBox what your dc see is on a masseeeeeve screen not so on an Ipad.

We bought our daughter an iPad for her first birthday.

Yup.

Because if it she has learnt to use her hands, isolate her fingers, develop excellent fine motor skills, learn so so much, have fun and most important of all it was a tool to communicate. She has cerebral palsy.

Now we all share it, but it's a part if this family, it has a tough book case, it's used for hospital appointments and when we are admitted, we don't have a tv so dd watches films and cartoons on it, we have strong Internet and YouTube settings.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 19:27:36

I can see how it is useful for you but there are better things for developing fine motor.Pointing and lightly pressing with one finger is quite limited.

TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 19:33:01

Retro

Our Leap was £70 and Hudle is £130 I think less with Tesco Vouchers and we have £40 worth of T vouchers.

No where near the " best part of a grand" confused

TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:01

I am totally ignorant of DS or X box we have nothing like that here.

Getting the Leap was quite a big deal for us, we did not do it glibly.

The only thing I was thinking was a few comments here and in RL re: imaginative play perhaps suffering and its something that giving the Tablet to younger DC you would not know if their imagination had suffered or not.

Saying that, my DD isn't one who was madly into imaginative play in the first place.

bubalou Sun 03-Nov-13 19:36:55

My DH has an ipad and me and my 5 year old ds share one as I don't use it much.

He loves playing the odd game of angry birds etc and he has sodoku on it which he loves. Also spelling games, writing games and reading.

I think as long as you limit their time on it then why not? smile

RubyrooUK Sun 03-Nov-13 19:39:44

Retro, you don't have to be connected to the internet on an iPad either. Ours is wireless only and that connection is turned off when DC use it. (As is the notorious in-app purchasing!) Not that my DS has shown any interest in the internet.

And forgive my total ignorance on the Xbox as mine broke a few years ago, pre-DC, but can you get educational games on it? My DS plays things like things where you find letters and numbers, or the Hungry Caterpillar app where you identify fruit, or Room on the Broom, where you collect letters flying on a broomstick and so on.

Still, I wouldn't buy an iPad for DS right now because he can use mine for short periods. He doesn't see that much telly either and prefers books so I am not too worried at this stage. I do take your point about the Xbox being a less intimate experience and therefore more easy to monitor, though.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 19:42:33

I was referring to Keping who said she is buying two Ipads for her 3 and 5 year olds.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 19:46:21

Ruby I know that but I wonder how many do turn it off.Considering how often adults use them dipping in and out,I know I don't ever turn off the Internet on mine.

Re imagination I think it is worrying.

Jaynebxl Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:10

My DC are getting tablets for Christmas. They are 6 and 7. I'm not worried in the slightest. They currently use ours but don't have unlimited access. We are quite strict about how much screen time they have and I can't see that changing just because they have their own tablets. They won't be allowed them in their bedrooms or anything.

fuzzpig Sun 03-Nov-13 19:55:17

My DCs play on our iPad - we were given an old first gen by a very generous friend when he upgraded. They have limited time on it - 30 mins each per day on either DS or iPad (which sort of amounts to an hour screen time each, since they tend to sit together and watch each other play IYSWIM). Mon-Thurs during term time this is the only screen time they get (a recent decision)

It's fantastic but I wouldn't be buying one for them if we didn't have one. And I wouldn't get them their own one because there would be no point - they'd still only get their 30mins so it wouldn't make sense financially. Same reason they don't have their own DS, they are allowed on our one (we won one before eldest was born). I would rather spend money on toys.

The iPad is great and I am forever adding brilliant new apps, companies like Toca Boca are fantastic. I don't think they are amazingly educational though, any more than I think 'brain training' games actually increase IQ, but they are fun grin

To the poster up thread who said about dine motor - please don't patronise me, I have a child with CP I know about fine motor (and gross motor) development, it's one thing we used - some apps require the use of more than one finger as well which helps. But if your child can't or won't isolate a finger (let alone use their hands to string together beads or use a marker) then the iPad is a brilliant incentive and it is the most sensitive tablet, it also allows fine tuning so that a user can isolate intentional and non intentional movement.

fuzzpig Sun 03-Nov-13 20:13:11

We've virtually never taken the iPad or DS out of the house, they are just for home. Particularly the iPad due to risk of dropping it or having it nicked

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 20:22:09

Big it is limited for children without SEN who can isolate a finger.Excellent fm for non SEN is more than that.That is what I was referring to as generally this thread is re non SEN.

At 3 non SEN children need masses of fine motor experience as opposed to screen time. I'd have preferred Duplo,crayons,doll clothes,Playmobil etc with mine.If you're spending shed loads on an Ipad and it restricting it to the odd half hour it just seems a waste of money.

A child of 10 whole different story.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 20:26:47

We're almost exactly like Fuzzy.My 3 are 10,10 and 9.Ipods and my ipad never leave the house.

We had no screens bar TV until 6, then it was the odd half hour.They get more now although very restricted and most days zilch.They were far too busy when little doing other things to need their own Ipad.

mumofweeboys Sun 03-Nov-13 20:33:33

Iv just discovered educational apps as just got an ipad. It's been great for my 5 year old, who struggles with concentrating. I let him have half an hour a day of playing phonics and maths games.

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 20:35:46

Squeebles are great.

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 20:42:03

YANBU. They simply need to be used sensibly. We bought a Nook tablet on sale for DS2, who is 7. He has severe SN and has learnt to do all sorts of things with a tablet that we weren't even able to engage him in, conventionally.

We'll probably get a Hudl for DS1. We're looking out for something with a rear camera that isn't expensive. Nook and Kindle don't fit the bill and even DH's Nexus doesn't have one. The camera on my iPad mini is very good, but we're not paying £270 for another one!

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 20:43:19

iPod Touch ?

AnyWetCuntweaselsInTheFuckerGr Sun 03-Nov-13 20:46:00

My policy is that they don't 'own' any form of electronic device for as long as possible.

But I am generous and judicious on giving them goes on my DS/iPad/iPad2/iPod Touch/Nintendo Wii/PC/laptop and iPhone. (Yuh huh. One person doesn't need so much gadgetry really... but kids still believe they're mine all mineeee ) .

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 20:49:00

retropear - waiting in a waiting room is boring enough for an adult, never mind for a child. Between them, the boys have had to do a lot of waiting in waiting rooms and having something absorbing to do is a real sanity saver.

Shallistopnow Sun 03-Nov-13 20:51:21

Yes YABU.

Shallistopnow Sun 03-Nov-13 20:51:55

Yes YABU.

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 20:53:20

I had considered the iPod touch, retropear. I don't know how he'd get on with the smaller screen. Probably no worse than on his old DS, mind. And they still cost more than we really want to spend. Not much less than an iPad mini, really!

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 20:54:09

Ouv I can understand re regular hospital goers but with others sorry kids don't melt.Books,colouring,a comic, just sitting,watching and thinking etc.

I think it's worrying and I have a house full of restricted tech.Kids are never allowed to be bored these days.Boredom is good for creativity.

When we're in the car or out they have nothing.They manage and always have done.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 03-Nov-13 20:54:38

I'm getting DS2 (5) a Leapad 2 for Christmas. Can't afford the latest version, but the local toyshop is doing Leapad 2 for £50, with a free gel skin thrown in.

The character games on it are all right up his street, so I know he's going to love it.

I break out in a cold sweat at the prices of iPads though!

Retropear Sun 03-Nov-13 20:55:05

They are about £100 cheaper for the 16g.

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 21:00:46

In fact, thanks retro, for crystiallising the idea I'd had. 16GB 4th gen are pretty much at our price point!

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 21:01:17

hah! x-posted!

NoComet Sun 03-Nov-13 21:01:46

My total computer addict, DD2, who has been able to work my desk top from 3 and has had her own lap top from 6, is also the DD who plays with playmobil for hours, trampolines and joins any sport club going.

It's DD1 who is the antisocial, sit quietly one.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 03-Nov-13 21:02:38

I think if a got an iPad, it would be kept in a glass display case, and no one would be allowed to actually touch it.

I have my Kindle Fire, don't think I need anything else.

TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 21:12:39

No we are really "I" virgins here, I have I pod, DH has smart phone not I, and I have old brick phone, we have lap tops and the dc have old leap pad.

Hence thinking of the Hudl as much cheaper.

If either of us had an i pad I am not sure we would be thinking of the Hudl.

TheHouseonHauntedHill Sun 03-Nov-13 21:14:35

Star

I think its down to personality and what the DC prefer.

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 21:24:09

My iPad mini is the only iThing in the house! I've had it since February and DH is still suspicious of it grin

And it turns out that the rear cameras on the 4th gen iPod touches are only 0.7MP. They're 5MP on the 5th gen, but the 16GB ones don't have it. The 32GB ones cost almost as much as an original iPad mini!

DH has been looking at an Android tablet from Ebuyer - good spec, OK cameras, decent reviews, £120, including case. Might go for that.

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 21:27:41
fuzzpig Sun 03-Nov-13 21:35:10

I have the 32GB 5th gen iPod, I bloody love it. It's the first iAnything I've ever actually bought (others were handmedowns), saved up for months and months and NOBODY ELSE CAN TOUCH IT grin

ouryve Sun 03-Nov-13 21:57:19

I don't mind DS2 using my iPad mini (so long as he doesn't drool on it or waste my gems/gold or whatever in my various puzzle/arcade games) but I don't trust DS1 to be out of my sight with it for one second! The lack of separate user account ability is quite annoying. That's something that Android definitely gets right.

tiredoutgran Sun 03-Nov-13 21:58:45

My 3yo has his own kindle fire and he is amazing on it, he can play games that I wouldn't know where to start, and most of the games were FOC from Amazon. The kindle fire has an update due that will allow children to have a profile set up (as many as needed 3 kids 3 profiles) that will enable screen time to be limited individually for each profile without restricting the ability to read a book on it. I am getting his 3 sisters one each for xmas because they won't leave his alone. The tablet was invaluable when he was in for heart op because he sat still and played rather than fighting to get out of bed.

BerstieSpotts Sun 03-Nov-13 22:00:47

"surfing the internet, spending time on Facebook, or watching YouTube videos is considered unhealthy screen time."

Sorry, but that's total bollocks! I've learned loads from surfing the internet. Yes you can spend hours looking at amusingly-titled photos of cats, but you can also get sidetracked on wikipedia clicking through articles for hours, or go to look up something about a building and end up sidetracked in the history of a town, or loads of things.

Facebook can provide contact with friends or relatives who live all over the world. It's interesting for DC to see their cousins who live in a different country and how their lives are different etc. I've also seen loads of awareness-raising links via facebook that I'd have had no idea about. I was on a private support group for a course I was doing. And youtube, again, there are so many educational videos on there. Whenever DS asks me "How do they make X?" I always go to youtube as a first port of call.

And even if you are bumming around on the internet looking at cats, I don't think that's unhealthy! Everyone needs downtime and sometimes it's good to just switch off and not use your brain too much. There are other websites too which are incredibly creative and interactive which make you think. I think we need to stop being so afraid of screens. Everything has benefits as long as you're not reliant on it 100% of the time.

manicinsomniac Brazil Sun 03-Nov-13 22:33:04

Mine have nothing and won't for as long as possible (10, 6 and bump)

I don't have a ipod or an ipad so they're certainly not getting one! grin

I'm not against them, they use them in school. But we're not home often enough to justify the expense, they have plenty of toys, books and dvds and I prefer them to do other things.

ouryve Mon 04-Nov-13 06:29:19

DS1's learnt how to identify counterfeit pound coins, thanks to bumming around on the Internet!

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