To think Gordon Ramsey was way out of order?

(124 Posts)
Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 13:14:58

"Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsay has been bragging about spying on his 15 year-old teenage daughter Megan while she was in her bedroom with her boyfriend, revising.

Obviously viewing it as a laddish joke, Ramsay explained to TV chat host Jonathan Ross that he got his son to put a hidden camera in her room – ostensibly to see if she was revising. “I’ve been a bit naughty over the last couple of weeks because I got Jack a little Go-Pro. One of those little secret cameras.

“So I said to him: ‘Look mate, here’s twenty quid, go and target your big sister’s room and put that camera right at the top left-hand side of the wardrobe.’ “So, Megan, I’d like to talk to you about your revising.” he said.

It’s indicative that the father of four enlisted his only son, who is 13, to take part in this jape – a boy’s joke, lads together, embarrassing their girl and her friend."

ShutTheFuckUpBarbara Tue 29-Oct-13 13:17:14


What an enormous cock.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow Tue 29-Oct-13 13:19:31

YANBU - there is something very wrong with a man who places a hidden camera in his teenage daughters bedroom.

festered Tue 29-Oct-13 13:33:44

At best It's a massive invasion of privacy, she's 15!To me that's an age where you're no longer a 'child' and are entitled to some privacy and respect.
And at worst, It's a bit sick :/ what if she...Ugh I don't want to even say what kind of things he may see her doing that are just wrong for him to seesad

Echocave Tue 29-Oct-13 13:44:36

He is a bit of an arse isn't he? And could frankly see something he wishes he hadn't. That might wipe the smile off his face but equally might mean he goes beserk at the boyfriend. Some joke. I can't see it ending well....

He was a massive twat before this revelation.

He's a tit isn't he, his daughter presumably knew all about his jolly jape before he spouted off on telly?


TEErickOrTEEreat Tue 29-Oct-13 14:16:14

He really is a dick.

Crowler Tue 29-Oct-13 14:18:35

That's so gross. What a knob.

How could you trust your father if you knew he thought it was OK to spy on you with a hidden camera? It is a total betrayal, IMO, and if someone did it to me, I would never trust them again.

fluffyraggies Tue 29-Oct-13 14:22:40

God God. How would he like a hidden camera in his bedroom so that the kids could see 'what he was getting up to'? Bet he wouldn't see that as a joke angry


and a bit sick.

QueenStromba Tue 29-Oct-13 14:23:01

I'm sure fathers have been getting younger siblings to spy on their 15 year old daughters since time began.

cocoleBOO Tue 29-Oct-13 14:23:25


UriGHOULer Tue 29-Oct-13 14:23:28

What a cunt. I hope he got footage of his daughter telling her boyfriend what a massive shitbag her father is.

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 14:35:26

Queen - Perhaps that is the case. Still doesn't make it right.

TheCrackFoxFucker Tue 29-Oct-13 14:40:42

Very creepy.

Not creepy.

Maybe you should view the JRoss show before posting second hand commentary. It wasn't quite as described. He still came across as stupid but more like a train of thought that got out of hand rather than deliberate nastiness.

shrieklesoda Tue 29-Oct-13 14:46:28

When I see Gordon Ramsey and his foul temper I just wonder what he's like behind closed doors. I know he'd probably say its all a tv persona and its exaggerated, but in real life most people are worse in private than in the public version of themselves that they portray to others. So if he's happy to portray himself as such an enormous arse publicly, I wonder how awful he must be to live with.

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 14:48:11

Why not creepy Minnie?

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops Tue 29-Oct-13 14:48:37

It was a joke. I don't find it funny, but not worth getting worked up about.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:51:30

I was going to say the same Minnie. I saw the show and it came across as a kind of 'Oof isn't it hard coping with your little girls being all grown up' joke. His daughter and boyfriend were in the audience. No idea what's been reported but sounds like it's been well over hyped.

tiktok Tue 29-Oct-13 14:52:23

Be sceptical. GroPro are among the sponsors of the ironman contest he took part in. Could be a commercial relationship on both sides. His 'joke' is not very funny but he may have found it worthwhile to crack it, with the mention of the product. hmm

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 14:53:12

I didn't realise it was a joke. But someone who thinks this is funny, does not have respectful attitudes towards his daughter.

fluffyraggies Tue 29-Oct-13 15:05:16

I'm relieved to hear it was a joke.

oldgrandmama Tue 29-Oct-13 15:05:37

Made me feel like throwing up when I read that. A joke? Really? For what it's worth, both Ross and Ramsey tempt me to throw a brick through my TV screen. Ugh!

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:21:11

Is it me or are people in this site getting more and more hysterical? It's all getting a bit 'disgusted from Tunbridge Wells' at times. grin

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 15:23:27

No. It is just women who believe in basic feminism and think women and girls matter.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow Tue 29-Oct-13 15:24:28

I'm not hysterical. I just think there is something very wrong with a man who places a hidden camera in his teenage daughters bedroom.

Anyway, if it was a joke, it's a joke.

damejudydench Tue 29-Oct-13 15:24:58

So glad my Dad wasn't like that. What a weirdo. Like him even less (and didn't like him a lot before).

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:28:16

I'm aware of feminism and the rights of girls but Jesus thus is an ironic joke made on a light hearted programme where his daughter was in the audience. You've no idea what their relationship is like - for all you know they could have chatted about it and had a laugh before the show, she may well have been in on it. To call someone you don't know all the sick bastards under the sun because of some shitty goady reporting is pretty hysterical I'd say.

He's still a massive tit.

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 15:36:01

When I posted this article, I did not realise it was a joke.

But people still tell you what their attitudes really are through their jokes,

BrianTheMole Tue 29-Oct-13 15:40:07

A joke as in...he didn't do it? Or a joke as in...he did do it, but its a joke so thats ok confused

shrieklesoda Tue 29-Oct-13 15:46:44

tbh I was commenting on Gordon Ramsey in general grin I just think he thrives on portraying himself as pretty unpleasant and it makes me wonder what sort of person he is.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:49:05

He does come across as a massive tit but I still think this thread is ridiculous grin

angelinajelly Tue 29-Oct-13 15:51:36

If he did actually put a camera in her room, it's not funny, it's disgusting. And will completely backfire as the poor girl will get as far away as she can as soon as she can. If he didn't put it there and just thought it was funny to say he had, well, what a twat.

uncomfortablydumb Tue 29-Oct-13 15:54:58

What UriGHOULer said.

Also, would like to know if it was a made up 'joke' or he actually did it.

TEErickOrTEEreat Tue 29-Oct-13 15:59:54

So did he put a camera in his daughters room or did he not?

NicknameIncomplete Tue 29-Oct-13 16:11:28

What is with people getting their knickers in a twist over nothing lately.

Robin thicke, lady gaga and now gordon ramsey.

I dont see how this has anything to do with female rights. What parent wouldnt like to see what their 15 yr old is getting up to with the partner.

I doubt it was nasty, disgusting or controlling.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:16:49

A quick Google shows that his spokeswoman has said she thinks he was joking. A female Guardian reporter has, however, written an article on the back of the uproar admitting she actually has put a camera in her teenage daughter's room. So you can turn the pitch forks on her now. Ha!

TEErickOrTEEreat Tue 29-Oct-13 16:19:38

Well, I've always thought he was a dick. This thread just gave me a chance to say so. grin

What parent wouldnt like to see what their 15 yr old is getting up to with the partner.

Watch my teenage child in his bedroom?

No thanks , some things are private.

angelinajelly Tue 29-Oct-13 16:37:43

Nickname, you seriously don't see anything sleazy in surreptitiously watching a teenage girl in her bedroom, when she thinks she is in private? Do you know what teenagers do in their bedrooms? How would you feel?

angelinajelly Tue 29-Oct-13 16:38:19

How would you feel if it was you being WATCHED, I mean. I don't think we wish to know how you'd feel about watching.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:43:09

It-was-made-up. Now please, surely there are actual things to get wound up about? Helping women in Saudi Arabia with their fight for the right to drive might be be a start, rather than getting your knickers in a twist over something that didn't actually happen. He must be loving how easily some people are reeled in by the wind up. Don't take the bait if you can't stand him! grin

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:44:21

The Saudi comment was I. Response to the emphasis on feminism and women's rights by the way. I haven't gone all random on yo ass.

SomethingOnce Tue 29-Oct-13 16:48:13

So glad it's a joke. I was all, 'But, but... what if he got an eyeful of... an intimate moment? Ewww!'

NicknameIncomplete - do you actually think that spying on one's child is a good way to foster a trusting relationship? I imagine the vast majority of teenagers would be incredibly upset if their parents spied on them whether via secret webcam or hacking their FB account or reading their diary or whatever. Betray their trust that way, and it think there is a bloody good chance they won't trust you again.

So to answer your question, "What parent wouldnt like to see what their 15 yr old is getting up to with the partner." - I hope my sons will feel able to confide in me, when they are having a sexual relationship with a girlfriend, but no, I would NOT want to film them, spy on them, see them. That would be wrong.

cogitosum Tue 29-Oct-13 17:51:47

This reminds me of the thread in fwr about the robbie Williams song and fathers being over protective of daughters. (can't link on phone but similar theme)

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 18:35:00

Yes it was a joke. No it was not an acceptable joke. We accept all the time that some jokes are not acceptable. This is one of them.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 18:39:38

Blimey, he's not exactly Frankie Boyle! grin

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 18:42:08

Because misogynistic jokes are fine?

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 18:57:17

I can't get my blood pressure up about it to be honest. Jeeze.

mignonnette Tue 29-Oct-13 19:24:42

Ramsay has been exposed on multiple occasions as a pathological liar.

This is a psychological condition and we should pity him. T

His businesses are doing badly. His repeated (alleged) infidelities have been exposed and discussed by the Media without any successful refuting legal action because as well as being a traitor to his wife, he is too gormless to get away with it. He knows there are so many skeletons in his cupboard that the Day of the Dead festivities would extend to a full year should he ever be in Mexico on the 1st/2nd November.

He has caused estrangement between his wife and her family because of his need to wave his inadequate little willy at other men in a pathetic retrograde and metaphorical manner, a behaviour reciprocated by his FIL. Tara Ramsay is surrounded by deviant, sexually incontinent men. Poor her.

What credibility he had as a chef and chef patron is long gone. David Beckham had the sense to pull out as a backer of his latest restaurant although Ramsay continued to parade Beckham's name for a considerable time afterwards.

He will be handed the 'bill' by his children for his behaviour one day whether this camera tale is true or not because Ramsay is so pathetic and desperate to generate publicity for his new venture that he uses his own children as anecdotal fodder. This is not the first time he has used them for headlines and it will not be the last.

He also parades his parental inadequacies on a show hosted by the pitiful idiot Jonathan Ross who experienced his own fall from grace when he publicly attempted to humiliate Andrew Sachs and Sachs granddaughter.

Ramsay thinks we will find his tale of spying on his daughter amusing, acceptable and understandable. It is not. It is bordering on pathologically disturbed especially if it is true and he filmed her intimate moments with her boyfriend. People get criminal convictions for less. It doesn't matter why he did it.

These men who parade their over protectiveness of daughters as somehow evidence of superior parental love are actually misogynists of the worst kind. Their daughters are their possessions and other men are seen as rivals whether they are a 15 year old boy or an adult male. Ramsay does not see women as fully separate from his own identity as a man, rather more a reflection of his own masculinity, dominance and virility. They are part of his companies assets there to be metaphorically stripped or not as needs must.

It is the same attitude that taken further makes these men want to 'punish' other men who sexually assault their women. Not because the assaulter did a terrible thing but because they have 'taken and used' what is theirs.

This man is repugnant. He should ask himself why he uses the same dysfunctional, sly, deviant approach to communicating w/ his children as he did/does in business. But he won't because he has the same insight and ability to reflect as a lump of washed up sea glass.

mignonnette Tue 29-Oct-13 19:30:52

BTW regarding the ' protest about something really important like Saudi women drivers/Syria/NHS cuts/MH - some of us are truly remarkable in that we can multi task.

We can get het up, protest, criticise and campaign about more than one thing at a time..

Amazing, that wink.

Also Ramsay has a history of making statements that were 'true' and then they become a 'joke' or an off the cuff comment distorted by the nasty unfair media and public.

Check out the allegations of corporate sabotage via false accusations of theft. Ramsay was later exposed as having been the thief himself of restaurant property and of setting up another chef as the thief, even calling in the police.

Check out all the other lies, half truths and hot air. This man is sordid. He is a misogynist.

ForalltheSaints Tue 29-Oct-13 19:38:41

The foul mouthed Rangers reject should be off our screens for good. Come back Delia Smith.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 19:40:17

So don't watch Jonathon Ross, don't watch Gordon Ramsay and let Tanya Ramsay, his business contacts and anyone else who has anything to do with him make their own mind up and act accordingly. He's not the bloody messiah! Do you make it your business to get this irate about every individual in the world who's an arse? There really are more pressing issues to concern yourself with. Seriously.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 19:43:12

Forallthesaints - I don't know, that Delia can get a bit mouthy. Terrible influence. Yobbish I'd say.


mignonnette Tue 29-Oct-13 19:47:27

No I don't. Just some of them.

Can I refer you to my previous post Nat? I am one of those people with the ability to multi task when it comes to the Worlds pressing concerns. I'm not sure whether it is a blessing or a curse grin but I kind of envy your inability to inability to care about/comment/get irate about more than one issue wink.

However using your logic, if my post displeases you shouldn't you merely have ignored it and not commented seeing as you don't make it your business to get irate about everything you see on t'interweb? Clearly you too are unable to simply sail on by something irritating whilst singing gaily under your breath smile

Mimishimi Tue 29-Oct-13 19:55:40

Hmmm. Knowing how I was at 15, I could see myself doing exactly the same thing. The only thing is I'd probably tell DD beforehand that there would be a camera to try and make sure there was no mischief.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 19:56:24

Au contraire, I find it fascinating that some people can survive without their head exploding when they get quite so het up about everything. Believe me, I have a reputation among my friends for being very passionate about a LOT of issues (and probably bore the arses off them at times) but seriously, two twatty famous blokes are as twatty as they usually are on telly. One of them with a reputation for acting like an utter twat and saying twatty things makes a particularly twatty joke. His daughter will be old enough in a couple of years to decide that he is an utter twat and doesn't want anything to do with him if that really is the case. On the other hand behind closed doors they may well have a lovely respectful father/daughter relationship and she might not give a flying toss about what he said. Some people just don't CARE about stupid throw away comments that other people lose sleep over. Gordon Ramsay really isn't a major contributor to all that is wrong with the world. I truly believe that. Some people love a bit of controversy. It doesn't mean that they're actually deeply evil. I'm currently addicted to the series 'Dexter'. It's about a psychopathic killer who works for the police in Miami. Should such programmes be made? Is it glorifying murder? Is it making a mockery of mental illness? Like shite is it. It's a programme that I choose to watch as the story is brilliant and it's full of suspense. It doesn't make me a sicko. Just like SOME people like to watch Jonathon Ross/Gordon Ramsay. It doesn't mean they suck up every word they say. They just find it light viewing.

mignonnette Tue 29-Oct-13 20:06:46

You care enough to post on the same thread as me. Kind of invalidates what you say. I do like a bit of variety in my irateness -a bit of celebrity, some heavy duty political stuff, some temper tantrums at economic disparity and a whole load of epic temper about anything affecting people w/ MI in a negative manner.

Believe me, a bit of verbal sparring on here isn't anywhere near triggering my head is about to explode klaxon. This is a bit of fun and me exercising my writing 'muscle' . I am pretty mellow sitting here on my sofa w/ a big green and black Halloween muffin made by DD that looks like Ramsays worst culinary nightmare.
Sounding irate doesn't necessarily mean the poster is irate smile. I can fake it but don't tell that to the Telegraph reporter looking for 'sexy stories' in case I am misinterpreted and splashed across their magazine. smile

Dexter is fantasy. Ramsay is a Fantasist.

RE the major contributor- no he may not be but it all adds up and who can say when we reach the tipping point and who was responsible for it? He is a misogynist and I call him out on it. I could let it go. We all could let it go. History tells us what happens when the small stuff fails to be sweated. Allowing these men to go unchallenged is not a good idea. Presenting an opposing opinion is even if the subject and THE Subject appear trivial.

mignonnette Tue 29-Oct-13 20:07:40

I should not have said 'kind of invalidates what you say'. Apologies for that Nat.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 20:19:50

Fair points. I still think he's too pathetic to be dangerous on any level. I think I just don't trust the press to report anything particularly accurate about celebrities I can't get too excited about it. You are, however, highly unreasonable for mentioning a green and black Halloween muffin. I want one now! smile

mignonnette Tue 29-Oct-13 20:53:45

Nat sorry about the muffin faux pas. Where are my manners? (best not answer that grin)

Here is a rather inadequate substitute -cake

WooWooOwl Tue 29-Oct-13 21:05:18

Whether it was a joke or not, you had to be looking really hard to see this as a feminist issue. It isn't.

To the people saying that we should be concerning ourselves with more important issues, I would say this - a chat forum like MN is basically the online equivalent of a huge pub with a very eclectic clientele. In one corner, people are discussing TV, in another, sports. Some people are embroiled in a heated political or ideological debate, whilst others are getting equally heated about who should be voted off Strictly next.

It would be ridiculous to walk into a pub and start criticising some of the patrons for discussing topics you thought were too trivial, and to try to insist that people only discussed the truly serious topics of the day - so why do you come onto a chat forum and get surprised because people aren't all discussing serious topics, and criticise people for not being serious enough.

If mumsnetters only discussed really serious topics on MN, MN would not be the vibrant, fast-paced, buzzing place it is.

So - if you think a particular topic is not worthy of discussion, don't discuss it - start some threads with serious subject matter! and have a ball on them. Just don't be a misery-guts, trying to wet-blanket the discussions you think are too trivial. It is a big, big site, and there is plenty of room for us all. Plenty of room for all sorts of discussions. So don't froth about something you don't think is worthy of discussion - it's not like that thread will stop you having your properly serious thread. Live and let live.

Grennie Tue 29-Oct-13 22:33:07

And it is a feminist issue.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 22:42:46

I didn't say that MN should only be for debating important issues. Believe me, I've started a heated discussion about the Ninky Nonk vs the Pinky Ponk before now. What I did say is that I was surprised that anyone could turn a twatty attention seeking celeb chef's shit 'joke' on a crappy chat show into a serious feminist issue. It's things like this that make a joke of feminism and switch people off from the real cause.

"Au contraire, I find it fascinating that some people can survive without their head exploding when they get quite so het up about everything." and "There really are more pressing issues to concern yourself with. Seriously.". That sounded to me like criticism of what people choose to discuss and how they choose to discuss it.

It isn't just you - and it isn't just this thread either. I just don't get why anyone would get het up about what other people choose to discuss - or the vehemence with which they choose to discuss it - on a chat site.

KCumberSandwich Tue 29-Oct-13 22:57:34

i generally like him.

but why the fuck would he want to see what his 15 year old daughterbwas doing, with her boyfriend, in private?

if you want to set boundaries, you tell them to leave the door ajar or if they are supposed to be revising have them in dining room.

don't secretly watch her when she has her inhibitions lowered because ahe thinks she is in her own private space.

i find it disgusting.

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 23:04:06

Oh jeeze, I really give up. grin

natwebb79 Tue 29-Oct-13 23:05:23

Kcumbersandwich - I think we've ascertained now that he didn't actually do it.

Lilacroses Tue 29-Oct-13 23:17:52

He comes across as a right bloody bully though doesn'the? Regardless of this "joke" I can't stand to watch him on telly, so aggressive and full of himself. Ugh!

It does beg the question, what actually counts as a joke? Why is it funny to say you've spied on your dd with a webcam - who thinks it is funny to say that? Apart from Ramsay, of course. It baffles me.

What annoys me about Ramsey is he's so shit at the whole ranting-swearing act.

He never excoriates with wit, he never harangues with feeling. He merely carries in a rather petulant, whinging fashion, usually with a liberal dose of Americanisms, punctuated with cutting-edge stuff like "fuck me."

As a foreigner who's spent a few years here and there in the UK, I think it's fairly rare to meet someone from Britain without a wry sense of humour or a bit of mental flair. Yet the Lords of Telly, in their wisdom, found Ramsey, an obvious survivor of charisma bypass surgery, and decided to put him on air. Naturally.

If anyone else had come out with this, I'd assume they were trying to be controversial, that their agent had ordered them to provoke a Twitter storm. In reality, I suspect the poor berk was trying to be laddish and amusing with that buffoon Jonathan whatisface (another staple of English TV whose presences on your screens utterly baffles me) and was trying, with the meagre resources of wit he possesses, to make a joke.

I suppose you could see something reassuring in the fact that he is willing to joke about spying on his teenage daughter in her bedroom. It does tend to the conclusion that he isn't a creepy weirdo; if he were, he'd surely know not to advertise the fact. For similar reasons, it has always seemed to me that many of the posters on Sickipedia are very likely to be the sweetest, gentlest, kindest men in Britain.

QueenStromba Wed 30-Oct-13 01:55:48

Ramsey does have a public image to uphold with his whole angry, sweary persona. The sort of people who eat in his restaurants on a regular basis are probably not the sort of people who watch Jonathan Ross or Ramsey's kitchen disasters. A set menu lunch for two at Royal Hospital Road with minimal drinks will set you back about £150. It was a major treat for us but we could tell that everyone else there was used to spunking that sort of money on a Monday afternoon lunch. I would love to be able to eat there every week because the food is divine.

Normalitycalls Wed 30-Oct-13 02:13:11

Rather than putting a video camera in her room why not actually do some parenting instead of doing celeb TV?
Talk to your daughter about the best way to live her life aged 15. Encourage her and be interested in her life rather than bringing her up as a celeb.

KCumberSandwich Wed 30-Oct-13 05:43:04

and that's why you should read a whole thread before commenting on it wink

still a bit of an odd joke though

NicknameIncomplete Wed 30-Oct-13 06:43:15

Iv been reading one of katie prices books & she says that she has cameras everywhere in her house & keeps watch on her kids. Are we all going to blast her for that?

Grennie Wed 30-Oct-13 06:47:23

If she gives them no privacy, then yes. Although for Harvey it would be different as he is so severely disabled he needs an adult constantly with him.

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 07:14:07

Let's blast her then. A woman who has admitted in writing that she spies constantly on her children (two of whom do not have disabilities) vs a bloke who made a twatty joke but doesn't actually spy on his daughter. Not a feminist issue now is it? Or is it only 'sick and pervy' when it's a man talking about a daughter?

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 07:34:53

Normality - how do you know he's not a great parent? It's winding me up the assumptions people are making about somebody who, fair enough, comes across as a knobber on TV but who they've never met. For all you know he could be a great dad who finds plenty of time to parent well and has a lovely relationship with his kids.

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 07:44:27

Normality - how do you know he's not a great parent? It's winding me up the assumptions people are making about somebody who, fair enough, comes across as a knobber on TV but who they've never met. For all you know he could be a great dad who finds plenty of time to parent well and has a lovely relationship with his kids.

Possibly he is a great parent behind closed doors when the cameras aren't on them, I don't know.

I do however agree with everything that mignonnette wrote about him and couldn't have put it better.

He's repugnant.

ElleBellySkellington Wed 30-Oct-13 08:05:08

I'm not even surprised. He's a whining, childish, miserable bellend.

AmberLeaf Wed 30-Oct-13 08:12:20

Grennie I posted a thread about this a couple of weeks ago, got similar responses. A few 'the man is hideous' and lots of 'it was a joke'

My response to that was that regardless of whether he did it or not, he said he did publicly and can you imagine how that made his daughter feel?

IndiansInTheFuckerLobby Wed 30-Oct-13 08:15:42

I met him in real life and he was really nice to be honest.

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:22:22

Amber - his daughter was in the audience, he may well have discussed what he was going to say with her before the show. Who knows, she might not even be bothered!

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:23:03

Wonder how many people will take notice of your actual real life experience of him!

AmberLeaf Wed 30-Oct-13 08:25:13

Who knows, she maybe was bothered by it?

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:41:06

You'd like to assume so wouldn't you?! If he was that much of a bullying shit dad then why would she choose to sit in the audience watching his interview? This really is a non issue.

AmberLeaf Wed 30-Oct-13 08:43:14

Really? Because he is her Dad and despite being a shit she probably loves him.

Why are you so keen to assume that it's all jolly japes and he's great?

IndiansInTheFuckerLobby Wed 30-Oct-13 08:43:42

Hasn't he spoken out in the past about domestic violence etc because his father was very abusive??

NicknameIncomplete Wed 30-Oct-13 08:43:47

Maybe he did it, maybe he just joked about doing it. Maybe his daughter was bothered maybe she couldnt care less. We dont know.

Its not something that i would do but i dont see the problem if another parent wants to do it i say let them.

AmberLeaf Wed 30-Oct-13 08:45:14

If he is so clued up on DV/abuse then he should have known better than to 'joke' about spying on his teenage daughter I would have thought.

Yes he has spoken out about dv.

Whoever thought he would make a good ambassador for that was a bloody idiot considering GR made his name by being a gob shite of a bully and humiliating people on his tv shows..

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:53:17

Well seeing as you're determined to ignore any good reports and focus on highly edited TV programmes then there's really no point in trying to argue. I'm just glad that some of us can separate media hype from real life.

When he spoke publicly about setting up Marco Pierre White with the 'stolen' reservations book and called the police the report the 'crime', that wasn't edited, that was the real GR.

Calling the Australian tv presenter a pig during a live food show then denying it, it was a 'joke' of course!

He's an arse.

IndiansInTheFuckerLobby Wed 30-Oct-13 09:12:37

I'm not a super fan or anything. I don't like his shows, and find the American stuff a bit cringe. He was nice in a non sleazy way when I met him that's all.

Well - apologies if this rains on anyone's parade - but if KP is watching her kids via webcam, then that is despicable, and a betrayal of trust - and if her kids are old enough to be having sex with their boyfriend/girlfriend, then it is sick and pervy too.

I think I would be almost as hurt if my dad 'joked' in public about filming me with my boyfriend as I would be if he actually did it. I am still baffled as to why that is funny. <<joins themaltesefalcon on the Bench of Bafflement>>

limitedperiodonly Wed 30-Oct-13 09:16:40

It's things like this that make a joke of feminism and switch people off from the real cause.

Is there a definitive list of topics guaranteed not to startle people about feminism? Or do you think that's just an excuse that some people make, and that we should pay them no attention and carry on talking about what we want to?

btw I'm quite sure that at the moment in Saudi Arabia there are many people making what sound like reasonable arguments against women driving - they might have accidents, they might get lost, they might break down and meet someone nasty and have no one to protect them.

And there will be poor women in rural parts of the country, where even being allowed to travel in the boot of a car would be a treat, who think driving for women is a non-issue got up by pampered urbanites with nothing better to talk about.

If they even know the debate is going on, that is.

mignonnette Wed 30-Oct-13 09:17:38

I have a family member who did a stage w/ him. He is a git, an out of touch dinosaur who still believes that yelling, bulling, intimidation and physical correction is the best way to train chefs. Many chefs run 'quiet' kitchens and do not allow this kind of behaviour. It was fashionable in the eighties when it aped that whole city boy/swinging dick ethos. Not any more.

He offered my relative a job BTW so it is not sour grapes.

ExcuseTypos Wed 30-Oct-13 09:48:12

Well I think he's a knob.

If the webcam comments were a joke, I'm very pleased.
But I still think it's a nasty thing to say about your 15 year old. He knew she and her boyfriend were in the audience, to me it's a bit of a 'well I'm joking but you never know, do you?' kinda of threat.

I can imagine if my father had said something like that, I'd be lying in bed thinking 'was it really a joke?' and feeling rather confused.

Grennie Wed 30-Oct-13 10:57:05

Just because something is a joke, does not make it okay. Should we all start "joking" about disabled kids now, and when someone rightly calls us out on it say - Oh it was just a joke.

This man is displaying his entitlement around his daughter, his lack of respect of her privacy and her boundaries, and that it would be fine to use his son to help do this. Jokes matter.

mignonnette Wed 30-Oct-13 11:08:11

Grennie I think Frankie Boyle has the market covered w/ respect to Disablist 'jokes'.

I have this old-fashioned belief that a joke has to be funny, in order to be a joke. This wasn't.

ExcuseTypos Wed 30-Oct-13 11:15:07

Just ot clarify, when I said 'If the webcam is a joke, I'm very pleased' I meant that I'm glad he didn't actually put the webcam in her room.

I got that, ExcuseTypos. Fret not! smile

ExcuseTypos Wed 30-Oct-13 11:22:58

Oh good smile

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 11:40:31

It was nothing like a disablist joke for goodness sake! It was a daft bit of banter about how hard it is for a dad to think of his daughter being all grown up and possibly being sexually active. As a mother I'm sure I'll feel a bit weird when my son's at that age too. Not everybody finds every joke funny. Stick to 'knock knock' jokes if you must but seriously, this may be a 'parenting' issue if you must make it into something but it really isn't a 'feminist' issue. It really, really isn't.

All three of my sons are at this age, natwebb, and whilst I want them to stay safe and be responsible, and I don't want them to get hurt, to hurt anyone else, or to get a girl pregnant, I have never been even remotely tempted to joke about spying on them via webcam. When your son is that age, he will have had years of learning your standards and values, and the two of you will have built up a level of trust between you, and in my opinion, that is what stopped it feeling weird. I knew they would confide in me if they needed to, and I knew I could trust them to treat their girlfriends with kindness and respect - and that was what mattered for me.

sparechange Wed 30-Oct-13 12:15:44

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has already been pointed out

A week before that article came out, GR did an Ironman triathlon race, sponsored by Go-Pro. Ordinarily, you have to qualify for this race by coming in the top 3 of another Ironman race around the world, which is phenomenally difficult.

Gordon Ramsey got into the race having never done an ironman before.

2 weeks later, he makes some very inflammatory comments which specifically mention the brand name of the lead sponsor of the race - note he says 'Go Pro', not 'webcam'.

This is all a massive publicity stunt to thank Go Pro for his free pass into the race. Hands up who had never heard of Go Pro before this, but now know they make really small cameras?

It has of course sparked a massive debate since, but every single one of them links back to his original quote, which namechecks the camera manufacturer, so I would call this a total win for the PR team at Go Pro...

Maybe not, sparechange - I think I would actively seek out a different make, rather than buy one associated with GR and his 'jokes'. Hopefully other people will feel the same.

He's a dickhead who doesn't like women and is generally an arse.

5. Suppressed Female Cooks (1999, 2001) Ramsay thinks that women should be kept out of professional kitchens because there's nothing less sexy than "a woman who's had her hand up a pigeon's arse all day." Female cooks also don't make great employees because "they only work three weeks a month," "you can't get into the staff loo," and "how can you shout at someone who's four months pregnant?"

4. Depicted a Journalist As a Lesbian Pig (2009) In front of an audience of thousands, he called Tracy Grimshaw a "lesbian," and then showed a picture of a near-naked women on her hands and knees with the features of a pig. "That's Tracy Grimshaw," he said.

Framed Marco Pierre White (2007) "It was me," Ramsay said, years after his restaurant reservations book went missing and he blamed his one-time mentor. "I nicked it. I blamed Marco. Because I knew that would fuck him and that it would call off the dogs … It was my one stroke of genius, fucking someone over without his knowing that I was the one who done it. And the Italians cutting Marco off and wanting to get closer to me, kissing my ass.

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 13:00:34

So stop press: some people are arseholes and Gordon. Ramsay may be one. I still don't think a crappy publicity stunt is a major feminist issue but then I often feel I live o. A different planet to half the contributors here...

OK, natwebb - I think we have all got that you don't think it is a feminist issue, or a particularly serious issue. Other people disagree with your opinion - it doesn't make them humourless or stupid or aliens. And yes, you haven't called them that in those words, but that is the crystal clear impression I am getting!

How weirdconfused yanbu!
If he cannot trust his dd, a better option would be to abolyish boys from her room not spy on her, that is sick!

AmberLeaf Wed 30-Oct-13 13:15:41

This is all a massive publicity stunt to thank Go Pro for his free pass into the race. Hands up who had never heard of Go Pro before this, but now know they make really small cameras?

So if anyone out there wants a really small camera for the purposes of spying on someone then Go Pro is the brand you want?

Great PR.

Kasterborous Wed 30-Oct-13 13:25:55

He's a complete idiot anyway, never liked the bullying, swearing arse.

intitgrand Wed 30-Oct-13 13:26:26

FGS there are enough things to criticise GR for , but making a joke about keeping an eye on 15 yos to make sure they are not up to hanky panky, is not one and neither is not qualifying for Ironman.They want high profile celebs to raise the profile and attract sponsors.

natwebb79 Wed 30-Oct-13 13:28:36

Well with all due respect I wouldn't expect you to not fully analyse it and get offended, SDT. Obviously I over thought every word I used and meant in as malicious a way possible. Nobody would ever just say something without the consequences of their words being a blight to society. wink

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