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To be disgusted by Lady Gaga on the x factor tonight?

(150 Posts)
happydaze77 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:39:04

Do itv not realise that the clocks went back and it's only 8:30?! FFS Lady Gaga, put on some clothes!

usualsuspect Sun 27-Oct-13 20:39:32

She had her big pants on

HerBigChance Sun 27-Oct-13 20:40:24

The outfit was curiously odd and unsexy, I thought.

ScabbyOozingCarbuncle Sun 27-Oct-13 20:40:37

The woman is a total loon!

In my day we had real performers!

Who kept their clothes on.

And could sing!

LOLisNOTaPunctuationMark Sun 27-Oct-13 20:41:24

It was more the "you can do what you want with my body" lyric that made me hmm I never got the rest of the lyrics though...

happydaze77 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:42:23

It was ugly and unsexy, but still managed to be offensive. Quite a feat really.

bimbabirba Sun 27-Oct-13 20:42:34

She was wearing a bikini like you probably do too in front of many people when you go to the beach and the swimming pool.

Pollydon Sun 27-Oct-13 20:42:55

YABU, chill the fuck out or switch channels.

Shakey1500 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:43:57

Oh she can sing...

Think we can safely clear up the rumours that LG was in fact, a man though grin

aturtlenamedmack Sun 27-Oct-13 20:44:47

Agree with LOL - Didn't think her outfit was offensive but the lyrics that I caught were pretty horrible.
But a big part of her success is built on shocking people and really there isn't much left that does now.

SeaSickSal Sun 27-Oct-13 20:45:27

Her new music is bobbins.

mamadrama1986 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:46:19

I just had to point out to my DF that shevwas saying Venus, he thought she was saying penis...

WilsonFrickett Sun 27-Oct-13 20:46:28

I just found the whole thing odd really...

The song was rubbish, and the performance was about as sexy as a Yorkshire pudding. Usually I really like her.

HandragsAndGladbags Sun 27-Oct-13 20:46:54

Did you hear what she was saying afterwards though? That the song is a about how she is a performer, that the media can "do what they want with her body" so criticise how she looks, she is there to perform.

I didn't think it was provocative, seen far sexier on x factor than that.

FlabbyAdams Sun 27-Oct-13 20:47:42

A pile of shite was the verdict in our front room tonight.

defineme Sun 27-Oct-13 20:49:04

If your issue is the lack of clothes, but you think she looks 'unsexy' -what exactly was the issue? Surely people are usually offended by sexualised nudity?

Coldlightofday Sun 27-Oct-13 20:49:17

At least it wasn't made of steak..

Awks Sun 27-Oct-13 20:50:01

She should duet with Robin Thicke. Am sure she would change her mind when he splits her arse in 2 or whatever his vile song says.

And he said his song was about his wife and how se fancies him sooooo much. Liars, the pair of em.

I've met some very seductive Yorkshire Puddings. Winking and beckoning and whispering.

farmerswifey Sun 27-Oct-13 20:51:22

Oooh it Venus (not penis) that makes slightly more sense - well I say slightly....

headlesslambrini Sun 27-Oct-13 20:51:28

had to laugh when her sea-shell fell off and she had to pull the other one off.

LOLisNOTaPunctuationMark Sun 27-Oct-13 20:52:54

Did you hear what she was saying afterwards though? That the song is a about how she is a performer, that the media can "do what they want with her body" so criticise how she looks, she is there to perform.

Oh, i missed that. Went to make a cup of tea when she'd finished singing. grin Good on her, then. She got a lot of crap from the media earlier this year about her being 'fat'.

Chakkarollo Sun 27-Oct-13 20:53:23

I thought I saw a bit of camel toe

HandragsAndGladbags Sun 27-Oct-13 20:54:12

I, I feel good
I walk along
But then I trip over myself and I fall
I, I stand up, and then I'm OK
But then you print some shit that makes me wanna scream

[Pre-Chorus: Lady Gaga]
So do what you want
What you want with my body
Do what you want
Don't stop, let's party
Do what you want
What you want with my body
Do what you want
What you want with my body

Write what you want
Say what you want about me
If you're wondering
Know that I'm not sorry

See, now I think that is one of her more sensible songs grin

AlexaChelsea Sun 27-Oct-13 21:01:45

Lady G is a massive feminist, it's pretty bloody obvious that her songs aren't suggesting a man can 'do what they want with her body' in a sexual way.

Spirulina Sun 27-Oct-13 21:04:57

What's it being 8.30 got to do with it?

MrsWolowitz Sun 27-Oct-13 21:13:35

Lady G is a massive feminist, it's pretty bloody obvious that her songs aren't suggesting a man can 'do what they want with her body' in a sexual way.

No, she cannot be a feminist and write a song that features a male singing the lyrics:

"no invitations it’s a private party
do what I want, do what I want with your body
do what I want, do what I want with your body
yea we takin’ these haters and we roughin’ ‘em up
and we layin’ the club like we don’t give a fuck"

I would say that is very obvious that it is sexual.

Also, wearing a nude coloured swimsuit whilst humping the air on all fours does not lend itself to a being respectful towards women or being taken seriously for something other than a sex object.

happydaze77 Sun 27-Oct-13 21:16:09

Because it's before the 9pm watershed Spirulina

CoffeeTea103 Sun 27-Oct-13 21:17:26

Oh please do get over yourself! you should have changed the channel if you were so disgusted.

ReluctantBeing Sun 27-Oct-13 21:18:43

She is truly awful.

Bingdweller Sun 27-Oct-13 21:18:44

Looking forward to Gogglebox this week grin

MrsWolowitz Sun 27-Oct-13 21:19:31

Coffee Get over yourself. You could always change thread if you don't like this one.

fanjofarrow Sun 27-Oct-13 21:21:02

Gaga is gaga.

WorraLiberty Sun 27-Oct-13 21:23:22

A couple of sea shells and a pair of granny pants

Nothing to get het up over whether it was before 9pm or after.

aturtlenamedmack Sun 27-Oct-13 21:24:02

ahh that explains it then - I was a bit puzzled.
I usually find her lyrics comparatively intelligent, so on first listen I was fairly shocked - it didn't seem like her style!

LOLisNOTaPunctuationMark Sun 27-Oct-13 21:25:07

Me too, Bing. grin

HandragsAndGladbags Sun 27-Oct-13 21:28:29

But isn't R Kelly the voice of the media on the track? If you read the full lyrics, I think the male voice is the media voice and she is still arguing saying

Sometimes I'm scared I suppose
If you ever let me go
I would fall apart
If you break my heart
So just take my body
And don't stop the party

is how she finishes the song.

Figgygal Sun 27-Oct-13 21:29:43

I love her but tonight was not her best.....ahem!!

How can u be offended by what she was wearing?

DumDum32 Sun 27-Oct-13 21:30:23

darn it I missed it but am glad as it doesn't sound like something I would have watched with family sitting around. would have been a tad blush with my mom n dad present. though must admit I would have switched channels as soon as her name was mentioned. can u tell I'm not a gaga fan grin

horcruxmanzini Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:23

I only caught a brief glimpse but it all looked/sounded a bit 'Latvia, null points' to me.

AgadorSpartacus Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:49

Well OP there you go. Chill the fuck out and get over yourself.

The delightfuls of AIBU have spoken.
No more to be said.

killpeppa Sun 27-Oct-13 21:34:49

it was a pair of spanx- keep your hair on.

I'd walk like that into town if I had that figure!

WorraLiberty Sun 27-Oct-13 21:40:37

it was a pair of spanx- keep your hair on.

Well that's the beauty of Spanx

No need for a bikini wax at all grin

happydaze77 Sun 27-Oct-13 21:42:47

Not everyone on here has disagreed with me, but Ok, maybe I need to lighten up. I can be prudish Just didn't think it was appropriate when there's kids watching that's all.
Off to chill now wine

morethanpotatoprints Sun 27-Oct-13 21:45:45

So she wears daft stuff like meat dresses, not once expecting anybody to comment, lmao. Then, pretends to be upset because the media write about her, so she writes a crappy song about it to appeal to the less intelligent out there, who believe all this shite grin
Finally, she makes a lot of money out of these less than intelligent gullible people.
Can you tell I think its all bs, its the "emperors new clothes".

NicknameIncomplete Sun 27-Oct-13 21:55:06

I wish people would chill the fuck out. So what if children see a woman in her natural coloured normal everyday underwear.

landrover Sun 27-Oct-13 22:00:34

She did sing penis though! (just saying!!!!)

superstarheartbreaker Sun 27-Oct-13 22:07:47

Shes fabulous and has a great vouce. Totally bonkers though. I wasnt disgusted and tbh dd was in bed. I wouldn't have had kittens if shed seen it

Rowlers Sun 27-Oct-13 22:09:26

Telling the op to "chill the fuck out" is ill-mannered and rather juvenile.
Whether you are a "fan" or not, accept other people have their own, valid views. They might not match yours, though.

happydaze77 Sun 27-Oct-13 22:16:07

Thanks Rowlers. Unfortunately that's what AIBU can be like. Fortunately I don't give a rat's ass have thick skin though smile

WaitMonkey Sun 27-Oct-13 22:16:46

I like her.

Spirulina Sun 27-Oct-13 22:30:13

So what if kids saw it? It won't kill them, it was nothing!

Life doesn't revolve around kids.

Grip anyone...? hmm

singaporefling Sun 27-Oct-13 23:12:32

Yes remus i've also been seduced by (too) many a yorkshire pudding blush

Goofymum Sun 27-Oct-13 23:48:47

I thought she looked great. I also think she is a great role model for girls - she sings what she wants, dances how she wants, wears what she wants and is anti-bullying of any kind. So what if her dancing was provocative, how does that mean she is portraying herself as a sex object ? That's like saying she was asking for it cos she wore a short skirt. Also, like others have said, I have seen far worse things on TV before 9pm.

CointreauVersial Sun 27-Oct-13 23:55:45

The DDs (10 and 12) were slightly incredulous at the performance.

DD1 said she had "gone all Miley Cyrus".

DD2 just said "she's a bit mad".

FreakinRexManningDay Mon 28-Oct-13 00:02:33

Kids see far more at the swimming pool.

I think she's a great singer who has been vilified in the media for putting on a bit of weight. The constant stream of stick thin singers,both male and female has become the norm.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 28-Oct-13 01:04:21

So she has form for wearing a dress made from meat, a PVC contraption,a sheer body stocking made from ...well stockings, a red basque, a green swimsuit with wings, a lampshade, many more PVC contraptions, some bubbles, a bit of lace, her knickers and nothing else,the contents of someone's chicken shed and a cage.
As well as nothing at all lots.

When you heard she was appearing on the xfactor why exactly did you expect her to be compleatly dressed

MyBaby1day Mon 28-Oct-13 06:40:26

YANBU, thought it was awful and inappropiate.

killpeppa Mon 28-Oct-13 07:32:20

in role model terms I think she is great in all she stands for (gay rights, anti bullying ect)
yes she's eccentric but you always know she'll put on a show. it's just dress up. I've worn worse Halloween costumes (before having kids) haha.

I can see where some may feel it's a tad offensive but I didn't & would be fine if my children were older to watch it with them.

Mumof3xx Mon 28-Oct-13 07:35:31

She's clearly off her rocker

lottieandmia Mon 28-Oct-13 13:14:45

I didn't like it at all - it was totally weird. And she looked like she'd been trying on underwear in M&S.

usuallyright Mon 28-Oct-13 13:30:25

Gaga is queen of the universe and can do no wrong. She is a million times better than any dull act to stand on the X factor stage.

LordPalmerston Mon 28-Oct-13 13:32:29

all i will add is that I cant remember when a man needed to go and cavort around in his underwear during Prime Time tv

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 13:39:06

why did she hug sharon in her big pants ? I think she knew her outfit was unsexy she didnt mean for it to be sexy I think it was an arty pop at the likes of miley and Rhiana song is PANTS though grin

mignonnette Mon 28-Oct-13 13:43:43

Think I'll stick to my beloved Lou Reed who could give these young upstarts a few lessons on how to really shock without deliberately trying to.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Mon 28-Oct-13 13:59:29

Dull. Not "sexy". Not "outrageous" . Just dull.

BirdyBedtime Mon 28-Oct-13 14:03:26

I kind of agree with the OP - not so much about what she was wearing (although I thought it looked very unflattering) but more the air humping and the lyrics of 'do what you want'. Most young girls are going to hear that and not understand the more subtle undertext, but will hear 'do what you want with my body' and associate that with 'it's ok for a man to do what he wants with my body'. That's not a good message (although there are lots of tracks out there with worse in I know).
I just thought the songs were a bit rubbish TBH compared to her best tracks.

lottieandmia Mon 28-Oct-13 14:12:28

She hugged Sharon because the two of them have had a long standing feud apparently. The judges had not been given a chance to comment in case a fight broke out.

And I don't think she is any better than any other act - we're supposed to think she's arty and refreshing but she's controlled by the same people as Miley Cyrus from what I can gather.

NicknameIncomplete Mon 28-Oct-13 14:29:53

I agree with Things - it was just dull. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist over.

FunLovinBunster Mon 28-Oct-13 15:08:21

I don't watch X factor.
The whole premise is trash.
Giving instant fame to people with little or no talent.
Trashy judges.
Trashy guest acts.
Simon Cowell is just a manipulative orange twat.

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 15:21:07

I dont think she is really arty or pioneering lottie i just think that is what she is trying to put out iyswim it is all contrived nonsense and as somebody else said JUst dull,

Mumsyblouse Mon 28-Oct-13 15:37:44

I thought getting the X-Factor gang to sing 'your sex takes me to paradise' was worse, tbh. And deeply unsexy.

BurlyShassey Mon 28-Oct-13 16:32:30

Op, Im with you. I don't watch shit factor but these people know what theyre in for when they invite the Gagaa/Rhiannas/Xtinas/prob miley one day -on these progs BEFORE the watershed.

Cliff Richard they aint.

btw- bikinis are for the beach or the pool, not on a prime time tv show.

now if it was an episode of Benidorm.....

mrsjay Mon 28-Oct-13 16:42:01

TBH i am watching less and less of Xfactor FF is great grin most of it is guff and the stupid standard judges comments of you are the best of the night or you are world class abouteveryone gets on my wick

lottieandmia Mon 28-Oct-13 18:14:59

Yes I agree - contrived indeed.

Strumpetron Mon 28-Oct-13 18:55:23

I for one think she's brilliant.

She's a strong female, does what she wants, wears what she wants, dances how she wants. She doesn't try to be sexy, that much is obvious.

And to be honest women criticising her for and saying how she dresses isn't 'respectful for women'. Sorry what, are we in the 1950's? That's exactly the sort of attitude that oppresses women and makes us think showing our bodies is wrong and if we do it's for men's sexual gratification only hmm

I'm quite happy to believe she's a feminist. Lady Gaga bases her popularity/image on many things, but being a sexy has never really been one of them. I don't like her music much, but I respect the way she markets herself.

beaglesaresweet Mon 28-Oct-13 23:25:09

she's very creative musically, brave, independent, and she is a feminist (though she DOES talk too much between songs wink). She does what she wants on the stage, which is exactly what male rockers do, the sexiness is never dumb but something she wants to voice/express. And although it's mainly pop, she's a rock chic at heart. And a tomboy.

Outfit was ok, but there was a camel toe (not great grin), and yes, she did sing 'penis' - it's liberated. As to the few sexy body moves - there is a difference between this (i.e. woman portraying how she is enjoying sex) and the horrid cabaret style girls who fawn around a male singer and present their arses to him <vomits at Robert Thicke with his posse - and yes, Miss Cyrus too who hasn't got individuality of intelligence of Gaga>.

beaglesaresweet Mon 28-Oct-13 23:26:36

or, not 'of'

ILikeTrains Tue 29-Oct-13 06:20:07

I found it quite refreshing to have a female artist showing a realistic body shape. She's not super skinny, nor was she displaying unnaturally large anti gravity boobs, she wasn't plastered in make up with huge voluminous hair all created with fake hair extensions. She was very natural looking (once the wig came off).

SamU2 Tue 29-Oct-13 06:51:38

I think she is amazing!

Have you heard her just sing with a piano? she is amazingly talented.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 10:11:29

Never mind Xfactor what about the O2 advert on channel 4 at 9.45am? I don't care what her lyrics are I don't want my children seeing an almost naked woman gyrating and singing "do what you want with my body". They didn't hear the other lyrics to get the context. I thought watching Everybody loves Raymond was safe!! thlangry

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 10:14:16

And for what it worth I do enjoy her music but there's a suitable time and place FFS and I don't get all this to be a feminist you should strip of show your naked body and that you don't care. What a load of shit that is.....sounds like a mans reason.

lottieandmia Tue 29-Oct-13 10:24:28

There have been loads of complaints to Ofcom apparently.

lottieandmia Tue 29-Oct-13 10:26:29

She's no feminist - have any of you seen the video for 'Telephone'?

SooticaTheWitchesCat Tue 29-Oct-13 10:42:04

I personally don't like seeing all these semi naked woman prancing about on tv and x-factor is one of the worst for showing it. Women don't need to take their clothes off to be respected. For me it is just wrong and gives out a bad impression.

I'm with you OP, I wish they would put on some clothes too!

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 11:15:13

I put my complaint in this morning. I want to bring my daughter up with feminist ideals, I don't think that means I should allow subconscious imagery to tell her the only way is to use your body to send a message, surely that's counter productive?

By sending a message to society like this that can be misinterpreted the end result is women are just visual objects and playthings regardless of how clever the artist thinks they're being with their message. There's no point splitting hairs over it. Miley Virus and GAGA are the same.

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 11:23:06

I'm laughing at the notion that anyone would want to go to the bother of complaining about Lady Gaga. Whether she's a feminist or not depends on which version of feminism you subscribe to. My version is not so restrictive. Gaga is a performance artist. She often covers up, doesn't always wear very little on stage. I am full of mirth at the idea that she's comparable with Miley or Rhianna. Nope, she isn't.
I have no patience for women who have very rigid ideas about what is and isn't feminism. Please don't tell me what to think. Please don't tell me what I should be enraged about.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 11:25:09

At at the end of the day the reason for the nakedness and the type of video/lyrics is because it sells. She had a lifestyle to maintain don't fool yourself into thinking its a public service video. Fools, people who think she's helping any cause. She's a disgrace to females everywhere.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 11:29:56

I don't want her appearing at 9.30am unexpectedly. I avoid MTV and other such channels with my children around because I don't want them to see that. You know we don't even normally watch TV, so perhaps its more of a shock to me to see an advert like that than for someone who has been desensitised and conditioned.

Yes it's up to her but I don't want it in my face thank you. You have no patience with women who have rigid views about feminism, I have no patience for people who don't care about longterm societal implications.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 11:31:06

.....and it isn't feminism it's an excuse to make money.

Strumpetron Tue 29-Oct-13 13:01:09

Wow.

Words fail me.

cls77 Tue 29-Oct-13 13:21:59

I think shes a very talented artist, that needs to be careful that she isnt too extreme in the non clothes wearing/childbirth style poses. With that in mind though, I didnt think the performance on X Factor was an issue? She had the equivalent of a bikini on (or aerobics outfit!) and even included bridget style pants! Years ago people did wear next to nothing (Madonna and the pointed bra for one!) but thats all forgotten in order to put down the next genuinely talented artists. As long as she isnt hurting anyone then I dont see the problem, Rihanna was much worse last year!

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 13:39:35

I think if its on X Factor it should kind of be expected which is why i don't watch it. I complained about the new O2 advert that uses her video in it.

happydaze77 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:07:15

Nice to have to support <waves to Akifden and others in agreement> Better than being told to 'get the fuck over myself' thlbiscuit

happydaze77 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:12:37

*some support

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:13:49

Happydaze77 it says a lot when the only tv I feel comfortable watching around my children anymore is pre recorded or on demand and nothing featuring a music video!

I know people pull the Madona comparison and everything but that wouldn't have been all around you all the time....I don't recall ever seeing her on tv as a child and I don't think my parents were particularly careful.

happydaze77 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:19:50

It's the argument that being (near) naked and proud is an expression of feminism that makes me a bit confused thlhmm

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:31:27

Yes, it's the total obliviousness to the fact that like or not you these "artists" set themselves up to be objectified and funnier yet put themselves in the spot light and complain when the media comment. we all know Gaga did what she did because she doesn't care and all publicity is good and financially siund to her no matter the implications.

I wouldn't want to say more because people would say it's not her problem what men think etc....but actually it is the imagery all around is conditions young minds both female and male.

The X factor nonsense last night is really just the tip of the iceberg. Some shop windows would be allowed on TV and yet there it is thlsad

It's pathetic that for some women to feel empowered future generations have to be shown a warped reality. Perhaps one day they will grow up and realise the world does not exist purely for their own entertainment and selfish ends. Some of the comments opposing your OP are people yet to have children. So perhaps they only see things from their own perspective.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:36:01

sorry " some shop windows wouldn't be allowed on TV"

cls77 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:38:36

I have a child and I commented that I didnt think it was that much of an issue! How on earth would you know Akifden who has children and who does not?

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:42:08

They have stated it elsewhere

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:44:38

You know what if it's her right to be paraded around near naked (imitating nakedness) then surely it's a parents right to know if something unexpected is coming up in a programe or an advert and decide if its appropriate viewing for their child. Is that really too much to ask? Really?

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:45:46

I don't understand how people with children can bring themselves to be comfortable with the imagery and connotations of these displays.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:49:04

Out of curiosity cls77 what did your children think?

WilsonFrickett Tue 29-Oct-13 14:49:55

Whether people have children or not has nothing to do with the way they view GaGa or indeed any other form of art or culture. I find your insistence that it should odd, especially in the context of your stated feminism. I didn't change my tastes when I gave birth, why should I have? Becoming a parent doesn't make one become a different person.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 14:57:55

I haven't changed my tastes however I am considerate of what I do and watch around my children. I think that's just being sensible is it not? However it is becoming near impossible to do this with all the soft porn advertising around now. Lets face it that's what it is, dress it up how you like.

I wouldn't give my children alcohol or cigarettes why on earth should someone tell me it's reasonable to expose them to sexualised imagery.....

I can't believe I am having to go to such lengths to explain this.

cls77 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:05:01

My daughter has her own opinion of how gaga dresses/acts (she is 11) and is very aware of the current behaviours' being displayed by her old idols like Miley (who she now finds disgusting). If educated into the reasons why someone acts or dresses like that it doesn't mean you necessarily agree or would choose to behave like that. Its called living in society, and realising that people behave the way they do for different reasons. If we isolate our children from everything negative then are we preparing them for adulthood or are they going to be coming down with a huge thump, and feel very alone that they are not aware of this culture - which whether we like it or not is happening. We actually laughed at gagas performance as odd, but not because it was innappropriate but because it was odd! We even looked away at each other and said if you dont watch her for a bit, you get to hear the music more, and we were debating the whole thing together, isnt that better than "you're not watching that its not appropriate"

cls77 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:06:58

And incidentally Akifden it's a parents right to know if something unexpected is coming up in a programe or an advert and decide if its appropriate viewing for their child. They informed viewers several times last week and on Saturday evenings show that Lady Gaga would be on on Sunday, what other warnings would you need? Its Gaga

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 15:16:15

You daughter is older than my children, we were watching some early morning TV after breakfast this morning and got Gaga's video as part of the O2 advert. It's not really a subject I would broach with under 5's. As I said I don't mind her deciding to do this but adverts shouldn't crop up unexpectedly and I'm not at the watching X factor with my children stage but perhaps there should have been a warning so that parents who object could be prepared. I can even understand that perhaps what she was doing was having a go at Mileys performance but then there's the music video.....

Although you are aware how to handle these topics (you sound like you did a great job) there will be many parents who can't or don't care. What opinions do you think these children form without someone normal to discuss it with?

We all have responsibility.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 15:19:05

Like I said previously cls77 I don't watch X factor or indeed and reality drivel I commented on the thread because of the O2 advert feature Gaga's do what you want with my body video at inappropriate times and during inappropriate scheduling

TheArticFunky Tue 29-Oct-13 15:53:07

Ds (9) watched it and said that she is nuts and can't sing.

When she first came out she was quite clearly crazy and wearing cold cuts on her face kind of stopped her being as sexualised as other female singers gyrating in their bra and pants. As time as gone on her music has taken a downward turn and I feel quite sorry for her. I don't think she is this great feminist icon that she is held up as being. She seems very vulnerable and I just wish she would wear some clothes.

puffinnuffin Tue 29-Oct-13 15:59:50

I think it is sad that successful pop stars (male or female) feel that they have to writhe around the stage in a suggestive, lurid manner in order to get on TV and sell their music. If you are a good enough musician you don't need to do this as your talent will shine through. Or they have some sort of need to desperately seek attention or shock. If children watch this on TV they will want to copy.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 16:05:38

Just when I had lost my faith in common sense, I wish there was a like button!

Feel better now happydaze77?

thebody Tue 29-Oct-13 16:07:35

my dds aged 14 and 13 burst out laughing as did our older lads.

she was dancing in what looked like control pants and looked ridiculous.

she can't sing or dance and is only famous for being daft.

cls77 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:17:36

Akifden I completely agree with your O2 morning television complaint, weve only seen that ad once and it is too much. The sad thing is that Gaga is a very talented singer/songwriter, but the behaviour/dresscode is affecting peoples perception of her and taking away from the fact that she is a fabulous talent (look up YouTube Stephanie Germanotta, or Gaga RadioOneLive at the piano only) and you will see the talent without all the act.

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 16:24:43

"Long term societal implications"????? Lol!

Clutch away at your pearls,whilst I watch Gaga being fab and original as ever.

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 16:26:10

Oh, and I think they were going on about 'societal implications' over fifty years ago when a guy called Elvis was clutching his cock on stage and making women faint.
The complaints did fuck all then too.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 16:27:02

cls77 I have some of her albums, I actually have quite wide and varried taste in music some of it I know is unsuitable for my children due to language etc but it doesn't stop my appreciating and enjoying it when they're not around ( I actually have a life despite my dedicated presence today thlgrin) Thanks I'll look up the suggestions.

I'm pleased someone understood what I'm trying to say. I think she was perhaps having a go at Miley on X factor but I still think music videos and artist appearances are too much. The reason the advert has snuck through is because as I society we appear to be accepting of it.

It's historically how societies boundaries are pushed little by little. At the end of the day performers are in it to make money and they know sex = publicity = money

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 16:31:53

yeah and it's not changed that much since the early days of rock half a century ago, only then it was mostly men like Jim Morrisson and Elvis clutching their groins and having sex with the camera to shift records. People like sex and I can't be worried about 'societal implications'
Anyone would think Gaga had a gang bang on stage Sunday night, judging by some of the odd reactions here.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 16:40:04

Usuallyright you're totally missing the point go and put your head back wherever it's most comfortable

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 16:42:32

And just how often would they be seen on camera? Answer? Not very often at all, we live in a very different age of instant media. Not many children under 5 would have seen Elvis.

WilsonFrickett Tue 29-Oct-13 16:50:03

Akifden I would ask you if you meant to be so rude to usually but it's clear you did hmm

What opinions do you think these children form without someone normal to discuss it with? - define 'normal' - is it someone who agrees with you? Or can anyone be normal?

WilsonFrickett Tue 29-Oct-13 16:51:55

Also I think children under 5 are the ones we shouldn't be worried about. They have no context - it's just a silly lady wearing a bikini singing a song, or Elvis groin-thrusting. Incidentally Elvis was considered so shocking that even hearing him on the radio was a corrupting influence - no need for instant media.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 16:56:46

Don't be ridiculous that's how under fives learn they understand more about context than anything else! How else do you think they understand language, inference and a million other concepts so quickly

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 16:57:38

Akifden, when you say 'missing the point'
I think you meant to say: 'having a difference of opinion'
And 'putting my head back wherever it belongs' is the funniest insult ever. Thanks for the much needed giggle.
Surreal.

WilsonFrickett Tue 29-Oct-13 16:58:48

Please don't tell me I'm being ridiculous. I find it very rude.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 16:59:35

Someone who sounds as capable of having a conversation with their child as the poster I was responding too? Wasn't that clear?

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:00:26

I don't mind a difference of opinion it's great to debate somet

Strumpetron Tue 29-Oct-13 17:01:21

Lady Gaga expresses her sexuality without doing so to appease men. That's what I like. She was told to tone go back to how she was at first - think thin, 'normal' and men thought she was 'fit'. She refused and carried on being the woman we know and love.

I think it's brilliant to see a woman on TV like her. Who's not all about being sexy for your man but feeling it for yourself.

Her music isn't usually my style at all, I'm an oldie metal fan, but I like hers and I like what I've read about her and what she's done for women's and gay rights. Which most celebrities in her position don't give a fuck about.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:01:35

Sorry.... Sometimes you learn things but to compare media exposure if Jim Morrison or Elvis to the media exposure a musician has today is too simplistic media has changed massively in even just the last 5 years

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:02:10

I don't think she l

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:03:51

What is wrong with this phone!! Sorry again. I don't think she looks particularly heavy thlconfused could that be some spin to possibly grab more media attention?

Strumpetron Tue 29-Oct-13 17:05:40

An it's shit how if a woman bares flesh it's always about sex. Fucks sake some of just like embracing the bodies we have and not covering up! If you associate nakedness automatically with sex then that's your problem.

Strumpetron Tue 29-Oct-13 17:06:35

akifden there a few photos where she looks a bit 'chunky' and the media tried to bully her about it. Horrible.

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 17:06:36

it's not much different. Elvis was on the telly. He was banned from certain programmes. He caused moral outrage.
People will always mix music and sexuality until the world stops turning. I keep my younger daughters away from the likes of Rhianna and Miley, especially rhiannas last video and Hannah Montana naked on a wrecking ball=no thanks.
But Gaga? I see what she's doing, what motivates her, and that performance was tame, really tame. I don't get the moral outrage, I really don't.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:07:46

Not really there was a dive advert a while ago with naked women in it, the context was appropriate and not sexualised at all. Why else are female pop artists exposing themselves? I don't need to see nakedness to appreciate music.....

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:08:16

Dove not dive

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:12:32

usuallyright I didn't say belongs I said most comfortable, but I'm glad you enjoyed my attempt at humour.

wilsonfrickett it's a huge disservice to young children and insult to their intelligence to presume they don't understand context.

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 17:15:22

why? Because people like having sex, being sexual, provocative and sexy. Look at artists like Prince, Madonna, George Michael, Aerosmith, The Doors, Elvis, Tina Turner, Cher etc etc.... Music is sexy, dancing is sexy, human beings are very sexual. We communicate through music and dance. Look at Strictly. They're almost having sex when dancing, most of 'em. Sex is what makes us tick.
Keep the seedy Robin Thicke/Rhianna type stuff away from the kids, but Gaga in a bikini? Can't see an issue.

usuallyright Tue 29-Oct-13 17:18:02

also, if you watch closely, Gaga had a wardrobe malfunction.
One of the shells fell off the bikini top, so she removed the other one. The shells followed the 'Venus' theme, they completed the look etc.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:18:20

I suppose we all draw our lines in different places but it doesn't mean the level of acceptability can't be challenged from the other end of the spectrum.

For what's its worth the pop video (what I saw of it in the O2 advert) is inappropriate for day time TV.

WilsonFrickett Tue 29-Oct-13 17:19:31

But small children don't understand context. They form understanding of it, of course they do, but they can only contextualise within their own experience.

I very much doubt for eg if my DS8 would have taken sexual context from Gaga's performance - which I did watch, in full, not just an ad. But actually, that's probably because it wasn't that sexual. As I said up top of the thread, I thought it was odd. I didn't get it. But I don't think it was particularly sexual, certainly not in terms of Miley/Rhianna etc.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:25:05

It was an excerpt from the video so not the performance itself and it was very sexual.....google the video there's bound to be a you tube clip of the advert somewhere. She looks like she's jumping balloons

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:26:04

Humping not jumping blush

WilsonFrickett Tue 29-Oct-13 17:27:38

So we've been talking about two separate things? I haven't even seen the video.

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:31:31

The video feature in an O2 advert that I saw for the first time at 9.30am this morning shock sorry if I was unclear

Akifden Tue 29-Oct-13 17:49:00

I also don't want my DD or DS's to grow up thinking that kind of imagery us normal and even at this age if they saw it often enough they would.

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