to think the 'old' dr who episodes are so much better

(53 Posts)
southeastastra Sat 26-Oct-13 08:25:57

as they don't have that awful operatic music in the background

Oodisgonnagetya Sat 26-Oct-13 08:35:56

I quite like the music but the storylines are better without all the romance stuff in , ok some might fall for him but not everyone and Amy pissed me off as she was engaged.

Oodisgonnagetya Sat 26-Oct-13 08:36:38

Actually Amy pissed me off full stop. But I loved Rory poor bloke

RustyBear Sat 26-Oct-13 08:42:15

I love Murray Gold's music! And I don't find it too intrusive in th enew series.

The classic series has some great stories, and I have been a fan since 1963, but watching them again after seeing the new ones, they do seem to be straining to fill their 4 or 6 25 minutes episodes and I can't help thinking how they could have been better done in the new format.

dawntigga Sat 26-Oct-13 08:44:36

YABU, they are both a product of their time and both have things to recommend them.


PedantMarina Sat 26-Oct-13 08:46:03


The old Drs Who were ground-breaking, brilliant for its time, etc, but just not a patch on the quality of most of the modern ones. The writing is better, the camerawork and special effects work wonderfully and whilst I don't think that a big budget equals quality, it is money well spent.

Mind, DP and I have isshoos with how much we perceive the modern series are pandering to the American market. Viz that completely implausible motorcycle ride through London that managed to take in most major landmarks, and how it seems every episode has to have, dropped in "Dr WHO?", Enough already.

maillotjaune Sat 26-Oct-13 08:51:13

Oh yes Pedant they are so obviously making it US friendly which I don't get, isn't the Britishness what they like?

ForwardSheCried Sat 26-Oct-13 08:54:30

Peter Davison was my big crush when I was a tiny little girl. blush

KirjavaTheCorpse Sat 26-Oct-13 09:11:12


Moonstorm Sat 26-Oct-13 09:20:19

They seem to be braking all the unwritten rules:

Dr falling in love with assistant/ mentioning dr who all the time (calling him that), and more that I can't remember at the moment

hiddenhome Sat 26-Oct-13 11:31:12


We don't bother watching now. Even dh gets bored and always criticises them. They just seem to be full of special effects and frantic rushing around. No real story going on hmm

PedantMarina Sat 26-Oct-13 17:24:47

Yes and no, YellowSwimCossie: a hard core of Americans like/d Dr Who, and that's OK, but it seems they're trying to extend it from the cult and geek circles to EveryIdiot, and that's wrong. The people [in america] who really like and appreciate Dr Who won't be particularly impressed, and it'll just piss off the British core market.

The market is crowded with crap dramas and scifi written by committee where too much money is thrown at too little talent. Dr Who shouldn't try to compete in this market. It didn't used to, and needs to remember those roots, at very least.

PedantMarina Sat 26-Oct-13 17:35:19

Am watching Turn Left now, and am in tears. If this was crap, that wouldn't be happening.

BTW, re how crap the Americanism is, want to hear a horror story? I was in the States last year, and watched an episode on BBC America. OMGs!!! Not only are there advert breaks (I was used to this as a possibility - which is why episodes are 45 minutes long these days - almost all American television starts rigidly on the hour or half-hour), but they're, like every 7-10 minutes - barely enough time to get into the story before you're yanked out to be harangued to buy something.

There was the teaser, then a dropped-in piece of crap starting with "My name is Amy Pond, and I met a men ..." YES! They have to be told, at the beginning of every episode, what it's all about, gods forbid somebody might have to do a little Google to find out.

Spoon fed. The two most evil words in the multiverse. Spoon fed.

AChristmassyJerseySpud Sat 26-Oct-13 18:13:13

I loved the 9th Doctor


NormanBatesTheForeman Sat 26-Oct-13 18:25:59

Interesting! Ds has never been interested in the new Dr Who programmes, but recently we were watching some re-runs of the ones from the 60s and 70s and he loved them!

PedantMarina Sat 26-Oct-13 18:51:07

I'd bet cash money your DS has a past life Norman.

What else would explain my ability, from the word go with no formal training, to function perfectly in a hoopskirt

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 18:58:21

watching the old ones on Watch tv over the weekends and todays was shock with Adric. sadnever seen that one before.and the silence at the end credits, no music. eerie. brilliant.

what pees me off about the newer ones is the constant 'lets get the obligatory gay reference/snogging/fancying the doctor/dig at God/sexual references/messing about with the best designs of cybermen (like 5th docs ones) and daleks and ice warriors/only 1 assistant most of the ime these days/etc etc tc.every single episode.

and John Simm as the master. no one matches Anthony Ainly.

the old ones had more story, yes some were camp but these days its too in competition with other sci-fi and therefore the sfx/noise/roances have to be bigger and stuff.

lookin soooo forwardto Capaldi though.

Watchatalltimes Sat 26-Oct-13 19:06:15

YANBU - I love watching the old episodes of Dr Who. The new episodes may have the fancy technical effects but the old ones have more of a story to them but I am really looking forward to seeing the new doctor.

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 19:12:19

i love MurrayGolds music too, loved the proms when we went there, but the bits and pieces of music in the old ones had more impact IMO.

i loved the old style tardis inside too.plain and simple with the discs on the wall, and cleaner looking. ANd theyd go o more rooms in the Tardis too, not like now.

RustyBear Sat 26-Oct-13 19:14:34

Burly - Roger Delgado was better than Anthony Ainley - AA's laugh was just too self-consciously evil.

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 19:32:15

Rusty I loved Roger D as the master too, and even Eric Roberts was goo. John simm was crap.

the masters the pantomime villain, the 'emperor Ming' and Simm just looked like tenant brother.

but mine was AA, he was just mega pantomime!more animated for me.

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 19:49:07

I love both Classic Who and New Who. Never got on with Jon Pertwee, but everyone else is great. I love the music for the new series, but I do also enjoy the plinky-plonky of the old school. I'm basically anybody's for a pint of cider and black wink

Looking forward to Capaldi like Oh My God.

BruthasTortoise Sat 26-Oct-13 19:57:00

YABU. Just that really smile but then Eccleston is MY Doctor.

ScaryNutellaFangs Sat 26-Oct-13 20:06:41

Every series has had it's high and low points.

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 20:07:52

I love old and I love new. I just love all of it to the point where my husband might sometimes thing I'm deranged.

Most importantly though BRING ON 12 BECAUSE I'M READY TO LOVE HIM RIGHT NOW!!!!

Letticetheslug Sat 26-Oct-13 20:09:17

Depends what you define as 'old' , I remember William Hartnell and his granddaughter Susan

RustyBear Sat 26-Oct-13 20:13:53

Just got back from a day in London, went to Forbidden Planet and came back with DVDs of The Krotons, Tomb of the Cybermen, Three Doctors, Robots of Death, Kinda and Snakedance.

Now all I need is for the electricity to stay on so I can watch them....

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 20:15:17

THINK that's Capaldis voice on the new Anchor butter ad btw!

Love Matt Smith as he encapsulates the old doctors so well, the crochhiness of 1, the hand rubbing and fashion of 2, the dandiness of 3, the mad of 4, the youthfulness of 5, the loudness of 6, th dodderiness of 7, the nimbleness of 8, the grumpiness of 9, the co ordination and speed of 10, and his own stance too.

but seeing all the old ones, well so far ive loved them all. Colin Baker tomorrow.

NotMeNotYouNotAnyone Sat 26-Oct-13 20:19:30


I got into series 5 of dr who which led me to go back and watch all the rest of new who and then as much old who as I can. I adore matt smith and the ponds but also love Patrick troughton and tom baker, Sarah Jane and ace. Even if you prefer old who, new who is a door into that for a generation that didn't grow up with who (like me and matt smith and most of the new who companions)

There are times when I think the underplayed silence of old who is far better but other times when the dramatic music and slo mo of new who makes me cry (I sob at angels take Manhattan every time !)

I wasn't fussed on the daleks at first in new who, but find them the scariest enemies in old who, I think because you can't see that it's an actor in a suit like with most of the others. Like, I know it still is but you can't see it do can suspend disbelief easier.

New who has some fantastic monsters ( weeping angels, vashta nerada or however you spell it) and has also
Done some fan stories with old monsters like the daleks and ice warriors.

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 20:19:30

Ah Colin Baker, how I hated him. Just because he 'killed' my Doctor. Have since mellowed to him, but I still despise that coat...

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 20:21:39

I do love Troughton, very much. Had a bit of a crush - and he is Cole Hawlings, so is proper magic, which might be obvious to anyone who recognizes my NN.

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 20:23:23

I've really been enjoying Troughton's episodes lately. He was magnificent. Im going to miss Smith hugely because he's been so utterly perfect, however Capaldi gives me such a huge ladyboner when he speaks and by how he just simply exists on the same planet As me that I have no idea how the fuck I'm ever going to be able to concentrate on another episode ever again! sad grin

NormanBatesTheForeman Sat 26-Oct-13 20:29:02

Yes, yes to Roger Delgado as the Master, and Patrick Troughton as the Dr. smile

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 20:31:16

Well I'm back to actually fancying the Doctor, too. I enjoyed the break from that with Smith, because it did feel pretty odd fancying the Doctor the way I did with Tennant. But I think that was because I was a child the first time round - had I been a grown up I definitey would have had a crush on Davison.

But yes, Capaldi is proper sexy, and I'll hear no word against that. Especially not from my teenager.

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 20:35:29

He'd get it from me until one of us died. But I doubt that'll be in any of series 8!

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 20:39:31

Ive fancied Peter Davison (especially when he was in all creatures great and small), Paul McGann (but ONLY as the doctor, hes meh otherwise),
Eccloestone a BIT, and Matt Smith too. even Troughton had something about him.

As for Capaldi, there'll be a catfight cos my claws are out for him too grin. positively loin warming!

fanciable companions- Jamie McCrimmon, Rory Williams, and Turlough a bit.

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 20:44:18

I still can't believe that Peter actual Capaldi is going to be Doctor Who. It's like the most amazing thing to happen EVER!

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 20:47:44

You should have seen me when it was announced. Everyone was in utter shock as I jumped around the room like the crazy person I am. It was most invigorating. I mean come on, after all that build up, thinking nah, they'd never go with Capaldi now they've switched to doing the younger thing, and then yes, Zoe Ball said 'Peter Fucking Capaldi' (WEll, ok, she didn't, that was how I heard it). Awesome. Still get the buzz from it.

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 20:48:49

Malcolm glad youre as saddolooking forward to it as megrin. the amount of times ive been called a saddo geek! I don't care, I really don't.

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 20:51:12

Kay you and I are flicking from one WHO thread to the other! and I was same at the announcement.grin

Other posters- we're also on Telly Addicts site so come on over!

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 21:07:00

How could anyone ever complain that this man is not just sex on a sonic stick.

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 21:11:00

This is my favourite grin

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 21:12:20

P.s watch this if you can (need to register but it's SO worth it) or just watch the second one.

Oh and this

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 21:13:34

phwoooaaarrr at the links!

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 21:15:24

He IS the perfect human being!

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sat 26-Oct-13 21:17:47
DrankSangriaInThePark Sat 26-Oct-13 21:21:12

I am marking my place if that's OK, as am in furrinland and need to go to bed.

(I was on the other thread talking about a plastic human eating monstery chair!) grin

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 21:28:29

OP, look what you started! grin. Always time for a good old WHO thread!

So basically we all love ALL the doctors and ALL things WHO.

BTW is it just me or were the old cybermen (like the ones today on Earthshock) sexy??????

KayHarker Sat 26-Oct-13 21:31:56

I was thinking that... tight boiler suits are obviously more interesting sexually than metal armour.

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 21:36:05

they looked like the Stigs alien cousins grin. glad someone else found them sexy!

Kasterborous Sat 26-Oct-13 21:39:02

Hmm, you aren't being totally unreasonable. I do prefer the old series, but really like the 2005 onwards series too. Sometimes the new series is a bit style over substance, but I am very glad they brought it back. That said give me a Tom Baker story especially The Seeds of Doom over any Eccleston/Tennant/Smith story any day.

BurlyShassey Sat 26-Oct-13 21:45:07

its like the Star Trek stuff isn't it? the newer stuff gave new fans a insight and an urge to rediscover the old stuff.

Im glad Who came back, its bigger than ever and that makes the old ones bigger than they were too IYKWIM.

I got into WHO with Ecclestone, even though I watched a couple of Davison cos I fancied him (!) but because of the newer I finally got into the old ones (same with Star Trek)and now Im a mahoosive Trekkie AND Whovian!

BurlyShassey Sun 27-Oct-13 17:52:34

Nothing but tripe on tv tonight so weve just put on the 5 Doctors on the dvd.

Brig! Susan! K9! The MAster (Anthony, my fave one)! Daleks! fab!

wish theyd do the 12 Doctors!

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