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AIBU to think THESE PEOPLE are the reason.....

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Hegsy Thu 24-Oct-13 14:03:35

for so many people to believe that everyone on benefits is 'scum'? I'm enraged! If he didn't get his benefits he would go robbing?!? WTactualF? I was on JSA earlier this year because of redundancy and all I received was a paltry £72 a week and my DH was expected to support me over and above that. How has this man gotten away with not working? and those poor babies, how is it healthy for the mother to have so many pregnancies so close together?

sorry its daily fail

He has such an entitled attitude! Gah!

hiddenhome Thu 24-Oct-13 14:06:42

Well, they could raise some money by selling some of the kids.......and that daft snake.

KissesBreakingWave Thu 24-Oct-13 14:07:31

The amount of stuff the Daily Hate has made up in the past, I'm minded to think that yon fellow doesn't exist, or if he does, his circumstances are not as described.

NotYoMomma Thu 24-Oct-13 14:13:04

I worry more about the dc in that article. the pic of the younger girl surrounded by mould and damp and the travel cot looks manky

there will be people kicking off about benifit bashing (and rightly so) but there are sadly people who choose it and feel the world owes them something.

its quite a goady article though.

and WTAF is up with the snake?

Vajazzler Thu 24-Oct-13 14:13:24

Ewww the mould in the house is grim. No child should be living like that.

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 14:14:50

Two options here really

1. Your very silly for believing what you read


2. He's very silly if he said those things and he cannot do basic maths and despite not being in any exempt criteria group he is indeed exempt from several benefit rules that apply to everybody else in the country.

I wonder which one it is.

Now I could go through that article and list every single statement that is inconsistent with the rules as well as a few other oddities but I can't be bothered and I'm far to preoccupied with trying to will my heartburn to go

CackleCackle Thu 24-Oct-13 14:16:23

Those poor kids living with all that damp and mould.

ImperialFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 14:18:58

I read that article and thought (as I do every time there's an article like that in the Daily Mail) that the press shouldn't have the right to take photos of the children.

Those poor kids - now everyone in their classes in school knows what kind of conditions they live in, knows what kind of person their dad is etc. It's really awful. And parents who give that permission are disgusting.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 14:19:43

Well, where do I start...
- regardless of the number of children they are having and their attitude to finances and work, they are living (With 9 children) in a house that is covered with damp, is way too small for them and is in a horrible state of disrepair. Even if they only had 2 kids, it was still be awful and unfit for them to live in. Mould that is causing respiratory problems for the children. Overcrowding that is impacting on the children's education.
- The posing of the kids next to the 'luxury' items is just grim and the daily mail have out done themselves. But is it really a luxury when you're being totally and utterly ripped of by some weekly finance company? And having a big washing machine and a tumble drier is hardly a luxury only deserved by the middle classes. when you live in a house with a hideous damp problem and you've got 9 kids to clothe.
- He says he was advised to get off income support and on to job seekers, and that his claim for DLA was denied. How many disabled people on these boards have been turned down for DLA and other disability benefits? Being sanctioned for not applying for enough jobs doesn't mean he isn't applying for a lot. People here are being sanctioned for only spending 30 hours a week job searching, when they should be spending 35 hours a week. I would hardly call those people lazy scroungers.
- The council have an obligation to protect the vulnerable, which in this case is the children. Children in unsuitable and unhealthy housing. So yes, they should get a bigger house.

Of course there is a situation here (poor choices with regard to finances and having more babies, issues around working and priorities for spending etc) and that does need addressing. But, yes, they should be put into a bigger house. One that preferably isn't going to make their children ill.

cantspel Thu 24-Oct-13 14:20:40

The mould around the windows is condensation mold and a good clean with a bleach and water solution would get rid of it then wiping downs the windows each morning.

Hegsy Thu 24-Oct-13 14:20:56

sock I would be quite interested in the inconsistencies, this year claiming JSA was a first for me(and hopefully a last) but I found it a very intimidating environment.

I gathered from that article that he had 'opted out' of signing on and that was why they were getting so much in tax credits as effectively they have no income? Tax credits can't be sanctioned like JSA can they?

notyomamma I'm trying so hard not to think about the children too much because thats just going to send me into 'that's not fair' and 'why do they deserve kids and I don't' mentality and that is not a healthy place for me.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 14:21:29

Don't believe much the DM posts - their agenda is so obvious and they are a lying, stirring, manipulative POS. This family makes me shake my head as I think the kids will be massively let down and have no chance to really spread their wings and reach their possible potential, that's sad.

boschy Thu 24-Oct-13 14:23:08

jeez, imagine wanting a washing machine and tumble dryer when you have 9 kids? entitled fuckers. and the £12 a week fridge freezer (Brighthouse?) that's outrageous. wanting your kids not to breathe in damp spores - surely only for those who can afford to pay their way?

BUT BUT BUT... why have 9 children and then another one? there are big families and then there are really quite out of the ordinary big families.

KirjavaTheCorpse Thu 24-Oct-13 14:24:00

Those children look dirty and unhappy and that house is in a shocking state. They shouldn't be living like that, those poor kids.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 14:25:51

I can understand having a big family actually, when she says she was adopted and never had any brothers and sisters, and he had a big family. I might be reaching a bit here, but if she had spent some time in care I could easily see why she would be drawn to having a big family of her own. I read this article in the Metro yesterday and she was commenting that her kids are well behaved, doing well at school and never get in any trouble, and that people comment over how well manned and generally nice they are. She sounded really proud of that (as she should).

FoxyRevenger Thu 24-Oct-13 14:26:32

I don't give a shit what he says, but no little children should be living and sleeping in a mouldy, damp house. In the 21st century. That's unnecessary.

angelos02 Thu 24-Oct-13 14:26:45

Why should he get a bigger house? Genuine question. If he was working and looking after his family financially himself, he wouldn't get a bigger house.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:28:48

The thing is though, if he had NO MONEY there would be very little options for him and everyone needs money! I'm not condoning stealing off another person of course but I have wondered what on earth I would do if my money just stopped one day... there aren't many options.
Also, while speaking of committing crimes against people is shocking to a lot of (most?) people, the background of the person or the environment they live in makes a huge, massive difference! It would be lovely if this man had a job but in reality it's not that simple, not just because of the job situation but the fact that there are so many jobs where he'd make less than he can afford to make.
They do live in a council house which means that the council are allowing the children to live in a house which isn't suitable for them. Of course it was their choice to have the children but...they're born now and need to be taken care of financially, simple as that.

ZombieMonkeyButler Thu 24-Oct-13 14:29:12

Oh deary me, another benefits lifestyle thread.

I'm not saying that there are not people like this around - there are. But they are so few & far between compared to families who have no choice but to rely on some level of benefits.

However, as this is a DM article I'd take it for the sensational, muck raking, badly worded & exaggerated rubbish it probably is.

If your question was more "IABU to think that articles like this are the reason so many people believe that everyone on benefits is scum?", then I would says YANBU without any hesitation whatsoever.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 14:29:54

Daily Fail need to keep pushing their 'benefit scum' agenda don't they. Damp and mould is not good for anyone. If they were a couple with a mortgage and two children,dad working and their house was mouldy and damp the Daily Fail would have their 'poor us' story complete with sad face pictures.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:29:56

Oh he just began working, great! He's taking steps forward then and I'm not too sure why it's in the news!

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 14:30:03

If he was working and lived in those conditions and had that many kids he would get help with bigger/more suitable house. No private landlord would get away with letting a house in that state, surely?

cantspel Thu 24-Oct-13 14:30:12

If he wants to have 10 children and a bigger house he should he should get off his arse and support them. This is clearly not a case of a hard working family that have fallen on harder times due to redundancy or illness but a life style choice that someone elses taxes are expected to pay for.

ZombieMonkeyButler Thu 24-Oct-13 14:30:54

Also a "news"paper article loses me as soon as it starts mentioning how many TVs the family own......

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:31:05

angelos, it's not just HIM getting the bigger house though, there are ten other people there and the house isn't fit for them to live in (mould and damp)

ohmymimi Thu 24-Oct-13 14:31:19

It's the Vile, eliciting a knee-jerk response from its readership is its stock in trade. Dacre knows his audience and how to sell dross to them. Truth, accuracy, balance are anathema to our tabloids.

NotYoMomma Thu 24-Oct-13 14:31:26

just because you are on benefits why can't you keep the house you have in good order and clean?

cut the grass etc?

he has more time than most too.

why are they having more kids? sad

Dobbiesmum Thu 24-Oct-13 14:31:37

I would never trust an article from the DM since they trashed a family in one of these 'look at the benefit scum demanding a new house stories'.
Turns out that the new house didn't cost nearly as much as they said the mum was recovering from cancer, totally glossed over the fact that as a first time mum at the age of 14 she was essentially an abused child, she had her grandchild living with her and I'm not even sure that they got the number of bedrooms right...
Whatever people may think of benefits or large families when 'news' papers can't even get facts right it doesn't exactly inspire you to believe what they say.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:31:58

''But he said he recently began working as a vehicle recovery driver, investing in a £2,000 van. ''

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 14:32:39

Hands up if you don't want your taxes to go towards protecting vulnerable children and ensuring that they don't have to live in damp, overcrowded, dirty conditions?


Didn't think so. Since we all have hearts and brains.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 14:32:41

Parents like this are probably damaged (so she was brought up in care) and unable to make sensible decisions. Unfortunately it's the kids (and often society) that end up paying the price. I doubt there are loads of families with this many kids though.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 14:33:03

The mould pictured really bothers me, and I think more attention needs to be paid to anyone living in rented property with mould.

Its not acceptable and it can be gotten rid of if you stop the source of water.

MinesAPintOfTea Thu 24-Oct-13 14:34:13

They emphasise the "posh" electricals without mentioning that Brighthouse don't tend to have the low-end stuff and being able to pay weekly is very useful to those without the means to save or get conventional credit.

They obviously don't have everything, look at the state of the house and the children. Sleeping in a travel cot, mould on the walls and what really got me is the pink PJs. I had that exact pair of pyjamas as a little girl (loved them and refused to give them up when I was clearly too tall for them). That was 20+ years ago. How many of you have children wearing twenty year old pyjamas?

Maybe they should have stopped having children, but having them hasn't improved their financial position much and how many people on here are told they won't regret the extra child their heart wants but they aren't sure they can afford?

Hegsy Thu 24-Oct-13 14:36:54

zombie put what I wanted to say more succinctly in one sentence than I did in a ranty paragraph. It's not that couple per se but all articles about benefits are always at the extreme end of the spectrum. I AM NOT having a go at people on benefits, not at all, I understand it can happen but I hate the fact we live in a society where for some it is more beneficial to stay on benefits than work.

I don't agree anyone should live in a house like that and the HA need to get their finger out and sort it.

Wannabestepfordwife Thu 24-Oct-13 14:38:43

I might not agree with the choices the parents have made but those poor kids do not deserve to be overcrowded and living in conditions like those.

Surely it's going to cost the nhs a fair wack to keep treating the children for respiratory problems

friday16 Thu 24-Oct-13 14:42:29

Parents like this are probably damaged (so she was brought up in care) and unable to make sensible decisions. Unfortunately it's the kids (and often society) that end up paying the price.


And even if you decide that they enjoy perfect moral agency and are responsible for every bad decision they made and should be punished for them (^arguendo^, of course: you'd have to be a Daily Mail journalist to think that) it still isn't the children's fault. Demanding that children be punished in order to get at their parents is just vile, even if (as I don't) you think the parents should be objects of punishment, rather than of something between pity and sympathy.

SisterMonicaJoan Thu 24-Oct-13 14:45:05

All this talk of luxury washing machines and TVs is sickening, like they shouldn't be allowed a washing machine and dryer and when was the last time you saw an old style big TV to buy. Truth be told, these items are probably from Bright House or the like and costing them £2 a week for the next 20 years.

Wow, so they "get" £32K in benefits hmm I wouldn't want to live in that house for that - would you? Imagine how much gets spent on food, clothes, toiletries etc. for a family of that size.

But agreed, the mold does look like condensation mold and can be treated with bleach or a mold killer wash solution but I think the problem is too ingrained for a simple treatment now.

cantspel Thu 24-Oct-13 14:46:15

But the house is not the problem. If you look at the photos it looks like part of a 1980's housing association estate. The windows are modern double glazing and not that old from the look of them.

The mold is mainly in wet areas, bathroom and around windows which could be dealt with very easily by using beach to clean the spores and then keeping the windows dry and ventilating the bathroom. And with 11 people in the house they should be using dehumidifiers to remove the extra moisture from the air. Giving them a new bigger house wont solve the problem as they clearly dont know how to look after the one they have got.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Thu 24-Oct-13 14:47:52

those poor kids sad none of them look happy or particularly clean and well looked after. Maybe its the surroundings though? Yes the house is mould ridden and it needs a longterm solution to deal with it but in the meantime why the fuck haven't the parents actually thought to clean the worst of it off the walls? It looks like the travel cot in one of the pictures needs chucking out because that appears to have mould on it too. And 1 of those children apparently sleeps in that hmm

I know the DM want people to be frothing at the mouth at the "lazy benefit scroungers, how dare they live on taxpayer money" but I'm frothing more at the lazy sods that wont help themselves make their home more habitable and instead seem intent on making it as disgusting and crammed with children as possible with the mindset that local council will somehow magic up a bigger house for them to probably never clean out of thin air. That isn't how it works, never has been. If there are no suitable houses it really is tough shit, at least that's what I and everyone else I know whos been on the neverending social housing list.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 14:48:20

The damp and mould is unacceptable and should be sorted out. Rental properties should be up to scratch. And bitching about the grass, does't look that bad for this time of year - just shows the mails complete bias.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:48:56

Eleven people in a 3-bed home hmm

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 24-Oct-13 14:49:07

If he wants to have 10 children and a bigger house he should he should get off his arse and support them. This is clearly not a case of a hard working family that have fallen on harder times due to redundancy or illness but a life style choice that someone elses taxes are expected to pay for.

Cantspel - nice attitude you have there. hmm

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 14:49:28

Why should he get a bigger house? Genuine question. If he was working and looking after his family financially himself, he wouldn't get a bigger house

He is a council tenant so he would be entitled to request it.

You do know that it isn't only the unemployed who live in council houses don't you?

Lots of social housing[council and housing association] tenants DO work.

kawliga Thu 24-Oct-13 14:49:53

The children are beautiful. Sorry the parents can't keep a clean house but I don't think the children look unhappy at all. You mean because they're not all grinning widely for the Daily Fail photographer? I'm sure they love their parents and are happy. Shame about the filthy house, but there are many children round the world living in squalid conditions. It's not right, everyone should have a clean home, but I wouldn't say the children must be unhappy.

I feel sorry for people who are manipulated by the Daily Fail into allegedly saying all these daft things which will then be published to nicely wind up Daily Fail readers. I bet it went something like this:

Daily Fail: it looks like your garden could do with some sprucing up
Poor Fellow: yes, as soon as I have some spare money I'll reseed the lawn
DF: oh, but that will cost money
PF: yes
DF: maybe if you had an increase in your weekly benefits
PF: yes
DF: because it's not like you could go robbing
PF: no
DF: although I can understand some people might decide to go robbing
PF: yes

News Flash in the Daily Fail: Man demands more state benefits and says if he doesn't get it he will go robbing! hmm

BlueSkySunnyDay Thu 24-Oct-13 14:50:08

I always think there is a bit of "artistic licence" taken in these articles.

But if this situation is real I always think the people in articles must have some kind of mental issues to not understand how publicity like this will affect their children. I cant believe any parent would knowingly expose their children to the kind of reaction this will provoke.

With regard to living with mold (sigh) she should stop making babies and start using some of this

I live in a nice house in a nice area I have to use it in our unheated bathroom and around the windows....I guess if I didnt my children would be living with mold too hmm

I know its getting into dodgy state controlling your life territory but I really do think there should be a 3 children rule....if people choose to have more than this then they should also be responsible for supporting them.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:52:08

Oh god a 3 child rule? What would happen when people have more than 3 children and can't support them? They starve/get taken into care?

ZombieMonkeyButler Thu 24-Oct-13 14:52:45

I suppose what angelos means is that if you own your own property/pay a mortgage and decide to have nine (soon to be 10) children then no-one gifts you the extra income to buy a much bigger house.

MinesAPintOfTea Thu 24-Oct-13 14:53:36

DesperatelySeekingSedatives in our previous (rented) house the bathroom had poor heating and ventilation and despite regular bleaching we had a mould problem around the windows. And that was with only two people using the house (so at most 2 showers a day, often 1 as DH showered at work) and metered power which we could afford to keep on all the time.

With 11 people in the house the ventilation and heating would have to be very good to keep mould at bay.

I do wonder what the DM did to the photos as well. I mean they clearly didn't neaten them up with photoshop.

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 24-Oct-13 14:54:08

3 child rule.

HOUSE! Anyone else playing 'benefits bashing bingo'?

cantspel Thu 24-Oct-13 14:54:24

I cant see how anyone would think those kids look happy and well cared for. If you look at the photo of the boys in their bedroom there is not one toy in sight, none in the longe and just a couple of teddies sitting on a window sill in another. Plus a clapped out push along in the garden.

How do you have 9 children and no toys?

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 14:54:49

This isn't a 'bit of mold' (which we keep getting around our windows and I bleach it until it's dead like a fucking dead thing all.the.damn.time) it's everywhere. And maybe they don't know how to get rid of it? If it was a private let the landlord would be telling them what to do and what not to do and if it was persistent they would be treating it. I imagine keeping a house dry and free of mould and damp is pretty hard when there are 11 of you living there and you perhaps struggle to afford to have the heating on as much as you would like.

NotYoMomma Thu 24-Oct-13 14:55:46

she was adopted so she wanted a big family as she had no brothers and sisters?

I was adopted but I have some common sense

not all adopted people are 'damaged' as someone said up thread confused hmm hmm

I think they will have similar issues in another house as they clearly do not know how to look after a house.

maybe they do need some support - remember that show about social services a while ago and they helped get cleaning stuff for a young Mum and how to use it etc because she was struggling. the turn arpund was amazing

I'm still confused as to why they have a snake though.

PatoBanton Thu 24-Oct-13 14:56:02

No, those people are not the reason.

The Daily Mail is a massive part of the reason.

Look how they have presented this and twisted it, so badly that you have fallen for their usual trick - yes, the family is huge, yes they are in trouble, yes they have had more children than they can cope with.

But the man is ill
Their house is shocking

No one should be expected to live in a place like that

They are severely overcrowded

They need somewhere better. The bloke is not even claiming anything because of his illness, because he was refused DLA - which as some of you will be aware, is bloody difficult to get, so that isn't a surprise.

But the DM have paraded them as entirely to blame for their situation.

I am not saying that they had nothing to do with it but just look at how it has been covered. It's all about how big their telly is, FFS.

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 14:57:06

The captions on the photos are ridiculous!

Expensive: There is a new Hotpoint washing machine which fits two loads in at once, and there is a tumble-dryer alongside

Family of 11 has washing machine and tumble dryer, wow what a shocker!

boschy Thu 24-Oct-13 14:57:17

god just realised we have mould too. just cba to really get in there and clean it up properly!

sashh Thu 24-Oct-13 14:57:29

just because you are on benefits why can't you keep the house you have in good order and clean?

You have obviously never attempted to keep a wall free of damp. Did you notice where the paintwork is missing? That's what happens when you wipe damp off the walls, the paint and then the plaster comes off.

That washing machine - I have the washer dryer version, it does take a larger load but not double a normal washer, but that is one of the reasons I got it.

If he does 'go robbing' I hope he comes back with a better name for Karleigh.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 14:57:53


You are not supposed to wipe or touch mould, the problem with mould is spores little tiny spores and its those spores, if breathed in can make you ill.

If you are a novice and rub them, they become air borne and more of a danger, you obviously cannot see them.

We had mould and had experts in to deal with the reason mould was there, and we were told categorically not to wipe it or move it. What they would do would be to spray it with special spray and wait for that to work but they would not even use that due to my DC having awful chests/coughs at the time. They declared our house a health hazzard.

elskovs Thu 24-Oct-13 14:58:12

Christ those poor people. They look like starving refugees... I cant believe people live like that in this country.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 14:58:41

They just look like children, they aren't grinning for the cameras, that's all! The house looks quite tidy as in not cluttered, things are obviously put away in this house. We haven't seen the whole house and we haven't seen everything they own. In the living room Peppa Pig is on tv and there's a doll on the sofa. In the picture with the 2 teddy bears we only see the back end of the room... there are kids certificates in the kitchen, at least 3 outdoor toys visible in the garden...

Pootles2010 Thu 24-Oct-13 14:58:52

Did anyone read that thing Giles Coren's wife did for daily fail a while back about hoping her unborn baby wasn't a boy? There was a great uproar at the time.

I read a piece on her blog other day, she said she knew it was a boy at the time, delighted about that fact, but daily faily offered her a heap of money to write a goady article and it paid for her mat leave.

Honestly its all made up shite.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 14:59:42

You can also see water in the bunk bed pic, on the ceiling.

Maybe they do not know how to deal with the damp or find the source of it but that house needs urgent attention re the mould.

ZombieMonkeyButler Thu 24-Oct-13 15:00:39

Or at least the correct spelling sashh.

For what it's worth, I actually think that could be a very nice house - but surely damp & mould is the LL's responsibility to sort out?

The DM missed a trick though, the normally show childrens' beds without sheets & sporting filthy mattresses. The photoshop department will be getting a slap on the wrist for that one, no doubt.

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 15:00:48

As for the lawn,

Garden: Mr Miller may need more state hand-outs to improve his garden, which currently has an over-grown lawn and an abandoned fridge

It is october and its been raining a fair amount lately. I expect lots of lawns look like that up and down the country at this time of year.

The fridge is NOT abandoned! they have a new fridge and that is their old one! I expect he will be paying the local authority to remove it some tie soon.

Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 15:01:46

Pootles, that makes total sense, I've always wondered if that's the case... to be honest there are so many crazy things I'd agree to saying if the price was right blush

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 24-Oct-13 15:02:17

Me and my dc have recently moved into a privately-rented house. I've never done this before. Growing up we lived in housing association properties, then me and ex bought our house, so this is all new to me.

It's through an agency (had to stump up £1700 to move in!) and the landlord lives TWO COUNTIES away.

Since moving in I've discovered:

1) previous tenants had PISSED on the carpet in my bedroom (this has been replaced, but only because the agency have a carpet place they deal with).

2) the back door isn't fitted properly - there are plants growing under the frame and into my utility room.

3) the double glazing seals have gone, condensation on the windows, so am now anticipating mould.

4) the kitchen cupboards are full of damp - this was not evident when we moved in, but they fucking stink so I won't keep food in them. Christ knows how bad it's going to get.

5) we can't use the shower over the bath because when you turn it on, water sprays everywhere from the tap fitting.

I'm depressed as it is - the thought that I've moved my three dc into a house that's in this state (and that the far-removed landlord must have known about these things) and that I'm paying £175 MORE each month for this than my mortgaged home really pisses me off.

And I'm not allowed to remove so much as a screw from the wall (and there are loads sticking out that we catch our clothes on, all at DS2s eye height!) without permission from my landlord .

What I'm saying is, the people in this 'new article' are living in a shithole over which they have very little, if any, control.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 15:03:31

There are certificates and pictures from the kid's school all over the kitchen cupboards and the kitchen is clean in the pictures, so I doubt it's a case of them just not being bothered to clean anything.

MinesAPintOfTea Thu 24-Oct-13 15:05:43

I wondered if toys had been shoved out of the way. There are a couple right in the edges of photos if you look for them. I don't assume they have a lot, but there are a few more than are obviously in the photos.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 15:06:46

Heart Broken

Its a disgrace I saw program covering a broad range of negligence from LL and only something like 3% every get prosecuted.

I think law s on anti social behaviour, landlords who are rouges all need tightening up and acted on.

There must be something you can do to make your LL sort the house out?

MinesAPintOfTea Thu 24-Oct-13 15:08:15

Oh yes, I noticed the certificates. And that despite the crowding all the beds are neatly made (at which I bet the photographer was cursing). The things that its easy for them to affect have obviously been done which is after all how overwhelmed people are often advised to tackle cleaning.

kawliga Thu 24-Oct-13 15:09:41

I cant see how anyone would think those kids look happy and well cared for. If you look at the photo of the boys in their bedroom there is not one toy in sight, none in the longe and just a couple of teddies sitting on a window sill in another. Plus a clapped out push along in the garden. How do you have 9 children and no toys?

I grew up poor but happy. Most of my neighbours and extended family were also poor but happy. We did not have many toys between the lot of us, never mind just in my family. We played together without toys. How can you judge children's happiness based on how many toys they have??

HappyMummyOfOne Thu 24-Oct-13 15:14:43

Awful, £32k for doing nothing (bar obviously lots of sex) and living in that state. No excuse to not clean or fix up the house when not working. If they claim to need a bigger place then they can do what most responsible people do, earn or stop having children with no means of supporting them. Being adopted doesnt make you go out and reproduce so many times!

OP, i dont think its just families like these that give benefits a bad name. This is just one family taking from the system but there are millions doing so out of choice. Be it by claiming they cant work as they have children, not working as they net more in benefits so why should they or not stopping at the number of children they can actually afford etc. Cases like these just emphasise the need to cap benefits to two children, i doubt they would have had that many if they got no benefits for them.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 15:19:22

But the children already exist. There's no point saying 'don't have so many children' when they are already here.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 15:22:22

The children look fine, not uncared for or dirty in these pictures. The house doesn't look that bad either - apart from the mould. It's not ideal but some people are seeing different things here.

IHaveA Thu 24-Oct-13 15:27:00

Oh dear sad Its hard to know what to say. confused This must cross off all the numbers on The Daily Mail Benefit Bingo.

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 15:27:49

I used to live with mould. I used to scrub it off and pain over it with special mold paint. Had no idea you werent supposed to touch it. Like the stuff in those photos. Although we got the furry stuff too, that didnt grow on the walls. Just my clothes. It is hard to get rid of.

Does the article explain how they pay for the sky HD ? Thats probably the biggest weekly/monthly expense.

Not nice that the kids have drawn all over the walls either.

But I dont think the garden looks a mess at all. Not with the number of people that are using it !

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 15:28:35

Mould is a problem, the house is un livible.

In America they wear nuclear style suits to get rid of mould.

People comment on mould who are not experts. Any experts will tell you its a big problem and that family should not be living in it.

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 15:29:51

I honestly had no idea about that.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 15:31:49

I also grew up in smaller houses than that and had three to a bedroom, the family next door had 7 kids a to a room. Was normal. Not much room or often money for toys. Doesn't mean the kids are unhappy. Again not ideal and the general standard of living has changed now of course so these folk will be at the ottom of the scale.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 15:32:00

No I would not have either ( had any idea how bad mould is), I too lived with mould for a few months until this specialist company was called in and basically we were told they declared our house a health hazard and we should get out whilst its sorted out properly.

They laughed when I said about wiping the mould off, and told me its a big NO NO, as it makes the spores air borne which is the last thing you want.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Thu 24-Oct-13 15:32:01

I dont know they all just look so unhappy poor things but then again if they're ill from all the mould and being crammed in like sardines that would explain why.

I've had to deal with mould in some of the other rental houses I've lived in. It's grim but honestly if I'd waited for my LL to deal with it I'd have been there forever hmm

They need somewhere bigger and clearly have done for a long time but there doesnt seem to be anything available for them. But out of the 9 kids they've got the youngest ones are 4,3,1 (nearly 2?) and 10months and another one on the way. 2 adults and the 5 older kids were already overcrowded before the younger ones came along and yet the parents kept on having them despite being in that situation.

IHaveA Thu 24-Oct-13 15:32:22

Basic Sky+HD is £21.50 a month.

jellybeans Thu 24-Oct-13 15:33:13

I am not sure being as it is in the DM. They probably set them up for it and asked leading questions such as, 'if your kids were starving and you didn't get benefits and didn't have a job, what would you do?'

I can see why people are annoyed though if people are receiving more than minimum wage. I have 5 DC and a 3 bed house. We all manage fine and choose to stay here as it is a good area rather than have bigger in a not so nice area. However I would struggle to give more than 5 the quality time etc needed and give them some of their own space and of course financially it is very expensive to have a large family.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives Thu 24-Oct-13 15:34:04

I did roll my eyes at the DM's obvious disgust at them having both a washing machine AND a dryer. What a fucking liberty eh? they should have been making do with a mangle and a tin bath surely.

IHaveA Thu 24-Oct-13 15:34:28

You can get a used 50 inch LG on eBay for £250

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 15:34:43

I honestly dont understand why they would have more though. I mean I know accidents happen but surely not that many ? Especially when the house is such a state. Although I obviously think that needs sorting - it is not good enough -personally I just couldnt bring any more into a crappy situation.

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 15:37:23

Not as much as I expected i have a. I wouldnt know since I dont have a tv. Cant afford the licence fee.

(Incidentally I am now on benefits but until recently did work)

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 15:38:30

£22 a month isn't much when it's probably the only entertainment for a whole family each month.

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 15:39:25

No it isnt really.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 15:42:23

the woman is quite young still.
they could have many more.

I wonder if his plan is to get famous from having many children like the other families who are?

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 15:42:29

Why they have such a big family? Probably due to their upbringing and lack of ambition. Maybe they know they will never have much but can surround themselves with family. It's so depressing - husband and I were talking about this the other night. How do you turn this round, how can you change these attitudes and lack of thinking that there is another way, a better life? Whole communities living like this, how do you change it or would it take too much money or actions which would be considered unethical.

Thing is with our set up for the rich and our society to keep existing as they do, there has to be those at the bottom end to make it possible. We need a lot of people to be poor.

VeryStressedMum Thu 24-Oct-13 15:44:17

The article had the headline if he wasn't on benefits he'd go out robbing people, but then he says he's trying to start his own business, he'd love to work and get off which is it?

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 15:47:07

bling I think we need more state boarding schools so the children have a route out.

quoteunquote Thu 24-Oct-13 15:48:47
quoteunquote Thu 24-Oct-13 15:49:59
MinesAPintOfBlood Thu 24-Oct-13 15:54:13

VeryStressed I'd guess its the later. But that wouldn't make such a good DM headline.

Bingdweller Thu 24-Oct-13 15:56:57

What a filthy shithole. Clearly the time he has on his hands by not working is not spent with a scrubbing brush and bleach. Smartprice bleach costs pennies. There is no excuse in this day and age for living in such squalor.

Unless of course they are letting the house go to rack and ruin thus enforcing a move to a better property which will probably end up in the same state.

Nottalotta Thu 24-Oct-13 15:58:05

The mould is down to lifestyle - they are not ventilating properly, there are too many people for the space so all the breathing,.clothes drying (esp if on radiators or clothes horse) and cooking (boiling stuff) and baths and showers are causing condensation which they are not dealing with appropriately, or at all by the looks of it.

Whether they are paying 20 or 80 pounds per month for sky, it grates a bit on those that can't afford it, or playstations, 3 tellys, a tumble dryer.....and go to work.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 15:59:57


really, what evidence have you of this, i cab see water marks

sugar4eva Thu 24-Oct-13 16:00:54

have sympathy for the dcs.
W e have damp like this in our houseon a cold wall- we wipe it as much as possible as i have asthma.
Find it hard to imagine having another child when you know that you have these conditions and are struggling already.
We decided not to have third due to in part financial reasons- a personal choice- and in a way money should not determine if you have a child - but they do have quite a few-!!!!.We decided on partly money reasons as we knew it would casuse us stress and worry which may impact on the two we had as well as ourselves.

jellybeans Thu 24-Oct-13 16:01:59

I would have mould if i didn't open the windows all the time and use extractor fans to be honest. I also have to bleach at the first sign of the black stuff and around window frames. i thought everybody did this?

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:04:05

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eurochick Thu 24-Oct-13 16:14:22

We had mould in my student house (4 of us using one tiny bathroom). I scrubbed it off with bleach. My parents have a severe mould problem in their (privately owned) house. They've had specialists to look at it, and it's to do with the construction method. Guess what? They work had to keep it under control. Even the bathroom in our newbuild gets patches of mould if we don't ventilate it well. Guess what we do? Yep, wipe it off.

None of us have dropped down dead yet.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 16:17:26

Look at those pictures. Every single window in that house is open. It's not like they aren't trying. Also; they're getting bitched out because they are letting mold grown, and they are getting bitched at because they have a dryer. Well, if there's no dryer (or a shit one) then the damp would be worse. So which one is it?

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:21:05

Absolutely Jellybeans!

My previous house was one we bought as first time buyers.
we both worked fulltime and we had 2 children in that 2 bedroom house.

It was a nightmare for mould. Part of my general house work was bleaching round the windows and drying walls.

I feel so sorry for these kids being brought up in that frankly dirty house!
The parents need a massive dose of "suck it up" and a lesson on how to clean.
How can she consider having more children?

I don't thin k they should be rehoused until they can prove they have the ability to look after the home they have. Lets try educating them instead of throwing money at them.

I might add we stayed in our 2 bed house until we could afford to move to a larger home and we worked and earned every penny towardsit. If e was working and paying for his house he couldn't just demand a bigger house so he might just discover contraception!

What sort of example are they setting to their kids, and God love the older ones who are going to suffer the negative fall out from this article.

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:22:25

I suggest the windows are open because the camera crew cant stand the smell!

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 16:26:06

Yes education on actually looking after you home might be an idea. Just some cleaning tip or something. That cot/playpen thing looks filthy.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 16:28:04

captainbarnacle are you suggesting their house smells?

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 16:29:18

I think he was suggesting the damp and mould smells yes. And it does. My house certainly did and our landlord tried very hard to get rid of it, as did we.

AnyCoffeeFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 16:29:32

or she.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:30:30

How do you know the house smells?

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:33:01

So you think the family should live with the smell of damp and mould?
I live in a council house and if I had that level of damp and mould,then I would be kicking up. And I'm waiting to rehoused to a bigger house im a walking DM article

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:34:30

Because I have experience of mould which wasn't nearly as bad as that and it stank to high heaven!

I suspect they have become immune to the smell living with it so long.

It needs cleaned like no doubt! Don't be bullshitting about leaving it for ppl in space suits sure that's just ridiculous.

Clean it! Elbow grease if free!

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:35:08

Freakin do u clean the mould?

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:35:55

No I'm not suggesting they live with it. I'm suggesting they CLEAN it.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 16:37:23

Yes, state boarding schools would be a start.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:37:54

I don't have mould and nope I wouldn't go cleaning mould spores into the air. I grew up with mould and was in and out of hospital with breathing issues.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 16:39:01

The whole place needs gutting and repainting and properly treating. People on here are saying that they have actually experienced this and it has had to be professionally cleaned because it's dangerous. But whatever, she (who is pregnant by the way) should just pop on some marigolds and get at it with some cif and sponge?

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 16:39:08

Is it just me that thinks it doesn't look that dirty?

The kitchen seems spotless, yes it could do with decorating, but I expect the tendency for mould hampers that and I don't like the drawing on the walls. But dirty? not especially. Boys room could do with a hoover though.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 16:39:41

mould is created by poor ventilation.
we had this problem

we cleaned it up using products you can easily buy and stopped it reoccurring by ventilating.

they also need to not rip the wall paper or draw on the walls.

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 16:40:10

As they are requesting a move due to damp I can see why they hae left the mould in situ.

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:40:14

Ok good idea. Better to have the slow constant release of the mould into the atmosphere as it grows untouched in your home. shock

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 16:41:11
FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:43:23

The wallpaper looks like its dropping from the wall cause the walls are damp which would probably mean the whole house needs to be dry lined and given a damp treatment.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:45:55

Well the first sign of mould or damp and the council would be getting a call from me.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 16:49:56

Yes Rex and then the council would do precisely fuck all.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 16:49:57

No, I don't see anything that dirty, just poor.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 16:50:56

I think you are confusing moisture entering the fabric of the building from outside (which the council should sort) with moisture collecting on the interior surfaces due to poor ventilation (which the householder has caused).

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 16:51:46

Well don't worry I have my DM sad face at the ready.

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:51:58

Hop a long. Does being pregnant mean u can't clean??!!! Come on! And even if it did. He's not pregnant! I don't think fuckwittery hampers the ability to clean!

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 16:53:53

So now he's a fuckwit?

Would you want to be scrubbing mold off the ceiling and walls and window frames when you were pregnant? But then I get she's just a feckless swine who should have kept her legs closed, right?

SourSweets Thu 24-Oct-13 16:56:17

Not the point I know, but they have a 1 year old and a 10 month old? How is that even possible with the 9 months it takes to cook one up? Am I being thick?

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 16:58:51

Have no e of you heard of the benefit cap?

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:58:51

Hop along. Take that big chip off ur shoulder and read the posts.
I cleaned when I was pregnant. In fact I worked full time Ina physical job and cleaned my house and looked after my family when I was pregnant. When I couldn't do it my Partner did. We wouldn't let our house get to that state in the first place with or with out kids. The reason they have and others like them (yes I said like them!) do is because pple make excuses for them and they justify it!
It can't be justified. These children are at risk here. That couple need to bloody well clean! End of story. Yes there are other issues but the one thing they can do is clean.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 16:58:57

the 1 yo could be 1yr 11 months. so born 13 months before.

friday16 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:59:18

Not the point I know, but they have a 1 year old and a 10 month old?

Because outside obsessive "my son is 1.9" mothers, "1 year old" covers the range from 12 months to 24 months. So there could perfectly easily be 14 months between them.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 17:00:03

Well as I pointed out the wallpaper is coming away from the wall so it looks like penetrating damp to me.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 17:03:27

Yea she should be up fixing the roof and gutters whilst pregnant hmm to prevent the house getting damp.

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 17:06:42

Wise up! Seriously just wise up! No one absolutely no one is saying she needs to fix gutters. But she can clean. So can he. Don't be picking and choosing which parts of posts u comment on. And stop twisting words it's so pathetic.

CoffeeTea103 Thu 24-Oct-13 17:08:25

Being oregano doesn't mean you have to keep your house filthy. And if too many kids is holding you back from working, or giving your children the best you can, then stop having kids. Seriously what makes them think they can have all those children and expect everyone else to pay their way in life.

CoffeeTea103 Thu 24-Oct-13 17:08:49

* pregnant not oregano

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 17:08:57

And if I just so happened to cover that county I might just so happen to know that that particular area has a huge problem with the type of mould that is caused by things that are the landlords responsibility, I also might know that its been an ongoing issue for years.

I would also know that often when this sort of thing happens independent expects are often brought in to confirm this and action gets taken to try and force social landlords to rectify it but it still gets ignored.

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 17:09:41

I don't have a chip? I just think people should actually look at a situation and see that things are not always what the tabloids would have us believe. There is a whole comments section on the Daily Mail if you would feel more comfortable with a load of people who think the same as you.

BlingBang Thu 24-Oct-13 17:12:44

Their house and children don't look filthy.

JoannaBaxterLovesBumsex Thu 24-Oct-13 17:14:07

Hopalong. it is pretty obvious to me the man has 9 kids he cannot afford, yet is perfectly happy to continue having more that he cannot afford. Clearly whatever else may be wrong with the article, you cannot deny the basic fact. Looks like a pretty fit man to spend the last 13 years humping away!

HopALongOn Thu 24-Oct-13 17:15:28

Do you know how much tax money goes towards benefits as opposed to all the other stupid shit this government pays for? And against how much money is lost through tax avoidance and big companies using every loop hole they can? This is a drop in the ocean. What we need is more money for preventative services and education and places this family can access support. Not job seekers sanctions and daily mail dick heads ripping people apart and blaming all the ills of society on a few families who have probably made poor choice, but who need help. But whatever, lets burn them all at the stake. Or just tell them all to pull themselves up by their knickers or whatever platitude you want to throw out next. It's exhausting and pointless. These stories are a tiny tiny fraction of a percent of benefits claimants. The daily mail is a hate filled pile of fucking goat wank and I wouldn't use it to line a litter box because I actually like my cat. So sick of all this. These daily mail threads should come with a health warning and reminder that you don't read that pile of shit for a reason.

SourSweets Thu 24-Oct-13 17:16:31

Ah yes, I was being thick.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 17:20:59

Yea she should be up fixing the roof and gutters whilst pregnant hmm to prevent the house getting damp

the house looks well maintained on the outside. the damp needs cleaning and the walls painting over the pen marks.

but if you are arguing for a larger house, you don't clean the damp do you?

poor children.

JoannaBaxterLovesBumsex Thu 24-Oct-13 17:21:31

hopalong - you could always press the hide button if it upsets you that much.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 24-Oct-13 17:23:50

You do know mould spores,especially black mould spores can be very dangerous don't you?

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 17:24:25

eURO ARE you seriously telling me that your parents are right now living in a house with that much mould? And you too?

Are you also seriously implying that because you do not think you have been affected by your mould yet that no one else can be?

After living in - naively and stupidly a mouldy house for two months my DC cough worsened and developed into a lung infection in one lung, concurrent with mould infections.

So, lucky you if you live in that level of mould and are ok, but you also know what, one of the problems with mould is that, you do not know how it affected you. You may think you are ok now, but a few years down the line....

kawliga Thu 24-Oct-13 17:27:28

The children look perfectly fine to me. They're beautiful kids and I hope they will grow up as close friends. That's the advantage of a big family.

Poor family from the Daily Fail if you ever come onto mumsnet to see what people are saying about you: some of us think you have a lovely family and you were just very unlucky to be targeted by the DF reporters. But we think you should buy a mold & mildew spray, have a go with that it might work grin although not all our houses are pristine either we just know better than to let a reporter in to take photos.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 17:28:09

It could be a mixture of penetrating damp and moisture building up from within, but who cares, there are solutions for both problems.

I suppose he could get some protective gear on and start to scrub and tackle it, but the children and the pregnant mother cant be in the house, I imagine it would take a few days to get rid of the stuff, clean everything in the house for spores etc...where would they live?

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Thu 24-Oct-13 17:28:29

the house looks well maintained on the outside.

they need to clean up the mould - following instructions on over the counter products and ventilate properly.

of course that would not help their case to move...........

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 17:29:03

you were just very unlucky to be targeted by the DF reporters

Really!!! They must have a bit pay check from this story.

Custardo Thu 24-Oct-13 17:33:03

i will not contribute to the advertisers by clicking on the lick of that vile newspaper who blames the deaths of innocent children on the fact that they had 'benefit scum' parents.

i am presuming therefore that this family earn over 30k in benefits and have 32 children - and he is some villain

my quarrel would be with the daily mail quite frankly who drag out the 'i have 16 kids and earn more than you and i am a criminal' type stories

i suggest some people google tax evasion and the daily mail

JerseySpud Thu 24-Oct-13 17:33:18

Christ if they think his lawn is bad they want to see mine. Most likely by the end of the winter i'll lose DD2 in it again.

IamInvisisble Thu 24-Oct-13 17:35:32

We'd have mould like that in our bathroom if we didn't keep on top of it, but DH uses that HG mould remover linked to earlier. We ventilate the house all the time, have the extractor on in the bathroom almost permanently, close the kitchen door, use the extractor, cover the pans and open windows when cooking.

I'm sorry but that house is a shit tip. Yes, the kitchen looks clean but the walls are filthy in every other room. Look around that standard lamp in the living room, it's minging. They are at home all day, so there is absolutely no excuse for it in my book.

Before you say he is ill, so I am. I can not walk unaided and am in immense pain but my house is not like that.

I don't understand why, when you live in such cramped conditions and you know the situation, why you would carry on having children.

Once they get their new house I should imagine that will be a complete tip in a couple of years too.

IamInvisisble Thu 24-Oct-13 17:38:45

We do absolutely everything we can to keep on top of the mould because DS2 is a severe asthmatic.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 17:46:48

There is mould and there is mould, we currently have a tiny patch in our bathroom, and we have had a few small patches that dDH has dealt with. Nothing on the scale as we had before as the source of that mould was dealt with professionally and it was all cleaned, re plastered etc.

That house has a serious mould problem.

IamInvisisble Thu 24-Oct-13 17:55:06

That house has a serious condensation and ventilation problem.

Captainbarnacles1101 Thu 24-Oct-13 17:57:57

WELL SAID Iaminvisisble!
the house is stinking. If they don't work for whatever reason...I don't judge but come on sort out the dirt.

kawliga Thu 24-Oct-13 17:59:29

Yes Gobbolino they were paid. All these people are paid by the Daily Fail to humiliate themselves. I still feel sorry for them. They are merely pawns in a larger debate about the welfare state. They are just fodder to be served up to the readers to wind them up in their anti-welfare rants, complete with photos of their mouldy house. The words they say are usually fed to them at least indirectly before they are gleefully quoted.

I guess, like a poster upthread said, some people will say anything for a fee. "Yes I will go to London and rob rich houses if you don't give me more benefits!" There, was that ok, did I sound feckless enough, can I have my fee? Shrug.

Hope whatever money they get is worth it and hope they never look at the papers to see the story that was written about them.

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 18:17:20

the house is stinking

Do you have smellovision on your computer?

PresidentServalan Thu 24-Oct-13 18:37:34

Whatever they were 'coerced' into saying to the paper, the fact still remains that they have irresponsible people who have kids even though they know they can't support them. I feel a bit sorry for the children but the parents obviously don't give a shit, subjecting them to those kind of conditions and having more and more.

Nancy66 Thu 24-Oct-13 18:42:31

They won't have been paid. The story comes from the Bournemouth Echo.

AmberLeaf Thu 24-Oct-13 18:45:57

Typical daily mail rehash on a local rag story then.

MsWilliamTheBloody Thu 24-Oct-13 18:46:57

He claims he only has £60 left at the end of the week after food, gas, fuel and electricity.

Lucky him. I'm usually in minus figures..!


Opalite Thu 24-Oct-13 19:14:30

confused I don't see a dirty house at all...

SleepingWithABrokenHeart Thu 24-Oct-13 19:27:58

Is paint really that expensive to buy hmm

IneedAsockamnesty Thu 24-Oct-13 19:52:40

It is when it won't stick on the walls as it should because of the damp

Pixel Thu 24-Oct-13 20:05:01

Can anyone see what that square thing is dangling precariously over the travel cot? It looks a bit like a set of bathroom scales but it can't be can it? Looks very dangerous there whatever it is.

Bingdweller Thu 24-Oct-13 20:12:39

I disagree with the posters that say the house is not filthy. The kitchen looks clean - every other photo without exception shows ingrained filth. The travel cot is disgusting, the little girl is wearing dirty pale leggings, the chest of drawers in the room are filthy also. Look at the walls in each of the bedrooms - pen/crayon marks aside, they are absolutely grotty.

I think this is a typical benefit bashing thread so will not comment on that aspect, however I stand by my original post earlier about the place being filthy. I have lived in a flat with a damp problem before and I know that as soon as it was treated and we got on top of it with ventilation and cleaning, it did not recur. No children should have to live in such unhygienic conditions.

Typical DM crap about luxury appliances, pets and benefits though.

3asAbird Thu 24-Oct-13 20:20:45

Could it be they foolishy gone to papers to get their housing association to act? As the mould really bad regardless of their lifestyle choice.

I live in 1980s new build where the windows are shit, privatly rented 30 year old bathroom/kitchen falling apart gets me down at times but no lots people cope with much worse.

The problem is they don't really do houses this size.

Every new development has to build so many affordable homes and they always 1, 2 or 3 beds.

when seen in paper before they knocked 2 houses together.

Lady i met locally lived in adapted building as think she had 10 kids.

new builds are tiny so that many people would be clustaphobic.

I thought the kids looked clean and tidy.
would be embaresing for them at school.

Sky tv only luxury as rarly go out.

I suspect all their gadgets are on credit so nothing be envoius of there they be paying bright house forever.

Plus such small age gaps must be bloody hard work.

I dont think large famillies are that common these days.

locally 4-5max and usually that,s one set multiples at rc school.
One local woman have 4boys and had 2year old so 5boys in 2bed house.

I do think this family perhaps need some support not condemnation as seen far worse was very badly written article honestly did not know if they wanted us feel sorry for them or hate them.

did anyone watch the c4 show 1949 benefits system where they sent someone in to help the family clean up their home.

KirjavaTheCorpse Thu 24-Oct-13 20:27:32

The house and the children (in particular the little girl wearing the dirty pajamas, barefoot, covered in felt tip with dirty hair) don't look particularly clean. The grimy cot, smeared TV and dirty chest of drawers? Is that a normal, healthy standard of cleanliness?

It's blatant benefit bashing, typical Daily Mail shit, I'm neither surprised nor convinced by any of it. But from the pictures alone it doesn't seem to me they're keeping on top of things, as a family. What a shame they let them take those pictures and let them into their home. I hope the kids don't get too much stick for it all.

NoFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 20:34:17

I popped on here to see if there was a thread about this. Those poor kids. I'm embarrassed to live in a country as I do where children are still living in such conditions. It's not part of a civilised nation. Maybe the money isn't the solution and throwing money isn't the best way, but education, support....something MUST be done for those children. If only to break a sad cycle.

3asAbird Thu 24-Oct-13 20:42:09

I relooked at the pics.

kids can get grubby fast my 2year old gets through 2-3outfits a day.

I was unclear where they all slept surly not 2 in a travel cot 13year old in bed. Again boys room do the boys share single beds?

The kitchen looks really good condition and if 1980s reckons its been put in recently hence why they got new appliances and fridge in garden.

Kitchen dident look dirty or damp at all.

could in short term if they cant move ha just go in sort damp out and redorate?

dont think parents who dont give a shit would have certificates on wall.

Gut feel is dm staged it look worse or more dirty than usually is?

I mean wtf was the python in the story for?

Atcle implied they working with social serices and dident mention mention if kids had any health conditions due to damp.

With exception of 3year old they all looked clean

it seems such a depressing place to live i expect tv and game conoles is all they got gong on in their lives.

garden fairly typical this time of year not stopped raining.

Trigglesx Thu 24-Oct-13 20:46:15

When we lived in Devon in a council property, there was much much worse mould on the walls. Literally one wall (the one to the outside behind the toilet) was black. I couldn't clean it - it was crusted. It took us over TWO YEARS to get the council to fix it. They had to literally rip it out and redo the entire bathroom. They only did this after I took pictures of it all, copied articles about how mould is dangerous for children and those with respiratory problems (my DCs all have asthma, as does DH), a list of dates that people in the household had respiratory problems (practically all the time), and a very blunt letter stating that this was neglect on the part of the landlord as we had done everything in our power to rectify the problem. Within a month, they arranged for us to stay at a nearby holiday cottage while they tore out the bathroom.

I will point out, however, that it took hold for a few reasons - the extractor fan stopped working and they took ages to fix it. And we found out that some plumbing in the wall had been done improperly and had been slowly leaking into the wall for literally ages. We couldn't figure out how come it was always damp - they told us it was our fault. But opening the teeny window did nothing to help get the damp out.

The council where we currently live (we did a swap into a larger property with an elderly couple that wanted a smaller one) is brilliant about repairs.

NoFucker Thu 24-Oct-13 20:46:55

Actually looking again I'll say the house is in a tidy state. I regularly see houses with clothes and laundry piled up, where on earth have they stored everything for 11 people?! The kitchen is clean, lots of certificates for behaviour to note.

Yes the damp and paint is poor, but 9 kids in that overcrowded house will cause damage. My 4 cause bits of damage in their pampered spacious little world, for example the toddler drew on the walls.

IF they'd started the AIBU:

AIBU being unreasonable to think my landlord should redecorate and sort the damp problem for good, treatments are eating into the little money I have and I'm struggling as it is with 9 kids.

What would the answer be? I'm sure everyone would be shouting how outrageous it is. Surely the housing association inspect and know the house is in a state unfit for children yet have done nothing, that's not the kind of mould that builds in a few months or even a year.

I've rented a few times to young families, it goes with the territority they start off as poorly managing damp. I pop round, talk to them about ventilation and heating to ensure it doesn't get to that state. IF it got anywhere near I'd scrub it myself before environmental health were on me tbh as it's less hassle.

Saying they shouldn't have had them is pointless, they are here now. Lovely to read in a naitional paper lots of people wish you hadn't been born. I just had the odd spot to worry about at 13, national hatred would have been a bit tough....

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 20:51:06


Sorry to hear about your battle and the respirator problems your DC and DH faced.

Mould is a thing that is usually treated in a lassaiz faire way in the UK.

Once you sent the council the reading material on mould you were of course making them aware your children were sick and a high possibility due to mould. If they had kept you there with the papers you sent and one of your DC became severely ill or died, heads would have rolled.

Its easy for them to bat you away if you just keep saying, please fix mould.

Sending literature on the dangers and saying, please fix mould, are different things.
I am glad your current council is better at making repairs.
I can see water marks in some of those pictures.

Pixel Thu 24-Oct-13 20:55:51

Unfortunately the only way I can see to 'break the sad cycle' is to not give a bigger home to people who carried on and had five more children when they had no room for them. Some people are limited to one or two children due to being stuck in poky flats, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say that a couple who already had a decent-sized house and four children were being greedy by expecting more than that. As long as families like this are being rehoused in ever larger properties then they will encourage others to do the same, you will never break the cycle because then there is an obligation to the children who didn't ask to live like that.

GobbolinoCat England Thu 24-Oct-13 20:56:59

I'm embarrassed to live in a country as I do where children are still living in such conditions. It's not part of a civilised nation

I disagree.

Aside from the mould, the house could be OK.

The kitchen does look ok, and it does look tidy. The children look well dressed, the school girl looks smart and presentable. The children in the pics in the link look like they are living in true dire poverty.

KenAdams England Thu 24-Oct-13 21:28:00

Why did they continue to have kids when the house was already overcrowded though? I just don't get why, if you lived in a house that was a state and you already have 5 kids, you'd then have another 5?

NotYoMomma Thu 24-Oct-13 21:40:06

imo because they are selfish and the childrens health and living conditions are not their priority (sadly)

MidniteScribbler Thu 24-Oct-13 21:45:30

I think that aside from any other arguments, that these sort of articles should be banned when there are children involved. They're going to grow up, but someone will always be able to google.

HappyMummyOfOne Thu 24-Oct-13 21:45:42

"I'm embarrassed to live in a country as I do where children are still living in such conditions. It's not part of a civilised nation"

Why? The only people who are causing the chidren to live like that are their parents. They keep having children with little space and no jobs. Throwing money at people clearly doesnt work, £32k tax free and they live like that?

If we had no child related benefits them maybe personal responsibility would come into play for many more. Its one thing to need the safety net for a few months after redundancy but quite another purposely having children you cannot afford without tax payers help or having x number knowing if things go wrong in a relationship you cant support them. Outcomes for children on benefits are well below those not, why would anybody chose that for their children?

I want to know why, when we know the affect of growing up in unstable environments and having attachment issues, on women, counselling services for former Looked After and Adopted children are not heavily invested in and offered.

It is a common story that girls bought up within the care system have large families and babies at a young age, because if a unmet need in their own childhood.

SS and the HV want the family re-housed, because of the damp, so it isn't mold that will wash off.

The children are dressed and attend school, they don't seem wanting as parents and if there was a suggestion that they were, you can bet that the DM would of reported it.

I would also bet that there is stuff from the Dad's past that a large family and the insular relationship they have, fulfills.

We did once have larger Council houses but they were sold off, or demolished, we should have housing available for big families.

It's catch 22, really because if you are working then you buy a house and have the ability to up-size, but if you are not in stable work, then not providing decent Social Housing is a back door way of population control (just for the poor).

Do we want to go back to every working class family losing at least

I want to know why, when we know the affect of growing up in unstable environments and having attachment issues, on women, counselling services for former Looked After and Adopted children are not heavily invested in and offered.

It is a common story that girls bought up within the care system have large families and babies at a young age, because if a unmet need in their own childhood.

SS and the HV want the family re-housed, because of the damp, so it isn't mold that will wash off.

The children are dressed and attend school, they don't seem wanting as parents and if there was a suggestion that they were, you can bet that the DM would of reported it.

I would also bet that there is stuff from the Dad's past that a large family and the insular relationship they have, fulfills.

We did once have larger Council houses but they were sold off, or demolished, we should have housing available for big families.

It's catch 22, really because if you are working then you buy a house and have the ability to up-size, but if you are not in stable work, then not providing decent Social Housing is a back door way of population control (just for the poor).

Don't know what happened there.

Bingdweller Thu 24-Oct-13 21:54:58

freakinrex apologies, I never responded. I'm no more from the DM than I am from Mars. I fucking hate that expolitative rag.

This family clearly need more than cash or a new house flung at them. I am just heart sorry for these poor little kids who could do better than to be plastered over a national newspaper. Whilst (on the whole) they look clean and nourished, their living circumstances are far from clean or ideal. That is not all down to the damp living conditions and their parents must bear some responsibility for the state of the house.

Pixel Thu 24-Oct-13 22:20:55

I was just going to say that even if you ignore the mould the house looks bleak, no comforts at all. The boy's room looks like a cell, it doesn't even look as if they have pillows on the beds. The girls don't have a curtain, there are no pictures, no books, rugs, lamps, nothing at all to make it homely or personal. If someone can't even be bothered to shorten a curtain so it fits then they aren't going to put themselves out to wash mould off the ceiling.

TotallyBenHanscom Thu 24-Oct-13 22:21:52

Disgusting newspaper. I wonder what the journalist and photographer were saying to the family as they were walking round taking pictures, probably telling them they were writing an article about the appalling living conditions the council were subjecting them to, whilst all the while planning to turn them into national hate figures (for Daily Mail readers anyway).

Despicable, but typical of them.

Trigglesx Thu 24-Oct-13 22:51:12

Ridiculous pointing out the game console and such. WE have a Wii console and games and such. But we didn't buy it - actually got it on MN doing a product test (thanks MN!) awhile ago. We certainly couldn't afford to buy it ourselves. And the Nintendo 3ds? That was a win from a draw on MN. So a couple higher priced items that someone might think "hmmmmm" about - and we didn't spend money on it.

It says they have 3 tvs but only shows 1. The other two could be little cheapies they got at a secondhand place. And so what if they have a decent telly anyway? With that many kids, you don't seriously think they take them all to amusement parks or the cinema, do you? It'd cost a fortune! A television is relatively cheap entertainment. (and last I checked, the poor were allowed to have one).

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime Fri 25-Oct-13 08:24:28

The children are dressed and attend school, they don't seem wanting as parents and if there was a suggestion that they were, you can bet that the DM would of reported it.

birds - but they have a social worker so there is something not right about the family.

giving the parents a larger house will not make them better parents. they will be the same, just in a larger house.

he still wont be able to decide if he is too ill to work - or whether he is setting up his own business!!

i think we need to create a half way between taking children into care (which can obviously have its own problems) and leaving them with parents who are not responsible adults.

state boarding schools would enable the children to have a good learning environment and see a route out of their home life. hopefully breaking the cycle.

marriedinwhiteisback Fri 25-Oct-13 08:39:20

They need a bigger and better house because they have had more children than they can possibly afford. We couldn't have afforded nine or ten children so we would not have had them. I think the mould and damp need sorting. I don't see why they should be given a bigger property.

I'd have liked more children but I certainly didn't expect the state to fund them.

If the father wants a better home for his family I suggest he starts investing in condoms and starts working and earning.

jammiedonut Fri 25-Oct-13 08:52:27

The house was probably mired by mould before they arrived. It's very hard to get a handle on it when it's taken hold for so long, it's not simply a case of cleaning it. I've lived in some shitty ha/ council places in my lifetime. I was loved, my parents worked, but we lived I homes with exposed concrete flours, mice infestations, mould, plaster crumbling off the walls. Anyone who looks at the family in the picture and envies them or begrudges them a tumble dryer need a slap to the head. I would not have chosen to have nine children (not sure my body would cope with that) but most people are one or two paychecks away from finding themselves in this position.

alemci Fri 25-Oct-13 09:00:24

I think he is selfish to have so many children he cannot afford. Why a python to add to the lack of space? Oh and another child on the way.

Stupid and irresponsible IMO.

He could cut his lawn could he not?

The house needs treating for the mould and refurbishing. Perhaps they could be rehoused but OOH I still think they shouldn't have had so many DC in the first place.

Gileswithachainsaw Fri 25-Oct-13 09:02:35

I expect they went to the papers to try and get their local authority to do something about the mould. I doubt it's anything like the Fail have reported.

32 grand isn't that much with that many children it won't go as far as people think.

However they are foolish for having so many children whilst not being able to afford them. Plenty have ended up in a situation where jobs have been lost and they were supporting themselves before bit this is different. They knowingly had child after child after child despite the situation they are in.

Children shouldn't be made to suffer for their idiot parents decisions though.

Pixel Fri 25-Oct-13 20:44:55

I don't begrudge them a tumble dryer, I really don't care what gadgets or appliances people have, even big tvs if they insist, though they aren't to my taste.

I do care how little effort (not money) has been put into making the house into a home for the kids. The place is utterly grim and soulless, it looks like a squat rather than a place they have lived in for 8 years.

ColderThanAWitchsTitty Fri 25-Oct-13 21:19:31

Can you take care a family that size without a washing machine and a fridge?

I wouldn't pay rent to live in a moldy shit hole either

ColderThanAWitchsTitty Fri 25-Oct-13 21:20:36

oh and someone should take that fuckign python off him.

EeTraceyluv Fri 25-Oct-13 22:00:54

Just going back to the 'you are paid if you are in the DM' Er, no. I was interviewed and photographed for a DM article once and asked if I would be paid for it. Absolutely not. Luckily they didn't use it, but I can assure you there is no fee attached

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