To be so angry about this stupid English teacher!

(189 Posts)
ILikeTrains Sun 20-Oct-13 21:18:18

My daughter's just told me how her English teacher has corrected her on her spelling of apostrophe. Not a huge thing to get angry about except that my daughter's spelling it correctly and the teacher keeps telling her to spell it apostrophie! This is her English teacher, how on Earth is she supposed to respect and be inspired by this teacher.

I know it's quite a small this to get annoyed about but it's just really wound me up.

bundaberg Sun 20-Oct-13 21:20:06

really?? i would write a note pointing this out! you're right, she's an English teacher, she should know how to spell it correctly

kim147 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:21:58

First rule of spelling threads etc.

Make sure your punctuation is correct. Especially "daughter's".

No apostrophe needed. grin

kim147 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:23:05


Sorry. My daughter has just told me.

Sorry. blush

AgentZigzag Sun 20-Oct-13 21:23:22

I'm not anal about spelling and punctuation, but that's pretty crap for an English teacher.

Not sure how you can say it though, I'm guessing it won't go down very well.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:24:37

Erm, in both uses of 'daughter's' in the OP, the use of apostrophe is correct.

First instance she is shortening 'daughter has', second instance shortening 'daughter is'. Both need an apostrophe!

BlackholesAndRevelations Sun 20-Oct-13 21:24:48

Ahem. Kim, you are wrong. Both apostrophes are for contractions: daughter has, and daughter is.

I'd be fucked off too, op; definitely put her straight!!

millyrainbow Sun 20-Oct-13 21:24:58

Daughter's = daughter has

ILikeTrains Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:00

We have a tutor day coming up, they're going to know I'm not impressed with this lady. I could have forgiven it (just) if it had been any other teacher.

mumofboyo Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:26

Kim, an apostrophe in daughter's is right isn't it, as it's short for 'daughter has'?

Anyway, yes I would point it out. If I make a mistake I like to know about it so I can rectify it.

kim147 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:33

I just realised that after I posted. And there's no instant delete button grin

BlackholesAndRevelations Sun 20-Oct-13 21:25:47

Lots of cross posting! grin

BooItTooJulia Sun 20-Oct-13 21:26:06

My son was told that discombobulated wasn't a real word by his teacher.

In the end, I just told ds that not everyone can know everything. However, an English teacher should know better.

Calling teachers stupid, btw, isn't generally well received....

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:26:33

And that would piss me off too, especially as it's an English teacher!

My Maths teacher at college (and the whole sodding class!) shouted me down for spelling out 'meringue', then the teacher wrote 'merang' on the board. I was 19 and shocked. If that happened now, I'd photocopy the bloody dictionary and take it in with me. Fuckwit of a teacher (mine, not yours).

Chewbecca Sun 20-Oct-13 21:27:00

YANBU - but I disagree it is a small thing - it's a big problem for me if an English teacher cannot spell.

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:27:14

Kim grin

CackleCackle Sun 20-Oct-13 21:28:57

Give your daughter a small dictionary. Underline apostrophe in it. Let her take it to school.

CackleCackle Sun 20-Oct-13 21:29:07

Give your daughter a small dictionary. Underline apostrophe in it. Let her take it to school.

Caitlin17 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:29:13

I'd definitely take it up politely with the teacher.
(Having of course checked several dictionaries just to make sure"ie" isn't an acceptable alternative spelling)

BrokenSunglasses Sun 20-Oct-13 21:29:36

I wouldn't mind a teacher making a mistake, but the fact that they are inviting they are right without even bothering to check would piss me right off.

YANBU to bring it up.

CackleCackle Sun 20-Oct-13 21:29:49

Sorry for double post.

FourEyesGhoul Sun 20-Oct-13 21:30:54

YANBU to be annoyed and surprised.

Have you seen for yourself that the teacher's spelling it incorrectly (in your daughter's exercise book, for example)? Because I have trouble believing that a fully qualified English teacher can't spell 'apostrophe' correctly. For a start, many secondary English classrooms have a punctuation list (with each piece of punctuation and its name) on the wall.

ajandjjmum Sun 20-Oct-13 21:30:56

By her a dictionary as a Christmas present. Highlight 'apostrophe' and put a note on the tag saying 'please see Pg. *'. grin

kim147 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:37

I had an argument with a teacher when we doing a quiz at school and I mentioned the word "coracle" as an answer. He told me there was no such thing and I was wrong. I knew all about them as I'd read a book about them. But he was the teacher so he must have been right.

ReluctantBeing Sun 20-Oct-13 21:31:50

I'm an English teacher and I am shocked at the basic errors some of my colleagues make. I think you should send a note in and point out her error.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Sun 20-Oct-13 21:33:02

Oh, I feel your pain...

Several times, when the DD's Yr 2 teacher sent home notes, I had to wrestle DH to the ground and grab the red pen off him, as he furiously attempted to correct her comedy spelling/punctuation errors before returning the note to her.

redexpat Sun 20-Oct-13 21:33:45

It's an English class. There should be dictionaries in the room. She can look it up in class surely? But YANBU. Although, we all make mistakes.

AgentZigzag Sun 20-Oct-13 21:33:54

That's shit Heartbroken (and Boo), have to ask how 'meringue' came up in a maths class??

ILikeTrains Sun 20-Oct-13 21:34:39

Love the dictionary idea Cackle, I might just do that :D

kim147 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:36:17

I could get the word "meringue" into a maths class. But I might have to check it when I spelt it.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:09

And, I've sat in more English lessons than I care to remember (working as a TA) and winced at the teacher's comedy spelling.

Simultainiously was a favourite, as I recall hmm

Have also worked as a TA in junior schools, where the Y5 teacher confidently asserted that dinosaurs lived alongside pre-histroic man - she was stunned (and highly dubious) when I quietly pointed out they missed each other by millions of years hmm

harticus Sun 20-Oct-13 21:37:28

At school I was told by a teacher that there was no such thing as a "bauble". When I asked her what she put on her Christmas tree she gave me a detention for being lippy.
And this is why I have a lifelong problem with authority. grin

OP - be sure to correct her.

LeBearPolar Sun 20-Oct-13 21:38:06

This would infuriate me but it's so hard to know how to raise these things. I am an English teacher and once saw an essay a colleague of mine had marked - she'd spelt 'unacceptable' 'unexceptable' shock And - oh the irony - she was commenting that a pupil's error was 'unexceptable' blush I didn't know what to say or where to start.

MissBetseyTrotwood Sun 20-Oct-13 21:40:14

I'm an English teacher. I have black holes (I can never, ever spell receive except on autocorrect) but I make damn sure I've shone a bit of light down 'em before I teach 'em.

Send said teacher an email. Or correct their mistake in red pen and send it back.

ILikeTrains Sun 20-Oct-13 21:46:03

She did try to question the teacher's spelling but was told that it should have an i. As she only started in September at this school I guess she didn't feel confident enough to push it any further.

She's very cool about it though, in fact I think she's pretty happy that she can spell better than her teacher.

AgentZigzag Sun 20-Oct-13 21:47:10

There's nothing wrong in not knowing how to spell something or not being arsed to learn the nuances of grammar, but you have to know for sure that you're right before you start arguing the toss.

Unless you don't mind looking like a total twat.

Can't understand why the teachers who've done this can't just check.

Or would that involve more loss of face/authority than they can spare?

AgentZigzag Sun 20-Oct-13 21:50:22

Do you mean started a new school rather than she's just started in reception ILike?

Although I can go on thinking your 4 YO is a genius and knows better than her teacher if you like? grin

Halfrek Sun 20-Oct-13 21:50:32

I teach English and know that I sometimes make errors. I usually double check if I am unsure but some probably slip through. If a student queried I would tell them to get a dictionary and apologise if I was wrong. Nobody is perfect.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Sun 20-Oct-13 21:50:38

Miss I'm an English graduate, and there are quite a few words, to this day, that simply never, ever look right to me. Even when I have written them correctly.

Recipes gets me, every single feckin time (resists the urge to write recipies ...and about a dozen others hmm

WestieMamma Sun 20-Oct-13 21:51:28

I have a Swedish teacher who trained as an English teacher and knows everything there is to know about England. She was never wrong. Even when I felt compelled to point out her errors, she wouldn't have it. EG I am completely wrong in my belief that Yorkshire puddings do not contain meat. hmm

MissBetseyTrotwood Sun 20-Oct-13 21:57:23

Well, recipies would make sense. 'Cos it's 'pies'. And they're yummy.

Sorry, I'm not helping, am I? grin

If I know I'm probably going to have to use a black hole word in my lesson, I look it up before and write it on my hand so I know I'll spell it correctly on the board.

FourEyesGhoul Sun 20-Oct-13 22:05:05

MissBetsey I often check my big dictionary in front of the class before writing a tricky word on the board. I think it's good for them to see that even specialists have to check from time to time (and that it's worth checking).

friday16 Sun 20-Oct-13 22:17:09

Masha Bell will be arriving on this thread in 5...4...3...

I would be pointing out the error, and wouldn't be too worried how she felt about it.
On the note of my spelling black holes, i always get confused with "possesses" - I know there's a rhyme but can never remember whether it goes "possesses possesses 5 es's" or " es's" grin

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 20-Oct-13 22:20:23

Ah, the meringue episode!

Teacher was writing one of those word problems (which really hack me off, but that's a whole other thread!) and he was using a cake shop. So he started writing the names of cakes on the board and called out 'how do you spell meringue?'. I told him how to spell it and got a load of verbal from the gobby boys in the class. Teacher didn't want the aggro so wrote his own spelling on the board.

I was tempted to tell him to write 'doughnut' instead, because that is what he clearly was!

I can spellings n that and it really riled me! Twenty years later and it still riles me angry

Tinlegs Sun 20-Oct-13 22:23:25

I too am an English teacher - and am appalled. Mind you, we had one (she didn't last long) who, when told that we needed to conduct a diagnostic spelling test (helps to spot dyslexia etc early on) asked how we do spelling tests at my school. I was a it bewildered, unsure that there was really more than one way. She said she preferred to deliver the test by writing the words on the board rather than reading them out. She has a permanent job, just not at my school!

BrunelsBigHat Sun 20-Oct-13 22:24:14

My brothers science teacher told him there was no such thing as a magnetron, and he was making it up. Wrote this in red pen across his homework.

Oh dear.

Me and my dad have degrees in engineering and physics.

We recorrected the correction and never let her forget it

picnicbasketcase Sun 20-Oct-13 22:26:56

DS had a homework sheet that instructed him to take a 'holiday brocher' to school once. hmm

Reception teacher had written a Nativity play where the three kings lines were, "I have bought you gold," etc. shock

Y2 teacher, when I was a TA was teaching her class that Russia was on Germany's side at the end of WW2.

tallulah Sun 20-Oct-13 22:42:30

DD1's Y5 teacher taught them that Anglo Saxons lived in holes in the ground. As I was studying a History Degree at the time, with a particular interest in the Anglo Saxons I was not impressed when this came home, and put DD straight.

She then went back to school and told the teacher exactly what mummy thought of her blush (in my defence it hadn't occurred to me that she would do that).

contortionist Sun 20-Oct-13 22:43:03

An English teacher of mine 'corrected' LED to lead.

AgentZigzag Sun 20-Oct-13 22:43:42

Hahahahaha, fucking brilliant Tinlegs grin

How long did it take you to regain your power of speech?

HicDraconis Sun 20-Oct-13 22:45:10

Westie of course Yorkshire puddings contain meat! Thick slices of roast beef in the middle of the pudding with gravy poured over the top smile I make mine in big pudding tins smile

(Unless you have some left over. Then they don't have meat in the middle, they have honey or maple syrup .... mmmmmmm)

bludgerwitch Sun 20-Oct-13 22:48:14

I had an English as a foreign language teacher who insisted that 'beneath' = 'next to'.

I kept on saying "But it's 'The wind beneath my wings', he would fall down if it meant 'next to'!!!!" - to no avail. angry

WestieMamma Sun 20-Oct-13 22:54:19

I would have forgiven her if her experience of Yorkshires was a pub lunch with a giant filled one. Really I would. But her argument was that she didn't like offal. I knew she was mixing up her puddings but didn't feel inclined to educate her, just to tell her she was wrong.

She also told me I was wrong for calling my Welsh dresser a Welsh dresser as there's no such thing.

She also told me that the Queen ran the country. I pointed out that the UK is a constitutional monarchy and therefore the Queen did not run the country. She was adamant I was wrong. So I printed off a page from the Parliament website saying they run the country as it's a constitutional monarchy and from the Queen's website saying she doesn't run the country as it's a constitutional monarchy. Teacher told me they were wrong too. grin

soul2000 Sun 20-Oct-13 22:57:39

Westie. Yorkshire Puddings are cooked in beef dripping so technically they have meat in them. HA HA.

picnicbasketcase Sun 20-Oct-13 22:59:36

Westie - tell her that saying the Queen is wrong about anything is treasonous.

YoniGetAnOohWithTyphoo Sun 20-Oct-13 23:03:55

YANBU. I remember getting very annoyed being told as a teenager in a very pointed, condescending manner that 'hypocritical' wasn't a word and the correct term was 'hippocratic'. I told her that was just an oath that doctors take, and she looked somewhat flustered and then lied and said 'it's both'. Grrr. Take in the dictionary and show her lol :D

Heartbrokenmum73 Sun 20-Oct-13 23:11:26

There was a TA at DM's school who was working with the kids struggling with their literacy. So she made certificates for them to take home. And what did they say?

'Your a star!'.


ReluctantBeing Sun 20-Oct-13 23:17:55

I can nearly (actually not at all) overlook the comma splice by fellow English teachers that I currently work with, but when one wrote 'reviews - why they are wrote' on the board, I could have cried.

MMcanny Sun 20-Oct-13 23:26:33

My son's teacher ridiculed him for saying there was ever a three penny coin. The lesson was about coins that had fallen out of use. I think she only went as far back as a half pence. I found an old thruppenny bit from the back of a drawer for him to take in and show her (I am VEEERRRY old!) - as well as printing a factsheet all about it off t'internet - but he was too shy to be so gallus. Thankfully she was only a cover teacher and not his everyday one - wench!

limitedperiodonly Sun 20-Oct-13 23:41:33

I was seven and wrote an essay on where I'd been in the holidays. My teacher corrected my spelling of Blenheim Palace to 'i before e, except after c'.

When I told her she was wrong she told me off.

WestieMamma Sun 20-Oct-13 23:45:01

Westie - tell her that saying the Queen is wrong about anything is treasonous.

I told her that postage stamps within the EU were free but that often shops don't realise so to make sure they didn't charge her next time she was over. I even told her the name of the imaginary Act of Parliament to throw at them. [evil]

My DD recently came home with an misspelled word in her list of weekly spellings. Not a typo, it was a deliberate spelling and just plain wrong. I wasn't impressed.

DD pointed at the word to her teacher, who admitted the error and told the rest of the group who were learning the same list to correct the spelling on their sheets.

The teacher has now gone right back up in my estimation as she not only accepted her error but also corrected herself in front of the class and didn't make DD feel bad. I like her much more now.

Complete typing fail - my apologies. I think it is time for me to go to bed.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 00:38:02

"Today we done number work"

"Today we was learning about teeth"


englishteacher78 Mon 21-Oct-13 05:38:40

How awful! If it reassures any of you, OFSTED's big thing at the moment (one of them) seems to be literacy across the curriculum.
You would, however, be surprised at how often words look weird on a whiteboard. The apostrophe mis-spelling would have angered me greatly though.

Driz Mon 21-Oct-13 05:49:17

Gallus is a fab word MMcanny!

changeforthebetter Mon 21-Oct-13 06:12:06

Am amazed by poor spelling among colleagues - anyone need any asatates?! (Snort)

It tends to be younger people who spell poorly IMHO. "Proffesional" was another beaut (PGCE fellow student).

I am not a spelling nazi by any stretch of the imagination but I do think teachers should get this sort of thing right. Yes, I would comment. The only possible concession is that she may have done a 7-day week, marked 200+ books and be so tired that she is hallucinating........

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Mon 21-Oct-13 06:41:47

I once spelt a word wrong on a child's spelling list, Mum pointed it out, I apologised and thanked her. No drama, child was v happy to have got one over on me.

Sometimes after marking / setting spellings for hours, your mind can go a bit fuzzy. No excuse for the glaring grammatical errors detailed here, but sadly, they are common. I refused to put a notice on my board that said Archery Clubs taking place on Mpnday's. Made me wince. No wonder kids don't get it if they're seeing adults write that sort of tripe!

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Mon 21-Oct-13 06:43:52

That should read "Monday's", it was not quite that illiterate! Also my phone appears to have deleted the speech marks from my post, making me look illiterate. The minefield of modern technology!

RedHelenB Mon 21-Oct-13 08:28:44

I think at year 7 I eould leave it up to your child.m If she knows she is right & is happy that's the main thing. Maybe suggest to her that the next time it happens she offers to look it up in a dictionary (& is of course proved right!!)

BitOutOfPractice Mon 21-Oct-13 08:47:02

Agent zigzag maybe just maybe it's a new secondary school she's started at?

My dd had a frank exchange if views about the capital of the Netherlands during a school quiz a few years back. The teacher was quite wrongly insistent that dd was incorrect. Dd got my oh (who is Dutch) to write a more to the teacher putting her right grin

LeGavrOrf Mon 21-Oct-13 08:55:21

I remember having a stand up row with my English teacher when I was 12 over the spelling of gaol. He had spelled it as goal on the board. He wouldn't have it. I think he realised that he had made a mistake but didn't want to back down and lose face in front of the classroom. I offered to get the dictionary and got a lunchtime detention for it.

finallydelurking Mon 21-Oct-13 08:57:26

I was once emailed by the deputy head about the 'school websight'. No words.

BackforGood Mon 21-Oct-13 09:05:59

YABU to be "so angry" with the teacher. You need to get it in perspective. She's made a mistake. What she should have done was said "Oh, I thought it was... can you go and check in the dictionary, please" (which, being an English lesson would be in the classroom), then apologised.
OK, she didn't do that, which then is your daughter's choice if she wants to take a dictionary in to show her next lesson, or just let it lie, but, it really, really isn't worth getting so angry about - save that for when something serious happens.

pointyfangs Mon 21-Oct-13 09:08:55

When I was in secondary in Holland, I had an English teacher who pronounced the word 'laughter' to rhyme with 'daughter'.

Even back then I was fully bilingual and we had an adversarial relationship so I said nothing, but my face must have spoken volumes.

friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 09:12:51

Local super-selective's sixth form prospectus, big headlines as page headings:

"The school has very high aspirations for it’s students who exceed these expectations. HMI, 2012"

"...supporting it’s students to develop the skills and confidence to take their place as adults in the 21st century.’ Ofsted, 2008

If you trace back to the original Ofsted reports, they're correctly spelt. It's the school that has "corrected" them.

CeliaFate Mon 21-Oct-13 09:14:08

Mistakes are human, it's how we deal with them that it's important. If I was that teacher, I'd check in the dictionary if someone questioned my spelling.
When I was a student, my tutor corrected "sensitive" to "sensative". I got a dictionary and pointed it out to him that he was wrong. Not the most diplomatic response I was a smart-arse but he accepted he was wrong.
I'd let the teacher know her mistake, but not rub her face in it. She's got a long relationship with your dd, best not to spoil it. Handle it carefully.

RandomCitizen Mon 21-Oct-13 09:22:12

I was just reading the postcards given out by the super selective school, last night - you know, addressed to future students/parents from a selected demographic sample within the school.

The one from the head girl contained the most ungrammatical, nonsensical load of words that I have ever seen cobbled together! It was terrible.

I am wondering whether to point out that someone should have edited it.

GhostsInSnow Mon 21-Oct-13 09:29:08

Not spellings but I had a long 'discussion' with a Primary teacher about Ligers and Tigons. He informed me I was being 'Utterly ridiculous' and that such creatures didn't exist. My Uncle bless him would buy me natural history type books as a kid which I just devoured and the Ligers and Tigons were in one of them.
To his credit the teacher did apologise the following day when I plonked the book on his desk. He gave me a house point for teaching him something grin

Boaty Mon 21-Oct-13 11:26:56

My friends' then 8 yr old son in a new prep school on a scholarship corrected the teachers use of apostrophe on the board, it was not received well, he was told to be quiet, he then told the teacher she was an incompetent fool...his mother was called in and he was made to apologise..he was very indignant because he felt he was right and she should apologise to him!!
His mother still cringes.. grin

CeliaFate Mon 21-Oct-13 11:28:03

God ^^ he sounds delightful, Boaty shock

MerryMarigold Mon 21-Oct-13 11:32:45

We had a homework set where someone 'wondered' through the park (kids had to finish of story). One of my pet hates. Was v tempted to point it out, but since ds is 7 and Y3, and could hardly read it anway, I refrained oooh, self control.

MerryMarigold Mon 21-Oct-13 11:33:21

that would be finish off story. Clearly not bothered about missing consonants, just incorrect vowels!

snakeweave Mon 21-Oct-13 11:37:02

i think it's perfectly acceptable for a pupil to question a teacher if he/she seems to have made a mistake. i'm a teacher and i would always encourage my kids to point out any errors they think i've made so long as they do it in a respectful way. calling a teacher (or anyone) an idiot or an incompetent fool is obviously not nice. teachers who are not prepared to be questioned have failings as teachers imo.

DuckToWater Mon 21-Oct-13 11:37:31

I wrote about the Ermine Stoat when I was about 6. I got a "See Me". The teacher wasn't cross or anything but thought it was nice that I had made up the idea of a stoat turning white in the snow.

The next day I took my Readers Digest wildlife book in to show her this:

She was stoatally amazed

digerd Mon 21-Oct-13 11:49:41

I am a little senile now, but my use of the ' includes the possessive case. Daughter's spelling for example. If daughters are plural, then the ' goes after the s at the end. Is my memory letting me down?

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 11:50:27

MerryMarigold I had never come across that one before last week. According to my mother's hospital report she was "wondering" on the ward.

I might have let it go but given that she has advanced dementia and a mental capacity score of 0/10 it paints a rather inaccurate picture of her condition.

TheEponymousGrub Mon 21-Oct-13 11:53:39

My sister and I had had the same English teacher who did (with her class) the Ballad of Reading Gaol. How did he pronounce it?
"Reeding goal."

I could never understand that, because what did he think the poem was about??????
I so wanted him to try that with my class, but he never did sad

TheEponymousGrub Mon 21-Oct-13 12:02:12

Digerd, a nice trick is to imagine a circle drawn around the noun, be it singular or plural, and place the apostrophe after that. So:
belonging to my DD: (daughter)'s
belonging to both my DDs: (daughters)'
or: (children)'s

I have been waiting ages to get telling that to someone.

bruffin Mon 21-Oct-13 12:08:06

My DD had to explain to her teacher that he had got the meaning of wherefore art thou wrong in Romeo and Juliet.
Give him his due he did start to teach it correctly after that.

digerd Mon 21-Oct-13 12:13:20

Thank you. My memory did not let me downsmile < as it does with nouns and names of people, vocabulary, films etc and some spellings>.
I did GCE O levels in 1960 including English, when grammar was a very important part of the subject syllabus. My memory now is a bit suspectsad

MerryMarigold Mon 21-Oct-13 12:57:01

digerd, oh no, that's a bad spelling mistake! I think "wondering" is quite common, but hopefully not with teachers!

HouseAtreides Mon 21-Oct-13 12:57:08

DD1's y4 teacher was shockingly bad. Among other gems she taught the class that a camel's hump is full of water.

MerryMarigold Mon 21-Oct-13 13:00:30

What is a camel's hump full of?

CeliaFate Mon 21-Oct-13 13:01:22

Ds's friend was taught to put in an apostrophe when pluralising nouns!!
Had the sheet in his homework book - one cat, two cat's.
One very red faced teacher the following week!

CeliaFate Mon 21-Oct-13 13:02:00

Merry Camels' humps are full of fat.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 13:02:44

Given that it is a medical assessment it is quite bad to ascribe abilities to a patient that they don't actually have but you must be right about it being a common mistake. I have just been trying to explain it to my Dad and he can't see the problem grin

SoniaGluck Mon 21-Oct-13 13:10:00

My DD had to explain to her teacher that he had got the meaning of wherefore art thou wrong in Romeo and Juliet.

Most of the rest of the world get it wrong but you'd think someone teaching the play would know shock

PervCat Mon 21-Oct-13 13:11:27

OP is the tutor meeting tomorrow?

DuckToWater Mon 21-Oct-13 13:57:22

How about this one: I most frequently see Mother's Day written.

I always think Mothers' Day is more correct as it's a day for all mothers.

I got an A in my English Language GCSE in 1992 but there were several grammar rules I didn't learn until I studied French at A-Level and university. Yes, it actually taught me English grammar. Also I wasn't really sure how to use it's/its correctly until I read Eat Shoots and Leaves in my 20s. I knew you didn't put an apostrophe with plurals but wrote things like "The 1960's" until a few years ago, when someone pointed out the superfluous apostrophe.

Then there were some things I learned after I started work! E.g. "To whom I am writing" is more correct in written form than "Who I am writing to".

captainmummy Mon 21-Oct-13 14:05:02

Not spelling but - on the phone to Virgin (with whom I have been having problems) Salesgirl said 'I know you've wrote in...' I let it go several times, but then couldn't help myself muttering 'written in! I've written in!'' after about the 3rd time. She kept stopping her spiel, then carrying on. It made my teeth itch!
And she was English.

friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 14:08:40

I always think Mothers' Day is more correct as it's a day for all mothers

If you're going to be barbarous and use the American name, then you should defer to its inventor:

"In 1912, Jarvis incorporated her own association, trademarked the white carnation and the phrases “second Sunday in May” and “Mother’s Day”. She was specific about the location of the apostrophe; it was to be a singular possessive, for each family to honour their mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world."

In this country, "Mother's Day" is creeping Americanisation, renaming "Mothering Sunday" (4th Sunday in Lent) rather than adopting the US's second Sunday in May. So there shouldn't be an apostrophe in it at all.

RFLmum Mon 21-Oct-13 14:20:24

My daughters' primary school classroom had a sign on the cupboard saying 'Stationary'. Presumably they had experienced problems with moving furniture before grin

DuckToWater Mon 21-Oct-13 14:26:39

I don't like using Mothering Sunday, lest someone should mistake me for a churchy person. I don't much care for the religous origins either, and see Mothers' Day or Mother's Day as more secular, so preferable.

Also the Christian church was very good at hijacking pagan/other long standing festivals and traditions, so there is a rather a history of one thing turning into something quite different.

VeganCow Mon 21-Oct-13 14:38:01

Is this a joke? ApostrophIe, honestly, an english teacher thinks it is spelt that way?
I would have had to ring the school, just to check witht he teacher that she is actually saying it is spelt that way.

englishteacher78 Mon 21-Oct-13 14:42:44

That Romeo and Juliet mistake is unforgivable!

phantomnamechanger Mon 21-Oct-13 14:57:36

am I being dense, what's the Romeo & Juliet error?

phantomnamechanger Mon 21-Oct-13 15:01:46

my friend wrote a poem aged about 13 with the word "hoar" (as in frost)in it - and the English teacher said there was no such word. Now, you would think that before declaring there to be no such word, they would look it up to check, then they could make a big thing of it being a very good uncommonly used word, without looking like a pillock themselves.

we get too many notes in reading logs with your/you're confused, we have too many TAs that speak incorrectly so they will write "we was/we done" and we even had notes home saying "please bring your PE kit of Tuesday's and Friday's"


friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 15:05:17

phantom "Wherefore" means "why". It's often confused with "where". "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo" is Juliet asking why Romeo has the name he does, and (by implication) why he is a Montague and not simply someone Juliet can love without her family disapproving. It's not her wondering where he is. Given the rest of the scene, it's not impossible to construct a meaning in which it makes some vague sort of sense.

The other uses of the word in the same play make the sense more obvious ("Why, how now, kinsman! wherefore storm you so?", "But, wherefore, villain, didst thou kill my cousin?") and in other plays completely clear ("I have of late -- but wherefore I know not -- lost all my mirth") but it's an easy enough mistake to make if you aren't familiar with the language.

DiscretionGuaranteed Mon 21-Oct-13 15:55:34

DD, when small, had to use the word "explode" in a sentence, and wrote "Bombs explode." The teacher said that is wasn't a sentence - which is wrong of course, but what wound me up was the patronising "well tried" after it. The whilst point was that DD was correct but lazy, and had done a half-arsed sentence in an attempt to do the bare minimum of work. The combination of a sketchy grasp of grammar and a poor understanding of DD was not ideal.

phantomnamechanger Mon 21-Oct-13 16:52:31

Thank you FRiday, I did not know that I must confess, but then again, the only shakespeare I have ever studied was Macbeth in Yr 8 and The merchant of Venice for O level , many many years ago!

digerd Mon 21-Oct-13 17:12:35

It was Merchant of Venice for me too in english literature O level.

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 17:31:48

Anais, I get phrases like "We done some letters" etc. in dd2's home-school diary. It doesn't bother me at all, because these updates are usually written by the TAs, who are often young and not educated to the same standard as the teachers.

It would bother me if a teacher was making those mistakes, or if they were wrongly correcting the children's work, particularly if they behaved like LeGavrOrf's teacher shock.

CeliaFate Mon 21-Oct-13 19:03:49

BOF - it should bother you. T.A.s are responsible for teaching groups now. I kid you not "i went to the park" was written by one T.A. in Reception. How are children meant to learn when the adult teaching them models it incorrectly?

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 19:07:57

Perhaps I would feel differently if dd2 were in mainstream, but she isn't, so the academic side of things isn't an issue for me.

CeliaFate Mon 21-Oct-13 19:09:31

Ah, ok. That makes a difference.

serengetty Mon 21-Oct-13 19:17:00

As an LSA (with an English and History Degree), this month I have suffered 'vaccum', 'seperate', 'buddism' and 'plastacine'. Also had to sit through a cookery teacher insisting a zucchini is an aubergine, and an English teacher telling the kids John Wayne was very small and insisted on camera angles to make him look tall.

I sit and rock in the corner.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 19:22:08

BOF DS (6) is in special school. He is autistic so if someone in authority corrects him wrongly or writes, "we done / we was" on the board he might adopt those phrases for life! It's so hard to get him out of habits...

It's taken two years to make DD stop speaking that way after she went to secondary and picked it up from her new friends grin

persimmon Mon 21-Oct-13 19:26:13

I once did a creative writing course and one of the people read out their piece which contained the word 'puce'. The teacher was highly dubious that it was a real word.

persimmon Mon 21-Oct-13 19:27:07

..I also did an art class once and the teacher didn't know what colour ultramarine was..grin

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 19:32:53

Forgot to say, it didn't bother me at nursery age or in Reception. His achievement book was full of "we done" but I was meh about it because he didn't see it and they were LSAs who were brilliant at developing his social skills.

Now it's the person who is teaching the class. It's very tricky because in my county a lot of people don't know that it is incorrect and I'm going to feel a right twat if I point it out.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 19:37:52

grin persimmon.

I was once told by the LSA in Charge of Art Supplies that there was no black paint so I should mix it up from other colours, the way you'd mix red and yellow if no orange was available.

friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 19:39:12

English teacher telling the kids John Wayne was very small and insisted on camera angles to make him look tall.

How did John Wayne come up in the lesson? Wayne's reputation is fascinating: he died a genre actor famous for being a right-wing whackjob, but now several of his films (The Searchers, in particular, and The Shootist) are looking better and better.

eleflump Mon 21-Oct-13 19:40:50

We went to Parents Evening for DS, and the teacher had written on the front of every child's book: Grammer and Spellings.

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 19:41:48

Good point, Anais, I can see why that's a problem.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 19:45:29

Thanks BOF smile

Still dithering about it...

FriskyMare Mon 21-Oct-13 19:54:06

Dc were taking part in a music festival at a small private school. They had produced a lovely brochure with a full page advertisement describing how they had a 98% success rate of pupils gaining places at Grammer schools. confused

englishteacher78 Mon 21-Oct-13 19:54:23

@eleflump - we get that on loads of our parcels xxxx xxxx grammer school! Awful!

LeGavrOrf Mon 21-Oct-13 19:55:58

Funnily enough BOF, that teacher who refused to back down about the spelling of goal was all right. He retired and set up a photography business and I ended up working for him pt when dd was little, and we are still fiends to this day.

I called him out on it but he said he couldn't remember, and I gave him a beady look. He said I was an obstreperous little git at school (how dare he grin)

FriskyMare Mon 21-Oct-13 19:55:59

eleflump wonder if it was the same school grin

ninah Mon 21-Oct-13 19:56:26

you can mix a near black if you use every colour going

ninah Mon 21-Oct-13 19:57:11

grin at still fiends on a spelling thread

LeBearPolar Mon 21-Oct-13 19:59:24

LeGavrOrf - love the idea of you are your old teacher still being fiends to this day.

What devilish deeds do you get up to?! grin

ninah Mon 21-Oct-13 19:59:25

I had a ta write 'once apon a time' on the board as a story starter

LeGavrOrf Mon 21-Oct-13 20:00:53

Haha at fiends.grin

LeGavrOrf Mon 21-Oct-13 20:01:29

It's typical isn't it, spelling mistakes on a thread like this.

morethanpotatoprints Mon 21-Oct-13 20:04:15

The day my dd started school, all the parents were invited into the classroom for a preview. In bold letters on a large label on a large crate
read ROLL Play shock

ninah Mon 21-Oct-13 20:05:08

oh, and the apon a time ta is doing teacher training right now ...

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 20:05:19

Obstreperous little git? Was that your apprenticeship for becoming an Atrocious Cunt by Sixth Form? grin

Tell me that story again- something about a poster in the common room?

LeGavrOrf Mon 21-Oct-13 20:13:44


It was in the 90s and EVERYONE at school was obsessed with Nirvana, not me though, i was a groover and liked Depeche Mode (!).

Anyway loads of my mates had tickets to see Nirvana in concert in Cardiff. A few weeks before the concert date Kurt Cobain shot himself. As you can imagine loads of people were distraught. Not me though, I thought they were silly fuckers. So I got a big bit of paper and wrote 'half price Nirvana concert tickets available' and wrote something stupid like 'people are gunning for them' and out it up in F block (the year 11 area). Some twat (she was called Jo Jackson) recognised my bloody handwriting and said 'it was getorf' and people did NOT find it funny and I was shunned.

Anyway I told this story to marmaladetwatkins who was a big nirvana fan in her youth and she called me an atrocious cunt. grin

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 20:22:10

That is HILARIOUS. You so deserve that title grin

caroldecker Mon 21-Oct-13 20:25:12

Not entirely on thread, but aren't we glad all teachers are trained.

LeGavrOrf Mon 21-Oct-13 20:25:41

When Marm called me an atrocious cunt I couldn't stop laughing. I was thrilled. grin

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 21:47:22

seren I was just the same as you, when I worked as a TA. Sitting in the corner, privately aghast and looking like a rabbit caught in car-headlights at some of the beauties the teachers came out with.

The English teacher who didn't know there were 3 Bronte sisters, and argued debated the point with me hmm

The primary school teacher who genuinely believed that dinosaurs lived alongside early humans hmm

Another primary school teacher who got the Yr 6 class to draw up a list of what they'd need to take to the moon as astronauts - and insisted that a tent (to protect against bad weather) a gas stove and matches to light it, would all be very useful, and in fact necessary hmm

I was just staggered that anyone could get through a minimum of 17 years of formal education, including university, and be so woefully un-informed about some pretty basic stuff.

cardibach Mon 21-Oct-13 21:53:51

I am an English teacher of 24 years' standing, and there are words I can't spell reliably (e.g. embarrassed - is that right?) and I always check them before writing on the board. I am also happy for a student to correct me if I am wrong (as absent mindedness sometimes sets in). They love it if they can as it is a very rare occurrence. A teacher who can't admit they are wring is a very worrying creature. Everyone makes mistakes.
I once knew an HMI (precursor to OFSTED) who used to say to teachers, "Which of these children is more intelligent than we are and what are you doing about it?" Very revealing, I think. I am aware that,. though I am above average intelligence, some pupils are higher up that scale than I am. I know more at the moment, but they will overtake me. I have no problem acknowledging this. If your child's teacher does, they may well be a twat.

cardibach Mon 21-Oct-13 21:54:26

*wrong. I rest my case.

friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 21:56:08

The primary school teacher who genuinely believed that dinosaurs lived alongside early humans

And then, presumably, started some crap about their religious freedom when challenged on it.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 21:57:47

I can't remember friday I think I was too stunned, to take much else in?

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 21:57:51

cardibach, double r, double s is correct.

LaQueen, I once passed on a great tip to you about how to spell 'discreet'. It makes me weep when you still get it wrong grin.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 22:01:32

BOF it's one of my buggery-words, like recipes. Even when I write it correctly It. Still. Looks. Wrong hmm

And, now I have created a total mind-blank vortex about it.

morethanpotatoprints Mon 21-Oct-13 22:02:28

Ah, cardi said twat, I'm telling.

cardi That was a truly wonderful post.

I have a friend who is an authority on most things. He is working on all things atm.
It is simple, if somebody asks him something he'll do his best to come up with the answer, some how.

cardibach Mon 21-Oct-13 22:03:27

I know LaQueen. THe more you think about it the worse it gets. I'm thinking of having a page permanently open on my phone to confirm the spelling of embarrass and harass. I did it right then, I think...

cardibach Mon 21-Oct-13 22:05:08

morethan -Ta very much <blushes>
I truly believe it, though. Nobody knows everything, and only one person is the most intelligent in the world! (Anyone know who it is? I could do with her help).

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 22:07:52

Do you want it again?

The way I remember it is to imagine somebody saying in a stage whisper, "Shhhh, be discreeeet". And the version without the long 'e' spelling, 'discrete', is a single 'e' because things which are discrete are separate, set apart from other things, squashed up in a corner on their own.

zipzap Mon 21-Oct-13 22:19:55

I can remember correcting my geography teacher about where the name for Milton Keynes came from - we were studying it for O-level (that dates me!). She said it was named after John Milton and Maynard Keynes.

She was not too happy when I asked if it was just co-incidence that a village called milton keynes was mentioned in the doomsday book and it just happened to be in the middle(ish!) of the new town (I lived nearby and a neighbour was involved with the planning so knew more about it and had certainly been to it more than she ever had).

She wasn't a very effective teacher - often taught us the wrong stuff or misread the syllabus so taught us all 3 of the 'learn one of these' options but missed out other compulsory bits. it was a boarding school - my housemistress was also the head of geography and one day I was having problems working something out so asked her for help, started chatting about what we were doing (I wasn't in her class) and she realised just a couple of months before the exams that our class was screwed as we hadn't been taught enough of the syllabus angry - she then organised make up sessions but it wasn't the same.

We also used to have a latin teacher that was very old and doddery - so when we had a vocab test we'd just write all the words and meanings down the side of the board, in a message box that started something like 'anybody want a kitten?' - she would write the test on the board and never noticed shockgrin and would then wonder why we did so well on tests but never in exams.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 22:21:49

BOF you're very kind. But I could biro it across my forehead, and it will still look wrong.

Oh, and I've thought of another one... confidently - the urge to write confidentally is almost overwhelming, at times hmm

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 22:22:52

LaQueen you should have introduced the teacher who said that dinosaurs lived alongside humans to your MIL grin

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 22:23:26

I'm like that with 'publicly'. I always feel it might be 'publically' blush.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 22:30:21

When I was taking GCSE my lovely old gentleman of a history teacher spent two terms on the Napoleonic Wars. Not in the syllabus - he just liked them grin

zipzap Mon 21-Oct-13 22:31:51

DS1 had homework last year in Y3 that he had to 'think of great inventors like Einstein...'

I did go and ask the teacher exactly what Einstein had invented as according to most accounts he was a theoretical physicist who had made amazing advances in knowledge but hadn't actually invented anything per se.

She said she hadn't set the homework (it was one for the year, several classes in the year) but that they thought that Einstein was the best person to illustrate a mad inventor confused. So I then asked if she could clarify the homework and did she want ds to come up with his own invention as if he was an inventor albeit not Einstein. Or did she want him to come up with some theoretical physics like Einstein but not to come up with an invention - because if he did what the homework asked him to do (come up with an invention like Einstein) he wouldn't have to do anything because Einstein hadn't come up with any inventions...

Yup, I'm that mother grin

She gave in eventually and said that they would get it fixed for next year and to come up with an invention...

I also pointed out to DS1's Y2 teacher that the curriculum note that they sent out had a spelling mistake - in the line asking parents to practise spellings daily with their kids. Duly noted by the teacher who said she would tell the head of year who had written the leaflet - but then the next term another curriculum note was sent out - same line in it with the same spelling mistake in it. Pointed it out. And then yet again it came out in the summer term with the same mistake. At least his teacher appreciated the irony of the spelling mistake being in the line about practising spellings.

I suspect that when DS2 gets to Y2 next year they will still be issuing the same curriculum notes. With the same mistakes...

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 22:34:02

Zipzap grin

friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 22:37:53

but hadn't actually invented anything per se.

Oh, you're lucky the teacher wasn't in the mood to be really awkward. Einstein-Szilard Refrigerator.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 22:49:36

zip my DD1's Yr 1 teacher hated me with a passion.

She once thought to regale me with the benefit of her expertise on lingusitcs/phonics having just attended a 2 day seminar.

In my naive excitement, I thought 'Oooh, goody, we can talk shop' (I studied linguistics at post-grad) and cheerfully launched into my theories on phatic communication, inter-linked with some language acquisition...only to be met with a very stoney silence, and a frosty stare.

I belatedly realised I was meant to just stand there and humbly bask in the relected glory of her superior knowledge - ooops grin

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 22:50:18

Bah - linguistics ...

moggiek Mon 21-Oct-13 22:50:45

I know that I'm 54 and more than a tad intolerant at times, but some of these stories make me want to weep! Someone said that TAs are often young and less well educated than teachers. If they are not well enough educated to understand basic grammar what on earth are they doing in a classroom???

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 23:00:22

The cover supervisor who writes, "we was / we done" will be teaching my son until July 2014.

moggiek Mon 21-Oct-13 23:04:41

Oh, Anais shock

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 23:05:39

I guess it depends, moggiek. For me and my daughter with severe LDs, I thank the universe for the TAs she has, who may not be formally educated, but are deeply compassionate and kind, supportive people willing to take direction from a suitably qualified teacher, and who somehow manage to deal with challenging behaviour ranging from violence to toileting problems, while maintaining dignity and, yes, love, for the children they help.

I know this isn't the same as for everyone with children in mainstream, and I'm not trying to pull some kind of top trumps (I hate that), but I think it's important to bear in mind the priorities for different groups of children.

moggiek Mon 21-Oct-13 23:09:35

Well said, BOF. Perhaps wrong of me to generalise.

zipzap Mon 21-Oct-13 23:10:16

friday16 I just knew there was going to be some tiny thing that he invented grin

At least on wikipedia it says that they reckon he didn't do much of the inventing himself, it was more his partner and he did the theoretical and paperwork side of things...

And anyhow - it's not like he's really famous for that in comparison to his physics stuff... (that's my argument and I'm sticking to it grin) They could have chosen so many people and yet they chose someone who is not really an inventor invented something really obscure with somebody else.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 23:11:08

Oh fucking Hell anais I would be livid, absolutely livid.

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 23:11:43

Thanks, Moggie- I wasn't trying to be holier-than-thou, just offering my own perspective.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Mon 21-Oct-13 23:16:07

You have a good point BOF - when our DDs were at nursery, the spelling/grammar of some of the nursery nurses was comical. I suppose typically they were young girls, who probably hadn't performed very well at GCSE level.

But...they were very patient, kind and considerate towards the children, and that's all they needed to be, in that environment.

I simply didn't not have the skills/abilities to their job (my idea of a living Hell), and I guess they didn't have the skills/abilities to do mine (librarian), and it would probably have been their idea of a living Hell, too smile

zipzap Mon 21-Oct-13 23:16:58

This has just reminded me of the 6th form. We were all expected to give assemblies on a regular basis, which was a bit of a pain. Somebody in the year above had the bright idea of inventing a saint from the 10th Century who happened to provide quotes for exactly what you needed him to say without having to bother looking up for a real quote grin

He became quite the fixture and regularly featured in lots of assemblies, all the students knew who he was and he survived and was still being quoted a pretty long time after we left (according to a friend's younger brother at the school).

The teachers were all really perplexed that lots of the students were able to quote this one obscure saint but had no clue about any others. They never did find out - although somebody from the year above did end up going back to the school as a teacher so I guess she must have told them. or just carried on quoting him when she needed a convenient quote and smiling if any of the pupils quoted him!

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 23:19:03

That's brilliant, Zipzap grin

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 23:19:25

BOF I agree and I am sorry if my posts have been interpreted as goady. I share the same opinion of the marvellous TAs.

BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 23:22:15

God, no, not at all, Anais! You really made me think when you pointed out that having an adult 'authorise' the wrong spelling/grammar could be totally counter-productive with some more academically able children with autism.

friday16 Mon 21-Oct-13 23:23:21

Your general point is right. The only reason I remembered the Einstein-Szilard fridge (which my recollection of reading about, pace Wonkypedia, was that it didn't actually work) was because I've recently been reading about the Einstein-Szilard letter.

It shows that Einstein really, really wasn't an inventor: his physics was fundamental to the Manhattan Project, and yet he hadn't realised the implications (^Daran habe ich gar nicht gedacht^) and was denied clearance to work on the bomb anyway. All over Europe, various physicists were thinking about nuclear weapons, and in Birmingham actually coming up with viable designs using plausible amounts of material and yet Einstein made essentially no contribution.

AnaisHellWitch Mon 21-Oct-13 23:31:16

BOF - no worries.


BOF Mon 21-Oct-13 23:35:40

back atcha

OxfordBags Tue 22-Oct-13 00:39:30

I was a boring swot in school, but my teachers were perplexed by me always getting in trouble with my English A-level teacher. This was because she was thick as pigshit and I couldn't keep my gob shut at some of her clangers. A few precious gems I remember from her:

That I had made up the word quintessential.
That onomatopoeia was not a foreign word and is not spelt onnomattopier.
That chimpanzees are monkeys.
That baby horses are ponies.
That there are no words in the English language with more than 10 syllables - and when I pointed out that antidisestablishmentarianism has more than 10, she tried to give me a detention.

It came to a head when I got sent to the Head for 'insolence'. He asked me what I had done to provoke the teacher, and I told him that I had tried to persuade her that holidays was not spelt 'holliday's'. After that, they realised she was crap and I wan't a bad kid (although a pedantic little smartarse, obviously).

She also took things literally (that made studying the Metaphysical Poets fun - not), and read reeeeally slowly, with her finger under each word. It's a surprise I'm still a bookworm after being taught by her.

OxfordBags Tue 22-Oct-13 00:40:55

Sorry, the onomatopoeia thing is messed-up, I meant that SHE said it was foreign and spelt wrongly.

Well, you have to make a mistake on a pedantry thread, it's the law!

captainmummy Tue 22-Oct-13 08:24:18

Onomatopoeia is a foreign word? It's Greek, Isn't it?

OxfordBags Tue 22-Oct-13 08:34:14

It's from a Greek term, yes, but if we start calling every word with an originally non-English extraction 'foreign', then we'd have virtually no words that weren't technically 'foreign'. Also, the teacher meant it to mean that it wasn't a word used in the UK, like I was coming out with a random foreign word to try to look clever.

captainmummy Tue 22-Oct-13 08:37:25

Oh I see. Personally I love 'foreign' words - I love tracing the roots of them. Is it Etymology?

hackmum Tue 22-Oct-13 09:07:45

Lol at making up the word "quintessential".

Also love zipzap's story - top marks for inventiveness.

LaQueenOfTheDamned Tue 22-Oct-13 09:58:57

Oxford what the Hell did she make of metaphysical poetry, then? It must have horribly confused her (and the poor students she was teaching it to).

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