by not tipping my hairdresser

(64 Posts)
BooCanary Sat 19-Oct-13 13:10:18

I've been going to the same hairdressers for years.
She is lovely - she is not only a great hairdresser but we get on really well and I really look forward to seeing her.

She's not cheap (£60 - 80 for colour, cut and dry/straighten) but worth it IMO.

BUT I have never tipped her. I think she gets paid enough. If she was getting paid £30 - fair enough, but it seems daft (and a bit patronising) to tip her a few quid on top of the £80 I've just paid. My DM tips her hairdresser but she only pays about £15 for a quick cut.

AIBU?

RevelsRoulette Sat 19-Oct-13 13:13:44

No. You don't have to tip anyone.

Is she the owner of the business or does she just work there? That would be a factor in my decision. If she was a low paid worker that just happened to work for a company that charged me £60 then I may give her a tip. If she was the one charging me the £60 then I probably wouldn't. iyswim.

BooCanary Sat 19-Oct-13 13:20:53

It's her business Revels.

NotScared Sat 19-Oct-13 13:26:45

No you're right.

If it was a member of staff or the shampooer then ok but she's getting enough cash from you.

RevelsRoulette Sat 19-Oct-13 13:26:53

oh well, then no, I wouldn't tip.

Svrider Sat 19-Oct-13 13:53:08

Yanbu
I never tip any hairdressers etc
IMO the price you pay is what's advertised
I don't buy petrol and then add 10% to the bill shock

Weeantwee Sat 19-Oct-13 13:53:10

I've never tipped my hairdresser. I pay her £35 to trim an inch off my hair and tidy my layers about once every 3 months. My mum has always tipped her hairdresser, but she also gives the binman a tip at Christmas so I've always thought it a generational thing.

WMittens Sat 19-Oct-13 14:10:27

I don't buy petrol and then add 10% to the bill

Bit of a crap example - tipping tends to be added for services, not products. If you're filling your car yourself, then no, obviously no one to tip; if a pump attendant fills your car then there's a potential tip market.

Nanny0gg Sat 19-Oct-13 15:47:10

If it's her business then no, no need to tip.

But do bear in mind that the £60-£80 isn't profit and doesn't go straight in her pocket!

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 19-Oct-13 15:49:07

£60-£80 for cut,colour and blow dry is not expensive.

I would tip if they were very good and do as I have asked. Otherwise not a chance.

RegTheMonkey Sat 19-Oct-13 16:49:16

The salon owner does my hair so I don't tip her. I tip the junior who washes my hair though. I remember someone telling me that you don't tip the salon owner

AnythingNotEverything Sat 19-Oct-13 16:56:26

I don't tip my hairdresser. I don't tip anyone who has trained to do their job.

I do tip taxis and waiting staff.

LaGuardia Sat 19-Oct-13 17:20:10

tipping tends to be added for services, not products

I am a nurse and no-one tips me.

amawhoisayiam Sat 19-Oct-13 17:32:17

I have tipped lots of times but I don't really want to, even after I haven't been totally happy with my hairdo. Too soft I know!

mrspremise Sat 19-Oct-13 18:42:28

itip my hairdresser because I really like her and don't think she charfes enough for the quality of work she does.make Also because she cuts my dcs hair and does it really well and they are bloody nightmares and I want to kill them at the hairdressers lol

FuzzyWuzzywasaWoman Sat 19-Oct-13 18:55:03

Our HCA's are on low wage, they offer fantastic service. They never get tipped, not even with chocolates.

YANBU I never tip.

marriedinwhiteisback Sat 19-Oct-13 19:44:37

My hairdresser owns the salon - she works from 8.30am to 7pm and later on Thursdays and Fridays every single week; week in and week out on her feet all day. I have known her for years and been her client for years and know how much she has struggled and how hard she works.

She is a fantastic hairdresser and incredibly nice and hardworking. I pay £49 for a cut and blow dry, £100 for a half head of highlights with c&b £140 for a whole head. I go every 6 to 8 weeks and every other time have either a half head or whole head.

I have never thought twice about tipping her. A fiver for a C&B and usually a tenner if I have highlights.

We are in SW London and for a fantastic hairdresser I don't think her prices are unreasonable.

The bonus of course is that if I need a blow dry or a bit of a trim at the last minute because I have to go to a function with DH - she always manages to fit me in and she gets pretty booked up but she always makes a little space to help me and my hair when I need it most. That is worth all the tipping in the world to me.

marriedinwhiteisback Sat 19-Oct-13 19:47:17

Whenever a member of my family has been in hospital and has been afforded good care and kindness I have always made it my business to drop by with a tin of a biscuits and a letter of thanks to the CEO. I might always be the first to complain when the service is crap but I am also the first to offer a bouquet when it is great.

Coupon Sat 19-Oct-13 19:59:36

YANBU. The custom of tipping is rather confusing. I'd rather just know what the price is and pay it.

NewbieMcNewbie Sat 19-Oct-13 20:15:31

I have never/would never tip a hairdresser.

Hate the tipping culture.

MinesAPintOfTea Sat 19-Oct-13 20:17:40

I've asked this before: how do you tip a hairdresser? I'm too british shy to feel comfortable trying to give extra money and don't know when to do it blush

NewbieMcNewbie Sat 19-Oct-13 20:18:06

Marriedinwhite, if she's putting in those hours, charging those prices and owns the business, she's making a pretty tidy living.

marriedinwhiteisback Sat 19-Oct-13 20:49:55

With pretty tidy outgoing in a SW London salon Newbie - I doubt she takes home much than an average wage.

WMittens Sat 19-Oct-13 22:15:30

LaGuardia

I am a nurse and no-one tips me.

I never said all services receive tips, I just stated the preference of services over products.

How often is a bill presented to a patient? I assume if you're work for the NHS, almost never; if private healthcare, the majority of fees will be dealt with via insurance. Does a bill or invoice get presented to the customer in that situation, or do they fill in their insurance details on an admission form?

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sat 19-Oct-13 22:16:37

Yanbu. I don't tip.

marriedinwhiteisback Sat 19-Oct-13 23:19:54

You tip when you pay the bill. I always pay the bill with my bank card and give her an extra £5 or £10 in her hand saying thank you and see you soon . If I'm there after 6pm - she pours me wine too.

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 19-Oct-13 23:21:46

Amazing how many people are cool with being tight.

Waiters/waitresses and hairdressers get a tip as long as the service was good. That applied when I was still at school never mind now I have a full time job.

Ghostlygirl Sat 19-Oct-13 23:40:52

I was in a branch of a well-known pizza restaurant chain a couple of months ago. I'm not sure if I am allowed to name it, but it wasn't Pizza Hut. If you wished to leave a tip, you could either give cash or add it to your bill if you were paying by card. I asked the waiter if he received all of the tip if it were given to him via debit card. He said that first of all, the head office took a cut of the tip, then the amount left would be divided so that the kitchen staff of that branch also had some, as they never receive tips, even though they are on a higher hourly rate than the waiting staff. Then the amount that was finally still his, would be taxed. He said that if a £5 tip were given to him via debit card, he probably saw about 50p of it. Needless to say, I tipped him with cash.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 00:03:17

Amazing how many people are cool with being tight.

I don't think it's a case of being tight, more that, apart from a couple of areas, tipping has never really been part of British culture. As is well known, the USA has a very different tipping culture.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 00:07:08

Then the amount that was finally still his, would be taxed.

I feel it's wrong that tips are taxed, they are a discretionary gift, not wages. However, I do sort of understand the need to evenly share the tips (to some extent, maybe among waiting staff) - it's a bit harsh if one waiter or waitress gets large tippers, and another gets who don't tip anything; it could be £50 or more difference just because of who was seated where.

Alisvolatpropiis Sun 20-Oct-13 00:11:27

Tipping has been quite a part of British culture - otherwise posters wouldn't be commenting on how it must be an older generation thing.

I don't go around tipping people willy nilly don't get me wrong. We're meant to tip taxi drivers but I think I've only ever tipped two. I've been in a fair few taxis. Just virtually none of them have warranted it in my opinion. Far too many mediocre or down right unpleasant experiences.

geminigirl Sun 20-Oct-13 00:18:02

I was in a Frankie and Bennys recently, never had been in before and was horrified and a little bit put out to be asked if I wanted to add a gratuity when I went to pay the bill. I declined but felt guilty, then I was annoyed that I felt guilty....I really didn't like the approach, I will leave something on the table as I leave if I want to leave a tip.

pigsDOfly Sun 20-Oct-13 00:24:59

Not sure why the tip should be shared WMittens. If the person receiving the all the tips is getting them because he or she has gone out of their way to give good service then the tips belong to them.

Why should someone who potentially doesn't give a damn about the customer end up receiving the same tip.

If I tip someone it's because I want to let them know I appreciate the service they've given me.

I also understood that it's considered bad form to tip the owner of the business.

Ifancyashandy Sun 20-Oct-13 00:28:10

I always tip. In cabs, I'll round it up ( today, my cab back from the supermarket was £8.80. I handed over a tender and told him to keep the change) as they'll help me carry my bags to the front door. In the hairdressers, I give my stylist (who is freelance in the salon) a £10 after a cut and colour (no junior, he washes my hair himself) & I gave the woman who did my nails today a £5 tip on a £35 bill. She did a great job and I want her to remember me when I next go in (new salon) so I get seen promptly on the day I want.

And always add 20% to restaurant bills. Ditto leaving the smallish change in bars.

Once a barmaid/waitress.....

Lillielangtry Sun 20-Oct-13 00:34:53

I never tip my hairdresser though I must admit I feel a bit guilty not doing so. But I know she's paid well (close to £30k as she's very senior) so I think it's OK not to. I do give the young girl who washes my hair a couple of pounds or so as I'm sure she earns peanuts as an apprentice.

Yetanotherrandomman Sun 20-Oct-13 06:43:34

Tipping is a vile custom. It enables employers to evade tax and hold down wages.

sweetsoulsister Sun 20-Oct-13 07:44:24

FYI - most restaurants that automatically charge a 12.5% gratuity on your bill use that money to pay the staff their wages, it is NOT a tip that goes directly to your server. I learnt this from personal experience as a waitress. Deceitful practice in my opinion.

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:01:23

shandy, when you say "Leaving the smallish change in bars"
if your drinks are £4.86 would you hand over a fiver and tell them to keep the change? I'd be too embarrassed. Just wondering if that is the sort of thing...I'm another who finds the whole tipping thing very confusing!

sleepywombat Sun 20-Oct-13 08:11:24

I would definitely do that SPB (keep the change) & often do.

I wouldn't tip my hairdresser though, I can barely afford the price she charges!

Re nurses - I bought a box of chocolates for the midwives after having dc1 (was in hospital 3 nights), I didn't for dc2 because was only in 1 night & the midwife who dealt with me was not particularly warm. Likewise, I am a teacher, and sometimes get presents at the end of the year, which is lovely.

I would always tip service that I thought was extra good. It annoys me when they put a service charge onto the bill at restaurants & the service has been terrible. I once refused to pay it.

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:12:50

but then do they not say "thank you" and you cringe because it's 16p (or whatever)

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:13:17

14p grin
I can add up, just couldn't remember what I'd put

sleepywombat Sun 20-Oct-13 08:18:00

No they don't usually cringe (unless behind my back!), its just easier than making them count out the pennies/change. I guess its not phrased as a tip as such.

When I worked in a bar (in my younger, attractive days), I was often given extra money by customers to buy myself a drink. Our boss said that in that case, we could take a pound out of their change (because we weren't allowed to drink on the job), but it, along with all other tips, were pooled & shared out between staff at end of night. Good for me, because there was one girl who was a lot prettier & got a lot more tips!

kali110 Sun 20-Oct-13 08:24:58

Allways tip my hairdresser.thats how they make a lot of their money. Not sure what i would do if it was the salon owner.
Some people hire chairs in salons too so dont make much without tips.

SPBisResisting Sun 20-Oct-13 08:39:43

But they presumably do have to count it out in exactly the same way else their till won't balance

marriedinwhiteisback Sun 20-Oct-13 09:00:11

I tip because my parents and grandparents tipped and it was what I was taught to do because it was right and proper to do it. I don't think it's a new thing at all. The only areas from which I persistently receive poor service are hospitals/nursing staff. That is from where I have witnessed more rudeness, curtness, basic discourtesy and lack of respect than from anywhere else at all. I am convinced it is because it is free at the point of delivery and there is no vested interest in providing a good service because because one's pay is dependent upon it.

Dancergirl Sun 20-Oct-13 09:07:42

Sorry if this sounds mean but I never tip my hairdresser or the shampoo girl. I know they don't get paid much but I like the price to be the price. I would prefer them to put up the price for everything by a pound or two to include the tip.

I also hate faffing around looking for the right coins and if you don't have change then what? So I just don't bother.

If nobody tipped there would be pressure to increase their wages.

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 20-Oct-13 09:22:51

I agree, Dancergirl.

I tip taxi drivers as in "keep the change", and do similar in bars where there are waiting staff who bring you the bill on a little saucer (IYKWIM). I leave a cash tip for waiters, unless the bill has already had a gratuity added. Twice I have removed the gratuity from the bill and left cash instead because of how awful the meal was despite our lovely waitress.

The only time I have tipped at a salon is the person who did my hair, nails and makeup on my wedding day, because it really was over and above the normal service.

I never see our bin men or postmen, so why would I tip them at Xmas? (Especially as they are both pretty poor)

But generally I hate tipping - I don't know how much to tip, when to tip, whether to be discreet or open about handing over the cash... And I prefer to know up front how much a service is going to cost me, without additional costs on top.

BooCanary Sun 20-Oct-13 09:32:47

Well I had my hair cut yesterday, and didn't tip!
I kept an eye out for what others were doing and did notice a few people tipping both hairdresser and 'hair washer'. I think maybe I should tip the hairwashing girl next time, if I can get over my tip etiquette worry, as she is only about 18 and probably gets paid peanuts. That being said, she did accidentally pull my hair as few times and almost scalded me!!!!

mummydarkling Sun 20-Oct-13 10:01:35

I tip the postie, bin men, taxi driver, waiters, manicurist, and hairdresser. Some just at Christmas with chocolates and a note of appreciation and some on an as you go basis with a cheery thank-you. I used to send gifts to teachers but my teenagers tell me it is too embarrassing now.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 10:24:21

Alisvolatpropiis

Tipping has been quite a part of British culture - otherwise posters wouldn't be commenting on how it must be an older generation thing.

Erm, my comparison was with the USA - you really think we're on a par? Egypt is another example, where you even have to tip a toilet attendant to be handed a roll of toilet paper; I've never seen that in the UK.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 10:31:28

pigsDOfly

Not sure why the tip should be shared WMittens. If the person receiving the all the tips is getting them because he or she has gone out of their way to give good service then the tips belong to them.

Why should someone who potentially doesn't give a damn about the customer end up receiving the same tip.

You missed the point that a discretionary tip is not always given as recognition of good service; some customers tip generously, some customers tip less so, some don't tip at all. Some posters have already said they don't tip (although that may be in context of hairdressers).

What if the person goes out of their way to provide an excellent service, but their covers are people who never tip whatever the level of service they receive? And the person who doesn't give a shit about giving a good service gets customers who automatically tip 20%? Is either situation fair?

I agree with Yetanotherrandomman that prices should be charged that allow decent wages to be paid to service staff.

Twooter Sun 20-Oct-13 10:49:31

My hairdresser is one of my close friends. I know they are reasonably well off, so feel awkward tipping as it seems a bit patronising, but on the other hand it feels tight not to. Not sure what the right thing to do in this situation is.

samu2 Sun 20-Oct-13 11:37:11

I always tip mine. She is great with my hair, she is worth her weight in gold.

I also tip taxi drivers, bar staff, restaurants and delivery drivers at Xmas.

x2boys Sun 20-Oct-13 11:41:46

IM a nurse too la guardia we get lots of chocolates not all that keen on chocolates but its the thought that counts would prefer to be tipped with crisps am a big crisp fan!

MalcolmTuckersMistress Sun 20-Oct-13 11:46:19

Never tip hairdressers. In fact I didn't realise until a few years ago people did!

x2boys Sun 20-Oct-13 11:47:41

I don't think its being tight not to tip you are already paying for a service I went to America many years ago and thought there tipping system was ridiculous for example you had to tip a doller everytime you bought a drink otherwise the barman would nt serve you again!

HappyMummyOfOne Sun 20-Oct-13 11:49:07

Products are very cheap wholesale and hairdressers make a nice amount per customer so at a salon I dont tip, just pay the price they charge like in a shop. I tend to prefer a mobile hairdresser as more convenient and do tip my current one as she charges so little and its a huge saving compared to going to the local hairdressers.

I dont think its mean not to tip, you are already paying the price of the service.

I tend to show appreciation in gifts so do buy school staff as they have a huge influenence in DS's daily life and hospital staff when my sister needed care etc.

unlucky83 Sun 20-Oct-13 12:48:39

I don't tip my hairdresser. I don't tip anyone who has trained to do their job.

I do tip taxis and waiting staff. shock
Taxi drivers (in London) have to do the Knowledge and some waiters are trained (you could get a C&G in Food and beverage service -probably a NVQ now ) ...not all are student plate carriers...

In big chains tips (especially ones on cards) are often used to top salaries up to minimum wage...and if you pay by card the business pays a charge for the use of the service (so (depending on the contract) a debit card costs 20-30p per transaction and a credit card a % of the total -usually 2-3%...)
I never leave tips on a card - hopefully cash will go straight to the staff...but not necessarily.
The rules on tax etc are complicated -if they get cash in their hand the waiter is responsible for declaring it and paying tax on it.
If is pooled and distributed the business is responsible for the tax (and maybe NI!)
When my DP had a restaurant we took the card tips out of the cash and shared it out at the end of the night - making sure the wash ups and junior chefs got a share too...(the business were subsidising the card payments) I got conflicting advice from HMRC how to deal with them ...whether we were liable for paying tax/NI on them or not...
On big parties we added 12% optional service - and that did go straight to the staff...
Years ago I was Head Chef of a posh, expensive restaurant - (foolishly) had a bit of a thing with one of the waiters - was gutted to find out that when it was busy he was earning more than I did! -they did declare it/pay tax - but not NI - he was clearing £300+ per week in tips on top of his wages ...
(Before anyone thinks - so what he was earning more? - he worked less hours, had more or less zero responsibility -whereas I was responsible for a brigade of 10, menu planning, ordering, budgets and eg when we gave two people food poisoning I could have been personally liable for a £20K + fine (we were found not to be at fault - caused by a contaminated duck liver - in fact we came out of it fantastically well - if we had not done everything more than absolutely right we could have easily poisoned 30+ with just the livers - any cross contamination it could have been 100s)

BTW I never tipped hairdressers -didn't know you did until I worked in a posh hairdressers (cafe) - but I cut my own hair - I do tip the hairdresser who does my DDs hair - not only for putting up with DD1s wriggling when younger - but they both (esp DD1) have really thick curly hair -I think they more than earn the £7-10 for a dry cut ...

Nanny0gg Sun 20-Oct-13 13:41:37

Products are very cheap wholesale and hairdressers make a nice amount per customer

Cheap products are very cheap wholesale. And bear in mind, that they have to cater for every possible hair colour, so they carry stock that they may rarely or never use.
And it depends on your definition of 'nice amount'.
I will concur that if they're standing cutting all day, they can get through lots of people and they're not using much in the way of product, so it can be relatively lucrative. If they're colouring it's an entirely different matter.

Wealthy hairdressers tend to be salon owners, not stylists.

KCumberSandwich Sun 20-Oct-13 13:49:23

i very rarely tip anyone. i go out of my way in my shop job to help many people and am satisfied with a thankyou- i've never had a tip. if a hairdresser does a good job of my hair i will tell her gow grateful i am and that she's done a lovely job, i am polite and thankful to waiting staff and taxi drivers and if i feel they have gone above and beyond i will make sure their employer knows how good they have been etc but i don't tip.

Crowler Sun 20-Oct-13 17:05:55

I tip most any service, but I'm American so perhaps it's in my blood. I always tip for hair. Definitely. Unless it's the owner, in which case it's considered rude.

I tip the Ocado man, cab drivers, babysitters (I round up), etc.

WMittens Sun 20-Oct-13 18:39:00

I tip most any service, but I'm American

As evidenced by missing the 'al' off 'almost'.

Lillielangtry Sun 20-Oct-13 22:24:22

I think it's possible they we're influenced by US culture - with regard to tipping and so many other things!

However, it's useful to remember that tipping in America is completely accepted and part of the culture - diners factor in 20%+ of the bill before they even leave their apartment.

In the UK, all employees are subject to a national minimum wage. Employers are not allowed to factor in projected tips to make up that wage.

It's quite different in the US. Some states enforce a minimum wage but others don't. In those that don't, some wait staff earn just $1/ hour and rely on tips to boost their income to a decent level. Even in those states that have a minimum wage, it's often far lower than ours.

unlucky83 Mon 21-Oct-13 13:34:31

I stand corrected - tips are now not used to make up minimum wage - was banned in Oct 2009 - up to then it was common practice (my partner sold his restaurant in 2008 - so not up on the rules anymore...)

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