To wonder how people feed babies this revolting stuff day in day out

(1003 Posts)
moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 18:51:55

Had to give a mindee a jar of food today ( mum particularly wanted her to have it).
it smelt rank and I couldn't bring myself to try it.
Little one wolfed it down though so obviously used to the taste and it wasn't "off".
AIBU to think that except in emergencies babies should be fed food you would be happy to eat yourself ( or is Heinz food particularly revolting?)

MorrisZapp Thu 17-Oct-13 18:52:53

The baby obviously didn't think it was rank.

AmberLeaf Thu 17-Oct-13 18:54:38

Yep jarred food tastes rank, but TBH so did my home made offerings! lack of salt and seasoning does not make for a tasty meal IMO.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 18:54:43

No. poor bugger was obviously used to it. It made me wonder how you then get them to eat "proper grown up food" if they've had a year or so with that stuff.

BramshawHill Thu 17-Oct-13 18:55:26

You're used to food being a certain way, the baby isn't. I don't eat quiche because I think the texture is bloody rank but I wouldn't stop anyone else having it.

Aeroaddict Thu 17-Oct-13 18:56:56

I always thought the Heinz jars were not great. DS happily ate other brands of baby food jars though, and since has gone on to happily eat pretty much anything. If the Mum is happy, and the baby is happy and well, then what is the prolblem exactly?

BerstieSpotts Thu 17-Oct-13 18:57:24

Who feeds their baby jars for a year?! Surely most people might do them for a couple of months or so until they can handle chunky mashed food?

Moxiegirl Thu 17-Oct-13 18:58:34

I preferred the hipp ones. especially the puddings

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 18:59:57

I just don't think it sets a person up to enjoy proper home cooked food. It makes them used to a weird processed taste and texture which might turn them off real food and lead to 70 odd years of eating processed shite . Not that there's anything wrong with the odd bit of crap but a lot of people seem to live off it, and I wondered if it's 'cos they had this stuff in their formative years.

needaholidaynow Thu 17-Oct-13 19:00:22

I only give DS2 food from jars like I did with DS1.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:00:35

Who feeds their baby jars for a year this jar said from 10 months.

Madlizzy Thu 17-Oct-13 19:01:17

My lot had a mixture of jars, powdered food and home made. They liked all equally and all eat well now.

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 19:01:20

I'm glad you're not my child minder.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:01:29

Would you eat them yourself needaholiday.
If not, why do they not just have what you have ?

2tiredtocare Thu 17-Oct-13 19:01:49

The mums found a real gem in you!

TheMoonInJune Thu 17-Oct-13 19:02:05

Gosh, I'd love to know someone I was paying to look after my baby was curling their nose up at how I chose to parent and plastering it on the Internet!

Spaulding Thu 17-Oct-13 19:02:37

YABU. DS was weaned using jar food, because at the time I couldn't boil water nevermind actually cook. He enjoyed them and once he reached 10 months and was ready for proper food, I taught myself to cook. He's 3 in Feb, I now love cooking and he eats absolutely everything and a better variety of food than I've ever eaten. So him being fed with jar food didn't cause any problems when he started eating "proper grown up" food.

bigkidsdidit Thu 17-Oct-13 19:02:44

But they all do get used to normal food, don't they, they don't eat jars for years and years.

2tiredtocare Thu 17-Oct-13 19:03:28

You could make some lovely homemade food and really shame her, bet it'd make your day

BerstieSpotts Thu 17-Oct-13 19:03:28

Well 10 months isn't even a year old and you don't start feeding them solids until halfway through that year anyway!

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:03:43

Right, 'cos nobody on here ever has an opinion on other people, do they.
I think if you read properly I fed the baby the stuff the parent wanted me, the baby was happy, mum was happy, I found the stench disgusting. Hardly makes me a bad childcarer now, does it?

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:04:12

I am blush to admit that when i was silly new mum to ds1 i thought jars were just what you fed babies and didnt even consider that i could feed him what i ate. I think my age was a factor though- i was a teen mum and none of my friends were parents so i rarely spent time with any parents to be told differently. I remember my gran asking me once "do you just give him the run of the house" and said yes thinking she meant did i let him go in all the rooms rather than did i give him the food i ate. You'll all be glad to know that i discovered MN whilst pg with ds2 and was soon educated on how to feed a baby. grin

bigkidsdidit Thu 17-Oct-13 19:04:32

I do cook for my dc, and buy one or two pouches a month for the change bag just in case. But they don't eat what I eat during the week as a) I don't want to eat at 5pm and b) it is not appropriate to give them gin and crisps

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice Thu 17-Oct-13 19:05:28

Does the baby eat those jars for every meal?

2tiredtocare Thu 17-Oct-13 19:05:54

You are over egging the pudding

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:06:12

But would any of you really like to eat the stuff?
My point is that I like to feed people stuff I would enjoy myself. I take pleasure in providing tasty food and find it odd you would feed someone something you wouldn't eat yourself. I don't believe anyone could find them tasty ( and that includes babies)

TheMoonInJune Thu 17-Oct-13 19:06:18

I don't think it makes you a bad childcarer moogy, I didn't say that.

However, since you've put your real name and area elsewhere on this site I do think it's really unfair to make your opinion quite so - pronounced? Honestly I wouldn't be happy about it, sorry.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice Thu 17-Oct-13 19:07:01

You'rebeingadick. I've never heard that run of the house saying before and would never have guessed that it related to food.

2tiredtocare Thu 17-Oct-13 19:07:10

You are not a baby I presume, all salt free food tastes like crap to most adults

everlong Thu 17-Oct-13 19:07:49

Are you trying to wind people up?

Why are you so fecking judgey?

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:08:13

No, it was a one off. ( which is odd as I always provide food but mum wanted her to have this. said she didn't want it to go to waste and just turned up with it)

BerstieSpotts Thu 17-Oct-13 19:08:22

Yes I would think "run of the house" meant being allowed into every room - doesn't it?

cherrytomato40 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:08:37

And you sound like a lovely non judgemental childminder hmm

I gave our childminder alphabetti spaghetti for my DD's lunch today. When you are a working parent cooking lovingly prepared food for the childminder to reheat is easier said than done!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 17-Oct-13 19:08:37

It made me wonder how you then get them to eat "proper grown up food" if they've had a year or so with that stuff. hmm Have you ever seen an adult eating only jars, plenty of us have only been fed on baby jars, what do you think we are eating now. Plus, tastes evolve with age!

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:04

justthis i think it might be an irish saying. I hadnt heard it before she said it and my mum fell about laughing at my response and the. Explained what it meant.

2tiredtocare Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:08

Maybe she doesn't like your food

bigkidsdidit Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:09

Yep - j made a salt free loaf of bread the other day in preparation for weaning ds2 and it was DISGUSTING

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:24

Wow - your client will be soooo pleased to be judged by you! maybe its just easier sometimes.

needaholidaynow Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:30

*Would you eat them yourself needaholiday.
If not, why do they not just have what you have ?*

I very rarely make family meals. Especially now I've gone bak to work.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:34

Why would it affect them eating normal food then if its a one off?

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:38

Is it really an extreme opinion to say the jar of baby food smelt rank and I couldn't bring myself to try it, therefore making me wonder why people give it to other people?

Mintyy Thu 17-Oct-13 19:09:52


Some meals that dh and I enjoyed when our babies were young include:

chilli con carne, curry, bacon and egg, fish and chips from the chippy, thai fish cakes, sushi, salad, grilled lamb chops, grilled tuna steaks, grilled ribeye steak, pasta, wraps with fancy fillings.

Are you telling me I could have liquidised any of those and served them to my baby?

And even if I were eating something properly mashable, I would have had to make a separate version without salt/soy/seasoning/spices, in order to make them safe for baby to eat (which of course I did sometimes, but not always).

Jars fill a gap where mushed up adult food is not available or suitable.

My children eat everything now. The only thing my ds will not entertain is mashed potato, funnily enough.

bsc Thu 17-Oct-13 19:10:23

Lots of MN babies have never had even a spoonful of processed commercial baby food pass their lips, but they still have very restricted diets and other related food issues.

As a CM do you offer nutricious warm home-cooked meals to your mindees as standard? <tilts head>

DaddyPigsMistress Thu 17-Oct-13 19:11:09

* I like to feed people stuff I would enjoy myself.*

I like salt and vinegar crisps in a sandwich with salad cream on one slice of bread and marmite on the other. I wouldnt feed that to anyone else
the baby ate it and liked it so meh

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:11:12

Why would it affect them eating normal food then if its a one off? I don't think it would, hence why I said wrt people doing it all the time ( the clue is in the title)

tabulahrasa Thu 17-Oct-13 19:11:14

DS had a fair amount of jars - he's 17, eats anything, likes to cook and tonight quite happily had lentil Bolognaise on whole meal spaghetti, so, um, no, it doesn't set them up for 70 years of eating rubbish hmm

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:11:44

Most of the jars i used tasted rank tbh- some were yummy but most were awful. Ds liked them though.

needaholidaynow Thu 17-Oct-13 19:11:52

Jars are convenient, just like formula milk (I made the "awful" decision not to breast feed because it was convenient for me)

Xiaoxiong Thu 17-Oct-13 19:11:59

DS had a mix of lovingly home made baby food, bits of our food, and pouches/jars. However DH insisted on tasting everything first and wouldn't feed DS anything he wouldn't eat himself. I was at work full time and he was the SAHP so I left it up to him to decide.

He said Heinz and most Cow & Gate jars were horrible and tasted chemically but DH and DS are (both!!) still partial to the Ella's kitchen baby brekkie, cheesy bean pie and bean feast pouches, and the Plum bread and butter pud pouch!

howrudeforme Thu 17-Oct-13 19:12:17

Maybe - but ds never had a jar of baby food. Didn't stop him becoming hugely fussy from about 18 months onwards. Still is.

We are a major good eating food family 'cept ds aint interested. Well he does love home cooked food but it's only about 10 food stuffs (healthy enough stuff) but it's a real bloody pain to try and make it different and interesting. He's 7 now.

gobbynorthernbird Thu 17-Oct-13 19:12:18

I cooked for my baby (was still gross, though), but there were times when she had to have food from a jar. Maybe the parents are trying to get the baby used to it. I wish I had.

Spaulding Thu 17-Oct-13 19:13:01

Is it really an extreme opinion to say the jar of baby food smelt rank and I couldn't bring myself to try it, therefore making me wonder why people give it to other people?

You also referred to the child as a "poor bugger" because he was "obviously used to it". Nice and judgemental.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:13:15

As a CM do you offer nutricious warm home-cooked meals to your mindees as standard? <tilts head>
Yes. Every day without fail. They have the same cooked from scratch, nutritious food that I feed my own family. We usually all eat together.

Youhaventseenme Thu 17-Oct-13 19:13:31

You are the hired help, you are there to do what is asked of you. You are not paid for your opinions.

You are being paid to do a job, get on with it.

2tiredtocare Thu 17-Oct-13 19:14:03

Go polish your halo

NotYoMomma Thu 17-Oct-13 19:14:03

we did a lot of home made stuff but my dd1 went batshit crazy for ellas kitchen minted pea and lamb pouches.

I was never without one!

she eats anything now and loves all fruit and veg, particularly peas!!

FixItUpChappie Thu 17-Oct-13 19:14:06

I don't think YAB entirely U but most people wont have the guts to say so OP because you are going to get FLAMED!!

(runs off to find a hat).

TheMoonInJune Thu 17-Oct-13 19:14:29

To be honest I'd rather my child went somewhere she wasn't judged!

Honestly moogy it puts me off using a c/m, it really does.

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:14:42

What youhaven't seen me said - although i was too polite to say so smile

My ds1was a fussy bugger who would only eat cow and gate cauliflower cheese from weaning (which was 4 months in those days) til he was nearly 18months . I despaired. sad
Now as a nearly 16 year old he will eat anything bar tuna and peas. He eats me out of house and home . smile
Op you really sound lovely smile

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:15:02

chilli con carne, curry, bacon and egg, fish and chips from the chippy, thai fish cakes, sushi, salad, grilled lamb chops, grilled tuna steaks, grilled ribeye steak, pasta, wraps with fancy fillings.
Fish cakes, tuna, pasta, wraps. yes of course you can give these to babies ( as long as not a large amount of tuna)

PetiteRaleuse Thu 17-Oct-13 19:15:36

Hmm, this is goady. Trying to flush out the home feeders vs the jar feeders? Make mums who can't cook feel bad?

This reminds me of the 'I wouldn't give my baby that crap' on a ff vs bf thread re ff.

Fwiw DD1 got nothing but homemade stuff. DD2 wouldn't touch my lovely homemade food and insisted on jars the first few months. Both are good eaters now.

I am really glad you are not my childminder. You sound like a judgemental piece of work.


pigletmania Thu 17-Oct-13 19:16:01

Yabvvvvu and quite judgy. Obviously the baby likes it, tbh my home made mashed up offerings are no better. Te baby is used to having food in that way, your not obviously its rank. I can't stand blamange, that has the same texture, it's rank but some like it.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:16:08

You are the hired help
no I'm not. I'm self employed. I think you're confusing ,me with a nanny

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:16:48

Still not had anyone say they would eat the stuff themselves.

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:16:52

PErhaps you can't cook OP and your mindee prefers tinned food to your dinners?

oh and I think sushi is rank
Taste is a personal thing isn't it

TheMoonInJune Thu 17-Oct-13 19:18:02

Moogy, seriously, you need to get this pulled.

Your full name and location is on this site. Your mindee's parents could easily be reading this. How would you feel then?

If it was my child I would
a) feel like shit and
b) find alternate childcare.

SHarri13 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:18:16

My third son has a milk allergy and was so fussy about food. Jars saved us as the right ones were dairy free and he'd actually eat them when he refused all home cooking. They were a bloody saviour. For contrast my previous child was fully weaned via self feeding and finger foods. Sometimes we can't be perfect as life doesn't allow.

You are being incredibly unreasonable. And for the record, said child now eats home cooked food and loves it and I gaining weight and thriving,

Aeroaddict Thu 17-Oct-13 19:18:22

No I wouldn't eat the stuff myself. I wouldn't much fancy living on breast milk either, but that doesn't mean it is not good for babies, and they don't enjoy it!

wigglesrock Thu 17-Oct-13 19:18:26

I feed my kids lots of things I wouldn't touch - I won't eat cabbage or potatoes for love nor money, same with peas & macaroni cheese. I think all of the food I've mentioned tastes and smells foul, but my kids like it.
Just as an anecdote and we all know how much they're worth smile - one of my children would have had more jar/pouch type foods than the other two - she's the one at age 5 who has the widest and most varied tastes.

newmum001 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:18:35

Isn't there a baby food diet? Beyoncé did it. If it's good enough for Beyoncé then why not. My daughter had jars for a few months cause if anything chunky went near her mouth she projectile vomited and I was sick of cleaning sick up tbh. She started eating what we ate when she was 1 and now eats a very varied diet. I wouldn't eat a jar of baby food but I wouldn't eat an avocado, I wouldn't judge people who do though. Each to their own I say. Think about how she'd feel if she read this, I wouldn't want you looking after my children tbh!

maybe your food that is "nutritious and cooked from scratch" tastes shit?

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:18:58

You don't say what "the stuff" is - but i have tried most of the food i gave to my DD when she was young, it was ok, a bit bland maybe.

Im not confusing you with anyone other than a judgemental arse with a chip on your shoulder. HTH

pigletmania Thu 17-Oct-13 19:19:08

Nomi woudent because I don't like the texture, but I would not eat puréed home made food either. I guess you extend the same judging ss for microwave meals!

flippinada Thu 17-Oct-13 19:19:11

Of course no-one is going to come on and say they would eat a jar of baby food. We are adults.

Well, the majority anyway.

appletarts Thu 17-Oct-13 19:19:15

I know people who feed jars every meal from 5 months to 9 months. I wouldn't have done it longer than a day. I think it's sad people can't be bothered to cook proper food for their baby, if you can't be bothered when they're only 5 months old it doesn't bode well for the future. Lazy people feed their babies jars.

To be fair, Heinz jars taste awful. DD1 had one on the flight back from Spain once and wouldn't touch it - on the flight out she'd had a Plum one but at Madrid airport it was all there was. I tried it (like a PP's DH I do try them - because of that jar! Horrible)

BerstieSpotts Thu 17-Oct-13 19:19:45

You can give a baby all of those things except probably sushi and fish and chips. (Sushi because of uncooked fish, fish and chips because of salt)

But that's not the point anyway. Firstly they might not even eat it and secondly sometimes it's easier to give them something separate due to timing or whatever.

Youhaventseenme Thu 17-Oct-13 19:20:17

Self employed ?

You have still been hired by the parents who pay you to do a job, which makes you the hired help.

My cleaner, dog walker, ironing lady and gardener are all self employed but they are my hired help.

You are the hired help, so get over it.

looseleaf Thu 17-Oct-13 19:20:40

OP I'm amazed you getting a slating as you seem to mean well though I do think everyone does what they believe best or perhaps have other pressures which count too.
I feel the same though, I don't mind long life food when we're out and about if stuck but it's only ever been the jars I'd enjoy eating myself so an emergency fruit purée if caught out . Also i find homemade loads cheaper and not necessarily time consuming as fairly easily frozen in small portions.
I don't think it'll harm anyone though maybe fewer nutrients preserved; and maybe babies are keener to eat real food after blander stuff from a jar?

ll31 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:20:56

Yabu, just cos you don't like it, doesn't mean it's rank. Hope your poor mindees play what is suitable and wear what you think is suitable.....cos clearly if they dont they and their parents r making poor decisions .

oh here come the goady twats.
well done op didn't take long to attract them out of the woodwork

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:21:40

so we're all going to stop the judgeyness about feeding small babies greggs sausage rolls and fruit shoots now are we? Obviously if one form of processed crap is OK, then I'm going to defend to the hilt the next mum who is judged for giving her baby sausage rolls / chips/ coca cola

hettienne Thu 17-Oct-13 19:21:44

I loved Cow&Gate jars personally grin I would always finish off any DS left. I'd also eat mashed up home cooked leftovers too though.

PortoFiendo Thu 17-Oct-13 19:22:18

But baby food is for um BABIES, with no salt, no spice, no strong flavours. I wouldn't eat it no. I like a nice thai curry. You sound a bit goady if you ask me.

ll31 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:23:05

Heinz jars taste awful to some babies, people... Lesson for the day, people have differing tastes....

WestieMamma Thu 17-Oct-13 19:23:09

YABU, judgemental and, considering how many mums who use jars are likely to using this forum, rather nasty and goady.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:23:16

Thank you looseleaf
It really wasn't meant to be goady, I was genuinely amazed at how revolting it was

flippinada Thu 17-Oct-13 19:24:26

If OP is genuine (which I doubt) then she'll be self un-employed rather sharpish if her mindee's parents find out she's making snotty comments about their parenting choices on a public forum.

SHarri13 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:25:46

I've eaten bits when checking the temperature and the tomato based hipp ones were fine and certainly not revolting.

You sound like a lovely childminder hmm

flippinada Thu 17-Oct-13 19:26:56

Will you be "genuinely amazed" if you find yourself losing mindees as well?

TEErickOrTEEreat Thu 17-Oct-13 19:27:04

I fed my son dirt. Also not your place to comment.

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:27:09

Off topic but i cant help but confused every time i hear people mention food 'pouches'. It just seems like such an odd word in relation to food. I think of a pouch as being the thing a kangaroo has. It feels weird hearing someone say they gave their baby a food pouch.

Anyway- as you were- my ramblings are done for now grin

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:27:36

What is wrong with the occasional sausage roll an fruit shoot?

although i do often worry that the gregs ones seem a bit undercooked - i do rather like their steak slices though, yum.

The baby enjoyed it, so clearly doesn't share your taste!

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:27:43

You know what, there are so many posts saying CM's feed crap to their mindees;We have a reputation for serving up nuggets and chips etc.
I say how I give proper home cooked food every single day to my lo's and that I can't understand how people can feed rank food, and I get slated.
FWIW my parents love the fact I provide very very decent food day in and day out, It's one of my major selling points.
Obviously lots of you would be happier for me to slop something out of a jar,

ll31 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:28:03

Defend away, or alternatively consider what difference it'll make what they ate as babies once they were fed , and relax,. How did people in their 30s,40s etc survive? Perfectly well despite eating very differently to what's recommended now.


FrillyMilly Thu 17-Oct-13 19:29:26

They do smell quite horrible. However I weaned both of mine on home made food. I batch cooked a huge variety for them and even bought low salt stock cubes. They are both ridiculously fussy now. One won't eat any veg including potatoes and the other won't eat meat or any hot food except potato.

I've only ever fed my children homemade food, then again dh and I only eat homemade stuff, we grow all own veg, rear own meat, this is our lifestyle choice. I don't think this makes us any better or worse thsn any other person or family. I would however feel offended if our childminder turned her nose up at this choice and silently judged me.
People do what suits them, if it causes no one else harm, why not just leave them be.

bigkidsdidit Thu 17-Oct-13 19:30:28

But sausage rolls have trams fats and lots of salt, and coke has sugar and caffeine. They are not appropriate. Jars might not be that tasty but they are fine for babies

fairy1303 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:30:36

This is exactly the reason why I don't want to send DS to a CM.

you said yourself you'usually cook homemade food'

and this time, mum asked you to feed a jar so it didn't go to waste - so I'm assuming it is rare.

Your judgeypants must be giving you a wedgie.

PatoBanton Thu 17-Oct-13 19:31:29

'I just don't think it sets a person up to enjoy proper home cooked food.'

Seriously you think this has an impact? I think that's ridiculous.

I for one don't have time to MAKE proper home cooked food now I have got a baby.


LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:31:53

Obviously you are not getting slated because you feed fresh food, you are getting slated for your judgemental attitude.

Now tell me, seriously - would you like some salt and vinegar for your chip?

Milkhell Thu 17-Oct-13 19:31:56

Sometimes needs must

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:32:29

You know, why the fuck do I bother. You're right. Asda smart price cottage pie it is for tomorrow. I'll get myself down there and stock up.

PatoBanton Thu 17-Oct-13 19:33:11

Like you ever did, Pato

Well yeah but that's not the point

oh get over yourself and stop flouncing like a petulant toddler

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:34:07

Buy yourself some chill pills while you are there!

Jengnr Thu 17-Oct-13 19:34:07

You know what, I'm quite up my own bum about food and was INSISTENT my son wouldn't be eating jars if anything. I bought a tiny blender, i lovingly made the purees and guess what? He wouldn't fucking eat them!!!

I tried him on the jars and he WOLFED them down. I felt like a failure and a terrible mother but he went from strength to strength. I switched to BLW after a few weeks of it and he will eat anything now!

flippinada Thu 17-Oct-13 19:34:30

Look - if you are genuine you are being very unprofessional, not to mention stupid.

You've put identifiable details online, so that any one of your mindee's parents can find you and your criticising their parenting choices on a public forum.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:34:41

Sometimes needs must hence why I said except in an emergency

flippinada Thu 17-Oct-13 19:34:55

you're, not your.

Spirulina Thu 17-Oct-13 19:35:19

Op.... Shabby behaviour slagging off your clients on a website they are very likely to come across

Disgusting and unprofessional

PatoBanton Thu 17-Oct-13 19:35:29

We don't mind what you feed them. It's YOU wot minds what WE feed them. started the thread!

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:35:50

I don't think the parents would be that bothered. I told her it smelt rank and she agreed.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:36:51

I'm not slagging off the parents FFS. I'm saying Jars of baby food smell rank.
Jesus fucking Christ you've all got one against me tonight.

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:37:01

When I had surgery to remove a benign growth on my vocal cords I lived on baby food for a few weeks. The shock of lack of strong flavourings wore off and I started to like them so yes I have tasted and liked them.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice Thu 17-Oct-13 19:37:08

Are there really people who give their kids jars for every meal for a year?

Most people i know gave them occasionally for convenience.

Personally i thought they tasted and smelt disgusting! Doesn't mean they are full of crap though i suppose, just don't smell good.

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 19:37:32

Asda cottage pie is in no way comparable to a jar of baby food and you know it so pull your judgey pants out of your arse.

NotYoMomma Thu 17-Oct-13 19:37:45

someones been reading alphaparent and swallowing all the bs

no baby who ever ate a jar eats proper y'all

Wowserz129 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:37:49

I have to say you could be serving amazing food day in and day out but I would never consider using a childminder this judgemental and unprofessional. You are paid to mind a child, they pay you your wages and this is how judgmental you are.Time to self evaluate!

needasilverlining Thu 17-Oct-13 19:38:16

Aside from the whole question of jars (and yes, I think they're vile because I'm an ADULT and I like proper seasoned food - and yes, I used them sometimes with both my DC who seem quite comfortable with all sorts of food now)...

...if I found out my (lovely) childminder was sneering about the food I'd provided FOR MY OWN CHILD on Mumsnet, and had put her real name and area elsewhere on the site so I could be identified, I'd sack her.

Hope your employer's either less obsessed with MN than me, or more forgiving.

LEMisdisappointed Thu 17-Oct-13 19:38:24

why are you so bothered?

Trudyla Thu 17-Oct-13 19:39:04

I don't see the problem. Not sure about the UK as I'm living abroad, but over here those jars are all organic and good ingredients, mostly vegetables, no salt, sugar or other crap.

So if it doesn't taste good to you, maybe you are putting too much salt in your home cooked food?

Seriously, giving your baby organic vegetables from a jar, does not mean that it will only eat fast food in the future. How ridiculous.

I don't much care for the taste of water. Should I give my baby gin, cos it tastes so much better?

flippinada Thu 17-Oct-13 19:39:47

No, of course they wouldn't mind! WTF?

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:40:23

You dont sack a childminder because you arent her employer. She is self employed.

AuntyEntropy Thu 17-Oct-13 19:42:09

I did once write a very grumpy letter to Hipp Organic after my PFB totally refused to contemplate one of their casseroles, and when we tried it out of curiosity we found out why. OP, you are very very judgy, but I agree that some baby food jars are simply rank. Others are actually rather nice.

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:42:15

moogy you are so bad temepered jeez it was a jar of baby food it isn't poison in ye olden days babies were fed sloppy baby food sometimes from jars <shrug> my children were they have managed to learn how to chew and everything,

herladyship Thu 17-Oct-13 19:42:48

according to MN

If you only feed others what you would eat youself (i.e. vegetarian vegan, alcohol free, etc) you are selfish & a poor host

BUT now I find also

If you feed others something you would not eat (i.e. baby food in a jar) that is also wrong

it's bloody hard to get things right OP! confused

TheMoonInJune Thu 17-Oct-13 19:43:39

So why not SAY that moogy? 'AIBU to think baby food smells rank?' is TOTALLY different to "why would you give it to your kids ... poor bugger ... obviously used to the taste" - I think it's that people are objecting to, it would upset me if I was your client.

VinegarDrinker Thu 17-Oct-13 19:45:47

I can't say I'm a fan of jars but I think the "long term effects" stuff is BS. When my brother was weaned it was all powdered stuff that you reconstituted with water, who knows how many E numbers & preservatives. He is now 21 and an awesome, adventurous and inventive cook.

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:46:13

you dint say it smelled rank you said it doesnt set up people to enjoy good food so you were not judging smell heinz food you were judging the mum for giving a jar of food

TEErickOrTEEreat Thu 17-Oct-13 19:46:26

Well that was the ultimate drip feed.

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:47:06

my d had them vinegar it was how you weaned them I am unsure of what long term effects are ?

Retroformica Thu 17-Oct-13 19:47:23

We gave ours what we ate ourselves but then our diets good. Some adults eat crap - processed foods and lots of white flour/sugar/fat. A jar is probably better then that crap.

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:47:57

Well that was the ultimate drip feed.
it wastee

FreakinRexManningDay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:48:06

If I was the mindees mum I would take my child elsewhere to a place where my choices for my child were not plastered all over the internet.

And I would let everyone know the type of judgemental person you are. It is very easy to work out who this child is by the details you have posted to people in your area. Think about that,do you not have a confidentiality agreement with your charges parent/s? Every child minder I had did,omitting discussing my child if they thought there was neglect or abuse with the relevant authorities as all child related workers are obligated to.

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:48:12

Ooh i remember those powdered soupish type things. Ds had those too. Do they still make them?

My DC3 is a PITA re: food.
DD liked the mushed up homemade stuff but hated BLW/finger foods. DS1 ate anything that was in his vicinity.
DS2 is different entirely. I've given him homemade mush, finger foods, let him spoon feed himself, given him what we have and he turns his nose up at it all.
It wasn't until I got a free jar of Hipp Organic jar food when I visited an Asda cafe that I discovered he would actually eat food.
I am very relaxed about feeding my DC but we are very 'home cooked' so this was rather a surprise.
Don't be a judgy pants.

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 19:49:20

not sure think farley used to make them

WowserBowser Thu 17-Oct-13 19:49:42

I wouldn't eat cat food, that doesn't mean i don't feed it to my cat.

No, im just being silly. I don't have a cat.

usualsuspect Thu 17-Oct-13 19:50:12

Get over yourself.

Mintyy Thu 17-Oct-13 19:50:26

Point is moogy, it obviously didn't smell rank to the child who was eating it. So why the bother?

YoureBeingADick Thu 17-Oct-13 19:50:29

grin Wowser

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 19:51:17


I have committed MN sin and haven't read every post. Not sure why I want to post but hey ho.

My DD was a very reluctant eater. Breast, bottle or solids. Hence by the time she got to 9 months and she was about to go to a CM I was frantic and obsessive. I made all my own stuff initially and it would go in the bin. Every single time. Having been given a hard time from the HV I resorted to EK and Plum pouches. It is no exaggeration to say that I cried the first time she ate even half of one. She obviously enjoyed it and I no longer cared.

Anyway, this went on and she would only eat if she could suck it straight from the pouch. I felt guilty and judged when we went out and was worried about how to move on.

So. Cutting to the chase, the CM was incredible. Truly amazing. She fed DD whatever I sent in but within one single week she had moved her onto a big solid lunch and dropping two bottles. So in one week my DD went from almost no solids and 5 bottles a day (within 12 hours) to 3 meals and 3 bottles a day.

Basically, my CM heard all my anxieties and fears and just worked with them. She suggested things and offered new foods when I played them (DD has intolerances and allergies)

Sorry. I don't know if my point is clear at all.

My CM was a rock and massively helpful when I was struggling with a major aspect of parenting. If I thought for a minute that she was having a go or judging me behind my back I would be devastated.

I don't think that was OP's intention but I just kind of wanted to give a point of view of a parent who handed in horrid mush.

WowserBowser Thu 17-Oct-13 19:51:33

Or what usual said.

It wasn't a jar of dog turd was it? If so, YANBU

moustachio Thu 17-Oct-13 19:52:54

I learnt a long time ago, never admit you feed your child healthily one mumsnet. For some reason people go fucking mental. Even if you suggest that it's okay on occasion but not all the time, you will be flamed. So bizaare.

Anyway, I 100% agree with you. I used to feed my DS them on the odd occasion if I was knackered or what we were having wasn't suitable takeaway or mcdonalds and there was nothing in the freezer. Several of my friends have solely weaned their babies on jars. Lots of people do it, surel y you've seen someone in asda buying about 50 at a time? I see it all the time. THat's not for occasional use, that child is clearly being mainly weaned on jars!

For some reason the heinz ones are particuarly vivd orange and revolting. The cow and gate ones were gross too. I think the oganix were the best as they did things like curry, there was zero veggie options in the other brands.

In terms of weaning in general i'm pretty anti a lot of things. Annabelle Karmel selling out and bringing out a baby food range is a joke for a start. Her recipies wouldn't help a child on their path to eating well either. I was feeding my DS avacado and banana and all kinds of random things. In reality that's not what I cook day to day. I also think it's stupid how things get blended together. My DS used to have plates of puree, but laid out on the plate how a dinner was, so seperate purees if that makes sense. Who would want the flavours of their roast dinner all together? It's so weird that's the standard way of doing it!

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:55:08

I said I wondered if it set them up to only enjoy processed food if they had this every day. Which this baby doesn't/ I thought I was quite clear.
Anyway, I'm off now to prepare some pot noodles ready for tomorrow's toddlers to enjoy. God forbid I'd have an opinion on what to feed small children considering that's a major part of my business.

moustachio Thu 17-Oct-13 19:55:20

passmethecrisps I hope my above post doesn't offend you. I didn't mention that I had a friend who was in the same situation as you. She tried a jar dessert with her DS and he ate for the first time ever without spitting it out! It helped him massively because it was something he liked! But... I do have several friends who mainly jar weaned and only one was because he was a bad eater. The rest it was just seen as the done thing or it was easier.

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Thu 17-Oct-13 19:55:45

My MIL used to use her Boots points to buy DS jars, he loved them, a welcome relief from my pureed turnip thlwink

I loved the packets of breakfast foods too.

moogy1a Thu 17-Oct-13 19:56:45

Thanks moustachio I think I'll deffo leave at this point. I fail to understand the flaming I' getting. I genuinely thought providing decent food was a good thing to do. But hey ho...

happyyonisleepyyoni Thu 17-Oct-13 19:57:51

Glad the OP is not my childminder ...

its not your food as has been pointed out several timed but hey you know that....

pigletmania Thu 17-Oct-13 19:58:56

Well for what it's worth my mums 84 year old cousin gives her Son who has severe MS and eats herself Waitrose microwave meals because she does not have te energy to cook after looking after her son. I occasionally eat myself microwave meals, it's all good I say

NotYoMomma Thu 17-Oct-13 19:59:22

but how do you even know that the parent doesnt provide decent frest food 90% of the time?

you seem to have jumped from being asked to feed one pouch to day in/ day out/ child will
mever eat normally

its a bit sad really, and judgey, and made up

usualsuspect Thu 17-Oct-13 19:59:40

That's bollocks,moustache.

You get flamed for slagging off other people's choices.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:00:31

Not at all moustachio but thank you for your concern.

No, DD is now a massive fan of basically any food and 99% of what she eats now is fresh and made by me. CM now refers to her as 'the best fed baby in town'.

I am still fairly hyper about DD's diet and I wouldn't want her eating jar food all the time. The difference now is that I feel I have a choice. Annoyingly, DD pretty much turns her nose up now unless I have slaved over it grin

I think my point was that OP could possibly be of real assistance to her minee's parents if there is an issue.

Chippednailvarnish Thu 17-Oct-13 20:00:38

I agree with you OP.

Here's part of the reason why...

Varya Thu 17-Oct-13 20:00:44

My DDinL cooks yuk from the Annabelle Karmel book and it looks awful but the baby loves it. Wonder how we managed without all these books on every aspect of babycare!

somewheresomehow Thu 17-Oct-13 20:01:37

hope your judgy pants dont cut you in half

sebsmummy1 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:02:21

Personally I won't feed my son food from jars, however when I nannied other peoples children in my early twenties I fed them whatever I was instructed to feed them without judgement.

You are not the parent here, you are being paid to follow the mothers wishes and care for her child. So I think YABU I'm afraid.

gordyslovesheep Thu 17-Oct-13 20:02:24

if you where my child minder, and I read this, I certainly would no longer be a major part of your business - and neither would my 3 kids

You have a right to an opinion but not to judge your mindees parents on a public internet forum like a gossipy twat

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 20:02:29

It's not about you providing good food, it's your sneery attitude which is getting people's backs up.

And no you can't be 'sacked' as your are self employed but the parents can give you notice and the result is the same so let's not split hairs.

WestieMamma Thu 17-Oct-13 20:04:22

I'm currently weaning my son. I am exhausted, in constant pain, disabled, have no family or friends around to support me (other than my husband), am suffering terribly from post-natal depression and am not getting the home help from social services which the Court of Appeal have ordered them to provide. I have be using jars of baby food. Ideally I would like to provide lovely home-cooked food for him but despite my best efforts, I can't. This thread makes me want to cry. sad

mrscog Thu 17-Oct-13 20:04:52

Op Yanbu to think that baby food is gross and that you should only serve food you would be willing to eat to a child but yabu to be so openly critical of one of your customers. You could have written a similar thread without mentioning them.

sebsmummy1 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:04:52

I bloody love some of the recipes from the Annabel Karmel book. We eat the fish pie and aubergine bolognese recipes ourselves. Aubergine blitzed up gives the most amazing creamy texture.

notanyanymore Thu 17-Oct-13 20:05:08

i bloomin love heinz baby food! especially the creamed porridge and egg custard, yum!

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:06:17

sad westie please don't let it get you down.

I can't at all speak for the OP but I am sure that the intention has been misunderstood.

My mantra has become "everyone fed, nobody dead"

Retroformica Thu 17-Oct-13 20:06:43

Mintyy of course you could have cooked all those dishes for your kids and just added the salt/chilli after serving the baby. There's really no problem with adding herbs and seasoning to babies food.

I don't think jars have to lead to a rubbish restricted diet. I expect that some of the jar feeding parents do go on to feed their kids lots of other quick and easy processed foods (fish fingers, sausages, pizza, hoops, chips, sausage rolls, crisps etc). The kids then have a limited pallet and struggle with proper foods and flavours.

usualsuspect Thu 17-Oct-13 20:07:13

Do Heinz still make the chocolate pudding?

That was bloody lovely.

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 20:07:30

Mrs cog-so you'd happily have formula and breast milk then?

SplitHeadGirl Thu 17-Oct-13 20:07:50

My two eldest were weaned on jars and they are the healthiest, happiest babies. My eldest girl is three now and has NEVER been sick...not a cold, not even a sniffle, nothing, and people comment on her fantastic skin. My son is a sturdy, strong little thing.

Honestly, people FUSS so much, especially over other people's children.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:07:58

Oh oh! And the plum sweet beef curry is genuinely, genuinely delicious. Our sainsbury's have done a shelf overhaul so were selling it for 33p a pot. It is really tasty!

And yes, they do still sell the powdered stuff which has to be reconstituted.

mmmm heinz chocolate pudding now there's a blast from the pasta smile

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 20:08:42

Ds used to love spoon for you, one for mummy...wink

past smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:10:29

For weeks and weeks every single thing my DD ate initially was on an organix rice cake! Thank heavens for organix!

I was going to open a thread on weaning actually.

VinegarDrinker Thu 17-Oct-13 20:10:54

mrsjay I am pretty sure there are no long term effects from eating those powdery things, else an entries generation would have them. OP seems to think that "processed" baby food means you will eat junk for the rest of your life.

I don't know if it was Farley's or another brand. I remember him being hooked on the "cauliflower cheese" powder and the "Sunshine Orange" powder!

Mintyy Thu 17-Oct-13 20:11:10

No, I could not have added the chilli to thai fish cakes or chilli con carne after feeding the baby. Those ingredients need to be cooked in, not added after.

VinegarDrinker Thu 17-Oct-13 20:11:24


SplitHeadGirl Thu 17-Oct-13 20:11:44

Westle, don't let this upset you. My mum said that, out of all her grandchildren, mine thrived the most and she said 'maybe Split did better with the jars, after all'!!! She was judgy to start with too, but as long as the children are fed and happy, then who cares what other people think?? You really sound like a wonderful mother!!!

Retroformica Thu 17-Oct-13 20:13:38

Westie mama, the PND will me, its just a matter of time. Have you thought about asking for CBT? Are you getting help? The bottom line is that you are feeding your baby and so you are looking after its needs. You can work on his diet more when you feel stronger.

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 20:14:41

Oh yes, ds liked cauliflower cheese and sunshine stuff toogrin

He eats petty much anything now including lobster, prawns in shells/squid/olives/liver and a whole host of other food, so he did ok.

jacks365 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:14:54

Heinz still do the chocolate pudding. My toddler loved itand yes I would eat it too.

I did mostly my own with some pouches for convenience. I now have a toddler who eats anything but loves fruit and vegetables the most even cabbage.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:15:39

What split said.

If I have learnt anything becoming a parent it is to leave the judgey pants in the drawer.

For the record, DD is:
Uses a dummy
Eats pouch food

And usually I lick her dummy before sticking it back in.

I am going to MN hell I am sure but I have learnt that all the shit I saw before actually birthing an actual person I knew naff all about. And even now, I know a grand total of fuck all about parenting. I survive every day. And I am thankful.

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 20:16:11

Westie-read my posts love, exactly why I feed ds jars and packets too x

Chunderella Thu 17-Oct-13 20:17:22

Yabu and incredibly stupid to discuss details about your mindees on a public forum, OP, particularly as you've used your real name elsewhere. I'd be incandescent if a provider I used did this- and I don't like baby jars either. I don't think the sentiments are unreasonable, but the way and forum in which you're expressing them definitely both are.

Needaholiday jars aren't convenient for everyone, so I don't think absolutes are helpful. Not everyone regularly uses a shop that stocks a wide range of them. DH and I mix and match between markets, Aldi and Tesco and the last of those is the only one with a big selection- they don't have much baby food in our Aldi. We don't necessarily use Tesco every week, so sometimes would have had to do a specific trip somewhere to buy them. For us, it was easier just to chop up bits of fruit and cheese and give DD stuff we were having. Even when I made her something specific, it was still probably quicker than going to the shops. Obviously for some people, they don't or can't cook anything suitable for baby, but for others jars would be more of a faff.

Youhavent 'hired help' is an awful term. It makes you sound like a snob. 'Childminder acting unprofessionally' would be much more appropriate here.

HappyHalloweenMollyHooper Thu 17-Oct-13 20:17:32

Argh! Please don't let this bother you Westie.

Does your son enjoy them? Is he happy? You sound like you are doing your best and that's all that matters.

There is bugger all wrong with how you are weaning. Some people judge others as a way to validate themselves, it doesn't make them right.

They are hardly Satan's shite!

TheHouseCleaner Thu 17-Oct-13 20:18:28

I don't think the child's parent/s, you know, the paying customer, employs you to make judgement on what they feed their child, OP.

sebsmummy1 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:18:38

Oh westiemamma bless you love ^hugs^. It sounds like you are doing absolutely the best you can. I batch cook in the evenings and then fill the freezer, that's the easiest and quickest way I've found to give my son home cooked food without the palava.

Bogeyface Thu 17-Oct-13 20:19:50

DS who I had when I was young and inexperienced was weaned exclusively on jars etc, although it was more acceptable then, 23 years ago. DD (amongst the others) was fed only on homemade.

DS will eat anything, DD is fussy as hell. Means nothing and I add my name to the "thank fuck you are not my CM" list.


Bearfrills Thu 17-Oct-13 20:21:57

I fed DS (my PFB) mainly jars and packets mainly because I couldn't be arsed to faff around with chopped up bits and this and that, freezing this and defrosting that and blah blah blah. I did do him some homemade stuff and on a Sunday I used to put some of the veg from dinner in a bowl and mash it up but around 80-85% of his meals (at a guess) were courtesy of HiPP Organic smile

DD on the other hand turned her nose up completely at jarred food and would only eat what we ate but loved the jarred puddings and fruit pouches.

They're both non-fussy eaters (2yo and 4yo) and its not possible to tell which of them had the hard and which had the home made - DS does not have scales and a horn, DD is not a super genius.

It ain't poison, it's food.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:22:36

I batch cook. That is my Sunday now

<harks back to Sundays spent administering hair of the dog>

The problem is that I recently spent several hours making a lovely lamb and apricot tagine. It was fab. First time DD are it CM sent me pictures of her smiling and eating it all up. Every single other time it has gone in the bin. Teething, tiredness and so on. It was expensive and time consuming.

Now, 99.9% of what I cook is not lamb and apricot tagine but it does exemplify why sometimes throwing a jar or pouch in the bag for CM is easier.

Bogeyface Thu 17-Oct-13 20:22:38

Westie If you can go to bed knowing he has been fed then you have had a good day.

Jars are not poison! And you should not cry over the snotty nosed attitude of someone with nothing better to do with their time than judge others.

Retroformica Thu 17-Oct-13 20:22:40

Minty, we tended to add chilli at the end and if we couldn't we would make up a small amount of the same recipe separately. So for fish cakes, we would put aside a small amount of the uncooked mix and simply not add chilli.

Bogeyface Thu 17-Oct-13 20:23:49

I should add that DD4 was fed with whatever we were having chucked on a plate. I didnt always remember to cut it up though, seeing a 6 month old with a sausage in her hand and very wide eyes takes some beating grin

Bearfrills Thu 17-Oct-13 20:23:57

*hard = jars

bigkidsdidit Thu 17-Oct-13 20:24:29

That's not true, moustachio. I am very keen on nutrition and feeding my dc well but I've never been flamed. Because im not mean to other people who do differently.

Boosterseattheballcleaner Thu 17-Oct-13 20:24:36

Meh, I fed DS jars, homemade meals, formula.

Judge away.

I also gave him a slice of lemon once grin
And some of my kebab

He's got to 9 and he's all right.
He certainly doesn't judge others on what they eat just hopes they might share

Heartbrokenmum73 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:24:55

I have three dc. All three were weaned on jars/pots/powdered food. I couldn't afford the pouches or I would have used those too.

I am not, nor have I ever been, a neglectful or lazy Mum. I have been (and still am) a severely depressed and now single) one, doing her best on a day to day basis to keep her offspring clean, warm, fed and emotionally nourished.

My DD (11) eats EVERYTHING. She dabbled in vegetarianism but is now back on the meat.

DS1 is a total carnivore. Loves bacon, sausages, lamb, pork, beef, you name it.

DS2 is a bread addict. He would literally live on crumpets and teacakes if I let him (I don't).

They are all happy, healthy children, well within their expected height and weight ratios, with no allergies or intolerance's.

Some days I feel up to cooking (but rarely from scratch, I'm pretty terrible in the kitchen) and we all eat together. Occasionally we go to McDonalds. Friday night is chip shop night - our once a week treat, when we sit and watch a film together.

The sneery, nasty, judgey posts upthread are fucking awful and people should hang their heads in shame. People like me (and Westie) struggle enough with parenting as it is, without the oh-so-perfect brigade rocking up and looking down their noses.

Don't let the door catch on your fucking halos as you leave, eh?

Boosterseattheballcleaner Thu 17-Oct-13 20:26:03

grin at bogeyface

DS was partial to a whole sausage, he just liked to gnaw away at it.
kept him busy too.

Xmasbaby11 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:29:13

I tried a variety of baby/toddler foods and found that even the Hipp Organic ones were tasteless (at best) compared to homemade, so I definitely see your point. DD only had them very rarely, eg on holiday.

However, I really wouldn't judge anyone for using prepared baby food, at least for some of the time, as it is really hard to find time for everything when you have a young family. I am used to cooking a lot so it was ok for me. but I wonder if the mum in question wasn't much of a cook. Possibly the baby will grow up to eat ready meals etc. It's not what I would want for my child, but it's not a crime.

SHarri13 Thu 17-Oct-13 20:32:03

What exactly makes a pouch better than a jar?

Fleta Thu 17-Oct-13 20:33:23

westie don't let it upset you at all.

I tried BLW, I tried my own purees. DD wouldn't eat a thing. I tried a jar et voila. So you know what? She had jars, then we built up to other things.

She's now 7 and eats anything. Apart from mushrooms. So I'm pretty convinced she isn't "ruined"

MissBetseyTrotwood Thu 17-Oct-13 20:34:34

That means my actual purees etc must have been totally rank then because mine wolfed down any jar they could get their grubby mitts on.

BrianTheMole Thu 17-Oct-13 20:36:27

My dc1 was given lots of carefully prepared home cooked food as a baby. Dc2 ended up with lots of jars as I didn't have time to cook in the same way. Now they are older, dc1 is the fussy eater and dc2 eats absolutely anything put in front of him. Which kind of blows your theory out of the water. Quit being judgmental, its not pretty.

Mintyy Thu 17-Oct-13 20:36:54

Oh well done you Retroformica!

As I said, my babies were fed on a variety of foods including organic vegetarian meals from jars occasionally, and they have always been the easiest to feed children I know. So it all worked out fine in the end.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 20:37:25

Bugger all sharri. Price and kudos I reckon.

And I say that as someone who used pouches not jars. It made me feel better.

They cost twice the price

needaholidaynow Thu 17-Oct-13 20:38:51

My boys are going to be obese because of the evil jars of baby food. I'm a terrible mother.

TheDoctrineOfSpike Thu 17-Oct-13 20:40:48

You might not like the taste but a lot of jars are well balanced nutritionally, probably more so than the typical adult meal.

elQuintoConyo Thu 17-Oct-13 20:40:59


That's my response to original post, haven't arsed myself to read the following 250.

Think you need to climb out of your own bum, op.

Mamafratelli Thu 17-Oct-13 20:46:28

My dn grew up on jars and progressed to tins of spaghetti hoops as a main meal. I was shocked but she now eats anything and everything and is never sick.

thebody Thu 17-Oct-13 20:47:11

ffs, life is far far too short to worry about feeding a jar/pouch/ bit of mash and carrot off your plate to a baby.

as a mum I did what was appropriate at the time for my kids and as a CM I did what suited the parents.

mrscog Thu 17-Oct-13 20:48:15

Valiumredhead yes I'd happily try formula or breast milk.

WestieMamma Thu 17-Oct-13 20:57:18

Thank you for all the kind words. DS seems happy with jarred food. It hard to tell really as he's always happy and smiling. Although I think if he had his way he'd eat nothing but blueberries and fresh figs.

Passmethecrisps Thu 17-Oct-13 21:01:31

He can't be too miserable then westie!

jacks365 Thu 17-Oct-13 21:06:12

Pouches versus jars. Pouches for me because from a young age she could eat them herself and cleanly so it made them more convenient than jars. She was determined to self feed from very early and she struggled getting the spoon in the jar but could eat directly from the pouch.

FreeWee Thu 17-Oct-13 21:18:17

I did a baby shower game with these jars. They do actually taste like what they're supposed to but the texture is totally weird and surely doesn't hell kids understand texture, even if they get to know taste. I feed my DD foods I wouldn't eat myself but that's because I'm fussy (custard, peas, fish, rice, mash, sweet potato, figs...) but my DH tries her food to assess if it's edible. I have never fed her a jar or pouch (yep I'm a little bit smug about that but only cos DH does the cooking!) but I have fed her stuff I wouldn't eat myself. But at least it's home cooked smile

SplitHeadGirl Thu 17-Oct-13 21:46:14

Just came back to this thread to ask what the hell the OP is playing at?? Thinking about Westie's post, I am quite sure the OP KNEW very well that mums out there wean their babies on jars, and didn't give a shit who she hurt!

If the OP were my children's minder, I would be ashamed that my lack of judgement put my children in her presence FAR MORE than I would regarding my choice of food for them!

tshirtsuntan Thu 17-Oct-13 21:49:22

Heinz chocolate pudding..was that in a tiny can? ( 2 spoonfuls for the greedy) ooh.... I want one!

SplitHeadGirl Thu 17-Oct-13 21:49:33

Westie, he sounds exceptionally happy and healthy!!! Well done you!!

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 21:50:47

I don't know if it was Farley's or another brand. I remember him being hooked on the "cauliflower cheese" powder and the "Sunshine Orange" powder!

TBH i think that is all they made as thatis what dd had grin

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 21:53:15

westie my dds were raised on jar food you are feeding your baby there is absolutely nothing wrong with jarred baby food, i hope you get your help soon lovey

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 21:53:59

Heinz chocolate pudding..was that in a tiny can?

<nods> i bought 2 blush

VinegarDrinker Thu 17-Oct-13 21:55:44

You can still get Sunshine Orange, but only in Ireland by the looks of things

Though I remember it being more, well, orange.

Almostfifty Thu 17-Oct-13 21:57:00

I FF my first two, BF my second two.

I was manic that I hadn't managed to BF the first two, so they only had home cooked food when they were weaning. I would not have dreamt of putting processed food in front of a small baby.

It was easy, if I was making a casserole I'd just do a separate one using water to cook it in then blend it up.

I did the same with the other two and never thought twice about it. It's not exactly hard work to blend and freeze food is it?

I now have four boys who eat anything I put in front of them. Always have, always will.

tshirtsuntan Thu 17-Oct-13 21:58:16

mrsjay sharing is caring! grin

Balaboosta Thu 17-Oct-13 22:00:41

I'd be mortified if my childminder did what you've done here. Have you no professional pride? It's not like this is some serious case of abuse or employment situation. You've just been asked to give child a jar of food that you didn't like the smell of. YABU.

mrsjay Thu 17-Oct-13 22:03:56

mrsjay sharing is caring

well thats what i thought

congresstart Thu 17-Oct-13 22:08:20

I used to love the chocolate pudding...and banana packet breakfast.

Mine were all weaned on a mixture of foods...jars were fine to use with homemade food.

It's not a big deal...all mine eat perfectly well now and has not set them up to eat processed food in the slightest, that was a bit of a strange conclusion to jump to really.

Balaboosta Thu 17-Oct-13 22:15:01

I learnt a long time ago, never admit you feed your child healthily one mumsnet. For some reason people go fucking mental. Even if you suggest that it's okay on occasion but not all the time, you will be flamed. So bizaare.

Nothing wrong with saying your child eats healthily. Lots wrong with sounding smug and judging and condemning other people and their choices.

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 22:22:11

Almostfifty-managing to get anything on the table is bloody hard work when you have crippling pnd. It's not hard when you are feeling well.

WandaDoff Thu 17-Oct-13 22:23:50

I haven't RTFT as its bloody long, but has anyone mentioned Heinz chocolate pudding yet?

valiumredhead Thu 17-Oct-13 22:23:58

And westie if your boy is happy and smiling then you are doing a fantastic job, well done!

WandaDoff Thu 17-Oct-13 22:27:27

Oops X posted with lots of people.

Bloody lovely stuff though.

SamHamwidge Thu 17-Oct-13 22:29:30

Read the ingredients on the Heinz chocolate pudding!

Its basically skimmed milk, cornflour, sugar and vegetable oil. A tiny bit of cocoa is added. Imagine all that minus that little bit of cocoa. RANK! And nutritionally rubbish!

But DD loves them! confused

EmmaBemma Thu 17-Oct-13 22:30:32

Heinz Treacle spronge is my fave, Wanda.

MrRected Thu 17-Oct-13 22:33:07

OP yanbu!! Jars are gross

SplitHeadGirl Thu 17-Oct-13 22:39:16

Mrrected, how do you know they are gross?? Have you eaten them? Go on, admit it....have you??

HaroldLloyd Thu 17-Oct-13 22:46:45

Has the mindees mum turned up yet?

It really pisses me off when people say things like oh it's not hard is it.

You have no idea what other people have going on and why they might use something to make their lives a little easier.

I cook when I can, use jars and pouches when I'm under the cosh.

Westie - boots food in the little pouches is lovely, looks fresh snd wouldn't even offend the OPs delicate nose.

3 for 2 at the moment.

jacks365 Thu 17-Oct-13 22:49:32

Despite all the time I spent lovingly preparing home cooked meals for dd I had to stop going near the baby food in the local supermarket because she'd bounce up and down and try to get them all, she loved them. She's thrown tantrums because I wouldn't let her have them.

Drgonzosattorney Thu 17-Oct-13 22:52:55

How do the babies feel about it? Has anyone asked them? Power to the babies!

senioroafdog Thu 17-Oct-13 22:58:57

I really just think it does not matter whether you feed your child a jar or not! Yes they don't taste great but babies love bland textures and tastes and no doubt my homemade efforts taste equally as gross.

Feeding your baby a jar will not make them a bad eater when they are bigger! My dd2 (13 months) is still partial to the odd jar.. She also loves salmon with a side of quinoa... and a slice of pizza.. And a fistful of strawberries. My point ( obviously ) is that it's all about balance. Jars are not bad for kids in fact they are generally nutritionally balanced.

I'm off for a Heinz choc pud..... wink( as according to my mum that's what I was weened on.. And trust me I am excellent and varied eater!!grin)

HaroldLloyd Thu 17-Oct-13 23:00:14

Ingredients from one of my pouches.

Butternut squash

Hardly crap.

AliaTheEvilLeaper Thu 17-Oct-13 23:02:45

I used a mixture of jars and a mixture of cooked from scratch meals.Mainly cooked from scratch meals, but some days I did give a jar.
They're both now older (ie not babies) and eat lots of home cooked dinners and a wide variety of foods.
Just because the mum gave you ajar doesn't mean she always does. Do you never eat chips or the odd convenience meal?

MoominsYonisAreScary Thu 17-Oct-13 23:14:24

I remember trying ds1 with some jars and thinking they tasted like plastic. I gave ds4 some veg and chicken that id blended and frozen the other day, not sure what veg it was as I tend to do loads of different things to freeze for when im busy cant be arsed and that tasted like plastic too

MoominsYonisAreScary Thu 17-Oct-13 23:15:55

And ds3 never had a jar of anything but at 2.7 turns his nose up at most things at the minute

Wanksock Thu 17-Oct-13 23:29:46

I never fed my DS a jar of baby food, except for some of the fruit pouch things, for the same reason that the OP states - if I wouldn't eat it myself, I wouldn't feed it to him as he is just as entitled to eat nice things as us. And I wanted him to be used to the taste of home cooked stuff instead of getting a taste for processed stuff. Now aged 4, he eats most things but is also partial to some processed things like fish fingers!!

I don't care what other people feed their babies though, as long as they feed them! I fed my niece a jar of smushed risotto (given to me to feed her) quite recently and had a taste of it myself, it wasn't disgusting but I wouldn't say it tasted nice either.

AdmiralData Thu 17-Oct-13 23:35:26

I tried to feed my DS 7 months home made food from the beginning of weaning and he absolutely refused to ear it but he would happily eat jars with the occasional mashed sweet potato and carrot. Not your kid so you're not really entitled to judge the mum. Take your judgey pants from your arse before they climb so high they choke you to death.

ChipAndSpud Thu 17-Oct-13 23:38:23

I think it's fine to have jars of food as a standby as long as jars aren't the only food the baby eats! I found them very handy when feeding DS out and about!

They're probably not as healthy as freshly cooked homemade meals, but then my diet isn't wonderful every single day smile

Bogeyface Fri 18-Oct-13 00:33:08

Hang on.

Baby is on 10+ jars. You can buy 12+ jars so presumably is 11 months ish. Weaned at 6 months means 5 months tops on jars and as you are now shocked means that the baby has only just started being minded by you.

Do you feed the baby 3 meals a day? Were you there every day from weaning for this baby?

Bogeyface Fri 18-Oct-13 00:37:30

I think it's fine to have jars of food as a standby as long as jars aren't the only food the baby eats!

Why? As Westie has poignantly pointed out, sometimes cooking a full meal for an adult or a child can be beyond a persons capabilities.

If a woman with severe depression said she couldnt face cooking she would be advised to buy the best quality ready meals she could afford and worry about nutrition later. Why is a jar different to a ready meal?

The child is fed and not fed some gopping junk, but food that has been passed by the FSA as suitable for a child that age.

Sometimes food in the belly is more important than the provenance of the food.

SPsTombRaidingWithCliff Fri 18-Oct-13 00:47:34

I gave my son jars/pouches for up to a year of age, maybe longer.

He is now nearly 4 and its all he will eat. Its like crack to babies. If only this thread was around then, my son might have been saved from the orange crack that is jars.

Its too late for my son. He will grow in to a man with a cupboard full of baby food jars.

Save your children people!

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 07:36:56

*Hang on.

Baby is on 10+ jars. You can buy 12+ jars so presumably is 11 months ish. Weaned at 6 months means 5 months tops on jars and as you are now shocked means that the baby has only just started being minded by you. *
No. she's been with me for months.
I quite clearly said this was a one off. I provide the food every day, mum wanted to use this jar up. read the thread and you'll see that.
I also quite clearly asked if it was just Heinz jars which were rank. I also said the parent was quite happy and agreed with me they were rank. I also have yet to hear from anyone who would eat one themselves ( except choc. pudding apparently).
For the record, I'm still quite happy that I provide excellent food and after spending some time reading what is in a lot of these baby foods ( ella's kitchen excepted) I am more than convinced that they are full of shite and should be used only in an emnergency ( as my op said)

SHarri13 Fri 18-Oct-13 07:57:52

What makes Ella's kitchen better OP. everything I've read groups them in with the rest.

This thread is hysterical.

"Processed crap?" "Full of shite"?
Making the poor children grow up not knowing what "real food" tastes like?

I fed my DCs jars. This was back in the day when they were weaned at 4 months. They ate jars, packets and chopped up fruit and cheese or whatever when I was at home.
That was when BLW was just chucking stuff on a plate and letting them get on with it.

They eat anything now. And I do mean anything.
I do not have to buy them jars of baby food at age 15 nor do they live on a diet of ready meals.
Ds1 is quite partial to a chocolate muffin every day at school and a sausage roll.

Fuck me, that must be the jars fault.

OP you know damn well that there are people who feed their DCs jars of food. You also know that there are circumstances that you know fuck all about, and posting how terrible this is could really upset someone.
I personally couldn't give a flying fuck what you think. My DCs were FF, had a dummy and jars of food, were in nursery at 6 months.
So what? They are my children.

But honestly if you do not have the foresight to think that you could be upsetting a lot of people by this, then I am very very glad you do not look after my children.

valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 08:18:11

Yeah baby led weaning was called 'feeding your baby finger foods and chucking stuff on a plate' when ds was little toogrin

knockedgymnast Fri 18-Oct-13 08:25:55

Are you Gordon Ramsey for the baby world hmm

Get over yourself, you are disposable and can be replaced quicker than a jar of baby food.

mrsjay Fri 18-Oct-13 08:32:28

<arf> @chucking things on a plate grin it is a wonder out teenagers survived really what with baby jars and chucking stuff on plates

mrsjay Fri 18-Oct-13 08:32:43


valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 08:34:00

Actually I tell a lie, it was never on a plate, it was straight on the high chair traywink

mrsjay Fri 18-Oct-13 08:38:44

mine never had a high chair as i couldnt lift them up and over so it was just wherever the food landed tbh wink

Wuxiapian Fri 18-Oct-13 08:44:11

You're incredibly foolish and totally unprofessional to be slating a charge and her feeding choices this way, moogy1a.

filee777 Fri 18-Oct-13 08:49:58

Worst thing about Jars is the price really.

Due to being in nursery quite a lot, my youngest has had more jars than my eldest and he eats far more varied things, despite us doing everything 'right' with DS1

I think a lot of it is personality.

flippinada Fri 18-Oct-13 09:07:01

The lack of self awareness on here from the OP is quite something.

moogy how do you think your mindee's parents would react if they came across this thread - would you be happy for them to read this?

If you think they'd be fine with it, why not post them a link?

pigletmania Fri 18-Oct-13 09:35:36

Op what is the problem, the child normally eats what you are cooking, and as a one off mum wanted to use that jar up, not so bad. No I wouldn't eat them because of the mushy texture, even ds Ella's Kitchen food ewwww. I do lik a microwave meal sometimes though, same thing

Wannabestepfordwife Fri 18-Oct-13 12:53:06

Dd had a mix of jars/ pouches/homemade and now she's 16 months she's completely on homemade apart from the odd fish finger. I don't think it makes any difference tbh.

I think yabu your there to provide a service not judge the parents using it. Are you sure the mother didn't for example think your kitchen is dirty and that's why she decided to bring a jar

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 13:00:28

Can't believe you are still banging on about people eating them themselves Moogy, they are for BABIES

MikeReepySpooksard Fri 18-Oct-13 13:04:47

Not read every post, as I cba, but I EAT BABY FOOD FROM JARS MYSELF. Hope that helps. My favourite is mild chicken curry, and when dd was too old for baby jars, I used to still buy this one for myself and eat it. Now ds is on jars, I like them, they are nice, and if he doesn't finish his dinner I eat the rest.

I have also tasted formula once (I had some for 'just in case' and tried to use it in my coffee when I ran out of milk). Now that shit is rank. BUT, it obviously does alright for babies, and doesn't affect them moving on to other food when they're ready, does it?


valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 13:20:01

Mrs jay- BLW a la floor then?wink

Katiepoes Fri 18-Oct-13 13:31:44

I tried to ht point of despair becuse I fell for that crap about jars. My daughter refused most of my carefully prepared organic veggies and hand reared cows-with-names meat, she took to Hipp and sometimes Heinz jars as if they'd been designed for her. I lost sleep over it because of sniffy attitudes like the OPs, until my mother told me to get a grip and pointed out that baby was clearly enjoying the 'rank' food and growing like a weed.

She's now a three year old that eats just about everything - from broccoli through to sushi. (My daughter that is not my Mam)

TattyDevine Fri 18-Oct-13 14:01:24

Why does everyone say "lovingly prepared" with regards to home cooked stuff.

When I cook, it is with hate in my black, black heart grin

HeadsDownThumbsUp Fri 18-Oct-13 14:01:37

This forum is bizarre. The whole of AIBU is dedicated to judging people. But it seems everyone is allowed to have opinions except the "hired help".

Imagine referring to someone as the "hired help"!

HeadsDownThumbsUp Fri 18-Oct-13 14:02:51

I've also seen lots of discussion about people's bosses and colleagues on this site. No one goes nuts about that. No, you can criticise your employers all you like, as long as you're not the "hired help".

SoleSorceress Fri 18-Oct-13 14:09:14

tatty grin

DS loved Heinz jars as he is disabled and was unable to chew.

Glad you're not his minder.

I did catch the first child minder, feeding four babies cold baked beans with a teaspoon, out of the tin. Value beans.

stopthiscrap Fri 18-Oct-13 14:13:56

I you do not care for the way the PARENTS choose to bring up THEIR child then perhaps childminding isn't the right job to be in? I would be really, really upset if you were discussing my family in this way on a forum, you are entitled to your opinion but you clearly sneer and look down on the horrid parents. Actually I hope they suss you out.

Chivetalking Fri 18-Oct-13 14:16:00

Why are you trying mindees food? confused

Anyways. If you're horrified at baby jars, I suggest you don't look when there's a hungry teen in the vicinity grin

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:16:20

Still being a nasty, judgey bitch then Moogy?

Did you bother to read my post further up the thread about WHY my three dc were fed jars? Did you read Westie's account?

How dare you come on here and be so fucking vile! If you don't like the jars, the good for you, but judging other people's choices (and it's not always a choice, believe me) is unbelievably bitchy when you know nothing about their circumstances.

PS - do fuck off now dear.

flippinada Fri 18-Oct-13 14:21:45

Tatty grin .

Nothing wrong with having an opinion - everyone does after all - but plastering it all over a public forum, complete with identifying details is really not a good idea.

I think people sometimes don't realize that anyone could read your comments...including someone you are talking about.

flippinada Fri 18-Oct-13 14:24:13

Especially when you are looking after about young children and the people who are paying you to do that might read your comments.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:24:26

How dare you come on here and be so fucking vile bit fucking strong considering I'm just slagging off Heinz baby food.
What a pleasant person you sound, Glad you're not one of my parents, I'd give you notice with that attitude

stopthiscrap Fri 18-Oct-13 14:26:02

There's a site you may enjoy hugely op, called alpha parenting, it's for people who everyone and act as if all food is poison and are savage about almost everyone including cancer survivors who " shouldn't be allowed" to have babies because they have no breasts ergo are feeding their baby poison and should have it taken away.

stopthiscrap Fri 18-Oct-13 14:27:01

I so hope this gets back to the parents!!!

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:29:24


I actually AM a pleasant person! But you've started a thread that you knew damned well would upset people. Did you honestly think that everyone would just agree with you and say 'yes, it's all rank food and no one should ever feed it to their kids?'.

Have you read my earlier comments? Have you seen how upset your stupid and utterly pointless thread has made some people? Vulnerable people?

And as for giving me my notice, I would never leave any of my children in your care to begin with so that's not a worry is it?

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:29:35

The parents are well aware the jar was revolting. I told her and she agreed. She's often said how glad she is I provide the food all week as the kids get processed crap at home at weekends. And yes, processed crap is the phrase she uses.

flippinada Fri 18-Oct-13 14:30:06

Considering the responses, I'm minded to think this a wind up rather than genuine.

Of course I may be wrong, nowt so queer as folk.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:31:48

You're not coming across as pleasant. I don't think my opinions on Heinz jars makes me "fucking vile" and unfit to look after children or the other hysterical comments.

HeadsDownThumbsUp Fri 18-Oct-13 14:31:53

Agree that "fucking vile" is ridiculous language to use about someone disliking commercial baby food.

As I said, I've seen lots of people say genuinely horrible things about their colleagues and bosses, and that's all fine and well. You're not allowed an opinion on infant nutrition though, because you're the "hired help".

How do people, in 2013, walk around using phrases like "hired help". If anything on this thread is "fucking vile" it's attitudes like that.

Zara1984 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:32:45

Errr this is too obvious a bunfight for me. I smell wind-up.

Different brands of jars taste differently. Some are nice. DS has always been partial to Hipp, and I think it tastes nice too. It's handy to have a jar in the house for when you get caught short, are out of the house, travelling or baby refuses what you have prepared.

I think you need to chill the fuck out, OP.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:34:14

Do you know, as the only type I've come across is this Heinz one I expected a more measured reply along the lines of , yes Heinz is revolting but HIPP / ASDA own / Cow and gate isn't bad. Not the disgustingly nasty responses I did get.

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:35:34

Yes, well, by starting a thread like this and basically slagging off anyone who uses jarred food, you're not coming across as a pleasant person either.

As I said upthread, my dc were all weaned with jars and powdered food because I suffered severe pnd and was unable to cook, or even think about cooking. They are all now great little eaters, with varied tastes, who are doing well in life.

This thread has upset people, vulnerable people, but you're not taking that on board - I wonder why?

Chippednailvarnish Fri 18-Oct-13 14:36:51

FWIW I'd rather have my childminder tell me a jar of baby food I had provided was "vile" than let my DC eat something they considered horrible and not tell me.

As for Heinz chocolate pudding, it's sold as being suitable from 4 months onwards. I pity the 4 month old who gets fed a mixture of something containing cornflour and vegetable oil...

No that was not what you said OP.
you said people shouldn't feed their children food out of jars every day.
That comment there, plus the one about how "the poor bugger" won't be able to eat "proper grown up food"

Lets not pretend it was about the brand of food.

chipped there's no need to pity my DCs.
They are all fine thank you.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:38:41

FFs. Where did I slag off all people using jars. I said the Heinz was shit and wondered if anyone fed the shit Heinz to their kids every day.
I very much doubt that anyone except yourself is genuinely upset. And I recommend a chat with someone if you find such an innocuous comment upsetting.

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 14:39:21

I don't agree with some of the things that have been said but I also do not believe in your motives either. tatty you really made me laugh and stopthiscrap that's awful how could they think like that!

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:39:52

Erm, have you even read the other comments? There was someone almost in tears because she was worried about what she was feeding her kids because of your thread!

I'm not upset. I already said quite happily that my DCs are jars of food, they are now teenagers and eat everything in sight. I also said that if anyone wanted to judge me on that, good luck to them because I don't really mind.

you are the one that's upset

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:41:21

stopthiscrap I've heard of that site, and no I don't think I would like it. Aftter losing a few members of close family to breast cancer I find it an offensive suggestion.

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 14:41:41

And by the way my baby doesn't really have many jars so its your attitude that's upset me not some sense of failure, lovingly prepared failure

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:42:46

I'm currently weaning my son. I am exhausted, in constant pain, disabled, have no family or friends around to support me (other than my husband), am suffering terribly from post-natal depression and am not getting the home help from social services which the Court of Appeal have ordered them to provide. I have be using jars of baby food. Ideally I would like to provide lovely home-cooked food for him but despite my best efforts, I can't. This thread makes me want to cry. sad

From further upthread, OP (and not me, either) - this is what you've started. Happy now?

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 14:45:20

Well perhaps she's using nice jars or simply ones which aren't this one particular brand I thought was vile. You're just not getting it, are you?

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:47:46

You're deliberately being obtuse and this is obviously a wind up.

You must have hairy hands so please have a biscuit.

NB - it's not an organic, lovingly homemade biscuit though - hope you can cope with that!

SPsTombRaidingWithCliff Fri 18-Oct-13 14:48:02

You didn't start this thread about Heinz so don't try make out like you did.

I wouldn't eat jarred food but gave it to my son. I wouldn't eat because I'm not a baby.

My son ate it

In all fairness I did open a fishermans pie jar and just threw it away. Not a chance I could have fed him that, the smell made me heave. His dad fed him the next one.

Icelollycraving Fri 18-Oct-13 14:49:05

I fed ds jars,the Hipp ones. He loved them. He also had formula,petit filous,he has squash & a biscuit most days. That is filth to some mners,I couldn't give a stuff.
People feed babies the jars because they are convenient. Not everyone wants to purée vegetables. Every time I did it he'd spit it out. Give him a hipp jar & he was happy.
If you were my cm I'd be pretty pissed off with you discussing my parenting online.

ok lets pretend it is about the brand then.
My dcs had Heinz jars. They are not something I would eat for my dinner because I am 35 and not 6 months old.
My dcs are not "poor buggers" and they manage to eat "proper grown up food"

PatoBanton Fri 18-Oct-13 14:53:26

There are some OPs who just will never get it. I think it's probably not worthwhile engaging further.

valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 15:24:50

Chipped- cornflour and oil , add some cheese and you have a cheese sauce which is in Annabel Karmel's recipes.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Fri 18-Oct-13 15:49:35

My DD preferred jars to my cooking when she was a baby. She also loves her school lunches and asks for cold food at home...

I don't think DS liked the jars though. That was more inconvenient actually and is difficult to take fresh baby food out and about.

Both DDs were BLW but I parted company with Gill Rapley over eating out in restaurants with a small baby, after the time we met BIL and his friends in a smart pub with no children's menu. We ended buying an 8 month old a chicken Caesar salad for about £9. From then on it's been BLW with an emergency Ella's pouch / Plum pot in the nappy bag!

Chippednailvarnish Fri 18-Oct-13 16:16:18

Valium I haven't checked but doubt if that's from 4 months...

Chipping, iirc that book is for the first stages of weaning, isn't it?
I doubt the chocolate pudding jars say 4 months anymore, that was the case 15 years ago when we were advised to wean from 4 months.

valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 16:24:16

I weaned ds at 16 weeks,I still remember his face at his first taste of real foodgrin

Chippednailvarnish Fri 18-Oct-13 16:25:59

Its on their website "from 4 months".

Heartbrokenmum73 Fri 18-Oct-13 16:27:56

I can remember DD's first taste of food too, Valium. I distinctly remember reading 'not to be surprised if they pull a face and reject the majority of what you offer' and DD gobbled half a pot in the first sitting! Greedy little guts grin

dds first taste of food was heinz egg custard. She loved it grin

valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 16:33:12

Ds didn't do that 'licking the spoon ' thing either, just opened his mouth like a baby birdgrin

BooCanary Fri 18-Oct-13 16:37:54

I used to mash up (home-cooked!) sunday lunch for my DD into a big mush when she was weaning. It tasted fucking disgusting. I'm pretty sure most dinners, if liquidised, would taste pretty foul.

I used jarred foods on holiday and when out and about with DD <shrugs>. She eats brilliantly. Always a clean plate, unlike BLW DS who eats like a sparrow. Go figure.

<that said I used to think MN fruit shoot rage was a fuss about nothing until I drank one in desperation one hot summer day. Jesus, it was probably the foulest thing I have drunk in my entire life <boaks at the memory>>

valiumredhead Fri 18-Oct-13 16:40:24

Ds goes a bit bonkers on fruit shoots, I'd have never believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. God knows what's in them!

I tried a purple one once. My thought processes went "oh - a bit like Ribena. With a bit of an aftertaste. Actually a lot of an aftertaste. Oh dear God what's in this?!"

ringaringarosy Fri 18-Oct-13 16:43:11

the jars are wierd,they smell horrible and have a funny texture,the pouches seemed slightly better but after dc1 i just did blw,it was easier,actually even with dc1 we did blw most of the time,i just didnt realise there was a name for it and that you could do it all the time with no spoon feeding.

ah so the goady fuckery is still going on I see.....

SPsTombRaidingWithCliff Fri 18-Oct-13 16:54:19

Never understood the term 'baby led weaning'. Isn't it just giving them food to eat how they want, spoon feeding them yourself if in a rush?

BooCanary Fri 18-Oct-13 17:03:34

SPs - I like to think of it as 'throwing random food in the direction of the highchair, and keeping an ear/eye out for choking whilst cleaning/washing up/MNing'.

SPsTombRaidingWithCliff Fri 18-Oct-13 17:05:55

That is what it is.. It doesn't need some name. The baby isn't leading anything grin

fluffyraggies Fri 18-Oct-13 17:13:04

OMG! heinz egg custard! YUM!

bebopanddoowop Fri 18-Oct-13 17:14:18

When I was a teenager I used to eat the pudding flavoured baby food all the time as snacks. I'm looking forward to trying some new ones when my sprog is born!

fromparistoberlin Fri 18-Oct-13 17:20:05

I dont give a shit

I FULLY judge people I see in supermarkets with a trolley full of jarred baby food

Its fucking rank, and I cant see any nutritional benefit in them

of course I fed them the odd jar and pouch , but I dont get how pureeing a few apples is that hard?

but hey, its just an opinion!

sparkle101 Fri 18-Oct-13 17:25:37

I fed dd jars of food when she was being weaned due to having no idea what I was doing. She loved them and is now 3 and will eat anything you put in front of her, not in the least bit fussy like me!!!

Still we can't all be perfect can we?!

MaryPoppinsBag Fri 18-Oct-13 17:28:08

I agree with OP, they are rank.

It's so easy, much healthier and more natural to give your baby what you would eat. Occasional baby food fine. But I personally only liked the Ella's Kitchen pouches.

Just like breast feeding is better surely home cooked nutritionally balanced meals are too?

And before anybody jumps on me I did not breast feed my two, because I couldn't.

Bearfrills Fri 18-Oct-13 17:34:45

I FULLY judge people I see in supermarkets with a trolley full of jarred baby food

What a sad little life you must lead. I never even notice what's in other people's trolleys, let alone form an opinion on it.

It's food. It's isn't poison.

Some of the comments on this thread are truly shocking, no wonder so many people lack confidence in their parenting abilities and decisions when so many people (like a lot of those on this thread) are so eager to judge them and scorn them for the smallest of decisions.

HaroldLloyd Fri 18-Oct-13 17:34:58

I am about to feed my poor poor bugger a Heinz meal - weep for him people.


Vegetables & fruit
Iron sulphate

It smells fine. I've been out all day and this suits us fine.

So what's your problem with Heinz specifically?

HaroldLloyd Fri 18-Oct-13 17:37:06

Paris - that made me laugh.

You really are wasting your energy judging people on a snapshot of what they buy that day.

Bearfrills Fri 18-Oct-13 17:39:59

My mum bought baby food for the dog (on the advice of a vet) after the dog had a big operation.

I love the idea of people judging her basket of her baby food.

That poor dog, she could have lovingly hand puréed something made of love and stuff instead.

HaroldLloyd Fri 18-Oct-13 17:41:50

That poor poor poor poor hound. sad

I bet he will only eat donner kebabs now.

Bearfrills Fri 18-Oct-13 17:44:03

Oh it's ruined him, completely ruined him. He won't touch salad and turns his nose up at anything the doesn't come out of a tin. He can't even use a knife and fork properly.

Damned baby food has a lot to answer for.

fromparistoberlin Fri 18-Oct-13 17:45:24


everyone judges, anyone who says they dont judge others is a liar, or in massive denial

Happily I work FT and visit supermarkets very rarely, so happy days for the jar shoppers (and her trolley was fucking FILLED to the brim)

HaroldLloyd Fri 18-Oct-13 17:46:26

I buy them in bulk as I do that with everything. Dosent mean that DS gets one each meal.

Save your energy!

Dobbiesmum Fri 18-Oct-13 17:50:03

The chocolate pudding doesn't taste the same anymore, I was rather disappointed when I gave DD2 some!
I can't honestly believe that people will actually judge others on what is in their trolleys in general, let alone if it has jars of baby food in it, strikes me as being a bit pathetic in all honesty, maybe those that do should look to see what's missing in their own lives before sneering at others...
I mixed fed, some jars, some homemade, whatever was around at mealtimes really. All 3 eat whatever you put in front of them and I still mix between ready made stuff and home made from scratch, and I can honestly say that I genuinely do not give a flying fuck what some nosy bint in the supermarket thinks of that.

BatPenguin Fri 18-Oct-13 17:50:10

Oh won't someone think of the children???! <shrieks>

NotYoMomma Fri 18-Oct-13 18:02:51

I rarely bought it (only really got thepouches for convenience and just in case emergencies) but when I did I got a lot in the trolly!

its expensive and when the best offers were on it obviously makes sense to get the 10 for £5 or 20 for £8 than buying them as and when.

so judge my trolly. my wallet doesnt give a shit lol

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 20:52:37

I didn't give my PFB any jars, I was perfect and oh so smug, I fully admit it, number two's two and three came along and I relaxed a bit. To compare jars with pot noodles etc is pathetic and to those worrying about other people's perfectly happy babies and trolley contents get a fucking life

MikeReepySpooksard Fri 18-Oct-13 21:01:18

The jar we had for dinner today was heinz. It was really nice. 4 veg, chicken and rice casserole (or something like that). What's not to like? Smelt fine, tasted lovely, ds and I enjoyed it very much.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Oct-13 21:09:04

fromparis ready prepped baby food is nutritionally exact. There is actually more risk of giving nutritionally bolloxed home made food if, for example, veg are over boiled (as far too many people do). In your position I would take my head out of my arse and open my mind up a bit.

junkfoodaddict Fri 18-Oct-13 21:18:04

DS wouldn't eat Heinz - fair enough (I can't stand anchovies, so there you go).
But he loved Ellas Kitchen pouches, Organix desserts, Hipps desserts, Organix porridge but hated Ella's oaty bars - which do taste like cardboard. He had some homemade food too (as is, not pureed or mashed) but Ella's pouches were great when going out. His favourites were spaghetti bol and beef stew.
Can't get the little horror to stop eating ALL food now. He loves his mash and gravy, home-made beef stew, spag bol, lasagne, pasta, sweetcorn, broccoli and is a devil for CHOCOLATE - still has Hipps Chocolate Dessert at 21 months.

starlight1234 Fri 18-Oct-13 21:21:12

My son had loads of jar food when he moved to lumpy wouldn't touch homecooked food but would eat a jar...

He is now 6 and not a fussy eater in the slightest..Eats mostly unprocessed food.

I don't know why once you have a child everyone in the world see's that they have a right to comment on the way you bring up your child...

appletarts Fri 18-Oct-13 21:21:45

Harold if you've got time to type out those ingredients, you've got time to boil some carrots, broccoli and potato. Lazy.

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Oct-13 21:22:36

I love the idea of making baby food with a cold, black heart!

You know the opening scenes of programs like Doctors and holby city where you get some set up like harassed but loving mother is juggling pots and pans in a BBC untidy house while teething child clings to her legs and dog runs with gay abandon through the house? Well, I feel like that every sodding time I try to make something lovingly.

So now she gets shit cooked and flung at her grin

miffybun73 Fri 18-Oct-13 21:24:50

YANBU, those jars absolutely stink don't they.

I have tried them and they also taste vile. Babies seem to enjoy them though smile

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 21:27:53

I FULLY judge people I see in supermarkets with a trolley full of jarred baby food

Judge away. Who cares. I wouldn't give a shiny shit about what some random person thinks about what I put in my shopping trolley.

MissStrawberry Fri 18-Oct-13 21:29:00

You couldn't bring yourself to try it?

WTF would you? It wasn't YOUR food!

HeadsDownThumbsUp Fri 18-Oct-13 21:36:19

Is it that mad to smell and taste an unfamiliar foodstuff you're about to feed to a LO?

It just seems like an instinctive impulse to me. I don't think the OP was trying to STEAL a little taste of the LO's food, though it wasn't HERS.

Are people who hire CMs usually this disparaging towards people they employ?

mrscog Fri 18-Oct-13 21:37:45

PetiteRaleuse how many nutrients do you think are left after it's been pasteurised within an inch of it's life? Surely this process decreases the nutrients quiet drastically. I could be wrong though.

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Oct-13 21:40:53

I was quite the opposite of disparaging to our CM. I felt that the original post was sneery in tone. The intention appears to have been misunderstood but I think folk are, understandably, a bit unsettled by the idea of someone who cares for their child posting on the web about what said child eats.

Passmethecrisps Fri 18-Oct-13 21:42:47

I would imagine that pasteurising milk, cheese and butter has the same effect and is the law in the UK. Overboiling or cooking, freezing then reheating will also surely impact on nutritional value

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Oct-13 21:44:09

mrscog enough nutrients are left. They have to be left or added to be allowed to be sold. To be nutritionally balanced. And I honestly think pre prepped food is better than badly cooked home food. Not every one knows how long to cook each bit of food.

Chippednailvarnish Fri 18-Oct-13 21:45:29

Following on from mrscog

BBC link

PetiteRaleuse Fri 18-Oct-13 21:46:08

I think the OP is deliberately goady.

LynetteScavo Fri 18-Oct-13 21:47:05

Youhaventseenme is your solicitor also "hired help"?

LynetteScavo Fri 18-Oct-13 21:47:49

From what I remember, jarred baby food only smells rank. It doesn't really taste of anything at all.

pastelmacaroons Fri 18-Oct-13 21:55:15

Baby food is quite bland to begin with due to lack of salt and pepper and other things.

Lots of the home made stuff is also bland ish and not wow, amazing zingy food....that we should all be eating as its soooo fab.

They have a place, leave her alone.

I often find people who are soooo smug and sanctimonious on one area are very lacking in others.

PansOnFire Fri 18-Oct-13 22:13:20

This is laughable! Think most of you meant to post on that smug-stick-up-one's-arse alpha parenting site. OP you are being judgy and over the top, and not very professional discussing your mindees on a public forum.

Jars: the very thought, how awful. To the poster who judges parents with a trolley full of jars get over yourself, it's none of your fecking business! Why do you care? That's a bit concerning...Jars have their place, not all people have the time to do fresh food every day. Others have got fed up of making fresh food only to have it thrown on the floor or refused.

I glad there are so many perfect parents in the world, it makes up for all the poor excuses for parents like me apparently. Around these days.

MrsDeVere Fri 18-Oct-13 22:25:17

Always amazes me how indiscreet people are about their work, particularly if they work with families, on a massively popular parenting site.

How stupid.

MrsDeVere Fri 18-Oct-13 22:28:31

I used to have a trolley full of jars.
It was much cheaper buying organic fruit jars than buying organic fruit and stewing, pureeing it to get a sad little bowlful costing about £5.00

I loved filling my trolley up with all those jars and putting them away in the cupboard, all neat and tidy.

I have had five children. All bought up on homemade food. From my first who I had when I was clueless and quite poor nearly 22 years ago. Right up to my youngest who is 3.

I wouldn't sneer at someone with jars in their trolley. Why on earth would anyone do that?

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 22:31:23

Too much time on their hands?

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:32:11

If you can be arsed to read my replies, the parent agrees that the food was shite. They also love that I provide proper home cooked food. I'm waiting with baited breath for the next thread about how my CM fed my child nuggets and chips and you'll all wade in and say take your child out and report to OFSTED

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 22:38:43

Are you being deliberately thick

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:40:02
moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:41:41

Luckily for me, legislation states that I'm not actually allowed to feed my mindees crap

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:43:28

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 22:44:15

Argh! To me its less about jars and more about your smug attitude, my baby had lentils, brussels and broccoli tonight and who the fuck cares, your attitude and comparison of jars to junk food stinks

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:44:46
Ezza1 Fri 18-Oct-13 22:45:50

I My PFB used to like the cheesy broccoli jar - can't remember if it was Heinz or not.

The only 'baby food' that makes me shudder is rice cakes envy < vomit.

OP, we are all entitled to our opinions, many people have found jarred baby food a godsend. Granted, some of it looks dodgy, smells bleurgh and tastes uugh to a sophisticated palate but babies in the main do enjoy them and they are nutritionally sound. And it rarely stops a baby from progressing to proper home cooked food.

Fwiw, I hate fish but cook it every week for my DCs who love it.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:46:22

So 2 tired, when choosing a childcare provider you wouldn't give a care about what they would feed your child? Asda smartprice lasagne all round would be fine then?

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 22:46:45

And it is not comparable to pot fucking noodle

2tiredtocare Fri 18-Oct-13 22:47:39

I dont have child are provider thanks, as I said I dont really jar feed but hate your attitude

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:49:11

but jars of baby food is junk food. Hence why my OP said it should be used in emergencies. Have you read the link I just posted?There's plenty of others if you need more

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:50:34

So you hate my attitude that I want to feed my mindees really good , nutritionally sound home cooked food? How odd.

Crowler Fri 18-Oct-13 22:53:28

I find the jars weird. I don't understand it either. Sorry. It's so easy to make your own, unless you have absolutely zero cooking going on in your kitchen.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 22:57:55

2tired to reply?

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 22:58:38

I hate your attitude because you're judging the person who not only isn't committing any crime or moral wrong but who also pays your wages.

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:01:41

So you hate my attitude that I want to feed my mindees really good , nutritionally sound home cooked food? How odd.

No not that. I just hate your nasty sneery judgmental attitude.

TheDoctrineOfSpike Fri 18-Oct-13 23:02:18

Junk food is high in sugar, salt, fat etc.

Whilst Heinz might use thickeners and other things that aren't 100% as nature intended, I would have thought they are less "junk food like" than, say, pasta sauce in a jar which most people wouldn't describe as junk food.

emopod Fri 18-Oct-13 23:04:35

What I don't understand is why OP asked 'AIBU?' when clearly, despite a resounding 'YES' from the audience, she has no desire to have that question answered unless everyone agrees with her.

OP, yes YABU. And a judgemental snotty-pants to boot.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:06:31

So, what would you prefer? A CM who feeds the lo's crap, or one that feeds them proper food? Because this is what the argument seems to have boiled down to.
really interested to know if I'm wasting my time and money on decent food..

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:12:57

I'd prefer a nursery, actually. If I employed a CM I'd prefer the person I employ not to criticise or judge my perfectly legal, morally acceptable parenting decisions.

If that means choosing a CM who doesn't, in your opinion, feed them "proper food" then so be it.

Personally I think it's the woman who's employing you who's wasting her money.

My 7 month old won't touch nice home made stuff. She'll eat stuff from jars, pouches and that awful powdered baby porridge that is frankly just sugar. It upsets me tbh. I've taken to mixing home made into ready made to try and trick her.

Any advice? You are obviously passionate about this subject.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:15:15

housecleaner I'm not employed by the parents. I charge them. I'm self employed.

ClayDavis Fri 18-Oct-13 23:16:44

Do you really, really not get this or do you get it and just don't care? Although I'm not really sure which is worse. People aren't saying they wouldn't use you because of your opinions on food. I think most would much rather have a CM that fed their children home cooked food.

The problem is the massive lack of professionalism you have shown in posting your opinions in the way you have. Having an opinion is fine, posting it on MN is fine, posting it whilst being judgemental about the parents of one of your mindees is NOT fine.

Hopefully the parent won't find it and decide to report to OFSTED, because I suspect they would take a very dim view of this. You really do need to ask for this to be deleted OP.

cory Fri 18-Oct-13 23:18:10

"AIBU to think that except in emergencies babies should be fed food you would be happy to eat yourself "

Oh dear- I breastfed mine shock

Now how many adults would like to eat that...

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:20:30

Worcestershire. Hard to say really. Usually if you let them "steal" stuff off your plate they are more willing to try it. We all eat together and the lo's cruise round and are fed mouthfuls by whoever they "beg" next to.
This doesn't mean they are starving to whoever wants to jump down my throat. They mooch about being interested in the food and are given tasters of it. This will be after they have sat in a highchair with their own bowl of food and knife and fork ( again to fend off the skaters)

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:22:17

I'm judgemental about the rankness of Heinz baby food, not the parents.
Yet again, the parents agreed the jar was rank.

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:23:40

I'm self employed too, moogy. I charge my clients too. I do know how it works and you're being pedantic.

It doesn't make a stuff of difference. If your clients or mine don't like the way the person they pay does things or finds that person patronising, judgemental and up their own arse the individual wouldn't be able to charge the client for very much longer because the client will take their business elsewhere.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:25:51

You see the thing is, the parents love how I look after their children. They love not only the food I provide, but everything else. What one set of parents and I have decided we don't like is Heinz jars.
Is that really worthy of all the vitriol?

ringaringarosy Fri 18-Oct-13 23:27:23

I dont think theres anything wrong with saying that you shouldnt feed your kids something that you would refuse to eat yourself,and most of us wouldnt want to eat jars of baby food,not because its baby food,but because its disgusting.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:29:40

Ringaringarosy thank you. I'm still perplexed as to why I'm being so slated because I want children to have decent food. Most parents want that, surely from their chidcarer.

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:30:24

The children aren't required to sit at the table but are allowed to wander around taking/asking for/being given food from whoever's plate they like?

Hell no to that!

Is that standard in UK childcare these days?

Beeyump Fri 18-Oct-13 23:30:59

I don't think this is all about Heinz... (Heinz! Heinz!)

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:31:15

what would you prefer? A CM who feeds the lo's crap, or one that feeds them proper food?

Hmm, what would I prefer? A nursery I think. Or if I went with a child minder then not one that judges and is sneery like you.

Btw, i'm self employed. If the people who provide me with work don't like me for whatever reason, then they go get someone else to do the job. Which means I don't get paid. The same actually goes for you, believe it or not. They are paying you to do a job. End of.

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:33:02

The children aren't required to sit at the table but are allowed to wander around taking/asking for/being given food from whoever's plate they like?

Hell no to that too.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:34:11

*The children aren't required to sit at the table but are allowed to wander around taking/asking for/being given food from whoever's plate they like?

Hell no to that!

Is that standard in UK childcare these days?*

No, I quite clearly said the lo's sit in a highchair and are given their food. Once they get bored they get down and wander around the dining room. .

Beeyump Fri 18-Oct-13 23:34:12

''the lo's cruise round and are fed mouthfuls by whoever they "beg" next to.''

Sounds great hmm

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:37:05

" Once they get bored they get down and wander around the dining room. "

It was that part which I was asking the question about. You quite clearly said something I quite clearly understood.

What I asked was is it standard UK childcare practice these days.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:39:49

Please try to read the replies people,
So you have a small toddler. They sit at the highchair, have dinner then mooch about in the dining room getting extra bits off the other children.
this extra food is mostly strewn as they're already full.
Is this another thing to make me a bad CM or is this what most parents do

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:41:40

We all eat together and the lo's cruise round and are fed mouthfuls by whoever they "beg" next to.

Really? Not in my house they don't. Children eat at the table. They don't wander round begging for food off peoples plates.

jacks365 Fri 18-Oct-13 23:42:32

No my toddler stays in her highchair until we've all finished and leave the table. It's good manners and I would expect a cm to teach that.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:42:38

Unless I have very odd children, then yes, after they have eaten they tend to get bored at the dinner table until they are about 5 or 6 years old.
Do most people force a 2 year old to sit at the table for 40 minutes??

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:44:55

Do most people force a 2 year old to sit at the table for 40 minutes??

Force? No forcing. They are eating their food, same as everyone else.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:45:06

You know, I remember a thread where someone was complaining that their CM was making their 3 year old sit at the table until everyone was finished eating and the CM was roundly slated.
I take it our opinion has changed?

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:45:48

"Please try to read the replies people,
So you have a small toddler. They sit at the highchair, have dinner then mooch about in the dining room getting extra bits off the other children.
this extra food is mostly strewn as they're already full.
Is this another thing to make me a bad CM or is this what most parents do"

That's what I'm asking! Is this standard in UK childcare these days? I've read the responses but you've yet to reply.

Wandering around the table is sure not something I would do nor would I have my childcare provider allow it. In this house you sit at the table if you want to eat and you wait until the meal is over before you wander around.

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:48:59

Huh? My children don't eat at record speed. It works out similar to everyone else. No need to force anyone. Dinner comes to a natural end. But definitely no leaving the chair to pick off other peoples plates. Thats bad manners.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:49:25

Once a baby/ small child has had enough food they do not want to sit in the highchair. I get them out , put them on the floor and they mooch about being messed with by the other children and taking the occasionally bit of food off them.
Fucking hell I'm a bad CM

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:50:52

Really. So all you people who have had babies have never had a baby who wants to get down from a highchair?

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:51:28

I take it our opinion has changed?

Whats the our here? Mumsnet is made up of lots of different people with different opinions. Its not a single entity you know.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:52:27

We're talking babies / young toddlers in case there's any confusion here

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:52:27

I wonder if all the parents actually know that their children are being taught that it's ok to wander about at mealtimes and it's ok to take off others' plates? Do they actually buy into that crap or are they unaware that such bad manners are being taught?

I still don't know if the practice is standard in UK childcare.

AlbertoFrog Fri 18-Oct-13 23:53:38

Evening OP. Sorry you're being given such a hard time. DS's CM is wonderful but she doesn't provide meals. I always make a little extra at each meal so I can freeze toddler sized portions for DS's lunches.

Occasionally DS gets one of those special toddler meals if we're eating a hot curry or some such but mostly he eats what we do.

I totally agree with you that some of the jars smell (and taste) rank but our DS liked them and they came in handy some days when we'd had a run of sleepless nights and all DH and I could face was a pot noodle.

I love the fact you provide home cooking. Keep up the good work and don't let all this get to you.

BrianTheMole Fri 18-Oct-13 23:53:40

Once a baby/ small child has had enough food they do not want to sit in the highchair. I get them out , put them on the floor and they mooch about being messed with by the other children and taking the occasionally bit of food off them.
Fucking hell I'm a bad CM

You wouldn't be for me, but everyone seeks different qualities.

cory Fri 18-Oct-13 23:54:16

Why do you have this enormous need either to judge other people or call yourself a bad childminder?

You don't approve of the food this parent sends in- doesn't make her a bad parent.

Most of us would not approve of our toddlers being allowed to wander around the table and distract people who are still eating- doesn't make you a bad childminder.

Personally I would prefer my children to be looked after by somebody who wasn't quite so dramatic in her reactions.

(and preferably somebody who encouraged better table manners- if a child can't sit at a table surely they could be set up with some activity at some distance from the table, not walking around begging like a badly behaved dog).

TheHouseCleaner Fri 18-Oct-13 23:54:50

Of course I and I assume most other people have had babies and toddlers who want to get down from a highchair. That doesn't mean that they're allowed to get down before the meal's over or that they're allowed to continue eating by means of wandering around the dining room and taking from others' plates.

Want doesn't always = get.

AlbertoFrog Fri 18-Oct-13 23:56:42

p.s. DS is 2 and sits at the table with us to eat but generally asks "please may I leave the table" before we're quite finished. Yes, I let him get down and play while DH and I finish our meal.

I have bigger problems to worry about.

moogy1a Fri 18-Oct-13 23:59:40

Thanks Albert. At the moment I'm still a little shell shocked that I am being slated for giving my mindees good food.

BrianTheMole Sat 19-Oct-13 00:00:45

You're not being slated for that op though, and you know that really.

cory Sat 19-Oct-13 00:00:56

Alberto, letting him play is one thing, letting him wander around and take food from somebody else's plate and strew it round the room- as the OP does - is totally different. I would really not have liked my dc to have been taught such table manners.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 00:03:22

p.s. DS is 2 and sits at the table with us to eat but generally asks "please may I leave the table" before we're quite finished. Yes, I let him get down and play while DH and I finish our meal.
That's lovely and really nice but I have los of 10 months or s0

TheHouseCleaner Sat 19-Oct-13 00:03:48

"I am being slated for giving my mindees good food."

That's a bit disingenuous moogy, isn't it?

You're not. You're being slated for being judgy and sneery. You're being questioned about allowing an unusual and IMHO undesirable way of behaving at mealtimes. You're not being slated for giving mindees good food.

BrianTheMole Sat 19-Oct-13 00:06:52

That's lovely and really nice but I have los of 10 months or s0

Start as you mean to go on....

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 00:08:53

My lo's have beautiful table manners because they copy the older ones and know how to behave without being forced into it

Bogeyface Sat 19-Oct-13 00:10:05

I'm still a little shell shocked that I am being slated for giving my mindees good food.

Spectacularly missing the point. You are not being slated for feeding them "good food". You are being slated for being a judgey pants food snob, there is a massive difference.

Bogeyface Sat 19-Oct-13 00:10:30

And shell shocked?! Over reaction, much?

cory Sat 19-Oct-13 00:11:39

Well, some of us would not count taking food from other people's plates or begging at the table as beautiful table manners.

In fact, I don't know anyone who would consider that an acceptable way of having a meal. Except possibly my great-aunt - though in her case it was a poodle.

BrianTheMole Sat 19-Oct-13 00:13:13

My lo's have beautiful table manners because they copy the older ones and know how to behave without being forced into it

Doesn't sound like it to me, but as I said, everyone seeks different qualities in a child minder...

cory Sat 19-Oct-13 00:13:54

The original premiss - that something that does not taste appetising to an adult must therefore be bad for a baby - falls down when you consider that many 10mos are still having breastmilk. Which is certainly not appetising to most adults.

The only way to see if the jar food is bad for the baby is to read the label.

TheHouseCleaner Sat 19-Oct-13 00:14:07

Leaving the table before others have finished, wandering around with food in hand, cruising around the dining room and taking/asking for food from others' plates is not how I would define "beautiful table manners".

I really think that you have some odd ideas OP.

I still wonder whether the parents buy into this new idea way of learning how to eat and how to behave at table or whether they're totally oblivious as to what their children are allowed to do.

zippey Sat 19-Oct-13 00:16:34

He made food isn't always good food or tasty. Just as vegetarian food isn't necessarily healthy. Jar foods can be integral to a healthy diet to a little one.

And I wouldn't drink formula or breast milk, so the argument that you should be willing to eat what baby eats doesn't stack up.

Try Heinz creamy chicken curry as a tasty alternative.

Bogeyface Sat 19-Oct-13 00:19:58

I have a just 2 year old and now, she doesnt get down from the table before anyone else. As for taking food from others like they are feeding a pet, words fail me that you think that constitutes beautiful table manners.

Fucking hell I'm a bad CM

At least we agree on something.

Bogeyface Sat 19-Oct-13 00:20:18

no, not now

HaroldLloyd Sat 19-Oct-13 01:14:08

You keep saying the parents agree with you, did you tell them he was a "poor bugger" who was obviously "used to it" as he ate it?

I can't honestly see why you don't understand how this thread went bad.

HaroldLloyd Sat 19-Oct-13 01:15:27

Jars are not full of crap either. It's not a comparison of a cooked meal and a donner kebab.

PansOnFire Sat 19-Oct-13 02:20:59

You're not being slated for giving your mindees home cooked food your OP was a judgement about using jarred food and your subsequent posts have been negative judgements on people who choose to use jars.

Others have then jumped on the bandwagon to join in slating those choices which serves no legitimate purpose other than to belittle the choices of other people. Get over yourself. A jar is hardly a pot noodle or dinner kebab equivalent and a mix of jars and home cooked food is perfectly healthy.

TheDoctrineOfSpike Sat 19-Oct-13 07:03:04

Do you disapprove of jars of pasta sauce, OP?

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 07:36:25

Yes sorry I went to bed OP didnt realise it was compulsory to stay up arguing the toss with you. You are being disengenous to pretend this is about me mot wanting CM's to give good food, I want you to give your mindees what their parents ask you to without slagging it off on the internet. I never gave my 1st any jars etc so would get stuck in an emergency as she wouldnt eat them, And for the last time your comparision of jars to adult ready meals, fruit shoots, coke and sausage rolls in inaccurate and pathetic. Those things contain salt, caffeine, trans fats etc all the things jars do not

MissStrawberry Sat 19-Oct-13 07:42:13

People are obviously not saying you should feed the children you are paid to look after crap. People don't care what you do. What some of us are saying is that you have a really bad attitude and cooking nice food does not make up for that. The problem is your attitude, your holier than thou shit, not what you feed the kids.

You didn't answer my question earlier so I will repeat it. You said you couldn't bring yourself to try the jarred food, why would you, it wasn't yours?!

MissStrawberry Sat 19-Oct-13 07:48:13

Going around begging is NOT good table manners!

If the children who are giving away their food do it as they are full, give them less. The children who are begging are still hungry, give them more!

Chunderella Sat 19-Oct-13 08:14:59

Moogy you're being slated for your unprofessional attitude more than your views on food. I would be delighted to have a CM who prioritised good, healthy home cooked stuff as you do. I also have no problem with the DC wandering around asking for stuff from plates- that's quite normal in many families and indeed probably closely replicates what humans have evolved to do, so no pearl clutching here on that score. But I'd be incandescent if you posted about me and my DC on MN. I'd bet my left tit that your mindee's mum would also be, even though she said herself the jar was crap.

Also, the study you linked to is 20 years old and refers to the USA. I'm neither agreeing with nor disputing its major findings on the contents of commercial baby foods (though there's certainly some crap in there, like the claim that all food except bananas must be well cooked). But if you want to include material that's two decades old and doesn't refer to British or even EU food products at all, I think the onus is on you to explain why it's relevant.

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 19-Oct-13 08:25:09

OP has not been unprofessional at all. It would be unprofessional to belittle a parent to her face about the choice of choosing a rank smelling jar and make her feel bad. She hasn't done that.

She has expressed an opinion about not feeding jars day in day out on a forum where this type of discussion is the norm. It's a perfectly valid opinion. I agree with OP I couldn't bring myself to feed mine jars day in day out. Just occasionally and then just the pouches because they don't smell. Although I found the fruit purée pots quite good. But I can cook, wanted to cook and really enjoyed it.

I hate the notion that because the OP is a CM she cannot have an opinion on baby nutrition. Surely it's our job to have an opinion/ knowledge in this area. There are frequent newspaper articles based on scientific research that say that actually jars have poor nutritional content, particularly the meat ones that sometime only contain 3% meat. Health visitors strongly promote home cooked food inline with what parents eat less the salt content, which is pretty easy to take out of the cooking process. So it is a notion supported by the NHS. But because a childminder has dared to mention it all the research and fact goes out of the window. hmm

Chunderella Sat 19-Oct-13 08:29:17

She has been magnificently unprofessional slagging off the parents of a mindee, on a public and extremely popular forum, where she has previously used her real name. It's not inconceivable that someone who knows her could work out who she's talking about. If it isn't unprofessional, no doubt she'll be happy to send mindees mum a link to this thread.

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 19-Oct-13 08:31:56

Thought it was anonymous.

BergholtStuttleyJohnson Sat 19-Oct-13 08:51:18

Ds1 refused to eat home cooked purees so from 7-10 months he had one jar a day, he had porridge for breakfast and was offered a bit of our evening meal. At 10 months he started eating sandwiches and other finger foods so had that instead of the jar. He was also formula fed from 2 weeks old. He's a fantastic eater now aged 3. ds2 refused all food including jars until he was a year old, he's breastfed and still at 19 months gets most of his nutrition from breastmilk because he's so fussy with food. Fussy eaters are fussy eaters and I don't think having jars affects it.

MrsDeVere Sat 19-Oct-13 08:59:41

Of course it is unprofessional.
You don't talk about your work on MN like this.
Its bloody stupid.

It is very easy to check out who someone is if you have an inkling you know them. This is a parenting site with thousands of members.

I am assuming the OP doesn't have hundreds of mindees so she can only be talking about one of a handful of families.

If you want to discuss jar food you don't need to bring work into it.

I have told this story before but perhaps it needs repeating.
YOung woman on NM with a very similar op but regarding clothing.
I said perhaps she should not be posting stuff about her work.
Other posters told me to shut up and what did I know, how stupid and hysterical I was being etc.

PM'd the woman to say I was just trying to help and it was easy to find out stuff from what she had posted.
She got all cocky and said 'you are bluffing' confused

PM'd her back five minutes later with her name, place of work, college, church and where she lived!

I told her I was deleting it all, I wasn't interested in outing her but she had left a very obvious trail and could lose her job.

Never heard back from her.

I work with families too OP. You have to know how sensitive people are about this stuff.
Fair or not, you don't have a leg to stand on if they complain.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:11:17

"You don't talk about work on Mn like this"
There are posts day in and day out talking about work.
And anyway, I was talking about Heinz baby food ( which as a childcare provider I should have an opinion on child nutrition ) not work as such.

pianodoodle Sat 19-Oct-13 09:12:08

I just started straight onto softish finger food mostly veg and stuff. I couldn't be arsed with puree and we couldn't afford to buy the jars anyway they seemed quite dear when we could just cobble some grub for DD out of our usual food shop.

I think it's fine if the OP doesn't like the smell or personally wouldn't feed a jar at every meal. I can kind of see why people got annoyed but some of the reactions seem a bit strong the OP wasn't all that bad surely?

IsabelleRinging Sat 19-Oct-13 09:14:56

Bloody hell. I am with the OP, jars ok for occasional convenience but can't be as good as fresh home-cooked food.

Since when were people not allowed to judge MN? If someone told me they fed their baby exclusively on jars I would judge them as a lazy arse who wasn't very interested in their poor baby's nutrition.

ballinacup Sat 19-Oct-13 09:16:47

I'm confused. Why do people on these threads always say "I FF/fed jars because XYZ"? You do not need to justify your reasons! You don't even need to have a reason! DS was FF and ate pretty much nothing but jarred food because that's what I chose to do and I couldn't give even half a fuck what anyone else thought about that!

Bogeyface Sat 19-Oct-13 09:18:58

Thought it was anonymous.

You thought wrong. You would be very surprised how easy it would be to go through someones posts on MN and build up a very large amount of information, sufficient enough to do what MrsDeVere did. THats because most people forget that just because you post your town on one thread, your job on another, the number of children on another and your dogs name on another doesnt mean that they are not searchable and linkable.

If I thought I might be the mother the OP is referring to, that would be worth doing in order to find out.

Bogeyface Sat 19-Oct-13 09:20:44

If someone told me they fed their baby exclusively on jars I would judge them as a lazy arse who wasn't very interested in their poor baby's nutrition.

Well that says far more about you than about them, Westie has already posted about her health issues but hey, dont let that get in the way of being an utter snob.

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:21:40

Ha, i love your last sentence there - "I was talking about heinz baby food (*which as a childcare provider i have an opinion on child nutrition*) not work as such"

So you were talking about work then - as a childcare provider.

There are 19 pages of debate over this, with, if i remember rightly, a couple of posters getting really upset, possibly a small amount of debate over whether or not pre-prepared baby food is vile or not vile (its a multi-milllion pound business, i dare say it would have fallen pretty flat if it only produced vile food). The main point of all the hooo haaa is that you were bloody unprofessional, slating a client on a forum, which i understand you have your full name on so she would be identifiable.

You don't really do much more for your case by coming back on and being petulant and snarky, have you not heard the saying - when in a hole..........

"little one wolfed it down"...............err maybe he liked it then! My DD wolfs down macaroni cheese (Cooked from scratch), it makes me gag, should i not let her have it then because i don't like it?

Seriously, admit that your trivial comment has made you look like an arse and move on.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:25:28

No, the food was rank.
Home cooked food is always better.
Plenty of research shows baby food is full of fillers.
CM's are obliged BY LAW to provide nutritious food, which lots of baby food isn't
Lots of people are getting arsey because they feel guilty about feeding jars to their babies.
I'm not arsed if the parent is reading this because she knows my views and agrees with them.
MN is full of judginess every day so just because I'm a CM doesn't mean I can't have an opinion.

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:25:40

Can i ask a genuine question - are there any actual nutritionists on here? Because baby food is adverstised as being full of nutrients etc, its kinda how they sell themselves, i assue they are nutritionally balanced. Wasn't there a five a day campaign to encourage folk to eat more veg - didn't it say that it didn't matter if it was from a tin? Didn't it say, frozen was better than fresh?

Yeah, home cooked is better, i used to home cook for my DD, but she had a good proportion of jars, The OPs opinion, as a child minder rather than a qualified nutritionist, HV or doctor wouldn't matter a fig to me.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:28:12
LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:28:45

She doesn't agree with you, she probably thinks you are barking, if she agreed with you she would have not been giving the child the food would she hmm She was probably just making the right noises just to get you to shut up and do your job.

Is that filler like decorators put on the wall???

Thing is, i don't think anyone here has said that prepared baby food is better than home cooked though. REally, you are making yourself look a bit deranged now.

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 09:29:43

moogy you are so wrong, I dont jar feed but im arsey with you for the reasons i've said numerous times, dont try and cop out. And some of you need to RTFT

TheMoonInJune Sat 19-Oct-13 09:31:25

Moogy your full name and location is on this site, it would be easy for not only this mindee's parents but for others to find it in the future.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:31:28

Have you looked at the links yet?
LEM , the mum gave me the food as a one off to use it up before it went off. It was her emergency jar. She doesn't think I'm barking. She thinks I'm fab

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 09:31:56

Oh and its got fuck all to do with you being a CM you are talking about someone elses child and choices, you'd get the same reaction if you came on as a mother comparing jars to junk

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:32:13

MOON I've said a few times the parents agree with me so it doesn't matter if I'm identifiable.

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 09:33:00

Fab grin

TheMoonInJune Sat 19-Oct-13 09:34:59

It's a bit of a leap from the "child was obviously used to it ... poor bugger" remark to the "it was a one off!" though!

I don't like some of the more goady posts but honestly I would be really annoyed and upset if this was my child and it has completely put me off using a childminder at all to be honest.

MrsDeVere Sat 19-Oct-13 09:35:39

Grow up.
If you work in any sort of social care you should KNOW that you do not post anything other than very generalised stuff on-line.

So as a CM you can post till you are blue in the face about your dislike of jar food.
As soon as you link that dislike to an actual parent/child you are being stupid.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:37:05

it has completely put me off using a childminder at all to be honest.
Yeah, we're all such bastards wanting to give the kids decent food. Much better off with chicken nuggets and super noodles ( standard fare in a lot of nurseries

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:37:54

"the mum gave me the food as a one off to use it up before it went off. It was her emergency jar. She doesn't think I'm barking. She thinks I'm fab"

So what the ACTUAL FUCK does it matter, it was her emergency jar - so not his staple food - come on OP, admit it, you made a boo boo starting this thread, you reallyl didn't think it through. Ive done it loads of times myself - but i have the decency to admit to being a bit inconsiderate or changed my view once i had actually thought about it. IT IS OK TO ADMIT YOU MIGHT HAVE MADE A BOO BOO.

I don't need to look at the links, i know that a diet of 100% processed food is not ideal. I don't have a problem with it, you are right - they are generally a bit crap and do smell like dog food, but they are OK, the odd meal to add a bit of variety etc, when you don't have time to pre-cook etc is ok, it was your judgey mc judge pants attitude that got me.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:37:58

Have we all had a chance to read the links yet?

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 09:39:46

Patronising much?

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:39:53

WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT THE LINKS! It is not the fucking point!

TheMoonInJune Sat 19-Oct-13 09:40:32

Oh God - why am I wasting my time!? grin

I'm starting to think you have a problem reading, moogy, honestly! It's NOTHING to do with what you feed them, as countless others have said! It's to do with lip-curling at what the parent feeds the child and to do with posting it on what is probably the most public board of the most public forum going!

I'd rather my child ate chicken nuggets than come home to find my parenting choices were plastered over the most public forum there is!

Do you not get it - if YOU are identifiable, SO IS THE CHILD!

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:40:58

FFS. My op clearly said it was a one off. I clearly also said I don't understand why you would feed this crap day in day out. I said as an emergency / odd time it's OK but that surely there can't be people who feed it all the time.
You are agreeing with my Op. ( which must irk you)

TheMoonInJune Sat 19-Oct-13 09:41:58

Little one wolfed it down though so obviously used to the taste

That's from your OP - nothing about it being a one off confused

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:42:16

Why do you not want to look at the links.
My point was the food is crap.
You all seem to disagree.
Someone asked for proof that it's crap.
I provide proof
You don't want to read it.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:42:35

A one off in my house

MrsDeVere Sat 19-Oct-13 09:42:55

Nothing wrong with a chicken nugget.
And why would they use super noodles when plain noodles are cheaper and just as easy to cook?

You seem a bit obsessed, but not overly educated, about food.

Enough to start a thread about someone who pays you to look after their child and their choice of food for their baby.

You must really, really, really care about it to take that sort of risk.

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 09:43:30

Moogy Im willing to get my first deletion to tell you to fuck off you are either deliberately missing the point or so thick you shouldnt be looking after kids

TheMoonInJune Sat 19-Oct-13 09:43:37

We don't disagree with the food being crap, we're saying that it's wrong, unfair and unprofessional to link this to a child and her parents.

needasilverlining Sat 19-Oct-13 09:43:47

You've also commented, in dismissive tones, about what the mother says she feeds her child at home.

Time to give up, I think, people. OP either a master at PA deliberately not getting the point (in which case I wouldn't want her looking after my child) or terminally slow on the uptake (see previous brackets) or entirely unable to grasp a different point of view/perspective (see previous brackets).

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:44:27

since when are news articles proof?? THAT is why i cannot be bothered to look at the link.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:44:34

"Baby food from shops half as nutritious as homemade meals, study finds"
there you go. I'll just give you the headline to start you off

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:45:57

since when are news articles proof
When they're reporting scientific research

2tiredtocare Sat 19-Oct-13 09:46:23

Fuck this

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:48:06

Tell you what OP - if you can provide me with a link to a peer reviewed reveiw (review not research article, as the whole point of publishing research articles is to present one or two points of salient scientific evidence rather than making a sweeping judgement like yours) in a recognised nutrition or scientific publication, i'll read it for you. News paper article where their science editors have been known to get things a bit wrong, i can't be arsed.

jacks365 Sat 19-Oct-13 09:48:21

Lemis try reading the links, you're an intelligent sensible person and I suspect you'll get as much as a laugh out of them as me.

Op you've put too much information om mn in general and discussing what a mindees mum chooses to feed them on an internet forum when both you and the mum can be identified is wrong.

NotYoMomma Sat 19-Oct-13 09:50:00

your OP and your later posts dont really match and it it quite pathetic funny how you are deliberatley missing the point. its not about the food at all

its still not crap really though, its mainly veg, its just not as good wink

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:50:05

If you want to know where to start in your search, you should try PubMed or Google scholar. Read a few abstracts and then come back and present your argument. Have fun

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:50:30

Op you've put too much information om mn in general and discussing what a mindees mum chooses to feed them on an internet forum when both you and the mum can be identified is wrong
Why? Are people going to come round and throw jars of food at my house?!

Feminine Sat 19-Oct-13 09:51:24

op I have really read your first post.

You should have only asked if Heinz were disgusting?

you did say that I agree.

But, with all the other nuggets thrown in later, you have upset some parents here.

When you knock a choice you will always run the risk of hurting somebody quite badly.

You know, I think posters have been cross with you because you have crossed a line.

I believe you didn't start this in a mean spirited way...but you've been here a while right? you had to know it might sting?

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 09:54:55

You klnow what. I got arsey because I asked if Heinz was particularly revolting and got told things like I was fucking vile, shouldn't be looking after children etc.
So yes, I'm now very arsey

fromparistoberlin Sat 19-Oct-13 09:56:42

firstly am very disappointed to see the usual pack mentality bulllying at the OP, and no suprise at some of the names

secondly, we expect the following groups to feed people fresh food:

old peoples homes
childrens homes

AND YET there is a baffling blanket acceptance thats its prefectly OK to feed a small baby on a "chicken casserole" thats so packed with chemicals that it can sit on a shelf for 6 months

I dont think its "food snobbery", really suprised that people think that just because you are 7 months its suddenly OK to be fed processed food three times a day

and yes I know we all use them for emergencies/travel etc.

But whilst I am no detective seeng a trolley full to the brim, indicates that its likely these kids are fed them 3 times a day.

and I personally think its a shame

needasilverlining Sat 19-Oct-13 09:57:38

Are you REALLY too thick to understand that your mindee's mum might object to being identified and criticised on the country's most popular site for parents?


LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 09:58:41

I think you need to gen up on data protection laws!

Oh and yeah, i read the links- happy now?? My opinion hasn't changed because they don't say anything i don't already know. Thing is "home cooked food" can range from nutritionally balanced, tasty food, in one case to another (which was often the case with my mother) inedible slop with very little variety and thought about getting all the right ingredients in. I would be interested to know what they mean by "home cooked food"

jacks365 Sat 19-Oct-13 09:59:37

No op but do you not think that perhaps people who do know who you are could see this. That the mother herself could get comments about you. That people talk, one thing I think nearly everyone will agree with is that discretion is required in a cm and the point is you have not been showing much. Irrespective of the fact you cook home made meals I wouldn't want you as a child minder, I'd rather provide my own food and have someone with a better attitude.

flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:01:27

"Why? Are people going to come round and throw jars of food at my house?!"

No - but they will be able to identify you, the children you look after and their parents.

Unless of course you are looking after pixie children that live with the fairies in under the bridge world.

NotYoMomma Sat 19-Oct-13 10:01:43

from Paris

it isnt about the food!
her thread title is about 'day in day out' but her post is about a specific mother

she then says its a one offand twists her tale

then she harps on about concerb for nutrients and how everyone else must feed chicken nuggets as standard faire

its about arsey snobbery on the internet

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:02:50

Jesus Christ. Read my replies.
I am not slagging off the mum.
I have said she uses them as an emergency.
I am slagging off jarred food.

All a little defensive about your use of crap food.

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 19-Oct-13 10:03:33

What I meant is I didn't realise OP had posted her name before.

I'm fully aware I or anyone else could be identified by what I have written. If someone decided to search through my old threads.

I try not to post anything that would offend though.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:03:47

No - but they will be able to identify you, the children you look after and their parents.


loopydoo Sat 19-Oct-13 10:04:14

Some of the jars I gave my two Hipp and cow and gate tasted really yummy and some of the fruit ones I did eat myself as a snack. Even dh liked them. They have to be nutritionally balanced or they wouldn't be allowed to sell them and yes they aren't as great as your own processed food but when you are on holiday or busy or whatever, baby food from a jar is ok.

You do seem to be quite judgemental in your opinion.....people have the information thrown at them from all angles......they make the choice.

However, what does annoy me is the fact the FSA still allow jars of first baby food from 4months when babies do not need anything other than breast milk until 6months. This is something that is ongoing though and I hope that soon, all baby food will be labelled from 6months.

PrimalLass Sat 19-Oct-13 10:04:58

chilli con carne, curry, bacon and egg, fish and chips from the chippy, thai fish cakes, sushi, salad, grilled lamb chops, grilled tuna steaks, grilled ribeye steak, pasta, wraps with fancy fillings. Are you telling me I could have liquidised any of those and served them to my baby?

I would have given my babies lots of that. I have a fond memory of DS gumming on lambchop bones (Just the main bone, all loose bits taken off) at 6 months.

The jars are mostly minging. OH did like finishing DS's Hipp veggie lasagne though. Heinz used to do a really smooth white fish one however, that DS loved mixed with a lentil and carrot puree thing.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:05:10

You know what. When I read posts I don't then look up what the OP has previously written and trawl through looking for identifying remarks.
I find it odd that some of you do

loopydoo Sat 19-Oct-13 10:05:47

I didn't mean your. Own 'processed food' not sure why I typed that..... Meant own homemade food!!! grin

Ezza1 Sat 19-Oct-13 10:06:32

Crikey. Who knew a simple jar of Heinz baby food could cause such uproar?

You have missed out a very important detail OP for us all to judge correctly - which Heinz jar was it? (apologies if you have already clearly stated this)

I'm very tempted to buy the chocolate pudding

fromparistoberlin Sat 19-Oct-13 10:07:14

people need to chillax

i know alot of mums and I am (to my embarassment!) the only one that uses MN

I think the chance of her mum idetifying herself are slim and remote

pack bullying I say

and she has not said anything that contraversial!!!!

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:08:02

Thanks Paris.

Svrider Sat 19-Oct-13 10:10:52

Not read all 500 posts, so apologies if this is out of step with rest of thread!
My HV was spectularly rubbish at weaning advice
This was also one of the few things I couldn't ask DM about coz she advocated egg custards and finely shredded chicken (I remember edwina currie and am still very wary of eggs and chicken)
With my PFB I was vey worried about giving her something wrong
At the time (using the leaflets given my the HV) I came to the (wrong) conclusion that the "safest" option was "proper" little jars, that were in my PFB addled mind designed for babies
It was genuiely all I fed my dd on from 4mo to around 10mo (and milk obv.)
I think you should cut this mum some slack OP
Perhaps she is muddling thru in the best way she can wink

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 10:11:00

No see, but if i were about to charge someone with the care of my child, i may well do a brief google search, looking for reviews etc. This thread would then come up, I would read it and look for another CM!

Loopy - that is a good point about the 4 month thing though. I don't think they should do that. Saying that, my DD1 is 23 now and i remember making HOME MADE food of mashed potato, cabbage and an OXO CUBE shock for her, for extra flavour (as advised by my HV! - i kid you not) when she was 4 months old. Move on 15 years to DD2 and I had the same HV, of course it was now known to be better to wean at 6 months - she looked horrified when i told her about DD1 and asked me who told me to do that - imagine the inner joy when i said "you did" grin

I honestly think people need to consider what they are posting before they actually do it.
The lovely poster up thread who called people that uses jars lazy.
The equally lovely OP who keeps changing her mind about the point of this thread by firstly insisting that the thread was just about this paticular brand and then spend god knows how long linking studies to prove that all jar food is crap.

Do not you not understand that not everyone is like you?

Do you just not get that people's circumstances could be completley different to yours and that feeding food from jars means that their children are being fed, the best way they can?
Do you honestly not understand that by being a sanctimonious, judgemental idiot you could be making someone who is already struggling feel a million times worse?

I don't have an "acceptable" reason to have used jars. My reason was I had a full time job, a 6 month old baby and it was acceptable to me for her to have jars and finger foods rather than home made puréed veg.
I couldn't care less if the whole of mumsnet think I am lazy and my poor children have a mother who doesn't care about their nutrition.
My DCs are good eaters. They eat like most teenagers I would imagine. They do eat junk food, quick, judge me on that as well. It might make you feel better.

No one on this thread, or anywhere on this site has the right or the authority to judge people on what they feed their children. And people who spend so much time worrying about what other people are doing with their children would be well advised to get a hobby or something. Because there's clearly something lacking in your own life.

It's lovely that their are so many perfect parents. It's a shame all these perfect parents have decided that this gives them to right to try and judge, embarrass and humiliate other less perfect parents

I would prefer to be a parent who is not perfect, but does her best, and has a bit of understanding and compassion, rather than a "perfect" one.

NotYoMomma Sat 19-Oct-13 10:11:23

im not defensive about my use of crap food. I used mainly home made stuff and blw - dd loved to feed herself v early.

you are being very stupid not to see what people are tellong you about privacy on theinternet and how anyone who disagrees must feed their baby crap.

you are deliberatley misrepresenting your initial posts and peoples replies

loopydoo Sat 19-Oct-13 10:12:39

Plus, baby led weaning has been proven to be the most suitable way to feed your baby under current guidelines. So really, pieces of food are better than jars as at six months baby can chew. Until then, babies do not have the three skills required (unicef Baby friendly initiative) to eat solid food. Sitting up without help, can chew rather than still having the reflex that pushes solid food out of mouth using tongue and can pick up food in their fingers and move it to their mouth and into it accurately.

Unless a baby has all three skills, then it is not ready for solid foods.

TheDoctrineOfSpike Sat 19-Oct-13 10:14:45

Nurseries don't serve chicken nuggets and super noodles. They are Ofsted inspected too, y'know.

Has anyone posted this yet?

The Truth About Baby Food Jars

flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:20:35

Again assuming you are genuine.

Do you really need it explained to you why that is completely unprofessional and how you may potentially be putting yourself and - even worse - you mindees and maybe their parents in danger?

NotYoMomma Sat 19-Oct-13 10:21:51

oh God get that God awful siteaway from me lol

NotYoMomma Sat 19-Oct-13 10:21:52

oh God get that God awful siteaway from me lol

flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:25:18

Spot on Tantrums.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:26:33

Do you really need it explained to you why that is completely unprofessional and how you may potentially be putting yourself and - even worse - you mindees and maybe their parents in danger
Yes I do need it explained.
As my full name and address are freely available to anyone looking for a CM through both a google search and given out by the council, I fail to see how it puts myself/ mindees in any more "danger"

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 19-Oct-13 10:27:53

Ofsted give mine out too, on their website.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:29:08

The local schools also give out my name and address.
Genuinely puzzled as to the putting people in danger remark

fromparistoberlin Sat 19-Oct-13 10:29:46

oh tantrums

I can tell you that as a parent i have done some stuff that many would frown on, I dare not even say!!!!

but the fact remains that to be human, is to judge!!!!

and in essence I agree with the OP

and i concede that there are good parents that use jars

but i am getting fucked off with the fact that people thinks its OK to be really rather vile to the OP

buts its AIBU what do i ecxpect!!!!

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:30:18

waiting for the explanation.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:32:31


flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:32:31

Because you are sharing personal details about your mindees on the internet!

fromparistoberlin Sat 19-Oct-13 10:32:53

"You know what. When I read posts I don't then look up what the OP has previously written and trawl through looking for identifying remarks.
I find it odd that some of you do

its meant to be bad form, so if you see this report them OP

what word begins with a "b" and ends with a "y"......

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:33:13

No I'm not.
I'm sharing my opinion on baby food.
Explain how that puts my mindees in danger

flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:33:49

And if you think your mindee's mum would agree with you then please feel free to forward this thread on to her.

PrimalLass Sat 19-Oct-13 10:35:08

No see, but if i were about to charge someone with the care of my child, i may well do a brief google search, looking for reviews etc. This thread would then come up, I would read it and look for another CM!

Or you could look her up and think, 'Oh good, she feeds her mindees proper homecooked food.'

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:35:18

How exactly am I putting the mindees in danger Flippin?

MaryPoppinsBag Sat 19-Oct-13 10:35:58

Does this thread come up when you google your real name OP?

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:37:14

I don't know. the first few results are usually the scientific papers I co authored.

IsabelleRinging Sat 19-Oct-13 10:38:43

People post stuff about their childminders all the time.

Most people read and comment on a thread. They don't trawl a posters history like the weirdos on this one.

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 10:39:12

oooh, ive co authored a couple of papers too - they weren't on nutrition though, were yours?

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:39:34


moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:40:10

No LEM they were on novel drugs for cancer

flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:40:10


moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:41:58

I'm waiting for the explanation as to how I'm putting my mindees in danger when my details are given out by myself/ the council/ OFSTED

TheMoonInJune Sat 19-Oct-13 10:44:54

How does remembering something somebody has previously posted make me a bully? grin It doesn't, does it, and it is a bit different to 'trawling through posts'!

The point here is that for example I am a teacher. If I had posted my real name elsewhere on the site and then posted about one of my students, being critical - no matter how mildly so - of his parents, it's not hard to understand that it would be seen as hugely unprofessional, and that's in a big secondary school. This is the same sort of thing.

If you absolutely HAD to post about it, the name change is helpful - and you could have posted in a way that didn't criticise openly - "AIBU to think it's silly to give babies jars and pouches" would have been fine, in my eyes anyway.

I actually agree with you. I am pregnant, I hope any jars or pouches will be rare - but whatever I do, I know some people will disagree with it, and I just hope the people I pay to look after her won't sneer about it on the most public forum for parents there is, through which I am identifiable as well as them.

LEMisdisappointed Sat 19-Oct-13 10:45:16

You surprise me moogy - because surely you should know better than most that quoting links from the "news" is not always going to be reliable, you could have easily linked to peer reviewed research - why didn't you?

flippinada Sat 19-Oct-13 10:45:26

Ok. danger is perhaps over-egging the pudding, and hands up, that was a unfair and I apologise - but do you genuinely not see how putting personal details about a mindee on the internet is completely inappropriate?

jacks365 Sat 19-Oct-13 10:46:13

Yes your details are given out but not details about your mindees and it's the fact you are discussing a mindee that I object to.

fairy1303 Sat 19-Oct-13 10:47:45

You have put me off using a childminder.

I am going to say this veeeerrrrrryyyyy sloowwwwwllllyyyy.

It is not about what you feed them.

It is about your attitude.

It is about your judgement of ANYONE who might give their babies jars.

It is about your disregard for any sort of client confidentiality by plastering your judgement all over the internet.

It is not your bloody choice what PARENTS feed their children. It is your job to support those parents and care for THEIR children in the way that they ask you to.

But thanks, OP, because I was struggling to decide between CM and nursery. Nursery it is!

paris it is not a requirement to judge people.

Going round tesco, and thinking "oh that terrible woman buying loads of jars, her poor baby" is not something that people just do

People judge in order to feel superior. They look at something and say "I am so much better than her because I would never be so lazy to buy jars. I cook all my child's food"

IMVHO people only need to feel superior to total strangers in this way if they are insecure.
I can honestly say that I have never noticed what is in someone's shopping trolley, or what they are feeding their child because I don't need to. I know I am not perfect but it doesn't matter because I do my best. That's good enough for my family.
I don't need to look at people and think I am better than them, so I can feel better about myself.
I know that people make different choices based on their circumstances and it is none of my business.
It doesn't mean because someone makes a different choice, that I am somehow better than them.
It just means we are all different people in different situations.

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:54:47

Again, what personal details have I put about the mindee.
I didn't post " little johnny smith from 22 acacia avenue appeared with a jar of food"

moogy1a Sat 19-Oct-13 10:57:07

Excellent fairy instead you can have the young girls who work at nurseries take the piss out of how you dress and that your hair looks crap. oh yes, surprisingly nursery workers do judge. These are both things I've heard nursery workers laughing about