To be saddened by 'glamour and bling' poppies?

(124 Posts)
LayMizzRarb Sun 06-Oct-13 11:47:41

Do people actually not understand what they represent? Am I alone in thinking that the poppy is a symbol of respect and remembrance for the hundreds of thousands of people who die in wars, and not as a fashion accessory ?
It's all very well the manufacturers saying they will give an amount of money per diamanté poppy sold to charity, but at the end of the day, they are still making a profit.

moustachio Sun 06-Oct-13 11:49:07

anything that supports the cause is positive though isn't it?

SpiritOfTheBuskersCat Sun 06-Oct-13 11:50:06

I don't understand the issue here.

Euphemia Sun 06-Oct-13 11:51:18

I've always bought a poppy but never wear it because I work with children, and poppies just fall off all the time.

I always wished there was a more substantial one I could buy, so thanks for alerting me to this! smile

Dobbiesmum Sun 06-Oct-13 11:51:38
Charlottehere Sun 06-Oct-13 11:53:01

I heart them

AngelsLieToKeepControl Sun 06-Oct-13 11:54:30

Why is it any less respectful to wear a diamante poppy than a normal one?

If it was just a fashion accessory then people wouldn't bother, they would wear something else instead, they are still showing their support, albeit in a more sparkly way.

PoppyWearer Sun 06-Oct-13 11:55:56

I feel qualified to speak on this subject (see nn!).

Personally I don't have a problem with the bling poppies - whatever sells! And the paper ones always fall off. I've been buying the wristbands and lapel pins for a few years now.

There were some lovely crocheted poppies being sold on eBay last year, with a share of the proceeds going to the Poppy Fund.

BrokenSunglasses Sun 06-Oct-13 11:56:00

I don't like them either, but the British Legion does produce some fancy poppies so I think it's up to them. Their main objective is to make money for their beneficiaries, and however they choose to do that is fine by me.

I'd rather see people wearing blinged up poppies than no poppy at all, but I agree that they aren't really in the spirit of the thing.

Weeantwee Sun 06-Oct-13 11:57:36

I have a sparkly gold British Heart foundation pin which I wear with pride on my jacket. I don't think it's supporting the cause any less than if I was wearing a plain red 'standard' one. Same applies to poppies.

BrokenSunglasses Sun 06-Oct-13 12:01:48

This thread is encouraging me to be a complete hypocrite! I've just looked on the website and they have some gorgeous stuff that I could wear when I'm selling poppies.

I'm torn between thinking its slightly tasteless, and the pretty poppy ring, necklace, bracelet.


Thants Sun 06-Oct-13 12:06:09

Can you explain the issue you have with them? So far no one has.

Dobbiesmum Sun 06-Oct-13 12:07:55

I'm considering those cuff links for DH, he has a shirt they'd look really smart with.

Timeforabiscuit Sun 06-Oct-13 12:09:28

Purely down to personal taste, my dad died on Remembrance Day - so for me it's a more somber occasion, but it's more important that people continue to support IMO

Preciousbane Sun 06-Oct-13 12:11:25

I had no idea you could buy British Legion stuff online. The diamanté ones are a bit much for me but am thinking of getting two lapel pins. I would still buy a paper poppy every year though as the guys that sell them in my home town always like a chat and still want to donate every year.

Tabby1963 Sun 06-Oct-13 12:11:38

Dobbies thanks for that link. I am spoiled for choice now but will definitely be buying one of the brooches from the RBL smile.

Sirzy Sun 06-Oct-13 12:12:10

My only issue with them would be the fact that you only pay for one and then you have it for life whereas the paper ones you have to buy a new one each year (in most cases!). BUT of course wearing a 'bling' poppy doesn't stop you from donating elsewhere anyway

diddl Sun 06-Oct-13 12:12:44

I like them, but wasn't the original poppy because veterans could make them?

I do like the "bling" ones, but can't afford one tbh.

Maybe making it "fashionable" is what has to be done to keep it relevant?

cocoleBOO Sun 06-Oct-13 12:17:57

I wear a small Buckly one on my coat and always buy a local label pin every year. Our RBL produce them and they have local landmarks on them with a poppy. I still give every year. The paper ones get lost and mangled.

The DDs have got a friendship bracelet this year, bought from the local RBL.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 12:18:18

I wonder its because once you buy one you don't need to ever buy another poppy again?
But if they cost ££££ you would have to buy a lot of paper poppies to donate the equivalent.

I sort of agree where the op is coming from. The poppies are supposed to be a dignified symbol of great loss. Blinging them up could be construed as being vulgar and missing the point.

I find it amusing to watch politicians and slebs try to out-poppy each other every November.

This didn't used to happen. I think its a bit weird.

diddl Sun 06-Oct-13 12:22:44

Just had a look on the site & there is some nice stuff, but I agree, that once bought, would that be it?

Also, is it meant to be worn year round as a piece of jewellry?

If you can afford the money, why not just donate instead of having something to show for it?

And buy a paper poppy to wear?

Perhaps this really is a case of "less is more"?

AnaisHendricks Sun 06-Oct-13 12:22:45

"I find it amusing to watch politicians and slebs try to out-poppy each other every November"

I bet a lot of them have had the same poppy for the last twelve years like Adrian Mole.

Sirzy Sun 06-Oct-13 12:33:25

That's a good point mrs devere, they do in a way seem to go against the whole purpose of a poppy.

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 06-Oct-13 12:36:54

I actually agree.

I remember seeing all of the X-Factor judges wearing diamonte ones a few years ago and thinking it was icky.

It's like "I will pay my respects with the rest of you, but I can afford to do it better than you."

I thought that poppies were a great leveller; 'normal' people wear them, as do the royals, politicians etc. But now Swarovski have got involved, there's a bit of one-upmanship about it. It's weird.

Idespair Sun 06-Oct-13 12:39:42

The bling poppies make money. Which is good. They can also be reused. Which is also good. I don't really see the problem.

Alisvolatpropiis Sun 06-Oct-13 12:41:21


If the RBL are selling them I feel less uncomfortable with it, it's the ones by random designers I really don't like.

It isn't something I would partake in though. I'll wear buy and wear the paper one again as I do every year.

I bought one from the RBL last year - it was £20 and since I usually buy a paper one for £1 I thought it was better.

I don't like waste so that's why I bought it as I can reuse it.

And when I can afford to give to charity, having a reusable poppy won't stop me hmm

samu2 Sun 06-Oct-13 12:44:14

I got the ring!

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 06-Oct-13 12:48:31

I can't even put my finger on why I don't like it.

I think it's the making a fashion accessory out of a symbol of respect and that celebrities can't sacrifice their image for a couple of weeks by wearing a simple paper poppy.

cocoleBOO Sun 06-Oct-13 12:51:27

I wouldn't buy one unless it was from the RBL.

I was brought up in the Army and was fasinated by the large poppy's favoured by older women at Rememberance parades. I was desparate for one hmm.

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 06-Oct-13 12:52:50

Our old headteacher used to wear a large poppy. Her husband was something to do with the Legion, I think.

BrokenSunglasses Sun 06-Oct-13 12:53:38

I've just bought the ring! I don't know why I feel guilty when I've just bought something from a charity I support, but I do!

It's not guilt because I won't buy paper ones anymore, because I will and I sell them in our local supermarket every year. There is something that seems wrong about it, but it's hard to identify. Probably that it's a symbol of suffering that has been made into something that is to be enjoyed, it just seems 'off'.

But then I justify it because it's sold by the charity that created the poppy symbol, so I don't know.

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 06-Oct-13 12:59:00

It's a bit different, but reminds me of very over-blinged crucifixes.

Crucifixes have lost their meaning, now. People just throw them on without really thinking about it. Whether you're a christian or not, a man was nailed to and tortured on a cross. Seems a bit off to wear a massive diamond-encrusted one round your neck.

perplexedpirate Sun 06-Oct-13 13:01:25

I've never really thought about crosses that way. You wouldn't wear a diamanté guillotine or thumb screw would you?
Hmm. Interesting.
<patents diamanté thumb screws>

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 06-Oct-13 13:04:07

Oh, I dunno, Pirate.

I've seen diamond encrusted guns (Rihanna wears one) Doesn't seem that far fetched to diamond encrust a guillotine! grin

PGTip Sun 06-Oct-13 13:05:51

I have a jewelled poppy as do my daughter and my mom. It's not disrespectful as I still donate every year to the Poppy Appeal I just don't have a paper poppy from them. I don't wear it as a fashion statement and have explained the significance of it to my children, they also understand why we continue to donate every year. The poppy is a symbol and wether it is bling or not is irrelevant.

Awks Sun 06-Oct-13 13:09:19

Reusing them isn't good though. The idea is that you buy one (and donate) every year isn't it?

PoppyWearer Sun 06-Oct-13 13:11:13

If you buy the lapel pin with the year on, it's the best of both worlds. Not too bling, but you have to buy a new one each year and they don't crumple like the paper ones.

Job done.

I think I own half the stuff from the Poppy Shop website. blush

perplexedpirate Sun 06-Oct-13 13:11:50

Please form an orderly queue for my diamond encrusted thumb screws (patent pending). smile

LittleMissWise Sun 06-Oct-13 13:12:13

I've got a Poppy ring. I bought it from the RBL a couple of years ago.

I love those diamanté poppy brooches, I might buy one actually. We have been buying the enamel poppy pins for a few years, but we always buy one with the date on so we have to buy them the following year.

Must buy some actually, DH is away I need to send his to him because the paper ones fall off and I am not sure where he'd actually put it on his uniform.

sashh Sun 06-Oct-13 13:13:32

I would like to know where they are made.

Giving profits is one thing but if they are made in say, a factory in China that exploits its workers, I don't want it.

mrsjay Sun 06-Oct-13 13:15:45

you can be respectful and wear a nice broach it still means you are supporting the cause, although hate seeing tv presenters wearing them that seems really false and patronising ,
dd2 has a small pin one she bought the other year it isnt blingy but it is nice and means ordinary ones dont fall off

MrsDavidBowie Sun 06-Oct-13 13:26:55

I sell poppies every dad was in Bomber Command, and afterwards an active member of the British kids we would make thousands of poppies.

I donate every year of course, but will be having a bling one this year as well from the BL. Don't see the issue.

Sirzy Sun 06-Oct-13 13:29:20

MrsJay - why is it false and patronising for one group to wear them but not everyone else?

FuckyNell Sun 06-Oct-13 13:31:01

I paid £25 for my poppy. I used to pay 50p a year. What's the big deal? All that crap about 'true meaning'. If I didn't care about the cause I wouldn't have spent £25 bloody quid would I?!

mrsjay Sun 06-Oct-13 13:32:43

It just seems that the TV companies have thought oh it is near poppy day lets get all the presenters etc a poppy ,

gordyslovesheep Sun 06-Oct-13 13:33:29

I don't wear a red poppy but I donate every year - maybe bling poppy wearers still donate without taking a new poppy

I'm not seeing the problem OP

I also think that as long as money is being raised, Poppies are fine to come in different styles.

The good thing to come out if this thread is the advertisement of the RBL online shop, the jute shopping bags are good value.

I don't like the designer clothes for the Breast Cancer Pink campaign that only donate £1, out of an item that costs over £40 and get free advertising, as part of the campaign, in media articles etc.

I would rather buy and keep a Poppy, as a piece of jewellery, them have one fall off on the pavement and see them being walked on, as happens every year. As said, it doesn't stop you donating, last year stickers were being given, as well as Poppies, by some sellers.

Howsuper Sun 06-Oct-13 13:40:46

YABU for using the word 'saddened'. And who cares what the poppies look like as long as they are doing their job?

hiddenhome Sun 06-Oct-13 13:43:45

I think that perhaps the OP is saddened by a symbol that represents the grief and pathos of the aftermath of WWI being turned into a cheap and nasty bling, bling piece of jewellery. People outdoing each other to find better and better ones where just a humble piece of paper would do is also a bit sad.

I suppose the bling, bling ones raise more money, but there is something nice about a simple, humble symbol that renders financial gain to a position of secondary importance.

If money is what is needed, then that's what comes first. Perhaps Rhianna could help design a C String one this year.

meditrina Sun 06-Oct-13 13:47:01

If OP really thinks the Royal British Legion 'does not understand' what the poppy represtents, then she is woefully under informed.


MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 13:52:17

The op didn't say that meditrina

Can there not be a discussion on MN without this sort of nastiness?

As a recipient of support from, and a member of, the British Legion, I think anything that raises money is good. Every single penny counts. There are still more than enough paper poppies made to keep the veterans that make them occupied. Few people are aware that wreaths are made and ordered all year round for funerals / memorials etc. The support of the Legion is more in demand now than at any time since WWII and literally anything that makes money is very very welcome.

I have a poppy permanently on my car, I have a Buckley poppy, a poppy wreath brooch and an umbrella. None of these stop me buying a paper poppy (or three, I always lose them) every year, or paying £6 a month membership, as does DH. It also doesn't stop us donating money to remember our friends with a poppy cross in the field of remembrance every year.

To be honest it irritates me when people make this same comment year on year. The RBL is a CHARITY it's purpose is to make money to support those who serve/d and their families. It isn't just to remember the fallen, although obviously that is utterly imperative too. They

Agh phone.

The simple fact is they need money all the time, a LOT of it, and paper poppy donations do not bring in enough to enable them to undertake the work that is so desperately needed, and it's needed now, by so so many.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 13:58:15

The OP is not about the RBL
It is very clear that is about manufacturers who give a small amount of their proceeds to the appeal.

WorraLiberty Sun 06-Oct-13 13:58:32

I think it's a great idea as long as people keep giving every year.

Me, DH and our 3 DCs buy the little poppy pins that have the year written on them.

Also DS3 likes to buy the wristbands.

flowery Sun 06-Oct-13 13:59:14

If you support the charity it's strange to be saddened by an effective and harmless fundraising technique.

Them again people also seem to forget that remembrance is not just about the dead, it's also about acknowledging the sacrifices made by the living, those who live in the shadow of their service long after it is over. The Legion is there for them.

meditrina Sun 06-Oct-13 14:04:17

"The op didn't say that meditrina. Can there not be a discussion on MN without this sort of nastiness?"

Yes she did - well, not word for word. But she criticised those support brings poppies, claiming they did not understand the significance. As they are sold by RBL, then it is exactly the British Legion that is being criticised.

And yes, I do find it a pity that the British Legion is so misunderstood. that's not nastiness, it is a reflection of my deep sadness that the RBL is criticised for its fundraising and merchandising choices.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 14:08:28

Poppies that are made and sold for a lot of money with the promise of a tiny amount of money being given to the charity.

NOT the RBL selling them. The OP did NOT link to the RBL. That was another poster who pointed out that the RBL sell the more blingy things.

Some of the shite sold (by other manufacturers) is absolutely making money on the back of the Poppy appeal without contributing very much.

That makes me pretty sad as it goes.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 14:11:31

The RBL misunderstood?
By whom confused

I have rarely seen it criticised anywhere. But every year people desperately try and make out that we are under siege from poppy hating bastards.

Just wait. The media will do their best to dredge up some health and safety/pc gorn mad/Islamic story to wind up middle England.

diddl Sun 06-Oct-13 14:16:46

I think I've just read that for the 10.00 GBP Buckley poppy, 3.33 GBP goes to the RBL.

I'm abroad & can't see a way of getting hold of stuff anyway!

meditrina Sun 06-Oct-13 14:19:25

The OP is criticising items which were introduced by RBL as wrong because the mere wearing of those items, to her, shows a lack of understanding of the nature of Remembrance.

I take the criticism of RBL-endorsed items to mean that the RBL is demonstrating the exact same lack of understanding.

And that is what I think is a shame, for I think RBl have been excellent custodians of what Remebrance means, and carrying it forward into new generations.

But is seems there are some who are not happy with items they endorse these days.

In 2nd para of OP, there is criticism of unscrupulous traders who rip off charity find-raising items. That is of course well placed. But unrelated to the criticism of what style of poppy is worn.

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 14:22:26

I'm saddened too. It's piggy-backing. I'd prefer all the money to go to charity, no matter how little. I wish the RBL didn't go along with it but I understand that they think it's better than nothing.

I also like the plainness of the paper poppy. Bling ones miss the point.

And if it falls off, you've got a good reason to buy another.

diddl Sun 06-Oct-13 14:25:56

Are the non dated, RBL supported bling ones redesigned every year?

NoComet Sun 06-Oct-13 14:30:05

I used to have a lapel pin Poppy and I've lost it.

I always bought paper ones too, but jumping in and out the car they get caught in seat belts and invariably vanish.

Because both my Grandfathers fought in the wars and my maternal grandfather was partially disabled as a result, it would never be simply a piece of jewellery and I guess many people but them to remember those who survived, but are no longer with us.

meditrina Sun 06-Oct-13 14:31:31

diddl: yes, partly. Some of the range has the year incorporated into the design.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 14:33:12

The op makes NO mention of the RBL at all.
She is not criticising them. That is your invention.

I wanted one last year but didn't get one. I just ordered one which I'm not sure was the point of the thread.

Wearing a poppy is wearing a poppy. Whether it is homemade, crystal or paper I don't think it matters as long as the person wearing it has donated money and knows what it means.

Now that I have bought a 'bling' poppy it doesn't mean I won't donate. I will.

samu2 Sun 06-Oct-13 14:44:05

There are probably people who wouldn't normally buy a poppy but might now because they like to look of the 'bling'

People who really care about the cause and buy the bling will no doubt buy a paper poppy or donate every year as well.

Win win.

sue52 Sun 06-Oct-13 14:44:11

I like the fragility and the way paper poppies are meant to be disposed of each year, rather like the lives of the soldiers in WW1. If bling poppies make money for the cause then good for them but I prefer my small modest paper one any day.

buttercrumble Sun 06-Oct-13 14:49:40

I love mine , and still donate every year smile

fluffyraggies Sun 06-Oct-13 15:02:13

Really on the fence here, but this - from diddl is interesting:

If you can afford the money, why not just donate instead of having something to show for it?

Do we actually want to give £20 to the Poppy Appeal or do we want the sparkly red poppy? Does it matter? I really don't know ...

Do folks feel the same about a man with the cufflinks on?

kotinka Sun 06-Oct-13 15:15:49

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MrsMargoLeadbetter Sun 06-Oct-13 15:24:47

With charity I try to look at the big picture.

Bling poppies are still poppies. They help continue the tradtion of showing your support and they might appeal to new (and younger) audiences which in turn helps to keep the tradition going etc.

There could be implications re spending less, but if you are a supporter I guess you might continue to support by donating as others have said.

And shops (other than the RBL) selling 'charity' items are still raising the profile of the issue again potentially to a new audience. Yes, it would be better to spend money with RBL directly but I would see it better that shop A sells product B with £1 going to RBL than nothing going to them.

I also feel whilst poppy wearing on TV is probably driven by PR etc I feel it is helping to enforce the idea of wearing a poppy and establishing it as the norm which is very helpful to the RBL/the appeal.

LtEveDallas Sun 06-Oct-13 15:44:00

I have a Lapel Pin poppy on my 'good' coat year round. DH has one too that is pinned next to his veterans badge. I might do the same next year smile.

I buy at least 10 paper poppies every year, because I lose them or they get scruffy or eaten by the dog. I have to wear one in uniform and the guys are used to handing one over every morning as I go through the guardroom, simply because I get as far as the gate, look down and "oh shit"

I got DD to take a box of the wrist bands into school last year, much better idea for kids than pins in their jumpers. They went down well so I will probably do the same this year.

The larger fabric poppies are a good buy from the street sellers. They look really good and each year I then attach it to our Christmas wreath. Helps us remember those that didn't make Christmas.

As long as the money is going to the RBL then I don't care about the Bling ones. But I wouldn't buy them anywhere else other than Poppy Shop.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 15:46:18

what is a veteran's badge LtEve?
Do you have to apply for them?

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 15:50:10

I like the fragility and the way paper poppies are meant to be disposed of each year, rather like the lives of the soldiers in WW1. If bling poppies make money for the cause then good for them but I prefer my small modest paper one any day.

sue52 That's exactly what I meant. You put it better.

Wolfiefan Sun 06-Oct-13 15:51:49

I have a little metal poppy from the online store. I find attaching a paper one difficult and always end up messing it up. I will contribute to the appeal each year though. I knew someone who reused the same paper poppy every year and saw nothing wrong in doing this. I was stunned. It is about respect and remembrance but surely it's also to raise much needed funds.

LayMizzRarb Sun 06-Oct-13 15:56:42

Wow. Where did I criticise the RBL or even people who choose to buy them? I had forgotten how nasty some things can get on AIBU.

I asked if anyone thought the same as me, not that I thought anyone who wore them was wrong.

And like the reader up thread, I also dislike the way that brands and manufacturers hijack the pink ribbon to promote their products.
Yes it's great that they are giving money to charity (and getting tax relief on the donation) but they are playing on people's compassion and extra sales that are effected will offset the donation. The fact they have a pink ribbon on the packs will also mean they get a free mention in women's magazines and Sunday supplements as a way to support the charity.

If you suffer from cancer you want to get on with your life and put thoughts of cancer to the back of your mind. That's not easy when you walk into a supermarket and every other product from washing up liquid and loo roll to biscuits and cakes have the word cancer on the front of them.

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 16:04:44

I also feel whilst poppy wearing on TV is probably driven by PR etc I feel it is helping to enforce the idea of wearing a poppy and establishing it as the norm which is very helpful to the RBL/the appeal.

I understand what you mean mrsmargotleadbetter but the competitiveness of some poppy-wearers and their attitude to people who aren't wearing them makes me uneasy.

My father served in World War II, and I've worn a poppy since primary school. It's become increasingly important to me. And for me, it has to be a simple paper one, for the reasons another poster expressed so eloquently.

However, he never wore one and neither does my mother who is still alive. It doesn't bother her that people don't wear one, just so long as they aren't disrespectful of people who served in WWI, which her father did, WWII, other conflicts and people who are serving now.

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 16:17:50

Actually, though I've never discussed why my mother doesn't wear a poppy, I think I've guessed from other conversations. It's because for her, poppy-wearing is what politicians do at the Cenotaph, long after they've sent young people into danger.

That's the personal view of a woman who is proud of her father, her husband and his friends, did her bit on the home front and talks of the Second World War and some other conflicts as necessary things.

She grieves over the deaths and injuries in war, particularly a boy who was my nephew's schoolfriend who was killed in Afghanistan - proudly doing his job, I would add.

She bears no animosity towards other poppy-wearers.

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 16:19:26

After all that I forgot to say, YANBU OP blush

Mrsdavidcaruso Sun 06-Oct-13 16:24:02

I have a big china poppy brooch and matching earrings that I wear to the church service on the Sunday but I still buy the paper ones i tend to buy two or three as they do fall off, I also have a couple of the metal pin badges

love the bling ones might buy one this year

mrsjay Sun 06-Oct-13 16:25:48

If OP really thinks the Royal British Legion 'does not understand' what the poppy represtents, then she is woefully under informed

That wasn't what the op meant at all confused

frogspoon Sun 06-Oct-13 17:12:16

I don't see the problem.

The 'bling' poppies are much harder wearing and resilient than the paper poppies. They are also less likely to fall off as they have a proper broach clip. Also some of them cost £10-£25 so far more money is going to where its needed.

TiggyD Sun 06-Oct-13 17:20:55

I keep my paper one from year to year. I do donate money. I'm trying to be a bit green too.

SunshineMMum Sun 06-Oct-13 17:22:51

Much prefer the brooches purely because the paper ones fall off.

frogspoon Sun 06-Oct-13 17:24:42

so far more money is going to where its needed.

Grammar fail, should say "where it's needed."

Sirzy Sun 06-Oct-13 17:24:57

* Also some of them cost £10-£25 so far more money is going to where its needed.*

That depends on production costs and things though. As a one off payment rather than buying year on year I would doubt more money was raised. Of course some give every year but I bet not all.

To me the issue is still the making it something fashionable and glamorous rather than being about the issue at hand though.

HoneyDragon Sun 06-Oct-13 17:25:52

What poppy you wear doesn't reflect what you can or have donated. A lady local to me crochets them. She donates roughly £500 to the British legion, every November. The wool is donated. I think its lovely.

HoneyDragon Sun 06-Oct-13 17:27:41

Also where are you stressing the importance?

The money raised or the act of remembrance and memorial itself?

It's both for me. I donate regularly.

Mumsyblouse Sun 06-Oct-13 17:32:49

The reason I'm not so fond of bling poppies is because they stand for exactly the things that weren't valued at the time of WW1 and 2. Wearing a sparkly more expensive poppy is individualistic (express our own separate identity) and consumerist (the largest amount of money goes to the manufacturer). Those who lived through those wars had entirely different values of being- not individualism but communal sacrifice, not consumerism but austerity and rationing.

I wouldn't condemn anyone for wearing them, and see the rationale about earning more money, but I think it's eroding the simplicity of the tribute where everyone, rich or poor, wears a simple paper poppy.

The poppy represents the cause. You can wear poppy deely-boppers if you want as long as the message is there.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 18:00:38

I think that people are saying that the message get lost in all the bling and showing off (from the slebs).

Raising money is very important, we have been recipients of RBL money but the message is also hugely, hugely important.

I am not sure that some of those really madly bling poppies do the job tbh.

I haven't looked at the RBL page but I am pretty sure their stuff is fine. I have seen some really ostentatious poppies on TV and it just seems to say 'I have more money than you'.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 18:02:23

What sort of message would deely boppers give off?

Don't be an old grump about War, c'mon lets have a bit of fun!

Not really what its all about is it?

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 18:05:45

War. It's all a bit of fun, isn't it?

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 18:10:58

Much prefer the brooches purely because the paper ones fall off.

Just like the people do

LayMizzRarb Sun 06-Oct-13 18:14:03

We're all different, but personally, I don't think deely boppers in the shape of poppies would be terribly appropriate .

To me, poppies, and Armistice Day symbolise a time for quiet and thoughtful reflection, not for wearing springs on your head and wearing a crystal brooch on an outfit because it sets it off.

What ever next? Sellers wandering up and down Whitehall selling popcorn and toffee apples to the waiting crowds?

MarmaladeTwatkins Sun 06-Oct-13 18:23:19


<wanders off muttering>

Darkesteyes Sun 06-Oct-13 18:26:40

I have the Estee Lauder 2011 breast cancer brooch. All pink stones except for one stone which is blue to symbolize the men who have had or died from breast cancer.

I did have a small enamel poppy a few years back but i took it off my denim jacket to wash it and after that couldnt find it. So i wear the paper ones.
Some excellent points made on this thread though.

Lt Eve thats a lovely idea adding your poppies to your Christmas wreath.

Don't give me the humpy faces. I spent 13 years working with WW1 veterans so I'm aware of the issues. The point is, that the important bit is that people remember, very closely followed by the money raised. It doesn't matter how you get that message across.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 18:30:39

I disagree.
I think it matters VERY much how the message is put across.

Viviennemary Sun 06-Oct-13 18:32:04

I don't mind them at all. But I can see why you aren't keen. And can see the arguments as to why at one time everyone wore a humble poppy but now these blingey ones come along and my poppy costs more than yours and looks nicer. Hmm not sure on this one.

NomDeOrdinateur Sun 06-Oct-13 18:32:21

I have a reusable crocheted one made by a British Legion affiliated Christian group, using donated wool, and also donate to the Poppy Appeal every year. I don't like wearing the paper ones because I feel guilty and disrespectful when I crumple/drop/break them, and socially irresponsible when I send them off to landfill on 11/12.

I'm not sure what I think about what the various "bling" varieties represent, but I really dislike the fact that some sellers mislead customers in order to profit from the appeal (sometimes even without donating at all). I was also very uncomfortable a few years ago about seeing several paper poppies plaited into headbands, anklets, rings etc for a popular TV talent show - "customising" them in that way seemed far more disrespectful to me than buying the RBL approved alternatives to the paper poppy, sort of like school children rebelling by wearing their ties around their heads... That might well be me being unreasonable, however.

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 18:38:03

It doesn't matter how you get that message across

Oh yes it does

mignonette Sun 06-Oct-13 18:40:02

I like the simplicity of the original Poppy. It is a design classic and needs no improving.

mignonette Sun 06-Oct-13 18:42:18

Posted too soon. When you see a field of Poppies or grow them (I love them) you realise that the fragility of the Poppy petals are so beautifully captured in that flimsy little paper version. The Poppy is such a beautiful flower precisely because it is not showy.

LtEveDallas Sun 06-Oct-13 18:47:19

Sorry MrsDV, dinner called!

You get a veterans badge on retirement when you have completed 22 years service. It tends to turn up a couple of days before your first pension payment! As much as DH doesn't really 'do' the Army any more (doesn't go to reunions or anything) he does wear his badge (and strangely, won't let me hand in his old ID card) smile

It is weird isn't it? I'm sure many people feel pleased it raises more money yet uneasy with it too.

The simple poppy seemed to so well symbolise the terrible suffering of that generation- and the resilience too. I don't feel the bling poppy does that in the same way.

I have a blinged up poppy that I wear when appropriate.

It looks better and lasts. I still buy a paper one,.donate and wear alongside the sparkly one .

I would like to think we still remember the loss suffered regardless of the style of the poppy.

LittleMissWise Sun 06-Oct-13 19:05:38

I can wear a "blinged" poppy and reflect on what Armistice day means.

My children wear the wristbands and they will wear their enamel pin. I will still put a fiver in the tin outside Tesco's.

MrsDeVere Sun 06-Oct-13 19:10:06

Thanks LtEve

OH was waaaaaay off his 22 years when he left grin

Thank God. I would have made a terrible army wife.

I am still confused as to how I ended up with a soldier at all grin

Beveridge Sun 06-Oct-13 19:17:04

It's impossible to get the modern day poppies to stay on, (since they have the green plastic stalks rather than the old pins) if you don't have a lapel with a buttonhole to put it in.

So last year I bought a felt one at a craft fair that has a proper safety pin at the back. I still donated to the poppy fund and I will do so this year, but it's far more practical for me when wearing a dress at work. Also impossible for my pupils to wear the ordinary ones as we don't have a blazer/shirt uniform, which is a shame.

Love the smaller enamel ones on the website (now I know they exist) but still feel a bit uneasy about the massive ones on Strictly - everybody's personal barometer on this is probably set a little bit differently.

mignonette Sun 06-Oct-13 19:21:22

fragility of the paper ones=fragility of life.

There's a kind of poetry in that (Romantic Fool that I am).

NoComet Sun 06-Oct-13 19:25:18

At first I looked at earrings and friendship braclets on the website and thought why?

But then I saw the charm bead and it struck me, The Great war was not the war to end all Wars. The RBL is still needed because soldiers are still being injured and killed.

A bereaved family member or friend might well buy a piece of poppy jewellery as a permanent reminder of a loved one and appreciate something they could wear outside November.

limitedperiodonly Sun 06-Oct-13 19:51:08

You don't wear poppies before 1 November or after the 11th

OctopusWrangler Sun 06-Oct-13 20:29:34

My daughter bought a poppy from a lovely veteran on the RBL stall in the supermarket last year. It was covered in stick on red 'gems'. He said that she should remember that people gave, but also that they live too. He didn't seem remotely offended by the poppy, he was sat sticking the gems on himself.

LayMizzRarb Sun 06-Oct-13 20:58:47

I have a tiny enamel badge, about the size of a 5p piece that I wear in November, that I bought from the RBL, because the paper ones do fall off, but I put money in the collecting box every morning at Charing Cross Station, there is a stall there for 10 days in November manned by soldiers.

As regards deely boppers and diamanté; a lad I was at school with was killed on his 21st birthday in the Falklands war. In his letter that he left for his family with the army he said he wanted people to celebrate his life and wear bright colours at his funeral.

This we did, although it felt quite strange, somehow irreverent. When I think of him now, especially as I have got older it is with a really deep respect, as I can truly appreciate the sacrifices he made.

Wearing novelty headwear to say to the world He, and the thousands before him have my respect ; to me trivialises it. It seems a frivolous gesture for someone sacrificing their life.

If I had £50 I would much rather 10p covered the cost of my poppy, and £49.90 went to a forces veteran or their family where it would do a world of good.

Gossipmonster Sun 06-Oct-13 21:07:51

I have a sparkly one I wear all year round as we should always remember.

I donate in November to the appeal.

Very proud Navy OH smile

MidniteScribbler Sun 06-Oct-13 21:28:27

I hope our RSL is selling bling ones, I'll definitely buy one. I don't think that choosing a particular design over another is the problem, as long as money is going where it is needed and people remember why they are wearing them.

LayMizzRarb Sun 06-Oct-13 22:59:36

That will be interesting, to hear if the RSL sell them. I still find it pretty awesome that the RSL clubs have a minutes silence each evening in rememberance . (I hope they still do)

MidniteScribbler Mon 07-Oct-13 00:04:39

Most of the big ones don't anymore, but that's because they are now B-I-G business with the restaurants and pokie machines. I haven't seen any of the big ones do it for a long time, unless part of an official function.

I imagine the smaller local community ones still do. The one on Norfolk Island still does, every night without fail. I think it's fantastic.

Missolford33 Sun 17-Nov-13 14:45:37

I don't see the problem myself. If bought from a reputable company proceeds go to charity and that's a good thing isn't it?

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