To not want nor agree with fucking douching or moisturising MY OWN Vag.

(197 Posts)
frogslegs35 Tue 01-Oct-13 09:23:30

I can't go anywhere nor watch TV without being reminded that I 'Should' be doing one of/both and I'm getting slightly pissed off with this severely outdated information.
Dr's recommend it here shock Half of pharmacies are taken up with feminine products such as Provag gel - moisturiser for your vagina (WTAF?) and floraVag - to purify your vagina hmm I'm getting leaflets in the mailbox and even got given one on a visit to the cinema ffs!
Final straw today was in the pharmacy - the assistant asked if I'd like to buy some on promotion so I told her I didn't use it and didn't want to cause myself thrush and she looked at me like I'd just told her I ate newborn babies confused
If my translation of language would have allowed I'd have also informed her that my own Gynaecologist and GP both advise against using anything other than gentle soap on the outside - so thank you very much but my vag is capable of cleaning itself, is clean and hygenic, doesn't smell and I manage perfectly well without FloraVag.
Rant over grin

Vagisil!

The pound shop sell fanjo deodorant.

PeriodFeatures Tue 01-Oct-13 09:24:55

where do you live op?/ you need to move... smile

Where the cystitis are you?

SpookyNameChange13 Tue 01-Oct-13 09:26:32

I assume the vag moisturiser is for those who are dry of vag and need a little help? like menopausal women?

Ive not heard of any of those products though, are you in the UK?

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 09:26:44

Where do you live? I can't recall ever seeing a Fragrant Fannies advert.

Is it an area of astounding natural vag stench?

FloraVag sounds like something you would spread on your toast.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 09:28:56

Ive always thought that Apples would be a good scent for a fanjo.

Ilanthe Tue 01-Oct-13 09:29:03

My MIL has Femfresh deodorant on display in the bathroom. <shudder>

All completely unnecessary products, a marketing ploy and yet another stick to beat women with.

YANBU.

BlackholesAndRevelations Tue 01-Oct-13 09:30:16

Must admit I've never been persuaded to deodorise my vag.......

Lol @ Geraldine! grin

SeaSickSal Tue 01-Oct-13 09:30:58

I can't ever remember seeing it advertised or promoted anywhere. I don't even think I've ever seen any in anyone's bathroom. I thought hardly anybody used them, they're not exactly hard sold.

DameDeepRedBetty Tue 01-Oct-13 09:32:01

I've noticed there seem to be more of these types of product around and more advertising for them. Somewhat like the sudden attack of heavy promotion of all sorts of air- and room- fresheners which infested the airwaves a few years ago, as though all the major manufacturers had got together to try and tell us it was normal to squirt nasty goo all around the house rather than wash things properly and open the windows.

Always have lost my previously loyal custom as a result of insisting on drenching their towels in something that smells like cheap loo cleaner.

I'm currently pregnant and use femfresh wash instead of shower gel or soap

it's got the right ph and will stop you getting thrush

so broadly, yanbu, but some comments on this thread are misinformed

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 01-Oct-13 09:41:27

You don't need to use FemFresh to prevent thrush. Who told you that?

I have a theory. All these new scented San pro cause itchy irritated fannys. Same company makes flowery fanjo wash for irritated fannys. First make a fanny sore,then offer solution to sore fanny,only to make a fanny sore again etc etc and so it goes on.

Minifingers Tue 01-Oct-13 09:43:55

heart - why does your vag need washing with anything other than water?

I'm 47 and I've never used any sort of soap or squirted deodorant on it, or had any complaints.

Ezio Tue 01-Oct-13 09:44:30

I use nothing but plain water down there.

After 6 months of eczema on the fanjo, and it itchy and stinging everytime i peed.

I kinda respect my fanjo now.

MinesAPintOfTea Tue 01-Oct-13 09:46:06

YANBU

Turn the TV off, spend more time on MN instead. HTH grin

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 09:46:19

Do you ladies who only use water have Hollywood waxes?

no one 'told me' to use it, I'm not a gullible idiot so thanks for addressing me as such hmm

I had to take antibiotics in early pregnancy as a result of which I got thrush. very unpleasant. saw the gp who prescribed canesten but obviously prevention better than cure

femfresh has the correct ph unlike soaps and shower gels, it is recommended by the nhs to help prevent and fight thrush

i have never previously used it or any other scented products so I think your theory is a load of cock

water only. Or a very dilute vinegar/water rinse if thrush is looming. NEVER any soap. No no no no no

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 09:47:40

from that list (fucking, moisturising and douching), I don't do moisturising and douching.

ahem.

MinesAPintOfTea Tue 01-Oct-13 09:47:45

Skoda: mild soap on the "higher up" hair and just water further down. No waxing or shaving of any type.

minifingers cngratulations on reaching 47 without getting thrush, if you actually read my post you'd see that me using it had nothing to do with 'getting complaints' ffs

Skoda. No way!

Whyyyyyyyyy?

fuzzpig Tue 01-Oct-13 09:48:25

It's best to use just water surely. I have used femfresh during my period in the past but not anymore (not that it ever caused problems, I've never had thrush)

I've heard you aren't supposed to use talc there either due to the risk of particles going places.

I have stopped using Always too. Madness. Scented FFS.

arf @ Parmarella

fuzzpig Tue 01-Oct-13 09:52:16

I wonder if there's an equivalent Willy Wash that men are encouraged to use hmm

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 01-Oct-13 09:52:19

Read my post heart I asked who told you that femfresh prevents thrush,not who told you to use it cause you are gullible. No need to be so irratated.

LoopThePoop Tue 01-Oct-13 09:52:24

Parmarella grin

Fuzzpig I wonder what they would call it Pampered Penis, Delightful Dick,?

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 09:56:10

confused I just wash the surface of my body all over with my normal shower-gel and water. It hasn't caused thrush yet. I only even know about thrush from MNers.

No special products required, never mind douching!

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 09:58:48

Delightful Dick sounds like a famous 5 character, or an olde English pudding

Parmarella grin

Taking it one step further, I wonder what it would smell like. It would have to be a 'MAN' smell, so something like Engine grease, 2 stroke oil, Camembert?

SmokedMackerel Tue 01-Oct-13 10:02:56

I think I remember a Monty Python book having a page dedicated to fake adverts for "intimate freshness" products, and telling women how they all smell, and then a business proposition asking people if they could think of any new body parts that need deodorising then to write in. Or something like that anyway, hard to remember now. But I remember reading it s a teen and laughing.

meddie Tue 01-Oct-13 10:05:14

I think testi-breeze has a nice ring to it

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 10:06:58

I am sure that men would get more BJ's if they somehow kept their delightful cocks free of pee-smell.

maybe they could invent a little smell-neutralising penis-holder to be worn inside pants,a bit like a panty-liner but then a sort of tea cosy for a cock.

(I soooo need to start work, but am distracting myself on here by being slightly outrageous...)

specialsubject Tue 01-Oct-13 10:08:11

I don't know what scary place you live in, OP - I'm not seeing these ads or posters, and no-one has tried to sell me this stuff in the chemist!

there is no law against selling useless products.

Parmarella what about a 'plug in', men do like a gadget!

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 10:10:18

plug what into where?!

Into the hole at the end. grin

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 10:24:42

a fart neutraliser? hmmm

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 10:25:23

I think a plug in that whistles when one farts would be more successful (knowing men)

I have lots of business ideas today

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 01-Oct-13 10:27:54

Just hang a Christmas tree air freshener around his balls,vanilla scented and pretend your eating an ice cream.

curlew Tue 01-Oct-13 10:29:31

The problem is that it's hard to persuade men that they aren't perfect just as they are- but women are always ready to believe that their bodies are too fat, too thin, too hairy, too smelly..........Why waste the marketing budget on men when there are still bits of women they can make us feel inadequate about?

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 10:32:13

I don't squirt anything up there, that's what douching is, isn't it? But I wash the external area with whatever shower gel I've got going at the time.

Unless I fully waxed or trimmed v v close I'd be surrounded by a cloud of flies if I didn't clean it with something. grin

IceBeing Tue 01-Oct-13 10:36:14

plug in? <faints>

frogslegs35 Tue 01-Oct-13 10:40:12

where do you live op?/ you need to move
Eastern Europe/I won't be driven out by the VagAttack squad smile

I assume the vag moisturiser is for those who are dry of vag and need a little help?
Nope, it states and I quote albeit translated -
''prOVag ® gel Innovative gel for intimate surroundings used to strengthen the protection and soothing'' smile
It's a moisturiser with some such shite in it the same as the douch stuff.
There's a whole other host of lubricant type products.

I'm currently pregnant and use femfresh wash instead of shower gel or soap
That's different to what I'm talking about, it's just a gentle soap with a low PH and hypoallergenic, the same as baby soap which I use for my outside Vag area's.

All completely unnecessary products, a marketing ploy and yet another stick to beat women with.
Agreed, I WON'T CONFORM to a chemically rose smelling foof smile

And YES, there's the same kind of washes here for men too, given names like - Revitalising, soothing, moisturising intimate gel for men hmm

I've also just remembered about - Ellen, the probiotic tampon grin

I love the idea on this thread that thrush is an invention of the consumer healthcare industry and that only those foolish enough to buy into it will suffer

unlike thebigjessie and co. with their superior biochemistry
who have "never even heard of thrush before MN"

another entertaining excursion into the parallel universe of AIBU

IceBeing google male chastity belts, a plug in is mild compared to them.

Infact that's just given me another idea, a male chastity belt with something similar to those minging toilet cleaners that hang over the bowl intergrated into it.

Didactylos Tue 01-Oct-13 10:57:48

OP, i think Ellentheprobiotictampon would make a perfect name change for giving advice on fanjo threads

KateCroydon Tue 01-Oct-13 11:00:14

The NHS recommend femfresh? Really? Find that hard to believe. Evidence?

boardingschoolbaby Tue 01-Oct-13 11:01:30

So shall we set up our own company and start marketing "munchable man" ?
On a more serious note I think that these things can have their place for a minority of people. I've never used them, but I have taken probiotics after antibiotics and some of these products are similar in nature to that aren't they? But yes, if all is well down there then there is absolutely no need to use anything other than water, and to use anything else does put you at risk of upsetting the natural flora and balance. As someone with particularly sensitive skin everywhere on my body the prospect of the "fresheners" has my skin shriveling just thinking about it!

Kate they don't recommend particular brands. my gp recommended not using any washes which are the wrong ph. femfresh or own brand equivalents are the same ph as vagina and thus clean without disrupting natural ph. along with bio live yoghurt on tampons it worked for me better than just water (was actively soothing where plain water could be irritating) and avoided the need for repeat antifungals, not ideal in pregnancy

it has nothing to do with deodorising, scenting or douching, but people like to use preset responses to what they imagine you've said

IAmNotAMindReader Tue 01-Oct-13 11:27:12
curlew Tue 01-Oct-13 11:29:11

All the NHS says is to avoid using vaginal deodorants, scented shower gel and so on. I can't find any "science bit" abou pH.

I hate the way things are marketed to women, I really do.

frogslegs35 Tue 01-Oct-13 12:10:40

<still within topic and in case anyone is interested>

After trying everything to get rid of thrush and after a particular bad episode - I looked to natural sources, after trawling the net for success stories my choices were narrowed down to:

A) Popping a half clove of fresh garlic inside hmm
or
B) A tampon worn overnight soaked in diluted Tea Tree oil. You can also use the mixture to bathe any sore outside area's.
I went for B (I'd never look at garlic again in the same way) and not only was I completely clear in 3 days but the itch stopped almost immediately too.

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 12:14:02

I was just pointing out that ordinary shower gel was obviously not guaranteed to cause thrush.

But hey, if you want to get offended and sneer at my "superior biochemistry", sure.

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 12:19:57

By the way, in my parallel world, all hormonal contraception so far has caused morning sickness, and I'm now limited to only one type for health reasons, which causes the worst morning nausea of the lot. (I think I may have been on the hyperemesis spectrum while I was actually pregnant, too.)

Does that make it less sickening that I haven't had thrush yet? I also have some weird allergies.

KirjavaTheCorpse Tue 01-Oct-13 12:23:31

Never had thrush. Wash down there with my usual bodywash.

Do I have a super resilient fanjo?

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 12:26:01

I've never had thrush and I've never used soap on my fanjo.

Also I've been complimented on its scent and flavour by more than one gentleman caller.

FrigginRexManningDay Tue 01-Oct-13 12:28:13

Again you are being obtuse heart. No where did I say that San pro pushers invented thrush.

So you carry on.

DuckToWater Tue 01-Oct-13 12:29:36

I got thrush from taking the pill and antibiotics.

Extra lubricant for sex can be quite fun, whether you need it or not. But totally agree on vag deodorant.

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 12:30:55

Presumably? Just to check, are you allergic to apples, cherries or obstetric cholestasis medication? Sensitivities to hormonal contraception? I'm trying to find the common denominator here.

Oh, I have some neurological quirks/disabilities. I'm fairly certain they're genetic. Could link with genetic resilience to thrush?

KirjavaTheCorpse Tue 01-Oct-13 12:33:20

Nah my mum was constantly clutching a tube of canesten, don't think my resilience is genetic. I'm probably just well 'ard.

festered Tue 01-Oct-13 12:41:31

I moisturise the vulva skin but not my actual vag lol

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 12:43:16

I briefly considered asking my mother as part of my investigation, but then I imagined how the conversation would actually go.

I haven't forgotten the talk about how the pill caused [insert here] and sex was disgusting and she wished she'd realised that when she was my age. Etc.

Minifingers Tue 01-Oct-13 12:44:17

"minifingers cngratulations on reaching 47 without getting thrush"

I had thrush in pregnancy. I stopped eating sugar, yeast and refined carbohydrates and it went away.

If it had continued to trouble me I would have consulted a doctor. Who would NOT have advised me to use a commercial fanny wash on my itchy bits.

hardboiledpossum Tue 01-Oct-13 12:44:34

I got bacterial vaginosis from fem fresh. the gynacologist told me to only use water.

PennieLane Tue 01-Oct-13 12:45:09

I've never heard of thrush (nor had it ever though kind of goes without saying) until mumsnet, always used Radox.

can I claim my super-human badge please?

PennieLane Tue 01-Oct-13 12:45:58

super biochemistry badge.

Minifingers Tue 01-Oct-13 12:46:21

"femfresh or own brand equivalents are the same ph as vagina and thus clean without disrupting natural ph"

But what exactly is up there that shouldn't be, that needs washing away with some sort of soap? If you have thrush you need to address why that is, not be shoving soap in there to wash away the discharge, no matter how PH neutral the soap is.

KirjavaTheCorpse Tue 01-Oct-13 12:47:24

I'll send you the address to claim your Super Vag Bagde, Pennie.

Water is ph neutral, best thing to use. I don't use anything else.

valiumredhead Tue 01-Oct-13 12:54:08

hearts I'm with you smile I'm a woman of a certain age , ahem, and also use it because it's not harsh and doesn't irritate me.

SaucyJack Tue 01-Oct-13 12:58:08

Mine's a bit whiffy these days. Might get some fragrance for it.

Or I could just stop pissing myself forty times a day

What vag obsessed place do you live in Op?

Fakebook Tue 01-Oct-13 13:02:14

Yanbu! Dettol has instructions on the back about how much to dilute for douching confused.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Tue 01-Oct-13 13:03:21

Just wanted to point out there is a difference between vagina and vulva. From the thread title the Op is referring to douching/moisturising internally/inside the vagina.

This is not the same as washing the vulva. I would hope that those using femfresh are using it to deal with external hygiene, and not inside as there is never any need to wash internally.

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 13:10:27

<Wonders whether we've all been arguing at cross-purposes>

When I had the mirena coil it gave me a relentless cycle of thrush and BV that no amount of pills/creams or other shit could sort out. Fem fresh really really helped keep the smelly discharge under some semblance of control, until I was able to get the damned coil removed. Before using it I was self conscious, depressed and felt utterly shit about myself.
The cycle was broken once the coil was removed, and it's not returned since but I stick with Fem fresh (I do not do the whole douching thing though) for external washing, it may be psychological after the horrors of the thrush/BV drama but it makes me feel clean in a way that plain water does not.

ilovexmastime Tue 01-Oct-13 13:18:48

oooo, can I have a super vag badge too?! I've never used anything other than water, and I too have never had thrush.

Minifingers Tue 01-Oct-13 13:19:19

"I would hope that those using femfresh are using it to deal with external hygiene"

How is it possible that I've got to nearly 50 and not needed a product to wash my flaps with?

Do you think all this time I've been a bit smelly/unhygienic, and somehow dh hasn't noticed?

I'd be surprised. He's very fussy about food being properly cooked - notices if it's slightly burned, or if I've recycled the cooking oil once too often.

Or is it that some people have really smelly genitals?

No minifingers as stated repeatedly some people have THRUSH

antibiotics cause it because they kill off the good bacteria as well as the bad ones throughout the body

"But what exactly is up there that shouldn't be, that needs washing away with some sort of soap? If you have thrush you need to address why that is, not be shoving soap in there to wash away the discharge, no matter how PH neutral the soap is."

what is "up there" is an imbalance where yeast (naturally present) get the upper hand over 'good' bacteria, and using femfresh or similar wash (not deodorant or douche) can help to restore the balance back because it contains probiotics

I don't use it INTERNALLY but it's exactly the same reason I used live yoghurt on tampons when I had thrush

you were lucky that it cleared up on its own with a change of diet, mine was a fearsome bad attack and would not have gone away of its own accord- i had lost 2 nights of sleep to horrific itching and try to keep pharmaceuticals to a minimum in pregnancy

and as stated more than once above the doctor did not recommend a particular brand. I asked about a number of possible remedies I'd heard about and he recommended some (yoghurt, wash containing probiotics such as femfresh) and not others (acidophilus tablets taken orally)

amazing how many people were apparently present at my consultation and can tell me what my GP did and didn't say!

actually FWIW during pregnancy (both times), when it's very hot in the summer, yes my cunt does smell more than most of the rest of me! (excluding armpits, feet and bum crack I suppose)

this is the product I use which has probiotics and cranberry oil in it

http://www.boots.com/en/Femfresh-soothing-wash-250ml_1232198/

*disclaimer: other brands are available
*disclaimer 2: have to go out now so will come back later to engage in more fun vulva-related banter

GlassSlippers Tue 01-Oct-13 14:01:41

Fa(njo)breeze!

Seriously though. Yanbu. Nothing unclean about just using water.

Pagwatch Tue 01-Oct-13 14:02:07

Stop arguing. This thread should be all about the craic.

Flossyfloof Tue 01-Oct-13 14:05:48

Why what (Cakey)

HaroldLloyd Tue 01-Oct-13 14:06:42

Did you try shoving a head of garlic up there though?

Thats made my foof itch that!

I just give it a swoosh with the shower afterwards.

It's a nice quiet place nowadays so I don't think it needs too much bothering.

Vagamite - mmmmm, yeasty grin.

macthecatsmum Tue 01-Oct-13 14:08:48

Moisturise and clean my own fanjo? OMG no I get someone in to do mine! grin

Flossyfloof Tue 01-Oct-13 14:09:26

Oops sorry my recent question was in response to a post on page 1. Didn't realise there were 4 pages.

HavantGuard Tue 01-Oct-13 14:17:00

I think that some of the reactions are based on mixed terminology for private parts.

My vulva (outside) gets washed with the suds from tummy but no shower gel put on it. My vagina quietly does its own self cleaning thing and gets some water squirted up there from time to time. The use of 'intimate hygiene' products internally and harsh shower gels externally can cause irritation and internal use can fuck up the balance of 'local flora and fauna' grin and set up a cycle of recurring infections and thrush.

If mine starts to smell a bit wiffy I eat sugar puffs.

Opalite Tue 01-Oct-13 14:28:52

I think it is a feminist issue, vaginas are offensive and dirty and you must take steps to change yours hmm never mind that they're self cleaning and its important not to damage the balance of your vagina. I temporarily did some damage to mine by thoroughly washing inside and out with antibacterial face wash every single time I had a shower (shudder)

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 14:30:26

Eeeeek Opalite! Your poor vagina.

MrsWedgeAntilles Tue 01-Oct-13 14:50:08

OP, I'm a sexual health nurse. I've seen more vaginas than Hugh Hefner. Unless there's something wrong, like bacterial vaginosis, they don't smell. In fact if you have any tendency towards imbalances of vaginal flora one of the most common causes of bv is the use of these pH balanced fanny washes as they, like other soaps, wash all the good bacteria away.
Its a pure scam. They encourage you to wash and spray and douche and what not with this, that and the other, that makes you more likely to smell bad and then you feel you have to use more of their product. They laugh all the way to bank while you cool your heels with a sore, smelly lady garden.
Hearts No where I've worked has ever recommended Femfresh or the like, in fact we tend to discourage it. The only thing you should be washing with is water or, at push, something like aqueous cream.

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 15:21:30

MrsWedge, can you clarify for those of us who love a good lather up of a morning, provided we don't squirt anything up our vaginas, are we safe to get the old chamois round our vulvas?

IceBeing Tue 01-Oct-13 15:24:47

definitely a feminist issue.

How utterly abysmal to undermine peoples body confidence in order to make money.

bastards the lot of them.

valiumredhead Tue 01-Oct-13 15:26:36

Aqueous cream is discouraged now by the eczema association, that's the last thing I'd let anywhere near my foof.

MrsWedgeAntilles Tue 01-Oct-13 15:32:24

Good question Skoda, I'm not sure, most of the teaching I've had has focused on the vagina.
I probably wouldn't as the skin is pretty delicate and there's no way of excluding any product from the vagina completely. However, I have no idea of the evidence base to back this up.
I'm going off to speak to some of the big brains and I'll be back at some point.

fuzzpig Tue 01-Oct-13 15:35:22

Late coming back to this but DETTOL?!?

Bad enough as a kid when my mum made me use it for a grazed knee. But using it as a douche, aaaargh <crosses legs>

fuzzpig Tue 01-Oct-13 15:36:22

Wait, Valium, what's that about aqueous cream?! (DS has eczema)

valiumredhead Tue 01-Oct-13 15:40:05

Fuzz-yeah not advised now to use it as a moisturiser. It was only every designed as a soap replacement, but I'm not sure they advise it at all now as it can be an irritant. It burns me, ouch!

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 15:40:35
MrsWedgeAntilles Tue 01-Oct-13 15:40:56

We used to be all about the aqueous cream but now we're only recommending it when the skin is dry and for short periods.
Why are the eczema society not recommending to any more?

ExcuseTypos Tue 01-Oct-13 15:41:00

What are we taking about here? How is anyone able to wash a vagina? Are they squirting something up thereconfused

I've always washed my labia/lady garden area with Samex, which doesn't have soap on it. That's ok isn't it?

valiumredhead Tue 01-Oct-13 15:41:22

Wrt dettol,Dh used to put a capful in his bath, his mum always did it when he was growing up. Seemed unnecessary imo.

ExcuseTypos Tue 01-Oct-13 15:41:35

Sanex

LadyMedea Tue 01-Oct-13 15:41:53

OK I'm back with the whole vagina vs vulva/pubic area distinction.

Nothing, not even water goes near my vagina... Its lovely and self cleaning as it is.

My pubic area, particularly my labia majora, thigh/vulva intersection and anus get some action with some unscented shower gel as frankly I'm a sweaty Betty and if I didn't use it I would have a stinky sweaty crotch just like if I didn't use soap on my under arms.

Are you guys seriously saying you just use water on a sweaty crotch?

TheBigJessie Tue 01-Oct-13 15:42:14

I'm still shuddering at fakebook's post.

Dettol in human orifices?! I use dettol products to kill the mould on the walls, and we open the windows very wide indeed because it hurts your lungs otherwise.

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 15:44:06

Oh no crotch area, especially thigh crease gets a good soaping.

samu2 Tue 01-Oct-13 15:45:40

I only use water.

Still get thrush 1-2 times a month. Mostly the week before my period.

I do use shower gel on my vulva but it goes no wear near my vagina or labia.

MoominMammasHandbag Tue 01-Oct-13 15:59:55

I use just water and I'm not stinky. I would respectfully suggest that use of shower gels can make you stinky down there. The skin on your fanjo is not like the skin under your arms is it? It moisturises and cleans itself, only needs a rinse.

LadyMedea Tue 01-Oct-13 16:08:48

The skin on the outside of your genital area IS the same as on your underarms - it is covered in pubic hair and sweat glands. Mine smells a bit of sweat at the end of the day.

It surely is personal preference whether you use soap or not on this outside area but I can see no medical reason not to... It is not covered in a mucous membrane like your vagina or labia minora and unless you find personally find it unnecessary or irritating there is nowt wrong with it... I wouldn't expect my DH not to wash his nuts....

MoominMammasHandbag Tue 01-Oct-13 16:15:33

No I mean my labia Lady. I use soap on my hairy bits. No soap on anything pink then basically.

soontobeburns Tue 01-Oct-13 16:15:43

I use a ph balance soap and yes shocker a moisturiser which is good during my period when wearing pads.

I wouldn't feel clean just using water and wouldn't use soap due to thrush possibly.

Kerosene Tue 01-Oct-13 16:16:46

Lysol was originally marketed as a douche. An American obstetrician I used to work with mentioned how it was used during labour in the 40s (because a floor cleaner is precisely what you want swished up your bits when you're trying to deliver a baby) as well as a general hygiene product. How do you feel about your intimate daintiness?

In comparison, VagWax becomes just another entry in the "are your armpits pretty enough" school of product barrel-scraping.

JRmumma Tue 01-Oct-13 16:17:26

Skoda your last post made me laugh so hard i woke my baby up!

LadyMedea Tue 01-Oct-13 16:18:37

NHS advice on not washing your vagina but yes to washing your vulva and perineum... The latter being important to prevent thrush!

Use plain, unperfumed soaps to wash the area around the vagina (the vulva) gently every day. The vagina will clean itself inside your body with natural vaginal secretions (discharge). “During your period, washing more than once a day may be helpful,” says Dr Elneil, who points out that keeping the area between the vagina and anus clean is important too. “Good perineal hygiene is necessary, by washing that area at least once a day using your normal bathing routines.”

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/vagina-health/Pages/keep-vagina-clean.aspx

MrsWedgeAntilles Tue 01-Oct-13 16:24:57

Thanks for that Squoosh, I was a bit worried I'd been recommending that the patients wash themselves in something dreadful but I think our use of it ties in with what the eczema society are saying.

sashh Tue 01-Oct-13 16:26:55

it has nothing to do with deodorising, scenting or douching, but people like to use preset responses to what they imagine you've said

Well considering this entire thread is about deodorising, scenting and douching............

BTW if you got thrush from taking antibiotics how is a wash stopping it? Surely not taking the antibiotics any more is what is stopping it.

Mintyy Tue 01-Oct-13 16:30:52

I like a proper wash. I would also feel unclean if I didn't use something on the general surrounds. It has to be femfresh for me ... the day I use anything else I get horrendous thrush. I ran out of f'fresh on holiday and had thrush within 24 hours.

I do hate it when other Mumsnetters tell you that you must be wrong about something that you actually experience.

ParvatiTheWitch Tue 01-Oct-13 16:37:56

A nice hippy, cheap tip for you all: camomile tea (cooled of course) is a nice, gentle anti-inflammatory rinse for the fanny, especially after shagging. That definitely won't do you any harm and is very soothing on the old bearded clam.

Minifingers Tue 01-Oct-13 16:51:12

Thank you for that MrsWedge.

Now you see - here is a woman who knows a thing or two about vaginas. grin

As we have an expert on thread, can I ask you a nosy question?

Are pubic lice now only a problem for the hairy over 40's? Have they been wiped out by recent trend for almost total pubic deforestation by the young?

AlistairSim Tue 01-Oct-13 16:57:34

And as a bonus, Parvati, it gives you lovely blonde pubes!

Tabby1963 Tue 01-Oct-13 17:46:03

Thanks to Binkyridesagain's suggestion, I now know far more than I need to about male chastity belts...

link here https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=male+chastity+belts&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=N_lKUoTEJYyo0wWTq4G4DA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1093&bih=538&dpr=1

Lilithmoon Tue 01-Oct-13 19:03:25

The midwifes ran me a dettol bath which I had about an hour after giving birth. I had some pretty nasty damage but it didn't hurt. I remember thinking it was a bit random but I was in a state of shock since a human being had just come out of me!
This was 6 years ago.

Oriunda Tue 01-Oct-13 19:12:50

In Italy these products are everywhere and heavily advertised. They even advertise handy single-wipe packs for when you're out and about! There's one lovely ad for a product called 'Chilly'. They think we English are v wierd/dirty for not having bidets. I use ours in Italy for stacking magazines in and cleaning DS's teeth.

Sorry Tabby maybe I should have put a warning up with the suggestion. Most MNers have learnt that you NEVER google anything suggested on here, so I can't take all the blame.grin

MrsWedgeAntilles Tue 01-Oct-13 20:11:22

Right, Skoda, I can't find anything at home or that I trust on the internet. I'm not due back into work for another couple of days but I'll ask some one there and report back.
Good lord, Minifingers I'm quite far away from being an expert.
The prevailing opinion is that pubic lice are on the decrease, yay! One of the factors involved is possibly the rise of the brazilian.
However, we know that waxing and shaving make wee wounds in the skin that can make it easier for warts and herpes to be passed on and these can be a bit harder to treat than lice.

Loopytiles Tue 01-Oct-13 20:22:20

grin boardingschoolbaby would love to see someone pitch "munchable man" on Dragons Den!

Loopytiles Tue 01-Oct-13 20:29:30

OP, Yanbu to not want to douche or moisturise YOUR OWN vag. Someone else's on the other hand..... (for those so inclined!)

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 21:58:08

Thanks MrsWedge, my fanjo will await your findings.

frogslegs35 Wed 02-Oct-13 14:02:25

Someone else's on the other hand..... (for those so inclined!)

shock Bleurghhh - no thanks. smile

jezzasjockstrap Wed 02-Oct-13 17:40:06

I first read this as douching or moisturising your own veg. Was expecting a discussion on Olay or Nivea for those carrots and beans.

On the vag front no special treatment from me. Shower gel on the outers - never had a visit from the thrush fairy.

LouiseAderyn Wed 02-Oct-13 19:13:47

I use a couple of capfuls of dettol in the bath every so often. I epilate my legs and it stops my skin coming up in a rash. But it also makes my fanjo feel better if it is a bit sore during my period.

I have however, recently come to the conclusion that my fanjo is only sore because the sanitary towels are scented. Since I started buying unscented ones, I am not so itchy and sore!

Tabby1963 Wed 02-Oct-13 20:16:32

Binky, have emailed DH with link to the google page, suggesting that Santa may get him one for Christmas hahaha!

He's now wondering what the hell I'm getting up to on mn :D

Beastofburden Wed 02-Oct-13 21:09:31

All these people who find that scented towels make them itch- is this more likely if you have waxed? I have a theory that waxing makes the skin more likely to get itchy and sore, non-waxed people don't have the same experience.

This is not something I can easily check out, say at work... You are m,y only hope.

losingtrust Wed 02-Oct-13 21:12:13

I was told not to by a doctor as it destroys the natural flora and you just end up with thrush. She said it is not necessary and damaging.

losingtrust Wed 02-Oct-13 21:23:33

The tampon in natural yoghurt as someone said earlier worked for me and my room mates in college. Not the same tampon btw!

valiumredhead Wed 02-Oct-13 22:10:48

I don't wax and scented stuff makes me itch.

LouiseAderyn Wed 02-Oct-13 22:19:54

I don't wax either, but I do shave when I csn be bothered

Beastofburden Thu 03-Oct-13 08:30:31

Thanks! 50:50 so far, probably that means I am wrong (I meant shave or wax btw).

TheCrumpetQueen Thu 03-Oct-13 08:56:29

I used to slather natural yoghurt on my fanjo when I had thrush. Worked a treat. Same good bacteria in it as caneston

mignonette Thu 03-Oct-13 09:04:21

I'm 47 and have never had Thrush despite a year of prophylactic antibio's for UTI's some time ago.

I don't use heavily perfumed anything when washing my undercarriage but nor do I use nor require these products that seem to be predicated on the idea of the Female genitalia as producing some kind of toxic smelly battery acid that must be controlled less it take over the World.

I don't use any products but I still get thrush - so if people are suggesting that thrush is linked to use of products, please desist!

2rebecca Thu 03-Oct-13 09:22:14

Love the way MY OWN is in capitals, like you wouldn't mind moisturising someone else's!

TheCrumpetQueen Thu 03-Oct-13 09:28:48

I only got thrush once when a partner used condoms during sex and I wasn't quite 'ready' so it irritated

frogslegs35 Thu 03-Oct-13 09:38:29

Love the way MY OWN is in capitals, like you wouldn't mind moisturising someone else's!
Definitely not smile
'MY OWN' was because I was annoyed and in a 'it's my feckin vag and I'll do what I want with it' smile

JenaiMorris Thu 03-Oct-13 10:07:12

I have a theory that bald foofs smell more, hence manufacturers are getting away with shifting more of this crap now.

I know on the rare occasions I've done mine, that the aroma wasn't quite right. Not bad necessarily, just not normal.

froubylou Thu 03-Oct-13 10:24:28

I had an ex once who was quite good and really liked giving oral sex. He once wisely informed me that 'the cleanest tasting fannys are the hairiest ones'.

I had no reason to doubt him. At the time I was a bit of a landing strip girl but after 2 weeks away on a course he was sat waiting for me when I finally got home after 5 hours on the train. I was (after 2 weeks) a bit of a hairy mary down there and felt very hot and sweaty and unclean after the 5 hours on a train after a day on a course and desperate for a shower.

He muff dived anyway and announced it was perfectly clean and fine as it was all hairy and the hair acts as a natrual drainpipe type thing for wee etc. So instead of you patting your fanny dry with loo roll when you have a wee, you are just wiping the excess off your pubes which are waterproof anyway.

Not sure if his theory was right BUT am currently pg and unable to reach my fanny for a short, back and sides and although I have the usual every 5 mins needing a wee and the lovely pgy associated discharge I find I dont smell like an old lady at the end of the day.

And when I have a bath or shower I use a quick swipe around with whatever soap or shower gel I am using, just a swipe though. Not a scrub or a thorough soaping.

Bubble bath gives me thrush btw.

NoneDirection Thu 03-Oct-13 10:42:05

Are vaginas allowed to smell of anything though? I think a baffling thing for young girls especially is that they are told that their vaginas "shouldn't smell" or that if they smell "out of the ordinary" then they should go to the doctors. As we are not dogs, we fortunately don't go round sniffing each other's nether regions and don't know what "out of the ordinary" is or what they should smell of.

I think all these FemFresh manufacturers play on this fear. Surely there is a scent in this region that isn't "meadow-fresh" or "lavender" but that is totally acceptable? I feel that a lot of people are just trying to obliterate ANY smell and are attempting to disinfect their vaginas on a daily basis.

I'm not advocating not washing BTW - we obv need to keep clean - but saying they shouldn't smell at all is kind of unnatural isn't it? After all musk is the basis of a lot of perfume!

I'm fascinated by how the hell people kept clean 100/200+ years ago. They all still shagged away merrily otherwise we wouldn't be here. They must have not cared at all. No doubt the rich had personal bottom washers but did the lower classes have the luxury of washing every day (every week?!)

Chunderella Thu 03-Oct-13 10:53:15

People get desensitised to smells. They must've stunk, but probably didn't notice. It would just have been how things smelled, you'd be used to it and never known anything else.

Oh god, can't believe I've come back to this thread again grin

I feel I need to defend myself and other users of femfresh wash not deodorant or douche or moisturiser
We are not all delicate flowers or repulsed by our own bodies.

Personally I really like the smell of cunt (admittedly I only know my own, but I have no reason to think it's out of the ordinary haha). I don't find it offensive, I have tasted it out of curiosity, and I do not wish to smell like air freshener, artificial strawberries, or god knows what else. I think women's natural smell is much better than men's, to be honest.

However, I don't want to smell so strong that I can actually get a whiff when I part my legs (which does happen sometimes in the heat of summer and especially when I am pregnant). That IS embarrassing, just as smelly armpits or smelly feet would be.

Also, suffering from thrush is bloody horrible. I've only had it for the first time this year and it is awful. Anything which helps - and the wash I posted earlier definitely does - is valuable. As mentioned I've also used natural yoghurt but this wash seems a good preventative measure. It doesn't make me smell of anything other than myself, but it does seem to keep everything clean and comfortable.

I don't shave but I do trim - I think the more shaven you are, the sweatier everything gets!

TheCrumpetQueen Thu 03-Oct-13 11:21:14

I agree, fanny smells better than penis and I'm hetero.

<gets coat>

Beastofburden Thu 03-Oct-13 11:27:15

it would explain a lot, as my generation are much less likely to shave or wax; we didnt really go in for these products.

Mintyy Thu 03-Oct-13 11:35:08

Froubylou
Have you ever heard the phrase too much information?

VenusDeWillendorf Thu 03-Oct-13 11:36:27

I got mild thrush when I was pg, and it was awful.
If I had known about low ph (acidic) wash I might have used it.

Menopausal women need more moisturising washes than soap and water as vaginal walls thin and become itchy and iterated.

I look forward to being able to find some relief from that as apparently it's awful.

The concept that healthy women need deodorising and moisturising is a bit ott. Proctor and gamble obviously have plans for us women!!

However we are being marketed at, its good to remember, we are not smelly and nasty 'down there', and if we are, we should visit the GP, as we have a fungal or bacterial infection.

VenusDeWillendorf Thu 03-Oct-13 11:40:11

Irritated obv, have yet to see a vaginal wall becoming iterated!! It think even that is beyond it's normal function smile

Don't be so hyperbolic Venus wink

froubylou Thu 03-Oct-13 11:43:34

Lol Mintyy, in a thread that mentions people tasting themselves, fanny washing and odours it is always going to be too much information for some.

Tis only a bit of oral sex.

lovingthelackofpressure Thu 03-Oct-13 11:45:46

I have to wash out spunk from my fanjo. THAT smells if left overnight(and I sometimes do).

valiumredhead Thu 03-Oct-13 12:00:55

Yeah but you don't put soap up there do you?

ParvatiTheWitch Thu 03-Oct-13 22:00:34

No, just Swafega. Oh sorry, that was to lovingthelackofpressure.

VenusDeWillendorf Thu 03-Oct-13 23:46:54

What do you mean valium?
didn't you hear the following joke?

Where's the soap? Yes, doesn't it!

valiumredhead Fri 04-Oct-13 11:44:17

Ha, not heard that for years grin

I was responding to I have to wash out spunk from my fanjo <winces>

Bumpstarter Fri 04-Oct-13 12:45:10

crumpet queen come back and explain which yoghurt you buy that has clotrimazole in it?

EmmaBemma Fri 04-Oct-13 12:59:05

I'm told by a doctor friend that bald fanjos are more prone to bacterial infections - she sees a lot more of them these days. But it could be that there are more bald fanjos these days in general and that's why she's seeing more.

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 13:32:59

Doctors are seeing more infected Bartholin Glands and abscesses/ cysts from people shaving pubic hair. I once saw a humongous abscess because of this in a patient. Absolutely awful and painful for her-she couldn't sit down properly. The Sporners would've had a field day with that one.

Minute nicks in the skin allow bacterial ingress. The hair doesn't just trap pheremonic scent, it also acts as a barrier to dirt and other nasties. Just like eyebrows and eyelashes protect the eyes.

Bumpstarter Fri 04-Oct-13 13:38:02

Where are bartholin glands?

cantspel Fri 04-Oct-13 13:40:45

batholin glads are inside the vagina so i dont see how shaving the outside is going to cause them.

I have had 2 batholin cysts at different times of my life both times i had not shaved.

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 13:42:05

The Barthoilin Glands are on either side of the Vaginal Opening in the Vestibular region (behind the small labia). They secrete the fluids that lubricate the region. They can become blocked naturally forming a sterile cyst. Sometimes this gets infected. However this particular case happened because of the patient shaving the labia and accidentally nicking herself. The swelling and infection blocked the glands. They make a lot of fluid so swell to enormous proportions if blocked or infected.

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 13:44:02

They are not inside the Vagina. They are Vestibular meaning they are inside the vault formed by the joining of the Labia Minora. If you do not take care shaving, their ability to free drain can become compromised by infection and swelling.

cantspel Fri 04-Oct-13 13:51:32

my cysts were just inside the opening of the vagina and my biggest one got to the size of an egg before it burst itself and river of smelly puss was released.

The cyst made me feel like i had flu and the pain from it stopped me sitting but as soon as it burst i felt 100% better. Horrible things

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 14:05:20

They are arent' they Cant. They make you feel very ill if they get infected and need surgically draining. Nasty things.

TheCrumpetQueen Fri 04-Oct-13 14:07:41

It has probiotics and good bacteria that soothe thrush, really helped with symptoms like itching

TheCrumpetQueen Fri 04-Oct-13 14:08:04

Didnt mean it had the exact same ingredients

valiumredhead Fri 04-Oct-13 14:08:38

Size of an egg? <faints>shock

cantspel Fri 04-Oct-13 14:14:46

Yes a hens egg not a little birds egg. I have never seen so much puss and the sac then i could pull the sac out like a bit of deflated ballon.

Mine burst before the doctor got to cut it out. I was in so much pain waiting for the appointment i put magnesium sulphate on it which made it burst itself. I wouldn't recommend anyone put magnesium sulphate on the inside of their fanjo but these things are so painful you will try anything.

Do you feel sick yet?

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 14:15:24

Valium They grow to the most enormous sizes and I have seen photographs of Bartholin Cysts the size of a large orange. Usually they burst or get drained before then. It can depend where you are in your Menstrual cycle too as to how big they grow as the clear discharge they produce is hormonally governed.

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 14:16:03

Sometimes the cyst wall requires lancing to stop it filling up again.

CuChullain Fri 04-Oct-13 14:18:57

@fuzzpig

"I wonder if there's an equivalent Willy Wash that men are encouraged to use "

Not yet, but I am sure it is in development and will be advertised in 'Men's Health' soon.

Most blokes just use shower gel, but even then we have to be a bit careful as some soaps/gels can be a bit aggresive and cause skin irritations. I had an awkward moment a few years ago when the end of my knob became incredibly sensitive and I had to go and see the cock doctor who reassured me that is was not serious and fairly common. Gave me a big tub of cream to use for a few weeks and told me to change my soap. Trying to explain that one to Mrs CuChullain was a bit embarassing.

SkodaLabia Fri 04-Oct-13 14:22:54

Have just googled.

<lies down>

valiumredhead Fri 04-Oct-13 14:28:02

Cantspel-odd mix of fascination and waves of nausea grin

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 14:32:00

CuChull yes, something young boys need advising about. Uncircumcised penises are especially vulnerable to irritation around the glans and meatus because they are the epithelial layer isn't as toughened up (No horny layer of skin cells form grin). Old soap residue gets into the meatus (where the urine comes out of) and irritates.

Canesten doesn't contain probiotics. It contains an anti fungal, lubricant and preservatives

TheCrumpetQueen Fri 04-Oct-13 16:15:38

Ok thanks for that. I just meant that yoghurt soothes thrush

valiumredhead Fri 04-Oct-13 16:18:38

Yes it certainly does, natural yog is fab stuff.

JenaiMorris Fri 04-Oct-13 19:10:46

I can't read "yog" without thinking of George Michael.

Can we stick to the full "yoghurt" please?

<bossy face>

DustBunnyFarmer Fri 04-Oct-13 20:18:12

"I wonder if there's an equivalent Willy Wash that men are encouraged to use "

If I recall a range of men's intimate wipes is now available, called Wingman if I recall. So it seems the marketeers are targetting smelly willies as well as whiffy minges.

GatoradeMeBitch Fri 04-Oct-13 20:58:55

Can I just check - when we say 'don't wash your vagina with anything but water' are we talking actual vagina, or the entire area? I don't use soap internally, but I think you have to wash the general undercarriage don't you?

GatoradeMeBitch Fri 04-Oct-13 21:04:18

Nevermind, I read the whole thread and got my answer!

digerd Fri 04-Oct-13 21:11:22

As a teenager, I sprayed the outside of the vag area during a period and it made me scream in agony. Never did that again.
I read that vaginal douching was unnecessary as it cleaned itself.

I had a Bartolin's cyst and couldn't sit properly til it burst. It was about the size of a large marble then. I have been very careful since.

mignonette Fri 04-Oct-13 22:15:14

You don't need to clean inside the vagina w/ anything. However washing the perineum, Vulva and Perianus with a mild cleaning agent is advised. And ensure you wash front to back.

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