To give DD (4) soya milk...

(70 Posts)
Feminine Tue 24-Sep-13 14:44:04

at school 'milk time'?

The school is fine with it. Apparently the many of her reception class don't like the milk that is provided.

I remembered that sometimes she enjoys the Alpro strawberry carton.

So, she will be drinking one 5 times a week!

I know that the jury is out on soya... is that too much for a little girl?

Obviously I know that with a diary allergy there is little choice. My dd does not have that concern and it made me wonder?

Thanks all smile

Regards Tue 24-Sep-13 14:46:29

Why soya milk, why not ordinary flavoured milk or smoothie? There are some very nice smoothies available or you could make your own using fresh fruit liquidised up with milk.

What's wrong with soya? I've missed that one. other than that it tastes foul

I don't see the problem, I hate milk always have some it's vile and somehow deemed the be all and end all when it's meant for cows not humans smile if she likes the soya let her have the soya. smile

SoftSheen Tue 24-Sep-13 14:51:56

Or you could just give her strawberry or chocolate flavoured cow's milk?

Feminine Tue 24-Sep-13 14:57:10

The soya one is UHT also. Like the school milk cartons. I didn't want to cause a problem in the classroom.

Plus, I know she will drink it.

Our school milk might have got warm back in the 70's but at least it was fresh! grin

SuperiorCat Tue 24-Sep-13 15:04:07

What caffeine said

Pobblewhohasnotoes Tue 24-Sep-13 15:21:51

You can get Alpro soya milk which has calcium added, it has a giraffe on the front. If you're going to do it.

I give that to my DS recommended by our dietician as he has a milk allergy as there's some thought behind kids only on soya developing bad teeth.

Would she not just drink milkshake?

That comes in 1litre cartons and is aimed at babies and toddlers. The milkshakes still contain calcium and come in little cartons. The Koko strawberry milkshake cartons are delicious aswell smile

Feminine Tue 24-Sep-13 16:14:38

Thanks all. I will continue to let her take it. Appreciate the suggestions too!

IndridCold Tue 24-Sep-13 18:03:46

Article here about doubts over soya (apologies for DM link, but Joanna Blythman is a good writer). I don't think drinking it would do your DD any harm but personally I wouldn't want to give a young child too much after reading this.

DS didn't really like milk much and never drank anything like the amount he should have done. He did make up for it in cheese consumption though!

tywysogesgymraeg Tue 24-Sep-13 18:06:09

If you're worried about soya, there are other milks you could try: almond, hazelnut, oat, and coconut to name but 4.

Feminine Tue 24-Sep-13 19:25:27

Thanks again for the latest help.

I'm not having any luck finding any other milks, ie almond in small cartons.

I could decant, but it wouldn't be kept cold at school.

would it stay fresh?

I wouldn't worry about the soya. One carton a day is not going to harm her. It's like anything else, eat and drink too much of it and everything's a problem. Toouch cows milk isn't good either.

Honestly it's fine. smile

DiaryofaHollandParkParent Tue 24-Sep-13 19:39:00

Just a comment about soya being bad for teeth. My dd now 17 has been on soya since a few months old and has perfect teeth - no fillings.

ThisWayForCrazy Tue 24-Sep-13 19:46:43

My 3 year old has been eating/drinking soya everyday since he was 8 months. I am unaware this is an issue tbh.

PrimalLass Tue 24-Sep-13 19:49:42

I wouldn't. Soy is estrogenic.

Dd2 has been on soya milk since a yr and soya yogurts since six months and other milk subs in cooking. Drs/dietitian have never ever mentioned it either.

trilogyofjuniper Tue 24-Sep-13 19:53:07

When mine were little I gave them all sorts of milk (never cows' milk though) - soya, almond, oat - there are many on the market. We all have excellent teeth!

ThisWayForCrazy Tue 24-Sep-13 19:57:35

I believe it's only particularly beneficial for body builders or older males to reduce their estrogen intake.

SaucyJack Tue 24-Sep-13 20:00:21

It'd be fine for her, but I don't think it's fair on the other kids if she sits there with a sugary milkshake when they're supposed to be having a healthy drink.

ThisWayForCrazy Tue 24-Sep-13 20:16:05

Alpro soya contains roughly 9.1g sugars per 100ml and full fat milk contains over 12g...

cruisepool Tue 24-Sep-13 20:17:25

How about these if you would rather avoid soy?

www.realfoods.co.uk/product/25769/koko-chocolate-coconut-milk-calcium-dairy-free-250ml

I shop there and they do small cartons of almond milk too. I am sure my local sainsburys do them too in the uht milk aisle. I was surprised at the variety they had

ThisWayForCrazy Tue 24-Sep-13 20:17:38

* sorry correct info -

Soya strawberry 4.55g sugars in 100ml

Full fat milk 4.7g sugars in 100ml

Feminine Tue 24-Sep-13 20:38:51

saucy I have asked the teacher and she said its all totally fine. I told her to let me know if any children are upset. TBH, many of the class are avoiding the milk as it tastes so bad! I think some others are doing their own thing.

Its not really a milkshake, so no bold tempting packaging IYSMIM smile

I'm not actually too worried about the sugars, although grateful to see them ~ Thanks. DD is a slight build and has a healthy diet for the most part.

I'm going to check those links , thanks cruise smile

Misspixietrix Tue 24-Sep-13 21:04:13

Ds is lacto intolerant he has the alpro soya cartons I bring in. OP I use to get the Big cartons and the Teachers would put it in a Cup for him but then the kids were kicking off wondering why he got to have his in a Cup/beaker and they didnt! grin I buy the vanilla cartons as they dont have plain in the carton with straw Types. It looks more like his friends then so they dont have a meltdown and Ds dont feel left out as he gets to have the 'same' thing as his friends. Its a case of trial and error with soya some of the stuff I wouldnt Feed to a dog is foul and others are actually quite yummy!

Feminine Tue 24-Sep-13 21:08:50

miss I'm going to look for those too. They sound a bit like the 'regular' milk some of the others are having!

Thank you smile

Groovee Tue 24-Sep-13 21:10:46

Can I ask you to check there are no allergies if you do take almond milk. I have a brownie who is allergic to almonds and the school nearly killed her last year when they used marzipan on cakes.

bellablot Tue 24-Sep-13 21:13:00

Something about soya disrupting hormones. Children shouldn't eat too much of the stuff, espesh little girls

Remember something about it not being great for teeth years ago on some TV prog.

Lots of pics of diseased milk teeth!

saggyhairyarse Tue 24-Sep-13 21:17:13

Why isn't the milk cold at your DDs school though? At ours, they divide it up and put it in coolboxes with ice packs outside the classrooms and the kids have it at morning breaktime so it is still chilled.

I would have to read the studies to know whether the research about soya causing premature puberty, affecting ova maturation and embryonic development were relevant to humans.

awaywiththepixies Tue 24-Sep-13 21:36:37

I would rather give my kids coke than soya milk. It's evil, GM in most cases, rubbish.

phantomnamechanger Tue 24-Sep-13 21:44:14

awaywiththepixies - don't be daft, I assume you have never had to make that decision. soya milk for many is the simplest & most widely available alternative to cows milk if there is a problem with dairy.

DD has been on soya milk since she was 3 and is now almost 12. she has coke maybe once every couple of moths when we go out or at a party. she has perfect teeth, no fillings or cavities or shading.

And cows milk is just so great hmm

oohdaddypig Tue 24-Sep-13 21:48:05

I wouldn't. The jury is still out on soy milk. I just don't think we're meant to drink heavily processed soya beans. And not five days a week.

Misspixietrix Tue 24-Sep-13 22:04:51

Does nobodys school have. Fridge? confused DC's school always puts Ds's along with the other Milk in theFridges? The Nursery used to have its own but now hes Reception it goes in the bottom Staffroom. I never liked Dd being given a lukewarm carton that someonehad forgot to put back at the end id the day as a treat <Snob disclaimer> grin. OP they sell the 3packs in Tesco for £1.09. They are next to the Chocolate and Strawberry Milks in the Big Stores smile

kali110 Tue 24-Sep-13 22:10:36

Yanbu! I cant drink milk anymore due to being forced to drink it when i was little and most times it was rank!i always wanted the juice :-(
Get the soya strawberry, its lovely, so is the chocolate and banana!

kali110 Tue 24-Sep-13 22:11:56

I used to have soya nearly everyday sometimes more than once at my last job. Hot chocolate made with soya just tastes soooo much better

ivykaty44 Tue 24-Sep-13 22:16:26

Cows milk is meant for cows, why do humans drink milk that is meant for calfs? Why is milk marketed to be good for you ever wondered if it is propaganda. Why don't two thirds of the world drink milk designed for calfs and not have any problems not drinking the stuff
a few myths about milk

Totally agree ivy

People rely far to heavily on milk to suppliment kids diets. It creates more health problems than it solves.

primarymonkeyhanger Tue 24-Sep-13 22:33:02

I can't believe some kids were 'kicking off' because a child had their own milk in a cup! A child in my class had a milk allergy and mum brought in big cartons of almond milk that she had at milk time. Another child had a yoghurt drink out of his lunchbox, many others get water from the tap.

It should not be an issue at all. I am shocked that the rest of he class are having UHT milk, how come it is not fresh? Ours is delivered everyday about an hour before milk time but we dont have enough fridge space for 150 cartons. It is still cool on all but the hottest day though.

JenaiMorris Tue 24-Sep-13 22:57:54

Strawberry milk, whether from cows, soya beans or hand spun from carefully harvested moonbeams, is surely sweeter than plain milk. And pinker.

It's not really in the spirit of school milk. Am not at all certain about the nutrition side, but it's wrong.

JenaiMorris Tue 24-Sep-13 23:02:52

Hang on, who the fuck is Vivian Goldschmidt, "MA"? I would take that site with a rather large pinch of salt.

kali110 Tue 24-Sep-13 23:03:56

Id would rather my child was drinking something they liked than be forced to drink something they hated.some soya drinks have less calories and sat fat than full fat milk

Misspixietrix Wed 25-Sep-13 00:32:12

primarymonkeyhanger me neither confused one kid had a right meltdown because she wanted hers in a cup like Ds's. To be fair they were 3 and 4 so don't really understand when a teacher tells them why master pixie has to have his in a cup and that his don't really taste very nice as hers but the poor sod has no choice. He doesn't kick off when he sees a kid with something different. He accepts that having such things will leave him with a very upset tummy like it did last week.when he nabbed the sponge and custard for his pudding when the dinner lady wasn't looking! grin

ivykaty44 Wed 25-Sep-13 07:43:00

Jeana to much salt can cause health problems - better to use onion granules or go and read something by a biochemist Colin Cambell or Caldwell Esselstyn a surgeon.

Tbh, with the dairy industry being one if the biggest world wide, and the fact it sponsors sports and is advertised in every drs surgery/nhs facility I don't think anyone will really ever hear the truth about it. Those that do speak ill of milk will forever be renegade to blogs and obscure websites where no one takes it seriously.

DontPanicMrMannering Wed 25-Sep-13 08:13:53

I refuse to give credence to a site supported by fuckwits that declare stuff like

"I have met people with past cancers, that were told they would die soon, but instead of having doctors force feed them their pharmaceutical propaganda, they switched to alternative programs, most were switching to all raw organic vegan diets. Needless to say their cancers reversed and they are still alive and kicking!"

Yeah alright then hmm

And you are entitled to believe what you like too smile

All I know is my kids are far healthier without it than they ever were with it, so no, I don't believe that a substance meant for other animals is good for us.

JenaiMorris Wed 25-Sep-13 08:59:37

'Needless to say their cancers reversed' - that would be funny if it didn't prey on desperate people.

I don't doubt that lots of people are better off reducing or eliminating dairy - I do however doubt people who make out that vegan, raw diets regularly cure terminal cancer.

Mind, I've only got a BA. Who am I to doubt someone with an MA hmm

Feminine Wed 25-Sep-13 10:33:10

groovee good point.

I'll do that.

I'm more confused than ever smile

The teachers have agreed the school milk is vile. I wish they would get the lovely bottles back. At least it was milk, with cream on the top!

kali110 Wed 25-Sep-13 14:46:49

Wish id given my darling dad soya to cure his cancer

ivykaty44 Wed 25-Sep-13 19:24:43

drinking milk has risks

tis even on the cancer uk website that it is thought milk may cause prostate cancer -http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/type/prostate-cancer/about/prostate-cancer-risks-and-causes

ivykaty44 Wed 25-Sep-13 19:25:01
Retroformica Thu 26-Sep-13 11:04:21

Nut based milks are better

kali110 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:08:53

People who have had cancer before should not have soya milk.
Op think your fine i wish i had had these options when a child!

Feminine Thu 26-Sep-13 11:14:04

Thanks retro

There is a nut ban in the school though.

I've just remembered that DD has a friend( in class) that has an almond allergy.

Also, carrageenan (sp) is added to many 'healthy' milks. It has been linked as a carcinogen in some reports.

I think ( as of today) its back to decanting! smile

RussiansOnTheSpree Thu 26-Sep-13 11:16:38

Of course, people have milk allergies too. I do. That never seems to bother schools. The dairy lobby is one of the most powerful in the world. sad

choceyes Thu 26-Sep-13 11:25:03

DS doesn't drink the school milk either. He doesnt drink milk even at home. NOt a problem. He eats lots of cheese and yoghurt, so not short of calcium.
Your DD doesnt' HAVE to drink the school milk does she, or need an alternative? Does she get upset that she doesnt' have a drink at the same time as her friends? Doesn't think it bothers DS at all as he knows he dislikes milk. Maybe it's different for your DD as she does actually like milk, just not school milk...is that the issue?

I'd give the unsweetned soya milk cartons personally.

Feminine Thu 26-Sep-13 11:31:55

choc I'd like her to have something in her tummy that time of day also.

Otherwise its just water...

DD does like milk at home, not massively but she will drink it.

We use cravandale, it does taste cleaner and with very little after taste. I'm not surprised the school milk tastes nasty to so many of them grin

SHarri13 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:33:05

My DS has a CMPA and I won't touch soya with a barge pole. We use almond but Koko and oat are good alternatives if you need but free. The make small cartons of strawberry koko with a straw.

SHarri13 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:34:29

Did you know 50% of people with cows milk allergies have a soy allergy as the proteins are so similar. Not specific to OP but an interesting fact.

Feminine Thu 26-Sep-13 11:39:02

That is interesting sh

My sister did. In those days there were no 'go to' products. My Mum had to make up baby formula soy for her long after weaning!

and the whole family if it was a white sauce <feels sick again>

doorkeeper Thu 26-Sep-13 12:04:12

Bear in mind that plenty of people elsewhere in the world eat soya products in far greater quantities than, say, a wee little carton of soya milk a day, with no discernible ill effects.

If she likes alpro, I don't see any problem.

oohdaddypig Thu 26-Sep-13 13:35:13

Plenty of people do eat soya in the world in for form of edamame beans and fermented soya such as miso.

Soya milk, from soya beans is a heavily industrialised process.

I would not feed soya milk to my dog let alone my child!

doorkeeper Thu 26-Sep-13 14:05:56

oohdaddypig, the same places which eat edamame and miso also invented soya milk. And tofu, which is made from soya milk.

And if you think that soya milk is some sort of industrial devil's milk, then you probably might want to have a look at the dairy industry, too, if you are bothered about industrialised products.

We use dairy products and soya products. It's no big deal. We're fine.

girliefriend Thu 26-Sep-13 14:20:38

Both me and my dd get upset stomachs if we drink cows milk so we now have rice milk, was surprised at how nice this is and dd doesn't even notice a difference now.

I also found my delicate stomach didn't cope well with soya and was concerned about the hormonal links.

oohdaddypig Thu 26-Sep-13 14:36:29

Doorkeeper, the evidence on soya is that it seems to disrupt hormones in kids more than adults. It possibly is a causative factor in some hormonal cancers in adults too.

Worth the risk for some nice strawberry stuff in a carton? Nah...

I don't particularly like dairy industry either but full fat organic is probably the lesser of the evils here.

Misspixietrix Sun 13-Oct-13 12:55:22

Sorry if I missed it OP what did you decide to do in the end?

GatoradeMeBitch Sun 13-Oct-13 14:07:58

I have to avoid soya because it has a depressive affect on the thyroid gland. I'm already hypo-thyroid and it makes me lethargic and bloated. I switched to rice milk.

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