To think if someone makes your baby smile you smile at them?

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BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:28:52

Usual disclaimers. Have life, do get out, am aware of crisis in Syria.

Twice today at a huge marks I had cute babies near me as me and a mate browsed. Twice we interacted. They smiles, we commented on baby's cuteness within earshot of mum. Both times mum said nothing. And definitely heard.

When I was with tinies these kind if things made me day, when you were pretty bored and loved it when your baby was admired.
Is this no longer the case? The interactions lasted seconds, were not creepy or anything (babies about 1 year old, were very smiley ) and tbh we stopped them whinging on by making them smile.

It's not the end of the world but is this the norm that mum doesn't acknowledge these?

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:29:19

"A mate and I ". Argh. Grammar fail

Famzilla Mon 23-Sep-13 17:32:51

I'm partially deaf (you would have no idea just by looking at me obviously) and often don't hear things unless I'm focusing on the object the sound is coming from IYSWIM.

I overcompensate by being hyper alert of my surroundings and smiling at pretty much everyone I walk past, but I can't concentrate on everything at once so it may well have been me in the situation you described!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:34:36

I would.

No doubt there are some who are depressed, for instance but some people just probably never were that sociable and having a baby isn't going to change that.

It's a shame when a chance to be kind to each other in public passes by but I'm an old Polyanna

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 17:34:54

They probably thought you were invading their baby's relaxing reverie time and were maybe possibly going to do something as awful as offer your finger for the baby to grip.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:35:39

Betsy

I would focus on all the people who do acknowledge the smiles etc. There are probably way more of those

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:35:54

Oh I didn't touch. Just was trying to be kind! wrings hands

I should have known better.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:36:08

squoosh

or God Forbid, kiss the baby. Eeek!

GladitsnotJustMe Mon 23-Sep-13 17:36:36

Once in a shop, cute baby in pushchair dropped her toy next to me. I retrieved it and handed it back to the child, smiling. Baby was all smiley.. parents who watched the whole thing just stared at me as if I was about to abduct their child. Didn't say thank you or anything....

What is wrong with people?

BramshawHill Mon 23-Sep-13 17:36:39

Maybe the baby wasn't a great sleeper and the mum was too tired to fake a smile, or she had something going on in her life that she was too busy thinking about to notice you. You might have been the 10th person to make her baby smile that day and she didn't feel like having that conversation again.

I like when people comment about and smile at my baby, its nice to be complimented but I have had days when I just don't have it in me to interact in any way.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:37:02

This baby looked very hard as I tried on a coat. When made an approval sound. We laughed at him as fashion pundit. Then coochie cooed. He laughed.

He (ahem) didn't like his mums coat so much.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:37:52

Glad

Or ... what is right with people? The fact that you noticed this means that most of the time most people are nice.

A few are not and having children doesn't change that.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:38:36

... or what Bramshaw said

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:38:52

I get that people might be a) deaf b) depressed c) preoccupied c) axe murderers.

But to meet so many in one store?!
We did also laugh that at one point the security guard was almost crawling along the floor behind a shelf talking into his walkie-talkie. It was like being on an undercover op !

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:39:31

Limited edition stuff was lovely btw

PoppyAmex Mon 23-Sep-13 17:41:55

I have a 18 month old DD and I have sincerely warm, fuzzy feelings for any stranger who makes her fleetingly happy.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:43:02

Betsey

Depends what store

<sniffs in hoity toity way>

YoureBeingADick Mon 23-Sep-13 17:43:09

oh FGS so now there's a rule we have to smile at people at their command! wink

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 17:43:47

Poppy

I tell anyone I meet with a child what lovely eyes he/she has. Whether it's true or not. Gives me a cheap thrill

RunnerHasbeen Mon 23-Sep-13 17:44:34

I definitely would of it was someone on their own, but might find it harder if it was two people having a conversation. I'd feel more like I was butting in, if that makes sense. Maybe it was just having your friend there as well that made people a bit less friendly?

CoffeeTea103 Mon 23-Sep-13 17:46:04

This happens to me often. The other day I saw the cutest little boy at the store. I smiled at him and he starts giggling and claps his hands, so the mum looks at me and literally scowls to my face and pushes his pram around and walks away.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:46:48

Well maybe the flick knives at tatts did it.

I'll start telling them what an evil fecker their baby is ;)

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 17:47:12

And tatts

YoniBottsBumgina Mon 23-Sep-13 17:47:59

Maybe they're just knackered? Or don't speak English? (In reply to your comment that they must have heard)

1yos are pretty easy in terms of shopping partners, but I remember slightly older babies being a fucking nightmare to trail through shops, I was probably on autopilot and a fug of sleeplessness not even noticing if a stranger was within 6 feet of my baby. Maybe theirs hit that stage early?

Damnautocorrect Mon 23-Sep-13 17:49:15

I've noticed this, since ds has gone to school so it's just me smiling now. I get totally ignored by the mums where normally I'd get a smile off them too

DoudousDoor Mon 23-Sep-13 17:51:49

I agree with OP but also with runner.

If someone is talking about your baby then it would seem a bit rude to butt in and say "thanks I know he's lovely".

That said, I did smile and smile at this teenage girl who was literally gushing over toddler DS, saying she wanted one (the teenage boyfriend was not so gushing grin) Until she got to the point of saying she wanted this one (i.e. DS) and wished she could steal him hmm

Then I firmly pointed DS in the direction of some flowers to look at which were a long way away from her! (I know I know, she didn't mean it but it did make me uncomfortable)

BrokenSunglasses Mon 23-Sep-13 17:52:06

I prefer being able to make faces at babies and get them to smile without having to make inane small talk with their mothers, so the people you met would have suited me.

I like babies more than I like randoms who just happen to be shopping at the same time as me.

JenaiMorris Mon 23-Sep-13 17:52:27

I once got terribly upset after a trip into town because not as many people as usual cooed over baby ds blush

I'm quite sure I always smiled back, although sleep deprivation and general new parent befuddlement might have caused me to miss a few of his worshipers.

WantedGSOH Mon 23-Sep-13 17:53:31

I have a ninth month old DS who's always on the lookout for someone to return his giant gummy grins.. Especially in supermarket. I love it when people interact with him, makes me feel proud.

Today an old chap got caught in the smiling radar, & stopped & said "ooh, you're giving me an oldfashioned look aren't you son?" Then looked at me. I was abit confused but nodded inanely!

Please keep smiling, it may be my baby one day & we both like it!

also perhaps you should go to waitrise instead

candycoatedwaterdrops Mon 23-Sep-13 17:55:07

I have a face that makes babies smile which is either very good or very bad. I've had a similar experience to you, OP and been glared at like I was attacking their baby with a hammer, not smiling at a grizzly tot in a supermarket queue. Never mind, I like babies - their parents, not so much!

SilverApples Mon 23-Sep-13 17:56:17

I make a baby smile, that's enough interaction for me. I rather like being able to do it without the adult noticing.

mrsjay Mon 23-Sep-13 17:56:23

oh dear thats a shame they ignored you you are turning into a baby botherer grin I am one of those,

tbh some parents just dont have a clue how to interact and sometimes they hear so much about people invading space that they are untrusting of people which is sad, I love talking to babies and I sometimes get funny looks or blank faces, hey least the baby smiled

whippetwoman Mon 23-Sep-13 17:57:29

I do smile at people who make my 14 month old DS smile but I am shy with strangers and do feel a bit embarrassed and self-conscious doing it sometimes. It's just shyness on my part I think. I wouldn't ignore them though or walk about with a face like a slapped arse.

DeWe Mon 23-Sep-13 18:00:29

I wouldn't necessarily respond if you were talking to your friend. If you addressed me I would.

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 18:03:12

The last child I smiled at shouted to his Dad 'I DON'T LIKE THAT LADY....DAD, DAD...............I DON'T LIKE THAT LADY.'

That'll teach me for smiling nicely at an unknown child. The father and I did find it hilarious though. grin

LynetteScavo Mon 23-Sep-13 18:12:09

You want thanks from the parents for making a baby smile? confused

I smile at babies if the opportunity arises. A smile back from the baby would be enough thanks for me. I wouldn't expect anything from the parents.

God, I've been there - trying to shop with a baby, dreading they were going to demand the next feed before I'd actually tried anything on. The most you would have got out of me if you interacted with my baby would have been a weak and weary smile.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 18:13:54

no - just a smile of recognition that you bothered.
i dont NEED IT , no, just noticed that it doesn't happen

this isnt like a huge deal, its my day off, I had noticed it, thats al

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 18:22:36

Lynette
A weak and weary smile is nice.

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 18:24:54

I'm the mother of a toddler quite mardy so unlikely to crack you a smile, OP. And if you're interacting with my baby, why do I have to, pray tell? That my children are adorable is not something I am really responsible for (see above, esp. 'mardy'). Also, if you are only fawning over them to solicit my approval, I can give you a massive list of things I am more impressed by. Or is it that you think I should be grateful for your unsolicited attention? I find it difficult to be anything but begrudging in this context, partially because I resent the way that being a mother is such a public role, in the sense that it feels like people are constantly on the guidelines grading my performance. Giving me ten out of ten doesn't really placate me, because it's the sense of being graded I resent. But then I am very, very mardy.

LimitedEditionLady Mon 23-Sep-13 18:30:27

I dont think i always smile at people when they talk to ds,depends on whether im occupied with something else at the same time ie paying in a shop and talking to cashier but if its someone directly in front of me i always acknowledge.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 18:33:03

you have lots of mates, then sparklyboots? grin

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 18:35:10

Actually, I do. It's the randoms that irritate my mardy bone

AveryJessup Mon 23-Sep-13 18:47:03

Sometimes I feel a bit awkward when someone interacts with my DS like this as I'm never sure if they want to interact with me too or are just smiling / waving at the cute toddler in passing. If it's obvious that they're stopping to talk then I'll smile back and say 'thank you' if they're complimenting him. If it's a quick smile and wave then I'll vaguely smile into the middle distance too, kind of hovering. But sometimes it's not clear and I don't want it to turn into something awkward so I just keep moving, trying to look friendly IYKWIM!

YANBU to expect them to smile back and be friendly but it just won't necessarily happen every time for various reasons. Not everyone has great social skills etc.

Jackanory1978 Mon 23-Sep-13 19:21:56

I love it when someone smiles at my baby & calls him cute cos obviously he is the cutest baby in the world, ever it always makes me smile at them. Tbh I feel a bit miffed when shop assistants etc ignore him.

Plus having been entertaining a 5 month old all day it's nice to speak to some grown up people, & the baby is the perfect ice breaker.

Oriunda Mon 23-Sep-13 19:24:01

If they're directly in front of me eg at supermarket till I will always smile back. However, one thing I am less happy about is people on night flights trying to wave at my toddler from the seats in front/behind when I am very obviously trying to get him to calm down/off to sleep.

phantomnamechanger Mon 23-Sep-13 19:33:03

I smile and play peekaboo all the time with bored looking babies and tots whose parents/carers are too busy texting or talking to a friend to interact with them. the babies love it, the carers sometimes do not even notice.

I well remember the glow I felt when a drunk young man (skinhead, tatts) stopped dead in front of 6 mo DD in buggy and said , wow lady, that is the most gorgeous baby girl I ever saw, just look at those big blue eyes. Another time I bought a Big Issue of a 40 + man, he said thanks darling and god bless you and your beautiful baby (crouching to smile at DD and she smiled back). Little things make a difference.

some people are too busy/stressed/self obsessed to smile or even notice others around them, and that's sad.

K8Middleton Mon 23-Sep-13 19:36:44

You sound a bit needy. I have a smiley baby and if I smiled at everyone she did I wouldn't get anything done for grinning like a loon all the live long day. After 4 or 5 inane chats about my smiley baby I start to feel a bit irritable.

Really, I am knackered and I have a baby to entertain. I can do without entertaining strangers too. But I live in London where we'd rather cut our own heads off than have a chat with a stranger so if I manage half a dozen inane chats a day I am waaaaaay above quota.

purrpurr Mon 23-Sep-13 19:53:49

God, I was that person today. At Drs with DD, 4 months old. A few ladies were smiling at her and I was swinging her about a bit to make her giggle instead of cry and 1) I was shit at socialising pre-baby, I'm just as crap now AND I'm more exhausted than I ever thought possible, I feel sick most of the time, not conducive to socialising and 2) heaving a 13lb baby around is flipping hard work, I was a sweaty gaspy mess after a few minutes.

Dear nice smiley ladies,
I'm sorry for being crap. DD liked you and I liked that you helped keep her happy until her appointment.
Insert friendly comments about the weather and current affairs (or whatever it is we're supposed to talk about when socialising)
Me

MrsOakenshield Mon 23-Sep-13 20:00:02

they may have been completely zombified after the night from hell - who knows. Probably later on they'll remember your comments and smile.

purrpurr Mon 23-Sep-13 20:03:13

Mrs, ain't that the truth. A lady in the pharmacy today really went all out to try to coax a smile from a tired DD and I could have hugged her.

SaucyJack Mon 23-Sep-13 20:05:30

Do you need waiters to give you a sticker if you all of your dinner up in restaurants too?

I talk to babies. But I deo it because I like them, not because I want their mums to lick my arse.

FrussoHathor Mon 23-Sep-13 20:18:13

My ds (4mths) is a smiley baby, he like people looking at him, he does this little wiggle to get noticed, then when he is he beams at them, he starts baby-shouting if they don't look at him. Then he beams at them.
If I smiled at everyone who made him smile I'd look like a loon never get anything done.
And sometimes I've had a shit day, and no sleep, and stressed over SN dd, and someone making ds smile really isn't the most important thing at that moment in time.

He may be a sociable little thing, but it doesn't mean I am.

Except when he's tired and needs to go to sleep and is grumbling. In which case if you started grinning and cooing at him then I might give you a glare and bid a hasty retreat.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 20:21:18

i want a pic of the baby who grins like a loon.

I can assure you that i am not needy * laughs hysterically at the very notion*

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 20:25:42

I don't think it's needy to like a bit of give and take.

If I and the OP are needy them some of you are misanthropic grumps

So ner

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 20:27:07

K8

I live in London. I live in a bit where people talk to each other. The local Estate Agents assure us it's a "village" though, so maybe that's why ...

mrsjay Mon 23-Sep-13 20:27:31

It is called human interaction not neediness . hmm

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 20:29:11

same with a dog I suppose. If someone says " what a nice bloodhound" you would nod or interact

to BLANK them would be freaky

mrsjay Mon 23-Sep-13 20:31:12

please dont get the dog and babies mixed up people will blank you if you say ooo whos a good baby then grin

VinegarDrinker Mon 23-Sep-13 20:35:46

My 2.5 year old has an excellent combination of being very articulate but also extremely shy around strangers.

I.regularly have to apologise to well meaning strangers while blushing furiously in shops/at the park/on the bus etc as he loudly says "Mummy, that lady is LOOKING at me. And that's NOT VERY KIND".

FrussoHathor Mon 23-Sep-13 20:36:13

But the baby is a human, so human interaction covered. Plus the baby is a person in their own right, and acknowledged you smiling.

If you were with someone else, and commenting to them, why world the mum think you were talking to her? About her baby yes, but to her not necessarily.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 20:36:43

oh i dont like toddlers after 2 they are of NO INTEREST

FrussoHathor Mon 23-Sep-13 20:37:52

hmm

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 20:38:15

Wait till your kids are boring old 7 and 8 year olds, you'll be wailing in the streets 'WHY is no one telling me how cute my kids are God??????'

chandellina Mon 23-Sep-13 20:38:34

I'm probably guilty. I figure the interaction is between my child and the person and doesn't really need my validation. I would respond though if I thought someone was speaking to me.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 20:39:12

oh my kids are way older than that squoosh

Mintyy Mon 23-Sep-13 20:39:17

I think that an astonishing number of people lack the ability to participate in the most basic levels of sociability, tbh. They are clueless about normal human interaction. They live in a bubble and don't want anything whatsoever to do with "strangers". Tis a shame.

VinegarDrinker Mon 23-Sep-13 20:43:06

I have to say I felt a rush of fondness for a couple of American ladies who got on the train when I was with DD (2.5 months). Having done a comically OTT "OMG we LOVE your baby!" one then proceeded to ask "and how are YOU feeling?", which was unusual and made a pleasant change from "is it a boy or girl" or "is s/he good?".

I'm an antisocial moo usually, tbh, but I'll always smile/chat out of politeness.

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 21:02:15

But it's not fair to just expect give and take when the other party hasn't agreed to give or take anything. E.g.. I can't give you a random.quid then get annoyed when you don't give me something in return. And let's remember you'd had interaction with the baby, not the mother. It does rather smack of 'you should be grateful for my attention.' I never agreed to accept the gift of your attention or approval, and actually don't want it. So remind me again why I have to thank you for it?

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 21:06:46

Bloody hell.

mrsjay Mon 23-Sep-13 21:10:48

I agree with you mintyy you dont need to grin like a loon to show you are aware somebody is talking to your baby

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 21:11:19

I second that with a blimey

mrsjay Mon 23-Sep-13 21:12:37

oh dear sparkly is that what you really think that people are expecting some sort of hoorayy for talking to a baby,

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 21:15:58

Sparkly

People aren't trying to impose on you/take something from you. They are trying to engage. That's nice for them, potentially nice for you. If I felt as you do I'd be wondering if I was a bit depressed (I have been depressed before)

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 21:16:08

No, I just think they can get on and do it without requiring anything off me?

purrpurr Mon 23-Sep-13 21:16:44

Ahh cripes, we're making Victor Meldrew look like Kate Moss. You know, like a party animal, all sociable and stuff. Do you get the joke yet or do I need to keep on going until I get deleted as a person? If there is a god he's looking at me with some despair and hitting Ctrl + Z repeatedly... 'What do you mean, can't undo? Undo! Undo!! Oh, no, wait, look, there's no need to roll out the blue screen of death...'

What was I saying? Was I illustrating what happens when you make excruciatingly crap at social stuff folk be sociable? Yes. Awkward.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 23-Sep-13 21:16:58

... because you sound so annoyed by other people and suspicious too.

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 21:22:12

Ha, I'm not depressed, though generally very mardy, as detailed up thread, plus I have a toddler and a new born. It's tiring! And I am especially mardy about the publicness of motherhood. So bite me! My children will most likely lavish you with giggles and smiles, you really don't need mine

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 21:25:40

I probably would bite you to be honest.

ILovePonyo Mon 23-Sep-13 21:29:02

I used to love people smiling at dd and telling me how cute she was when she was a baby. Now she's 2 and a half and it doesn't happen nearly as much sad

Op I agree with the person that said keep smiling at babies, maybe the mum was just having a crap day.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 21:29:30

but sparkly do your kids not pick up on your general misery? It sounds so oppresive

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 21:30:24

Your comment made me laugh, Squoosh. Please don't ruin my hard ass rep

Fakebook Mon 23-Sep-13 21:30:37

I worry on the days DS doesn't get a smile or get told he's cute when out in shops.

My favourite place are the lifts in M&S. Always get a crowd of nice old ladies telling me how beautiful my children are. It's a good ego boost.

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 21:35:00

<hands Sparkly flick knife to aid air of general bad assery>

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 21:49:09

Seriously, Betsy, no. I JUST DON'T NECESSARILY SMILE AT PEOPLE WHO'VE SMILED AT MY BABY. I don't see why I have to? The baby and the boy get loads of smiles, they even get encouraging smiles off me when being sociable with people I'm breezily ignoring. It's almost a kindness, really, have you seen the way people gurn at babies? I just take issue with the idea that I have a social obligation to interact with people who've decided to interact with my baby

Goldenbear Mon 23-Sep-13 21:50:56

OP, you have contradicted yourself though- people are strange for not acknowledging you and your interactions and yet you have a mental blanket policy of not interacting with any child above two! I have a 2.5 year old as well as a 6 year old. I still get many people wanting to interact with my DD, only the other day an old man came up to me in M&S to tell me that DD had the most beautiful hair he had ever seen- obviously I said, 'thanks'. People are always trying to interact with her but unlike DS she is quite serious and shy so I feel I have to apologise for her reaction.

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 21:51:17

Mardiness is btw not misery; it's critical thinking in social situations

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 21:52:11

no I mean generally,you describe yourself with some pride,as mardy several times

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 21:52:47

I was joking -- i thought obviously-- about toddlers..

if thats ok.

BetsyBidwell Mon 23-Sep-13 21:53:19

but yes 1 year olds i find insufferably cute. Unless snotty or crying

NotAsTired Mon 23-Sep-13 21:57:48

See, I always smile back when someone interacts with my DS. He is now 5. I think he is adorable and I love it when others think he is too.

cocolepew Mon 23-Sep-13 22:08:07

When DD1 was younger I was walking around Sainsburys and 7, count them 7 people stopped me to tell me how lovely she was. Not only did I smile at them I practically hugged them.

Sparklyboots Mon 23-Sep-13 23:39:14

Well, like I said, mardiness is not misery. I'm not smiley and solicitous. I don't like the small talk, and hate getting dragged into discussion s about whether she's "good" (all babies are, but that's not what you mean), or does she sleep through (such a violent question to ask, just check out, like a million postnatal rants on this one)) or if she's a boy or a girl (reifing gender as the most important social category in front of my two year old) or saying how beautiful she is (again flagging the importance of surface over substance for my 2 year old). So, imagine you've said one of these things in a friendly way, and I've responded as above. That's when you realise I'm a mardy fucker and wish I'd stick to my usual tactic of AVOIDING THE INTERACTION.

Ah, OP YANBU - but today somebody - or several somebodies - were getting DD's (1 yr) very best smile but I could not for the life of me work out who that was so couldn't acknowledge! I always appreciate anyone who takes time out to interact with her though.

PoppyAmex Tue 24-Sep-13 09:10:01

"Poppy I tell anyone I meet with a child what lovely eyes he/she has. Whether it's true or not. Gives me a cheap thrill"

grin

James you'd still get my brightest smile. I'm easily pleased.

rattlemehearties Tue 24-Sep-13 09:45:20

Was this in south west London OP?

Personally I usually see the interaction as between the stranger and the baby, I feel self conscious about smiling back at the stranger myself. I'm with sparkle on this I'm afraid.

candycoatedwaterdrops Tue 24-Sep-13 15:58:56

Some of you are right miserable gits. In other countries, it's considered normal to smile at randomers or just say hi but here, you're often met with a glare. I was once looking at a lady on the train and she said "what are you looking at?" and I said I adored her outfit, it was so lovely and she got all flustered. I get aimless chit chit on the 8.05 into Kings Cross isn't always wanted but just generally, people are so wrapped up in their own lives. I wish we could all slow down a bit.

I don't get too narked if someone glares at me, I assume it's a bad day or they're feeling rough or had some bad news but I do think that overall, we are a miserable bunch of arses. grin

JamieandtheMagicTorch Tue 24-Sep-13 16:40:28

Sparkly

I can sort see where you are coming from right now, in that I remember that having a toddler and a baby means you are permanently tired and having physical and emotional demands on you. So I can sort of see that you don't want to be "made" to interact.

BetsyBidwell Tue 24-Sep-13 16:53:28

Sparkly. You sound Hard bloody Work

Sparklyboots Tue 24-Sep-13 22:05:22

I am hard work, that we can agree on. But worth the effort, I like to think.

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