To be Happy I do not have to worry about Christmas...Because I married jewish?

(91 Posts)
Chickensoupyum Mon 23-Sep-13 13:23:58

That's all really grin

Tee2072 Mon 23-Sep-13 13:25:04

I'm Jewish. I still do Christmas.

So you'll be celebrating Chanukah, then?

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 23-Sep-13 13:25:52

Don't you have to worry about Hanukah instead?

nicename Mon 23-Sep-13 13:25:55

No reason not to have chrimbo. Is it banned in your household then? Bah Humbug.

FeliciaDoolittle Mon 23-Sep-13 13:28:18

I'm atheist. I do Christmas. I see it as more of a cultural thing than a religious day.

howardbear Mon 23-Sep-13 13:29:20

What is there to worry about? Christmas is supposed to be fun!!

twistyfeet Mon 23-Sep-13 13:30:15

I'm jewish but we still do a 'watch TV and stuff your face day' on the 25th. We just dont do presents. And surely you do all the other 37 million jewish festivals with required giant meals and visiting?

Chickensoupyum Mon 23-Sep-13 13:30:47

What I mean it's I do not have to worry about all the 'which house (set of grandparents), presents (too expensive, too cheap), food (who is going to cook), etc.' I see my friends have to deal with.

I think I have been on musmnet for too long, soon you will all see the christmas related arguments in YABU.

Tee2072 You probably won't have the problems I have just mentioned above.

LeMousquetaire Chanukah cannot be compared to Christmas. Passover would be more like to Christmas I think.

Feminine Mon 23-Sep-13 13:32:04

I can't form an opinion either way.

CircassianLeyla Mon 23-Sep-13 13:32:47

There is plenty of holidays and whatnot that you do have to be bothered with isn't there in Judaism. We are Muslim and Christmas is a big deal in this house from a cultural perspective.

FrigginRexManningDay Mon 23-Sep-13 13:33:35

Well I suppose you can celebrate the festival but just leave out the dinner,gifting etc.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 23-Sep-13 13:37:41

You still have a lot of festivals to be worried about. Which food will be replaced with do I have the right food? You will still exchange presents, and all gather in someone house with the right appropriateness about everything, sometime.

Quangle Mon 23-Sep-13 13:37:55

I know where you are coming from although we are atheists! We do Christmas in a big way in my family and increasingly it's a chore because it's soooo much work. I would quite like to opt out and fly to Mauritius for the week or something - but it's a huge tradition for us and I suppose I want the DCs to have the Christmases I had so I've only got myself to blame really.

scrummummy Mon 23-Sep-13 13:39:06

we are Jewish we do Xmas as in 1 present from Santa but Hanukkah is still ££ as we do a present every day ie 8 x barbie for each dd .
but I do agree no faffing about where to go and eating turkey. but as we've had rosh hashanah, yom Kippur and sukkot all in the last 3 weeks I'm a bit festivaled out at the moment. but I love Hanukkah grin

Tee2072 Mon 23-Sep-13 13:43:49

I have no idea what you're talking about. You've obviously never sorted who is doin first night of Seder or where you're going to break fast.

Also, my husband is not Jewish.

I'm Jewish, DH isn't.

We celebrate both Christmas and Hanukkah, I, the Jew, go crazy for Christmas. So if they fall at the same time we often shuffle celebrations around a bit. I know lots of jews who celebrated both, and I'd consider us unlucky not to, so rather you than me.

You aren't dong Hanukkah how I like it done if it isn't a massive deal for you (and I do think it is comparable to Christmas-presents, games ad family time which invariably involves feeding them).

You also must be yet to encounter Pesach and the drama that is the Seder Table.

Or your MIL is dead?

TickledOnion Mon 23-Sep-13 13:53:41

Christmas is nothing compared to a Seder for 30 people where you've had to clean the house from top to bottom, swap your entire kitchen over and had a last minute trip to ikea as you only have 26 glasses and your sieve has gone missing and a mouse decided to move in to the plastic box that was full of leftover food from last year while it was stored in the loft. And then you find out that your aunt and uncle have taken offence at not being invited personally and decided to go somewhere else.

Yama Mon 23-Sep-13 13:56:48

I am 37 and have to say that I have never worried about Christmas. I have only ever looked forward to it with a childlike glee.

Christmas is at my house. All welcome. Dh and I are good cooks so no big deal. I'm excited already.

sonlypuppyfat Mon 23-Sep-13 14:02:55

I'm a Christian I love Jesus more than anything he is my Lord but I don't care who celebrates Christmas why people make such an issue about it I don't know. Just use it as a day to celebrate with your families!

HomeHelpMeGawd Mon 23-Sep-13 14:07:22

What?! You think making latkes is easy??

LaRegina Mon 23-Sep-13 14:13:42

YABU because I love Christmas; and all the hassle, schmaltz' overeating and overspending that goes with it smile

KatyPutTheCuttleOn Mon 23-Sep-13 14:14:22

I'm an atheist as well, we'll still be celebrating Xmas. If that makes me a hypocrite then so be it; it's a lovely time regardless.

Latara Mon 23-Sep-13 14:18:16

I'm trying to start enjoying Christmas... I've decided it's Christmas at mine this year If i'm not down to work.

Latara Mon 23-Sep-13 14:19:18

Sorry I meant to say, YANBU anyway.

YouTheCat Mon 23-Sep-13 14:25:30

I'm an atheist and love Christmas.

But I'm beginning to think I should encompass all faiths, just to be fair, and celebrate everything.

One big party! grin

candycoatedwaterdrops Mon 23-Sep-13 14:40:15

I'm Jewish, we do Chanukah and Christmas. As children, we got small presents on each night of a Chanukah and one big present on Christmas day. There is loads of 'discussion' (like Tee said) about which sent of grandparents to go to on first night Seder or to light the candles on Chanukah. This year, there was nearly a family riot because my sister and I chose to spend Rosh Hashana with our mum's side and not our dad's, lots of guilt and "this is what your recently deceased grandpa would have wanted". Honestly, it's chaos. I love it really sometimes.

Tee2072 Mon 23-Sep-13 14:45:05

I got away from it candycoated by moving to Belfast. grin

twistyfeet Mon 23-Sep-13 14:54:56

lol at the Seder table drama. It's already on my mind grin

DidoTheDodo Mon 23-Sep-13 14:56:56

I'm a Christian and am jolly glad I DO have Christmas to "worry" about!
Even though I actually don't like the part/presents/family/food part of it. The spiritual significance and renewal is good enough for me.

ashleysilver Mon 23-Sep-13 15:13:00

YANBU I'm Jewish and I feel the same. I can bypass all of that stuff, I feel no obligation. We don't do anything at home on the day, just watch tv and eat mince pies.

SamG76 Mon 23-Sep-13 15:16:24

We try to go the whole festive period without mentioning anything Xmas related. There's a family forfeit system in place for anyone who does!

HarderToKidnap Mon 23-Sep-13 15:19:53

Christmas-loving Jew here. It's my favourite festival as I don't have to go to shul for it.

I'm Jewish and we celebrate 'Christmas' (or rather, it's more her cultural heritage and it's fun) too. It's extra low key, but we still have a tree, some presents and a nice meal.

candycoatedwaterdrops Mon 23-Sep-13 15:34:09

My maternal grandparents fuck off to their holiday home in Israel for the main festivals to avoid the drama. See, older does mean wiser! wink

SorrelForbes Mon 23-Sep-13 15:34:55

I'm Jewish, Dh isn't. We sort of do both but really any celebration is just a cultural thing. I'll probably go to Shul and DH will stay home with the DSC and eat!

FlapJackFlossie Mon 23-Sep-13 15:42:13

Any more smug posts, OP ??? hmm

SecretWitch Mon 23-Sep-13 15:49:24

Convert here. My oldest children are Catholic, my husband, and my youngest dd are Jewish. We celebrate everything. We tend to be very low key though so spin the dreidel, decorate the tree, eat latkes all at the same time..

Mimishimi Mon 23-Sep-13 22:44:54

Don't you still have your own side of the family to buy presents for and will be expected to attend their events? Hope you have fun throwing out/cleaning out every bit of grain from your house before Passover each year. Every religion has tiresome aspects to some of it's festivals....it's sad that you don't just see it as a time to hang out with your family.

squoosh Mon 23-Sep-13 22:51:39

I missed the memo saying Christmas had to be stressful and a pain in the ass. It's only as stressful as you want it to be.

I'd like to be in a multi cultural family, more stuff to celebrate!

sonlypuppyfat Mon 23-Sep-13 22:52:53

All that cleaning must be very stressful.

SconeRhymesWithGone Mon 23-Sep-13 23:03:28

I have enjoyed Christmas more as DH and I have significantly scaled back the festivities over the years.

My favorite holiday is US Thanksgiving; no presents, just food, friends, and family.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Mon 23-Sep-13 23:22:06

I understand OP, it can be very unloading to know you don't have another issue on your plate and quite happy to avoid another conflict. Personally, I gave all of Christmas up when I left home, the peace and release of it was and still remains to be great, quite happy without it and in our own celebrations.

foreverondiet Mon 23-Sep-13 23:34:46

But same discussions on whose house you having Passover Seder with or rosh hashana? Yes Chanukah isn't that significant. My friends who aren't Jewish are amazed as I seem to have a "Christmas" scale festival every few months.... So yabu!!

pippop1 Tue 24-Sep-13 00:08:04

Oy vei! I'm glad I don't Christmas too. We have a family meal as no one is working that day though. We also eat Christmas pudding (veggie one) as it's so yummy and such an easy dessert (if you buy it).

DS2's friend asked him round for christmas as she felt sorry for him. He enjoyed it I think.

FairPhyllis Tue 24-Sep-13 00:35:46

Is going to a Chinese restaurant or getting Chinese takeaway at Christmas a thing for Jews in Britain? I ask because all my US Jewish friends have always told me that this is basically the Christmas tradition for Jews in the US now.

The family aspects of Christmas have strangely become less important to me since I became a Christian - I feel like it is mainly atheists, agnostics and the vaguely spiritual who get really het up about it being a family event. I suppose if the family gathering is the main event of the day for you there is more pressure to have the Perfect Family Day. I don't really care about that side of it now as long as I can find somewhere I can go to mass.

OP I can't imagine that getting ready for Passover is any less stressful than getting ready for Christmas - and at least the shops won't be blaring seasonal music at you while you're doing it.

AdoraBell Tue 24-Sep-13 00:44:34

I don't have to worry about Christmas because I'm not much of a people pleasergrin

Catkinsthecatinthehat Tue 24-Sep-13 00:47:36

A colleague is Catholic and married to an American Jew. They do Thanksgiving, Chanukah, Christmas (twice - it's his second marriage so he does Christmas dinner with his wife and then the kids come round and they do it again on Boxing Day) and New Year. In January he does Weightwatchers....

Morloth Tue 24-Sep-13 00:52:22

I am a non-discriminatory celebrator.

As a member of a multi-cultural family there is always a reason to have a party/festival.

Is most excellent.

kingbeat23 Tue 24-Sep-13 00:54:45

I'm Jewish. We do Christmas. The only things we don't do is go to church. We had all the squabbles about whose house to go to (split families - 4 sets of grandparents for my siblings) and more.

As PPs have said you have more festivals to cope with too. 8 days of Chanukah, Purim, Pesach and all the other ones.

I like Christmas.

raisah Tue 24-Sep-13 01:07:44

My family are muslim & we don't officially celebrate xmas but it is the only day we are off together so we usually visit or host. It is nice to have a none christmassy christmas without the faff. I do make a big deal out of Eid so my dc know that is our main celebrations but at 2 &4 they just want presents & they think santa is my dad! Also I have a few none muslim sils now so I do buy them gifts etc.

ErrorError Tue 24-Sep-13 01:42:08

I'm a nothing and I do see Christmas as a cultural celebration too, rather than as a religious one. I like the idea of the perfect Christmas family reunion you see on TV. Everyone doing charades round an open fire, stuffing faces til we're belly up and watching schmaltzy feel-good films all day.

However, the reality in the Error household is a bit more grim. I dislike the enforced merriment, the "gather round and lets take it in turns to open presents in a circle so everyone can see your reaction." The stressy build up to the day, and panic about being too broke to get presents because I stupidly bought my car in a November so that's when my insurance goes out. DSis has also been consistently hungover every Christmas Day for the last 10 years, and we can't start the proceedings without her so there's a lot of just sitting around. Plus I have always hated turkey, and the silly hats that flop down in front of your eyes, but you have to keep them on all through dinner or you'll be labelled the unco-operative miserable git who ruined Christmas!

I would love a Christmas where I could just do exactly what I wanted. Slob around in PJs all day, have my choice of telly, not have to pretend to look happy if I don't particularly feel it. I used to wish I was the kid in Home Alone. grin

raisah Tue 24-Sep-13 01:52:16

ErrorError turkey/chicken usually marinated in a tandoori sauce with nice pilau rice & lightly seasoned seasonal veg is the wsy to go! Thats xmas lunch in our house with a nice m&s pud all put on a buffet table with an open door policy for all & no formality. It takes the pressure off, you can watch tv if you want, play games or chat. No presents to open & no 'but you haven't been invited so you have to sit in the front room while we eat crap' that you often read on here.

MiniMonty Tue 24-Sep-13 02:02:37

Before I moved out of London I had a lot of Jewish friends and I lived it up at all those festivals (and the Jews have a lot of festivals by the way). They came and partied with me at Christmas and Easter (and any other excuse we could find for a bash and a knees up). Now I live in Birmingham (seems like a small Jewish community up here) but there are loads of Hindus and Sikhs and a few Muslims knocking around and guess what - we all do Christmas and Divali and all the rest. In my son's year two class there are eight nationalities split over 20 kids and who knows how many religions. Its a riot. There's a festival every bloody day if you want to look for them. Bastille day is good fun (one French kid in the class). Celebrate the storming of the prison in 1789 - it's a July thing.
Burns night is a laugh (no Scottish kids or parents but we do it anyway).

Do we really think that Jesus was born to perfectly coincide with the pagan winter festival?
No. Only someone who's never seen a history book believes that.
It's called Christmas these days (and so what) but we've been having a banging party around the end of December for thousands of years. You'll notice the Christians have hi-jacked the spring fertility festival too. They call it Easter (and so what) we get a day or two off work and if it's sunny there's a BBQ next door. Excellent.

The point is to take every chance you can to hang out with your family friends and neighbours while laughing, flirting and being embarrassed that your kids behave the way they sometimes do.

If there is a God, I think he/she/it would be getting down at the party where ever it was and for whatever excuse.

BadLad Tue 24-Sep-13 03:05:13

Christmas is brilliant. Presents, delicious food, the family getting together, presents, games, champers before lunch, exchanging presents, tunelessly singing carols. More power to you if you are happy not to have to bother with it, but I absolutely love it, so I will always see people who don't have a massive Christmas as people who are missing out.

StupidFlanders Tue 24-Sep-13 03:27:52

*I am a non-discriminatory celebrator.

As a member of a multi-cultural family there is always a reason to have a party/festival.

Is most excellent.*

Agree with Morloth! I think some of these Jewish celebrations are sounding great- wish I knew more about them!

wannabestressfree Tue 24-Sep-13 04:24:42

As a child I had a book 'atlas of the Jewish world' and was determined to become a Jew...... smile

Pawprint Tue 24-Sep-13 04:35:07

Not a fan of Christmas - I don't really know why. You either like it or you don't, really. If I didn't have a child I would not celebrate it.

sashh Tue 24-Sep-13 05:30:10

I'd like to be in a multi cultural family, more stuff to celebrate!

This is why I like teaching the 'equality and diversity' units - always something to celebrate in a minor way - so red envelopes with chocolate coins.

As for Xmas itself - I just ignore it.

merrymouse Tue 24-Sep-13 05:38:12

I thought OP clarified that there would be no conflict about who to spend Christmas with as ILs don't celebrate it, not that there would be no Xmas or Jewish festivals easier.

coraltoes Tue 24-Sep-13 06:40:11

Would it be pleasant if I wrote "so glad I don't have to worry about yom kippur cos I married catholic?"

No didn't think so. Christmas is still a religious festival for many. Respect for other faiths is multi cultural... Worth remembering that.

perplexedpirate Tue 24-Sep-13 06:47:09

I am brilliant at latkes. I have no interest in Christmas.
I am not Jewish.
Life deals you the hand it deals you. hmmgrin

Great post minimonty smile

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 10:27:01

Please come round and make my latkes perplexedpirate I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuurve them but standing sweatily by hot fat dripping oil everywhere is not my idea of fun. And everyone eats them hot before I get there. muttercomplainetc
grin

FuckyNell Tue 24-Sep-13 12:50:35

So who's going to explain what Seder is then? smile

FairPhyllis Your post made me laugh as taps into a very specific family tradition. Don't know if you read my earlier post, but I'm Jewish, from London, and when I was a child, (and apparently when my parents were children) it was quite traditional for us all to go to China town or Limehouse, depending on the finances and have a chinese on Christmas day.

We used to have a tree and a small stocking each, but my mum and most of the other Jewish mums I knew were absolutely not going to have an extra day of massive cooking, considering it happens so frequently for us anyway so yes we all used to descend on the Chinese restaurants.

Now I cook a proper Christmas dinner, but many of my cousins/extended family do this, and we don't have sausages wrapped in bacon, but we do have spring rolls!

So its not just an American thing!

ashleysilver Tue 24-Sep-13 13:10:13

The seder is a special ceremonial meal that Jews have at Passover. Seder means order in Hebrew and you are supposed to do things in a certain order. You eat special foods, participate in little rituals and tell the biblical story of the Hebrew slaves leaving Egypt.

It's a big family meal with special foods. For many Jews Passover their favourite festival (and we have lots of festivals grin) and one of the most widely observed.

And FuckyNell, Seder is the start of the Passover/Pesach festival, you have a special dinner 'The Seder Table' and you're meant to, as a family do the story of exodus.

Its much quicker for you just to read this or google yourself to death.

FantasticDay Tue 24-Sep-13 13:17:56

Now, my (agnostic) DH and me (Unitarian Christian) and kids (one of each) really look forward to Christmas hosted by Moslem (convert) DBil and Moslem (lifelong) Dsis and their (Moslem) kids. They really push the boat out. Lunch with all the trimmings, games, deccies. It's boss!

FuckyNell Tue 24-Sep-13 13:23:34

Toda grin

FairPhyllis Tue 24-Sep-13 13:27:24

Tig Ahhhh I feel vindicated now. I wasn't sure if the Chinese/Jewish Christmas might be a specific phenomenon limited to middle-class Jewish New Yorkers/New Jerseyites.

The origins of it were explained to me thus: neither Jewish nor Chinese people are particularly fussed about Christmas on the whole. There are a lot of Chinese restaurants, which nobody else wants to go to on Christmas Day. Nobody Jewish wants to cook for yet another festival. Thus there is a mutually beneficial business opportunity, and as long as you don't order pork rolls you can kid yourself the food is kosher.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Tue 24-Sep-13 13:52:35

That's pretty much the origins Fair, it's spread from what is now California (where the Chinese originally emigrated to and were the main builder of infrastructure in that area) and due to discriminatory laws the two groups were often pushed to live near each other away from the elite. They were also both groups that were early into owning entertainment houses and cinemas (which is why the tradition in many areas of the States is to go to the movies and eat Chinese on the 25th). I did it with friends when I still lived in the States, miss it a bit when I moved over here but we just do tend to do a movie day at our house to ignore the bad TV grin.

Well we certainly weren't middle class although as a family we're not particularly devout so that probably had an influence. Really it was the only time we used to go to a restaurant. Maybe if we hadn't lived so close to Chinatown it would have been different but nope the Chinese was definitely popular with our family and friends.

I do remember there always being the no pork no prawns discussion every year which was always fun. Especially considering the way in which my mother attacks M&S prawn sandwiches like they're going out of fashion.

My friends that live in NYC tell me they got to a kosher Chinese so think its much more of a thing over there.

SamG76 Tue 24-Sep-13 13:57:37

Coraltoes - I don't think there was any intention to offend. There's a old joke about about a Jewish couple who convert to Christianity. A bit later the husband tells his wife that he thinks they've made a mistake, and they ought to go back to being Jewish. "Are you mad?", she screams, "at least wait until after Passover!"

Also I meant to say that I think they were really the only restaurants open that weren't doing Christmas dinner as well.

My mother would not have seen been seen dead in a restaurant eating Christmas dinner. I don't know if that was even available back then, was not something that would have been on my radar, but people do go out for their Christmas dinner now. The pubs used to be open but that's where my mum and dad went to escape from us, and we wouldn't have been allowed in anyway I don't think.

DP is Jewish, I am not. We do Seder, Rosh Hashanah etc with his family and Christmas and Easter with my family. I make better latkes than he does (and a kugel which is so giid I am now craving it and an amazing honey cake for Rosh hashanah). I did the first night of Hanukkah once but cooked Sephardi food to avoid comparison to aunties and grandmas! It saves the annual debate on which side of the family to visit. Our first baby is due during Hanukkah which I think is lovely and will bring him/her up to acknowledge both sides his/her heritage. We have a hanukkiah and a tree and a tree, a driedl and stockings. We are also both atheists so it is more about good food, family and cultural heritage for us. I like the variety.

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 14:23:02

you know what I want. Someone to come clean the house of chametz before passover. (and then cook)

Christmas is nothing compared to a Seder for 30 people where you've had to clean the house from top to bottom, swap your entire kitchen over and had a last minute trip to ikea as you only have 26 glasses and your sieve has gone missing and a mouse decided to move in to the plastic box that was full of leftover food from last year while it was stored in the loft.

Ahem..I have a question? why do you have to swap the kitchen over and eat last year's food? Wont it have gone a bit mouldy?

HarderToKidnap Tue 24-Sep-13 14:48:37

You swap the kitchen over because there might be some chametz left, in the fridge or cooker or whatever. I've only known very observant Jews to do it though. I must admit I'm at a loss to think what the leftover food might be...

HomeHelpMeGawd Tue 24-Sep-13 17:58:36

Talking of Jews and Chinese food, does anyone remember a restaurant called Cohen and Wong? 'twas in central London, and we went there annually when I was a kid. An extraordinary place!

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 19:20:42

Most people just have a different set of plates.saucepans/utensils etc for pesach. Not fridges and cookers. Those you make kosher for passover which requires cleaning the entire kitchen to within an inch of its life to make sure not a molecule of chametz is left. Because if you miss a single crumb you can be sure someone will spot it!
Plus the rest of the house.
I have saved kosher for passover matzoh. It lasts for all eternity because not even mice will eat it grin

sonlypuppyfat Tue 24-Sep-13 19:58:06

Sorry if I sound stupid but what is the reasoning behind the two sets of crockery

HarderToKidnap Tue 24-Sep-13 20:00:39

Oh yes, matzos! Wouldn't happen in here because DH would die before he allowed an uneaten matzo to leave the room.

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 20:23:14

oh, in traditional homes its 4 sets. You would have a set for dairy and a set for meat dishes and never the twain shall meet.
Then, because those dishes have been in contact with chametz (leavened foods) they are not considered 'kosher for passover' so observant jews would have a meat and dairy set for passover as well. We dont eat meat so dont have to worry about mixing meat and dairy things but many friends have labelled cupboards and drawers.

And Matzoh's make superb frisbies wink

sonlypuppyfat Tue 24-Sep-13 21:08:20

I bet you have massive kitchens!

twistyfeet Tue 24-Sep-13 21:44:55

sadly no

sonlypuppyfat Tue 24-Sep-13 21:47:57

It all seems so complicated do you just grow up knowing what to do, I sound really dim don't I. Do you have lessons in what to do, is it more your faith that you do it or its more a tradition?

Sonlypuppyfat, it's a bit of a combination, but lots of these rules depend on the level of observance in the family and each individual families habits.

From the very observant to my family, who are hardly observant at all, nearly every family I know has slightly little ways of doing things. Most people just learn it as they go along.

DENMAN03 Tue 24-Sep-13 21:58:32

Christmas is a fantastic time in my family! We all look forward to it and celebrate in a very traditional way, with presents, food and great family time. I love it and would hate to have to go through the whole of winter without anything to look forward to. It brings us all together and is very special, even though I am now in my 40's! The magic has never really gone.

AdventureTed Tue 24-Sep-13 22:42:40

I love Christmas, and my family do too. It is a magical time of the year.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Wed 25-Sep-13 09:22:14

There are dozens of ways to enjoy and [[ http://seetobe.tumblr.com/post/38226983188/11-winter-holidays-you-might-not-know-about celebrate in the winter without Christmas]]. I mean seriously, New Years is just a week later and even in many Christian cultures is a far bigger celebration, the mega focused Xmas celebration is a very Anglo-thing.

I know people love it, but the concept that those of us who don't enjoy it and/or don't do it have nothing to look forward to or enjoy or have no magical times in our year is quite a frustration. Most others have several and spread the joy throughout the year.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy Wed 25-Sep-13 09:22:33

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